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Quote from: khaled0111 on March 06, 2026, 11:40:03 PM

^^
That�s why we need to hear from both parties and make sure we are fully informed about all the details before making a judgment.

Unfortunately, I have noticed that many users immediately side with the accuser (the user) without waiting for the other party to present its side of the story and what usually makes things even worse is the accused party (the casino) remaining silent.
Besides, many members lack the necessary experience to make an informed judgment. So it�s better to wait for more experienced members to give their stance, especially on complicated cases.

I need you to clarify me on something, what's the fate of the accuser if they're found guilty of lying against a casino (the accused) do they go unpunished if found guilty of lying or cheating a casino then try to drag them here?
I asked because most casinos that are fraudulent have been banned from this forum whereas I've not come across any punishment for people who play the victims against casinos whereas they're the ones at fault.

Quote from: khaled0111 on March 02, 2026, 11:33:45 PM

Quote from: Kavelj22 on March 02, 2026, 09:01:57 PM

I activated the second code and it shows that the bonus is processing. However I received no notification, nor the bonus credited to the balance. Opening the Aviamaster, the balance is always zero. It's strange that everyone is getting a different bonus status.

I had almost the same experience. After entering the promo code it said that the 150 free spins were credited, or something like that.
When I opened the game, the balance was zero also, but this is not supposed to be a problem as that�s supposed to be the real balance which is actually zero.
The problem is that I couldn�t place any bet and the game seems to be broken (issues connecting to server!). Do you get the same error message when you click on the spin button?

As the balance is zero, only fun mode can be used. By trying to play, i get the same 204 error failure to connect to servers. Note that I am using the casino in the google navigator on mobile device, not the casino mobile app. Also that I activated both promo codes which seems to be both activated. I can't tell if this is normal or another error. Anyway I am not trying to abuse the system.

Look at all replies now. Everybody is talking about the bonus and wagering. The casino is well designed but lacks promotion to attract traffic from bitcointalk community. Lunching signature campaign with a promising bonus problem (with logic wagering requirement), usually for first deposit have always been a good tactic.

Vegabet, the concurrence is significantly increasing if you want to win a share from this market. It wouldn't be easy to compete with active casinos in bitcointalk if you don't setup a precise strategy.

Quote from: khaled0111 on Today at 10:37:26 PM

I can�t really argue about how accurate this is since you claim to be a support agent at Duel, so you are supposed to have more information about this case than us.
However, the main reason why almost all casinos do not allow users to withdraw deposited funds if they don�t place any bets (they usually impose a 1x wagering requirement) is to prevent money laundering. It�s quite normal to be asked to pass kyc if you make a deposit then immediately request a withdrawal as doing so triggers suspicion.

It's accurate here, sportsbook limit abusing is really annoying and we have our ways to combat this. Not going through the wager 1x through isn't something Duel would KYC for. Duel really tries to be the purest gambling online and if someone hits a big win on their first spin, we're not going to make them continue gambling. The entire ethos of Duel is doing away with all the bullshit other casinos do that are super sketchy.

I can confidently say that if someone gets KYC'd on Duel it's 99.999% a sports issue. It's by far the fairest casino online.

Quote from: khaled0111 on Today at 08:59:56 PM

Sorry, I didn�t follow this case carefully. Was it confirmed that the delay was caused because the deposit was sent from an exchange wallet? Most of the recent comments to suggest so, but when I re-read the replies from the user in question, I couldn�t see anything that indicates that.
Besides, it doesn�t seem like betpanda askd for proof or source of funds or anything like that. So, I doubt this is what happened here.

I didn�t read all of that, I think it�s just speculation. But I agree with the suggestion above. We shouldn�t send transactions directly from exchanges to casinos or the other way around. Licensed casinos usually have tagged wallets, so it�s easy to identify gambling-related transfers, especially if exchanges are strict about not allowing gambling funds.

Still, we need an update from the user who made the complaint so we can verify whether our suspicion is correct.

Quote from: MainIbem on Today at 02:31:03 PM

Quote from: khaled0111 on March 01, 2026, 11:59:42 PM

Quote from: Barikui1 on March 01, 2026, 06:47:52 PM

Take a look at your highlighted statement again and the first paragraph, don't you think that you are contradicting yourself?

I don�t see much contradiction in what he said, to be honest.
In the first sentence, he talked about casinos that ask for kyc when they suspect the user is cheating, but in the second sentence, he talked about casinos that enforce identity verification before withdrawals (for all users), even if there is no suspicion.
So, he was basically trying to highlight how two casinos that promote themselves as non-kyc can operate differently.

Yeah they have their different mode of operation but I prefer a casino that's very transparent and act accordingly to their TOS not the ones that would claim to be KYC free but later request for it even when a customer didn't cheat or go against their TOS just because maybe the person won a huge offer.

Casino must be trasparent that players will trust it.
Transparent is very important for more trust of players to increase the liquidity of casino.

Quote from: khaled0111 on Today at 07:58:26 PM

However, when I opened the "Avia Master" game by Bgaming, I got an error message saying "Sorry, there was an error while communication with casino server". I tried to reload the game multiple times, but to no avail. Anyone else is facing this problem?

I activated the second code and it shows that the bonus is processing. However I received no notification, nor the bonus credited to the balance. Opening the Aviamaster, the balance is always zero. It's strange that everyone is getting a different bonus status.

About the language, it seems that everybody got the language by default according to his geo localisation. It's english by default for me because my native language (arabic) is not yet supported. However I only see comments about Russian language by default but not any other language in the supported list.

I also noticed that Trump Coin is among the supported cryptocurrencies. This is the first time I see a casino supporting it. Well done Trump LoL Cheesy

Quote from: khaled0111 on March 01, 2026, 11:59:42 PM

Quote from: Barikui1 on March 01, 2026, 06:47:52 PM

Take a look at your highlighted statement again and the first paragraph, don't you think that you are contradicting yourself?

I don�t see much contradiction in what he said, to be honest.
In the first sentence, he talked about casinos that ask for kyc when they suspect the user is cheating, but in the second sentence, he talked about casinos that enforce identity verification before withdrawals (for all users), even if there is no suspicion.
So, he was basically trying to highlight how two casinos that promote themselves as non-kyc can operate differently.

Yeah they have their different mode of operation but I prefer a casino that's very transparent and act accordingly to their TOS not the ones that would claim to be KYC free but later request for it even when a customer didn't cheat or go against their TOS just because maybe the person won a huge offer.

Quote from: khaled0111 on March 01, 2026, 11:59:42 PM

Quote from: Barikui1 on March 01, 2026, 06:47:52 PM

Take a look at your highlighted statement again and the first paragraph, don't you think that you are contradicting yourself?

I don�t see much contradiction in what he said, to be honest.
In the first sentence, he talked about casinos that ask for kyc when they suspect the user is cheating, but in the second sentence, he talked about casinos that enforce identity verification before withdrawals (for all users), even if there is no suspicion.
So, he was basically trying to highlight how two casinos that promote themselves as non-kyc can operate differently.

All regulated casinos have KYC because not only casinos have to pay taxes but also must pay taxes the gamblers that wins money in casino.
But nobody likes to pay taxes, not players not casinos.

Quote from: Dave1 on Today at 12:54:48 AM

Quote from: khaled0111 on March 01, 2026, 11:38:01 PM

Quote from: BABY SHOES on March 01, 2026, 12:22:41 PM

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It�s common for casinos and other platforms to face technical and various kinds of issues from time to time. What really makes the difference is how the casino deals with these issues. Reputable ones will fix them as soon as they notice them, which is what happened here. Happy you got refunded, btw.
I also understand that there are some details that customer support can�t disclose publicly (there might be a reason why they couldn�t explain what happened). However, they should have told you whether the issue was resolved once and for all or not.

Yeah, there could be reasons that they can divulge in public, maybe they have this proprietary things with their tools and maybe agreed with the software company not to tell anyone specially about technical behind is.

As for customer support, they are the lowest of the tier, so they pay grade could have been in certain levels. So they can't just give us the correct reason and probably just be answering base on what it is given to them by the next level.

Any casino may encounter technical problems, but such problems are more frequent with crypto in which integrations and backend systems are more complicated. It is the reaction of the casino that is important. The refund, in this case, is a good development and demonstrates that they have been responsible. Meanwhile, on the one hand, the customer support might not be aware of all technical specifics; at the same time, the information about whether the problem is fully fixed should be available to them to ensure the transparency and confidence of the user.

Quote from: khaled0111 on March 01, 2026, 11:38:01 PM

Quote from: BABY SHOES on March 01, 2026, 12:22:41 PM

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It�s common for casinos and other platforms to face technical and various kinds of issues from time to time. What really makes the difference is how the casino deals with these issues. Reputable ones will fix them as soon as they notice them, which is what happened here. Happy you got refunded, btw.
I also understand that there are some details that customer support can�t disclose publicly (there might be a reason why they couldn�t explain what happened). However, they should have told you whether the issue was resolved once and for all or not.

Yeah, there could be reasons that they can divulge in public, maybe they have this proprietary things with their tools and maybe agreed with the software company not to tell anyone specially about technical behind is.

As for customer support, they are the lowest of the tier, so they pay grade could have been in certain levels. So they can't just give us the correct reason and probably just be answering base on what it is given to them by the next level.

Quote from: khaled0111 on Today at 08:56:59 PM

Quote from: suzanne5223 on Today at 08:33:11 PM

That means it will be an interesting game for some gamblers, especially the greed one, because it will show greedy gamblers the level of their greed and how to learn from their mistake. However, it is not for all greedy gamblers, though, as the game can also lead to chasing losses and spending excessive time on the game.

Sorry, but I didn�t get your point here. Why do you think this game in particular would be more interesting to greedy gamblers?
Do you believe this is because of the progressive multiplier?
If so, then that makes sense as the multiplier increases exponentially after each step (each time the chicken jumps), which might be attractive to those who chase high multipliers (usually those who you described as greedy gamblers).

That's correct. I believe the progressive multiplier involved in the game each time the chicken jumps successfully without getting hit, which will be so inviting for gamblers, and also increases the level of gamblers interest in the game, while the lesson involved when the chicken gets hit will create a form of benefit and self awareness about greed correction.

Quote from: khaled0111 on February 28, 2026, 09:59:32 PM

Quote from: hd49728 on February 27, 2026, 07:04:53 AM

Something like this, how to play with chicken and help it survives on the road with many vehicles and challenge.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eNpmu_T0KzA
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bwoqPzrJ-7A

I just watched the two videos and I'm pretty sure those "techniques" won�t change anything, especially the tip in the first video.
Waiting for a car to pass before jumping won�t increase the chicken�s chances of survival.
This could help if this was a skill-based game, but this game is luck-based. So it doesn�t matter how long you wait or when you jump as the result has already been determined.

It's unbelievable how some people, even when faced with games that depend on luck to win, still delude themselves into thinking they've created a winning strategy. This reminds me of people in my country who claimed to have a strategy to win at Aviator, and then committed suicide days later because they lost all their money. It's a sad scenario. I know some people in my country who are addicted to gambling and constantly talk about winning strategies. They don't bet on sports, they only play casino games.

Quote from: khaled0111 on February 28, 2026, 11:33:30 PM

Quote from: suzanne5223 on February 28, 2026, 10:32:56 PM

Does it mean whenever the chicken got hitted all what you won when you start the game will be lost?

Yes, that�s correct.
Think of it as a mines game (the same principle). When you hit a mine, you lose the amount you staked (base bet) just like when you try to jump to the next lane and the chicken gets hit by a car (you lose).
So you need to cash out at the right moment (you will win the latest multiplier you have reached). If the chicken gets hit, you lose everything.
It�s also similar to how Tower games work.

Wow.
That means it will be an interesting game for some gamblers, especially the greed one, because it will show greedy gamblers the level of their greed and how to learn from their mistake. However, it is not for all greedy gamblers, though, as the game can also lead to chasing losses and spending excessive time on the game.
I will try the game for fun soon cause i like the concept, which i believe will be good for someone like myself that always satisfied with little wins.

Quote from: letteredhub on Today at 10:49:02 AM

Quote from: Z_MBFM on February 27, 2026, 09:14:23 PM

Quote from: letteredhub on February 27, 2026, 06:52:35 PM

Snip.

This is wrong, I do not believe that football is an unpredictable game. Football is a predictable game, but predictions will not always work....

You're actually the one getting it all wrong mate, by saying always, you're actually implying that every predicted sports bets do play every time.

No, he is not implying that... he believes that football is not an unpredictable game, but then he says that football is predictable, but not all predictions will always work! So it's unpredictable...

As Khaled & Crypto Library said... he is just contradicting himself:

Quote from: khaled0111 on February 27, 2026, 09:59:14 PM

Quote from: Z_MBFM on February 27, 2026, 09:14:23 PM

I do not believe that football is an unpredictable game. Football is a predictable game, but predictions will not always work. Suddenly, a good team can perform badly.

I agree with what Crypto Library said as you seem to be contradicting yourself (unless I misunderstood what you mean by "predictable/unpredictable").

Good teams can perform badly, bad teams can surprise everyone... that's why we gamble, we are trying to predict what will happen.
And that's not so easy to do... that's why casinos are making tons of money while most people lose. If it's easy to predict what will happen, it would be otherwise.

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on Today at 12:47:58 AM

Quote from: khaled0111 on February 28, 2026, 11:33:30 PM

Quote from: suzanne5223 on February 28, 2026, 10:32:56 PM

Does it mean whenever the chicken got hitted all what you won when you start the game will be lost?

Yes, that�s correct.
Think of it as a mines game (the same principle). When you hit a mine, you lose the amount you staked (base bet) just like when you try to jump to the next lane and the chicken gets hit by a car (you lose).
So you need to cash out at the right moment (you will win the latest multiplier you have reached). If the chicken gets hit, you lose everything.
It�s also similar to how Tower games work.

Correct me if I am wrong, but to my simplest understanding, I think this game you are talking about have exactly same concept with Crash which we all know is a casino game that is often about airplane taking off and crashing at some point, and the only duty of the gambler is to set the desired cashout multiplier and stake money on the game before the plan takes off..
While the plan is yet to reach your desired set multiplier and also has not crash, you have the option of cashing out at any other multipliers already achieved while the plan is still flying and yet to reach the multiplier you yourself set.

Many other casinos have rebuilt this game turning the airplane to a car or a bus, or even a human being racing or running on a very busy road with possibilities of getting hit by a car or motorbike and several other obstacles, this is a classic game concept that is truly legendary.

If we look at the basic concept/principle, they (mines, crash, and this chicken game) are basically similar so you are not wrong in this case.
There is also other game with similar concept/principle, usually called by tower game that you can find in some casinos out there.
In 2UP there is also a game namely Pump which is also using similar concept.
As a conclusion, basically some games are basically using similar concept/principle but using different UI/Animation and maybe different payout system.

Quote from: khaled0111 on February 28, 2026, 10:59:50 PM

Quote from: Potato Chips on February 26, 2026, 10:49:41 PM

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I did a quick research and I agree with Haunebu that there don�t seem to be many similarities between betmoco and bet5 (different designs/templates, different domain registration info...). However, this doesn�t necessarily mean they are not related or operated by the same person.
Betmoco will certainly come back under a new name (if they haven�t already done so).
Bet5 is still a new casino, so it�s better to remain cautious until they gain some trust and build a solid reputation before depositing large amounts. Better safe than sorry!

Yes, they can come back in this community with similar or with another name and still go and try to scam again. So right now the community should be attentive of any new casino specially if it run a signature campaign and hire a manager that hasn't had that experience (I'm not blaming him though for accepting the job).

So if there are gamblers that might be depositing huge amount of that new name casino, then don't, don't get attracted with new offers or whatever enticing promotions they have as they could been setting traps.

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on Today at 12:47:58 AM

Quote from: khaled0111 on February 28, 2026, 11:33:30 PM

Yes, that�s correct.
Think of it as a mines game (the same principle). When you hit a mine, you lose the amount you staked (base bet) just like when you try to jump to the next lane and the chicken gets hit by a car (you lose).
So you need to cash out at the right moment (you will win the latest multiplier you have reached). If the chicken gets hit, you lose everything.
It�s also similar to how Tower games work.

Correct me if I am wrong, but to my simplest understanding, I think this game you are talking about have exactly same concept with Crash which we all know is a casino game that is often about airplane taking off and crashing at some point, and the only duty of the gambler is to set the desired cashout multiplier and stake money on the game before the plan takes off..
While the plan is yet to reach your desired set multiplier and also has not crash, you have the option of cashing out at any other multipliers already achieved while the plan is still flying and yet to reach the multiplier you yourself set.

Yes, I think it is the same concept. Although when I play those games, I don't interrupt them. I set the multiplier at the beginning and don't change it. Trying to guess when I have to quit based on intuition, despite having set a multiplier at the beginning, doesn't make sense to me. However, as far as I can see, most people do the opposite.

Quote from: khaled0111 on February 28, 2026, 11:33:30 PM

Quote from: suzanne5223 on February 28, 2026, 10:32:56 PM

Does it mean whenever the chicken got hitted all what you won when you start the game will be lost?

Yes, that�s correct.
Think of it as a mines game (the same principle). When you hit a mine, you lose the amount you staked (base bet) just like when you try to jump to the next lane and the chicken gets hit by a car (you lose).
So you need to cash out at the right moment (you will win the latest multiplier you have reached). If the chicken gets hit, you lose everything.
It�s also similar to how Tower games work.

Correct me if I am wrong, but to my simplest understanding, I think this game you are talking about have exactly same concept with Crash which we all know is a casino game that is often about airplane taking off and crashing at some point, and the only duty of the gambler is to set the desired cashout multiplier and stake money on the game before the plan takes off..
While the plan is yet to reach your desired set multiplier and also has not crash, you have the option of cashing out at any other multipliers already achieved while the plan is still flying and yet to reach the multiplier you yourself set.

Many other casinos have rebuilt this game turning the airplane to a car or a bus, or even a human being racing or running on a very busy road with possibilities of getting hit by a car or motorbike and several other obstacles, this is a classic game concept that is truly legendary.

Quote from: khaled0111 on Today at 11:33:30 PM

Quote from: suzanne5223 on Today at 10:32:56 PM

Does it mean whenever the chicken got hitted all what you won when you start the game will be lost?

Yes, that�s correct.
Think of it as a mines game (the same principle). When you hit a mine, you lose the amount you staked (base bet) just like when you try to jump to the next lane and the chicken gets hit by a car (you lose).
So you need to cash out at the right moment (you will win the latest multiplier you have reached). If the chicken gets hit, you lose everything.
It�s also similar to how Tower games work.

There are so many games that are currently been hosted on casino and most of the games is just funny too. I think with the way you are explaining it, it's like having same similar principles with most of the crash games too like flying of plane and the rest of them. Slot games are just purely based on luck which makes it less stressful too to play and also easier to lose lots of funds that's if you don't have control anyways.

Quote from: khaled0111 on February 27, 2026, 10:59:23 PM

Quote from: Zwei on February 27, 2026, 04:54:27 PM

Quote from: Son Of Blockchain (SOB) on February 27, 2026, 02:27:37 PM

Is it right for non kyc casinos to request kyc from defaulters?

what do you mean by defaulters?

I think by "defaulters" he means scammers/cheaters such as those who try to abuse the casino bonuses (multi-accounters...).
Personally, I believe that casinos that promote themselves as non-kyc should never ask for identity verification, no matter the circumstances. Unfortunately, we all know that this is not how things work in real life.
Some may argue that proven scammers (defaulters) should be deprived from their rights like the right to complain when the casino breaks its own terms or promises.

Yeah that's exactly what I meant, i wasn't active to respond but thanks for helping me out. So you mean anyone can cheat or attempt scam just cause they're using a non kyc casino that shouldn't ask for their personal details when they do so?
Don't you think it's their lose since they could be queried by regulatory bodies if anyone can use their sites or apps for things like money laundering or even try to open multiple accounts which violates their TOS?

Quote from: khaled0111 on February 27, 2026, 09:59:14 PM

Quote from: Z_MBFM on February 27, 2026, 09:14:23 PM

I do not believe that football is an unpredictable game. Football is a predictable game, but predictions will not always work. Suddenly, a good team can perform badly.

I agree with what Crypto Library said as you seem to be contradicting yourself (unless I misunderstood what you mean by "predictable/unpredictable").
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but what I understood from your reply is that it's possible to predict the outcome of certain football matches (strong team vs weak team) with total certainty, right? Well, the odds will certainly be in favour of the stronger team, but that doesn�t mean they will necessarily win.

What I have understood over time with football game fixtures is that, no tournament will fix two clubs if they know that the other has no capacity to beat the one, there is no sure game anywhere as long as football is concerned, let not confuse ourselves. However, we may know likely which clubs can win, which is still under probability until the end of the game so following odds may be a risky thing to do at that point.

So if you Z_MBFM think football is predictable then you will still believe in what's called sure bets which is totally out of this world to believe such pre determined bet exists most especially in international tournaments.

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Quote from: logfiles on February 26, 2026, 09:09:30 PM

That is a bit sad to know. Were you using the support staff from live chat, right? If yes, I suggest you train the email option to write to support (Support@betpanda.io). They might have a better understanding of what's going on vs those live chat guys.
The only challenge is the replies may not be instant

The refund from Betpanda has been made and I received the funds even though I had to wait more than 24 hours, it doesn't matter what is important is that the funds are back.
But I have yet to get a definitive answer as to why my deposits are always not credited, and to date there is no satisfactory answer either from Support@Betpanda.com.

Quote from: notblox1 on February 27, 2026, 07:48:47 PM

Only issue I had was long waiting time to receibe my withdrawal, but I was not in a hurry and I received full amount in the end.

Strangely this is the opposite of me... I got the $25 bitcointalk bonus after completing 1x wager and then made a withdrawal and it was instant, while my deposit was interrupted as described above. Grin

Quote from: khaled0111 on February 27, 2026, 11:40:31 PM

@BABY SHOES, it has been more than 72 hours, now. So, is there any updates regarding your case and have your deposits been credited to your account?
I know this won�t change anything, but you shouldn�t have made a second deposit before the first one was processed. This would only complicate things even more.
This seems to be an isolated case. Are you sure you sent the coins to the correct address? (Just asking so we can exclude this possibility).

All solved...
But I will try depositing with other altcoins and want to know if my deposit still experiences the same thing or different from USDT-BSC deposits.

Quote from: khaled0111 on February 27, 2026, 09:06:35 PM

شكرا اخي اوميغا على مشاركة هذه المنصة معنا.
طالما انها منصة لامركزية و لا تطلب توثيق الهوية فهي منصة تستحق التشجيع اذ تمثل حلا لكثير من مستعملي العملات الرقمية الذين يجدون اشكالات في استعمال بقية المنصات المعروفة.
لم استعمل هذه المنصة للامانة، لكن كنظرة اولى، يبدو استخدامها لتبادل العملات سهلا و لا يتطلب اي خبرة.
نقاط الضعف التي لاحظتها هي قلة عدد العملات المدعومة و على الاغلب هذا عائد لعوائق تقنية. اضافة لذلك، لاحظت عند محاولة تبديل البيتكوين بعملة اخرى فان عنوان الايداع الذي تعطيه المنصة هو عنوان مستعمل و قد استقبل عدد كبير من المعاملات. البعض قد يعتبر هذا نقطة سلبية خاصة بالنسبة لمن يهتمون بخصوصيتهم و لا يرغبون ان ترتبط عناوينهم بعناوين اخرى.

Quote from: Kavelj22 on February 27, 2026, 10:52:10 PM

هذه نقطة غاية في الاهمية و لا تدعم ايضا مبدأ الخدمة في الحفاظ على الخصوصية بما انها لا تطلب توثيق هوية از اي بيانات خاصة يمكن استخدامها للتتبع. اعادة استخدام نفس العنوان مع اكثر من عرض تبادل يظهر من ناحية جانب عدم الاحترافية التقنية، و يظهر من جانب اخر عدم حماية الخصوصية لان ترابط العناوين يمكن ان يثبت ان الشخص قد استخدم منصة خدمات معينة بكل التفاصيل الاخرى المبينة في بيانات المعاملة. بصراحة هذا غريب الى حد ما ان لا تكون الخدمة قادرة على توليد عنوان جديد لكل استخدام. هذا اصبح بديهيا في جميع منصات الخدمات اللامركزية.

قد أكون مخطئا لكن لا أعتقد أن استخدامهم لنفس العنوان في مشكل كبير، خاصة في هذا الوقت مع وجود شركات مثل Arkham intelligence, ChainAnalysis, Elliptic, الخ.

لأنه حتى مع المنصات المركزية، أين يتم اعطائك عنوان واحد (أو أكثر من واحد)، الأموال التي ترسلها، لا يتم ابقائها في ذلك العنوان بل يتم ارساله الى hot الخاصة بالمنصة (و التي تكون عبارة عن عنوان معلوم لجميع الشركات المذكورة أعلاه).

يعني سواء استخدمت Thorchain أو Binance، من المرجح أن أي شركة تريد تتبع تحركاتك سوف تعلم أنك قد أرسلت أموالك لأحدى هذه المنصات.

على أي حال سواء كان هنالك اختلاط مع عناوين 'قامت بمعاملات غير قانونية' أم لا، قد يكون من الأفضل عدم ارسال أموال من الثورشين مباشرة الى المنصات المركزية لأن بعضها قد يعتبر أي منصة لا تقوم بتوثيق الحسابات أو ال KYT ك high risk سواء كانت مركزية أو لا.