Update:
DT 1
     1. 203: HostFat (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 301 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. 11425: gmaxwell (Trust: +13 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (17) 9374 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. 30747: Vod (Trust: +28 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (8) 2522 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. 33156: vapourminer (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 4691 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. 51173: mprep (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (22) 1729 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. 55384: Foxpup (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (14) 2675 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. 64507: philipma1957 (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 10370 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. 78147: Cyrus (Trust: +24 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (20) 2462 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. 84521: Welsh (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (19) 3350 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. 84866: ibminer (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 2541 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. 85033: d5000 (Trust:  neutral) (DT1! (3) 9230 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. 97582: joker_josue (Trust: +8 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (6) 6064 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. 113670: Mitchell (Trust: +49 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (22) 1646 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. 123824: albon (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 1798 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. 131333: wwzsocki (Trust: +14 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (0) 1519 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. 137185: jeremypwr (Trust: +57 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (16) 6153 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. 140582: gbianchi (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 2399 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. 140584: EFS (Trust: +12 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 1992 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. 158444: hybridsole (Trust: +19 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 466 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. 164749: stompix (Trust:  neutral) (DT1! (9) 6406 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. 164822: hilariousandco (Trust: +27 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (30) 1853 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. 170072: arulbero (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1521 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. 189967: buckrogers (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 195 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. 204821: Buchi-88 (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 2298 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. 216582: willi9974 (Trust: +48 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 2765 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. 257071: NeuroticFish (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 6021 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. 290195: achow101 (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 6594 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. 314792: examplens (Trust: +8 / =5 / -0) (DT1! (21) 3411 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. 317618: nutildah (Trust: +22 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (27) 9492 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. 346731: minerjones (Trust: +133 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 3186 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    31. 350580: irfan_pak10 (Trust: +17 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (3) 702 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    32. 355846: yahoo62278 (Trust: +37 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (23) 4205 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    33. 364070: bitbollo (Trust: +19 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 3557 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    34. 379147: pooya87 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 11219 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    35. 379487: LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (18) 11500 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    36. 405464: mocacinno (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 4516 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    37. 405482: Real-Duke (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 2523 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    38. 407174: klarki (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (1) 4330 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    39. 459836: LoyceV (Trust: +33 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (58) 20093 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    40. 487418: The Sceptical Chymist (Trust: +30 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (29) 6258 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    41. 521899: SFR10 (Trust: +18 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 2963 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    42. 557798: TryNinja (Trust: +11 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (9) 9217 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    43. 754818: holydarkness (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (14) 1346 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    44. 805820: Lafu (Trust: +18 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (14) 3868 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    45. 811213: polymerbit (Trust: +18 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1008 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    46. 839568: AakZaki (Trust: +7 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1421 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    47. 889300: giammangiato (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 1485 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    48. 901859: buwaytress (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 3612 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    49. 914465: crwth (Trust: +3 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (1) 1121 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    50. 949248: Kryptowerk (Trust: +47 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1249 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    51. 995810: hosemary (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 6585 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    52. 1000199: krogothmanhattan (Trust: +94 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (17) 4102 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    53. 1045971: igebotz (Trust: +18 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (12) 2191 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    54. 1067333: El duderino_ (Trust: +26 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (10) 15152 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    55. 1097370: KTChampions (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 2177 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    56. 1099980: Trofo (Trust: +29 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (13) 3179 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    57. 1137579: icopress (Trust: +78 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (35) 11647 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    58. 1190631: JeromeTash (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1349 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    59. 1247226: logfiles (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 2218 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    60. 1269497: Bitcoin_Arena (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 2006 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    61. 1285797: GazetaBitcoin (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 9125 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    62. 1311641: tvplus006 (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (13) 2452 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    63. 1424178: mole0815 (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 3234 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    64. 1582324: DdmrDdmr (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (20) 11250 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    65. 1634314: shahzadafzal (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 3192 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    66. 1668017: anonymousminer (Trust: +42 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 1390 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    67. 1724800: Lakai01 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 3806 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    68. 1827294: Husna QA (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 3274 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    69. 1836948: Bthd (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 2603 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    70. 1852120: fillippone (Trust: +12 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (23) 19869 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    71. 1862043: cryptofrka (Trust: +17 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 2315 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    72. 1878246: abhiseshakana (Trust: +2 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (1) 2464 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    73. 1980983: The Cryptovator (Trust: +21 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (18) 2480 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    74. 1982152: lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +30 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (27) 5378 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    75. 2003859: DireWolfM14 (Trust: +18 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (19) 5325 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    76. 2015418: notblox1 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (0) 1515 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    77. 2344286: Little Mouse (Trust: +41 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (10) 3428 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    78. 2363935: YOSHIE (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (17) 1887 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    79. 2477002: inspace (Trust: +5 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1150 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    80. 2497429: jokers10 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 3885 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    81. 2519096: Awaklara (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 823 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    82. 2597426: efialtis (Trust: +25 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1551 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    83. 2652924: geophphreigh (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1108 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    84. 2654005: zasad@ (Trust: +3 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (8) 5462 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    85. 2658890: Rikafip (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (25) 7716 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    86. 2709122: Etranger (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1830 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    87. 2739424: NotATether (Trust: +7 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (9) 9398 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    88. 2739454: Stalker22 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 1546 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    89. 2744352: bullrun2024bro (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 5122 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    90. 2776678: Charles-Tim (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (6) 6216 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    91. 2796662: Lillominato89 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 1230 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    92. 2836461: Free Market Capitalist (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (4) 3161 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    93. 3442614: YodasRedRocket (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 646 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    94. 3486361: PowerGlove (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 6881 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    95. 3540187: apogio (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (2) 2380 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)

DT 2
     1. 3: satoshi (Trust: +47 / =0 / -0) (8339 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. 4: sirius (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (878 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. 35: theymos (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (13962 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. 1268: nanotube (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. 2252: laanwj (Trust:  neutral) (44 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. 2676: casascius (Trust: +6 / =0 / -1) (191 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. 2759: midnightmagic (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (27 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. 2786: Pieter Wuille (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (198 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. 3318: Luke-Jr (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (196 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. 3380: Vladimir (Trust:  neutral) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. 3420: dooglus (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (334 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. 4171: Raize (Trust:  neutral) (24 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. 6347: Maged (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (17 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. 6447: forrestv (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (143 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. 7351: EPiSKiNG (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. 10354: JJG (Trust:  neutral) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. 10502: SgtSpike (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (5 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. 11275: wariner (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (4 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. 11671: Kluge (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (17 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. 12089: piotr_n (Trust:  neutral) (441 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

There have been examples here where the reputation was falling even for much less than $125. Those who hold on to their reputation will certainly not abuse it, but we have seen so many cases of manipulation, so everything should be taken into account.

In addition to the fact that most people wait to give a late prediction, leaving a review on Monerica requires additional steps, which is a special challenge. Plus, for safer review approval, an order ID is required, which is an additional "complicating" factor for participating in the contest. So, I am not surprised if there are not too many predictors who will use all three options.

Good point and observation, but the price is good enough for users for wanting more chances of winning. Alhough the participants is not yet so many but mostly in price predictions threads, people participate more on the last day of the event to get higher chance to predict the price knowing its 2-3 days difference to determine the result.

I'm really curious to know what punishment the erring staff who did that received. I can bet it caused his employer huge capital loss. As for those who hurriedly sold off, I don't blame them. Perhaps they thought it was their actual due from the promotional event they participated in. However, if they knew that it was mistakenly sent to them and they sold off in that rush, that's criminal. That's how I see it.

da unser Lafu momentan leider nicht die zeit hat, uns hier in diesem thema aktuell zu halten, möchte ich ihn etwas unter die arme greifen und euch das update für den monat februar veröffentlichen
im februar waren 113 user berechtigt in die dt-liste mit aufgenommen zu werden:

alte dt1-liste:

neue dt1-liste:

aus unserem deutschsprachigen bereich sind insgesamt 10 leute vertreten: Buchi-88, willi9974, Real-Duke, Lafu, polymerbit, Kryptowerk, mole0815, Lakai01, efialtis und bullrun2024bro
hier ist nochmal der original beitrag von theymos: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117330.msg66361122#msg66361122

wer genau rausgeflogen ist und wer dafür neu aufgenommen wurde, dies könnt ihr aus dieser liste entnehmen:

I didn't see any mention in the article that users withdrew any of the assets they sold. Am I missing something?
Here's a translated version:
My local news reports that only 125 BTCs have not been recovered, which gives the perception that users have successfully withdrawn to the external wallets or it just the valuation of the loss in BTC. https://coinvestasi.com/berita/gegara-salah-transfer-bitcoin-exchange-korsel-ini-diselidiki-regulator#:~:text=Meski%20demikian,ditarik%20kembali.

Если он живёт где-нибудь в Сомали или ещё каком диком месте, где тем не менее доступен интернет (понимаю, что здесь есть некое противоречие, но всё же), то и, собственно, ударяться в бега нет необходимости. Другое дело, что биток теперь будет меченым и отслеживаемым. Только мыть через миксер и продавать со скидкой. Но я бы всё-таки стремился к легальности, цивилизованности и совестливости. Спокойный сон приятнее, как ни крути.

That is right, they recovered more than 97% of the coins, according to media reports. So it wasnt really many that were "lost", or that they now have to fight for. The shitstorm in the media was worse than what actually happened. The 3% of users with bitcoins will probably have to answer why they did something with the coins. These are uncomfortable questions and answers. The story will soon be forgotten and Bitcoin will continue.

Да согласен, никто и не предполагал, что цена упадет даже более чем в два раза за такой короткий промежуток времени. Были разговоры о медвежке уже в октябре, но все конечно же ждали новый АТН и как то не могли смириться с тем, что 126к это максимум в этом цикле. Опять же в крипте возможно все и резкий рост, и быстрое падение но я все же предпочитаю находить всему логическое объяснение, пусть иногда и задним числом, лучше понимать, что происходит на рынке чем гадать на хрустальном шаре и пытаться угадать очередное движение.
 Но к сожалению сейчас биток больше зависит от политических заявлений и настроений Уолл стрит, чем от технических показателей и фундаментала, и прежде чем понять направление движения ВТС нужно глубоко влазить во всю эту политическую хрень, чтобы как минимум не прозевать сильного падения.
 И пока все данные говорят о том, что сильных обострений не будет, так что будем надеятся, что ниже 60 не упадем...
 

Меньше суток пришлось ждать пробоя  и очень узкий диапазон расширился.
Понятно что никто не знает будущего, а только высказывает свое мнение, но я все же надеюсь что вы не тот трейдер которому был понятен уровень поддержки/сопротивления для получения профита.
Сегодня Нетаньяху в белом доме тусит, по итогам встреч шантажа, еще и не такие движения возможны.

Сейлор не отступится от своего ни на шаг, он буквально недавно еще раз обхявнил базу про биток и почему он интересен и интресен к нему не ослабится. Типа биток это лучшее что можно держать и держаться подальше от фиатного хаоса, а также добавил что биток это актив на подобии акций компаний аэпл и гугл, но огромная разница в том что биток это класс актива, а не компания. И компания типа не может вместить в себя десятки и сотни триллионов, а биток может. Вообщем такие вот доводы, хотя я бы отметил что весьма интересные.

They only have about 46,000 bitcoins and the 620,000 bitcoins airdropped mistakenly to some users are unreal. They're figures credited to accounts while these users could not withdraw these airdropped bitcoins from Bithumb.

Cold or hot wallet is only an issue when people withdraw their coins from Bithumb and Bithumb proceeds withdrawals for users. Before that processing time, what users see in their accounts on their computer/ laptop/ mobile screens are only numbers, not actual bitcoins or altcoins.

Is it actually fault or just their game set up to dump Bitcoin market?

Accumulation, when it comes to investment, is a building block and seems like a ladder that you need to climb in steps to reach the top. Normally, it is not easy to get good results with Bitcoin investments, but with DCA, a method in Bitcoin, you can even reach points in Bitcoin investment that you never expected to achieve.

The amount that is invested in Bitcoin might be small, but if you give it some time and remain consistent, it will definitely reach a point that no one even expects. Most people who don’t understand accumulation underestimate it, but it makes a significant impact.

Для краткосрочного трейдера сейчас все более менее понятно, и после таких больших коррекций рынок может быть какое то время спокойным, но нужно оставаться осторожным, потому что в медвежьих фазах такие коррекции могут случатся чаще. Я не вижу сейчас новостей о больших покупках, даже с ЕТФ затихли, поэтому я больше вижу тут боковик с дальнейшим походом вниз, а за отскок согласна, возврат на 70к это как раз и был.

You don't need to establish your goals and/or targets prior to getting started.


You seem to be talking about trading rather than investing.. especially if you are selling for a profit.


You don't need to wait for a dip before getting started investing in bitcoin.


You don't need to know about bitcoin's cycle or study such cycle before getting started, especially since past performance does not guarantee future performance, which is another reason to get started investing in bitcoin no matter the BTC price.


If you are planning to buy and sell in connection to what you perceived to be the cycle then you seem to be trading bitcoin rather than investing in it.   This is a thread in which we are talking about investing not trading, which should include at least attempting to touch upon my bitcoin investing related ideas, even if you might disagree with some of them, but going on some other tangent without at least trying to make some connection seems a bit off topic.. 


You don't need a source of income or even steady income to get started, and even DCA can be done whenever you have money (or discretionary funds available). 

I agree with the overall idea that having a steady income is better than not having a steady income, yet a steady income is not required to either get started or to meet the definition of employing DCA, since DCA doesnot have to be steady, but can be whenever sufficient discretionary funds have come available.


Even if you claim to be investing without accounting for discretionary funds, it sounds to me that the 10-15% that you are investing is from discretionary funds, since the 85% to 90% is covering all of your expenses, so your discretionary funds ares greater than 10-15% of your income.. and the portion that you are investing from is coming from your discretionary funds, even though you claim to not be account for it.

From your discretionary funds, you can invest, save and/or use for discretionary consumption.

The non-discretionary funds covers all of your basic expenses... so if you were using money that you need for your expenses, then you are going to end up getting yourself in trouble.

Of course, you could have large enough back up funds so that you end up having money to cover your expenses in those instanaces that your income is low and/or your basic expenses are high.


If you are selling all of your bitcoin to consume or to invest in an inferior investment then you may well be trading rather than investing.

You can also choose to get an income off your bitcoin in the future, without any specific item in mind.. since you may well be  investing 4-10 years or longer.


You sound like a trader rather than an investor.  And, by the way, have you read any of my ideas about bitcoin investment, since this thread is about my bitcoin investment ideas. 

I understand that we are on page 42 of this thread, and there have been posts that have been distracting away from the topic and just talking about bitcoin investment generally or investment generally and seeming to lose touch with several of topic related angles of the thread.

The fact that DCA eliminates emotional pressure and time error is precisely why it is so strong among individuals with a regular income. Being able to invest a weekly sum such as 100 without having to guess at what point the market would be would cultivate a sense of discipline and exposure to the market. Meanwhile, I would concur that investments must be linked with life ambitions, house, car, financial security, as opposed to continuous accumulation. Bitcoin DCA is most effective when combined with an effective strategy: how long to hold, in what circumstances to realize the profit, and hold how much. Blind holding is normally beaten by Strategy + purpose.

DCA have helped a lot of people and your testimony might actually help a lot of people because even don't that one to invest is only few people that have the knowledge about DCA, and the DCA is a method that will not even stress anyone and this is why those that are working, they can make use of DCA comfortably and this is why it is good to always have a source of money before you plan to invest through DCA,  but everything is step by step sinces it is a long time investment you can kick start early commitment is what matter.

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Winner 1: rdluffy


Winner 2: tvplus006


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Регулярність - це питання дискутабельне. Якщо виводити кожен тиждень, але в різні дні, то це вже не регулярно для алгоритмів банку. Там же ж не сидить окрема людина, яка вручну спостерігає конкретно за вашою активністю. Тому мій спосіб відносно безпечний. Відносно - бо всі вони безпечні лише відносно, і лише до певного етапу чи часового моменту. Я впевнена, що в найближчому майбутньому так через р2р буде працювати вже набагато складніше. Як стало складніше з цим шляхом після введення обмежень на перекази.

Great perspective. Since the point is they should not hold blindly like they are just buying Bitcoin then forget about it, since its good that they have plans to follow. There are really times that we are feel tempted to sell our Bitcoins, but better they should not get distracted on short term movements they see on the market.

Having patience and think about stick on their plans really matter than any other else out there. If they reach their targets and think about stopping they can actually wait until they reach on levels that can support their withdrawal targets or goal. Everything will come if they are well discipline then know their purpose or reasons on why they are holding. Everything they do for long time will provably rewarding especially when they already hit their goals and start selling.

I doubt that we are just necessarily holding bitcoin for the mere sake of it, so there likely could be times that we start to get to our target amount, yet if we had been continuously buying, then we might not transition from buying into selling right away.  So there might be some time between the time that we are still buying and when we transition into selling, so if you start to sell early, then what is the reason?  Why can't you wait?

I understand if we had been buying bitcoin for 4-6 years, then we might witness all kinds of BTC price moves.  Some of the BTC price moves can tempt us into selling some or to stop in our accumulating, or maybe we are starting to feel that we are not getting very many bitcoin for any new investment that we make, so it starts to feel like it is not worth it to keep putting money into bitcoin and we are not meaningfully increasing the amount of BTC as compared with our earlier years of investing into it.

Yet, if we had reached a certain quantity of bitcoin, and we are tired of adding to it, we are not necessarily holding for the sake of it, yet we might be holding until the value reaches a certain level so that we might start to withdraw in accordance with sustainable withdrawal calculations that we might have arrived at.

So for example a guy who had been accumulating bitcoin for nearly 10 years since 2016 might find himself with right around 9.5 BTC, and he told himself that he would ONLY start to cash out from his bitcoin, once the 200-WMA valuation is enough to support an $80k per year income. So then he looks at the website or he does a calculation, and he sees that right now, it takes at least 13.777 BTC to support an $80k per year income, and right now 9.5 BTC will ONLY support a $55k per year income...

Since the 200-WMA is ongoingly going up (and he can see that on the fuck you status chart), he figures that if he does not accumulate any more bitcoin, then 9.5 bitcoin would still support an $80k per year income starting in about late 2027, so it should not take too long for him to transition into being able to sell some of his bitcoin, even if he does not build his BTC stash any greater than it is right now.


He does not need to go straight from $30 per week to $100 per week.  Of course, maybe he does learn quickly and get comfortable quickly... but he does not have to learn quickly or get comfortable quickly.  He can go at his own pace, and if he is investing he becomes more motivated to learn more about what he is investing into.. including motivated to figure out his cashflow so that he would be able to invest more based on his learning and increased comfort and without feeling worried about it.

Maybe I can flesh out and example of someone who might be ONLY increasing his investment amount as he learns rather than falling into FOMO behaviors.  So many guys consider the justification to get started investing right away in bitcoin as if it were based on FOMO, when I think that we should be able to control our emotions.. so that largely we are getting ourselves set up to be able to invest more and more into bitcoin, yet we don't need to maximize our capacities.  We can invest at our  pace and at our comfort and without falling into FOMO kinds of emotions or behaviors.

So here we go:

1) Starts out $30 per week into bitcoin and studies bitcoin and matters related to his cashflow about 2 hours per week

2) Week 3 realizes that his basic monthly expenses are about $1,000 and he has about $700 in his back up funds. He realizes that if he is going to protect his bitcoin investment then he is going to need to get his back up funds up to $3k (3 months of his expenses).  He increases his weekly bitcoin investment to $40 and starts to put $20 into his  back up funds. He continues studying bitcoin and matters related to his cashflow about 2-3 hours per week

3) Week 9 - increases his bitcoin investment to $75 per week and putting $30 per week into his back up funds

4)  after 20 weeks increases his bitcoin investment to $100 per week and his back up fund to $40 per week.

5) 9 months receives a lump sum extra amount of $5k from his employer as an unexpected bonus.  He decides to put $1,900 into his back up funds - which will bring his back up funds up to $3,300... and he decides to DCA $2,400 by putting $600 extra in his DCA over the next 4 weeks.  He decides to hang onto the remaining $700 for maybe buying on dips or just to have available.

6) 10 months he increases his DCA to $150 per week.

Sure, of course, there can be all kinds of variations in regards to how guys might accumulate bitcoin or come to feel comfortable, and part of the problem that any guy might have is if he got into bitcoin in late 2022 (for example) yet the BTC price just keeps going up the whole time, so then he ends up being punished for his not front loading his investment.  Sometimes it is better to study more diligently in order to start out investing more aggressively, yet the problem is that we can never know when we might end up having a decently large correction  or have the BTC price consolidating in a certain range for a while, so if we are holding back some of our capacity to invest, we might later feel regret, but if we are finding a reasonable pace to invest and learning as we go, then we can likely rest assured that we are investing as well as we are able to  based on our knowledge and our comfort level.

I always accept one thing that Bitcoin investment mainly depends on the amount of personal income of each person, does not encourage anyone to invest more than their ability. Here, the DCA plan encourages long-term investment by controlling themselves in bad market conditions and being patient. And you can avoid the mistake of thinking yourself too rich and the decision becomes more difficult. Sustainable savings are much better and more effective than excess savings. So DCA is a very good investment plan for everyone.

If the invested money is not used during the lifetime of the investor, then that assets will not be of any use to the person after his death. Therefore, there must be a goal in investment and this is important because if you do not enjoy it during the special times of your life due to lack of money, then just hoarding everything may seem mentally meaningless at some point. Therefore, in my opinion, continue DCA for a certain period of time and if the specific goal is met as per the plan, use or sell part of it and HODL the remaining part for the long term.

We usually use the idea of aggressive in terms of what level of accumulation that a guy might attempt to employ, and so there is nothing wrong with attempting to accumulate aggressively as long as you don't over do it.    Aggressive versus whimpy is on a sliding scale, and so if a person goes overboard, then he was investing overly aggressive.

Let's say that a person has an income of $30k per year ($2,500 per month) and his expenses are $1,500 per month.  That leaves him with $1k per month of discretionary income. 
Maybe a reasonable level of aggressiveness would be to invest $333, save $333 and discretionarily consume $333 (presuming that he is still building up his back up funds).   
Perhaps an aggressive way to manage those funds would be to invest $900, save $50 and discretionarily consume $50.   
Perhaps a whimpy way to manage those funds would be to invest $50, save $50 and discretionarily consume $900.
Perhaps an overly aggressive way to manage those funds would be to invest $1000 (or more), save $0 (or take from savings) and discretionarily consume $200 (taking from savings).

Since we talk about aggressiveness or whimpiness in terms of relative actions that guys have to figure out their chosen level, your idea of holding bitcoin aggressively makes little sense.


I generally talk about sustainable withdrawal as a goal rather than consumption goods, even though sure you can have whatever goals  that you like, and if you are not really aggressively accumulating bitcoin (such as 10% or 25% of your income going into bitcoin, and only relying on the signature campaign, then yeah, you might have more difficulties figuring out how to get to overaccumulation status.

Bitcoin has provided a lot of opportunities for many guys who had not had such opportunties with other possible asset classes, yet there likely are needs to try to commit to building your stash for 10 years or longer.. and so we cannot go back in time to fix our mistakes in regards to either being too whimpy or selling too many coins too soon in order to either consume or to invest in inferior assets.

Even with your forum registration date in November 2017 (a bit more than 8 years), you could have had likely gotten quite a long way in your  bitcoin accumulation with something like 15% of your income allocation.. so for example a guy who had a $15k income and invested $50 per week into bitcoin (17% of his income) would have had invested $21.6k (right around 1.44x of his annual income), and would have had accumulated 1.43 BTC.. which I think would be a great place to be since 1.43 bitcoin would currently support an income of right around $8.3k per year more than half of the guy's income .. and perhaps in another cycle or so, the guy could get the amount up to 1.6 BTC or more and he would be able to support a $20k per year income or more, since the 200-WMA is generally going down as you can see in my fuck you status projection chart.


I would suggest that you are trading rather than investing, and you are likely sabotaging your own efforts, since it is quite likely that you would have had been (and would be) way better to stay focused on ongoing accumulation of BTC no matter the BTC price until you reach overaccumulation status.


If you are ongoingly adding to your BTC stash, then it is likely a product of how aggressive that you can be in terms of how much discretionary income you have available, and yeah sometimes it can be difficult to get the investment into bitcoin in the supra 15% arena (meaning more than your income level allocated to bitcoin), and so yeah, if you don't have a lot of discretionary income, it can be difficult to dedicate decent portions towards ongoingly buying bitcoin.

Конечно с KYC. В Корее вообще со всем этим строго. Я вот пытался найти дропа на биржу Upbit, и у меня не вышло, там при регистрации столько всего требуют, чуть ли не вашу группу крови, поэтому все потенциальные люди отваливались.

Да хороший вопрос... Тоже интересует чуть больше конкретики. Потому как на консервативной стратегии получается совсем мало ну 2-3% в месяц и то при хорошей активности, а при агрессивной тактике легко вылететь в минус. Хотя я знаю случаи, когда люди делали 10-х за час , но также быстро это теряется как только рынок вылетает за границы диапазона, ни на этом так на другом токене...

У вас получается на метеоре зарабатывать? Я какими стратегиями только ни пробовал заходить, либо небольшой плюс, либо жирный минус.

Кто-то все-таки успел вывести и раствориться, и вполне возможно, что цифры биржей преувеличены, поскольку как-то не особо совпадает этой заявлением с тем, что ранее заявлялось, что была спровоцирована немедленная волна распродаж. А 35 минут - это большое время, это не 5 минут, за которые реально можно было не успеть ничего сделать.

 

Выводить эти деньги сразу в фиат было бы очень глупо для тех, кто хотел ими реально потом распоряжаться. Нужно было выводить с платформы на холодный адрес и куда-нибудь бежать. Там все эти пользователи с KYC наверняка были.

Ну тут как - задним числом логику в любом рыночном движении можно найти и обоснование будет железным - поскольку рынок уже туда пришёл. А в плане предсказаний - да, согласен с теми, что по многим альтам это будет аттракцион невиданной щедрости второй раз дать возможность закупиться по ценам, по которым, например, Xrp торговался летом 2024, а до этого много лет периодически...
   Не то, чтобы это совсем невозможно - на рынке возможно всё. И даже к этому могли бы подтолкнуть продажи долбанов-сооснователей типа Криса Ларсена. Но обычно у биржевых графиков вообще и у Xrp в частности чуть более сложная логика...

I will agree with you tvplus006 that figuring out some reasonable DCA amount that works for your budget is a good idea, and guys are likely to  have good chances of being better off by focusing on DCAing into bitcoin rather than if they had not, even though there is no guarantee.

Surely we can go back and measure that right around $210 per week or $11k per year invested into bitcoin for nearly 8 years would have had gotten a person to right around $1 million spot price, so surely we can see that bitcoin had been a good investment, and we can also likely infer that bitcoin is going to continue to be a good investment, yet someone starting right now is not likely to even be able to accumulate half of a bitcoin in the next 10 years, even if they were investing $210 per week and/or $11k per year.

For sure, I am an advocate of bitcoin, so I consider it a good idea to continue to put time, energy and value into bitcoin, and DCAing is one of the best, if not the best, way for normal peeps to tailor their bitcoin investment amount to their own budget and other aspects of their financial and/or psychological situation.

Hopefully, you have been following DCA in your own practice since I see that you have been registered on the forum since November 2017, so if you had started investing in bitcoin at around your forum registration date, then you would have had more than 8 years investing in bitcoin.


Of course each of us will have our comfort levels, yet if we are moving bitcoin to private wallets, then we likely need to spend some time learning about UTXO management, so I personally don't mind the idea of waiting until UTXOs are close to $500 before withdrawing them from exchanges.  Yet, sure I understand that if guys do not have a lot of wealth, they might not be comfortable keeping $500 in value on exchanges, so they have to figure out levels that are comfortable for them and including sometimes that fees are affected based on utxos.

But yeah, if a guy was investing around $20 per week and using an exchange, then it would take him around 25 weeks before he had invested $500 into bitcoin, which is 6 months, and some guys might not want to keep that much value on exchanges... yet they could end up costing themselves a lot if they were to have 25 UTXOs that are ONLY $20 each.. and also exchanges are not very friendly in their own fees, especially for low value amounts.

That's what I meant by "every bit counts".
Just imho the low amounts pose a different risk: if one is not careful enough he may lose a bit much on withdrawal or tx fees, making it make more sense to consider instead 21$ every week or 90$ a month, but in some cases keeping such amount of money untouched for a month can be a challenge.


I don't have substantial income nor very good investment plan, plus my intention was not to look down to such people, instead say "hats off" and point out (far from new, but still worthwhile) solutions better fitted for smaller amounts.

It may worth mentioning that the vast majority of people don't have the income necessary for such a DCA.
So let's just say that this person was from start far from poor and those dreaming to such DCA need to adjust.. a lot.
Of course, that doesn't mean they should despair, since every bit counts.

Унисвап, метеора