it just looks like someone planning some form of scam.
He already tried to lay the groundwork for the attempt:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5543341.msg65377951#msg65377951Ever since then he's been on a rampage to defame and discredit anyone who attempted to talk some sense into him. The attempt to sell keys, the reaction to the community's mistrust of his keys, the use of alts to make it look like others support him, and the vitriol towards those that point out the suspicious behavior make it very clear that exit scam was his plan all along.
He probably saw how easily yogg duped everyone and got jealous. But he's too lazy and uncreative to actually come up with his own coins, so he just cut to the chase and tried to sell sheets of keys.
Wallets. Bud. Those are called “sheets of keys” but they are wallet. If you cared to read the shit you would understand the difference and that I've essentially sold thousands of private keys and there has been zero issue.
it just looks like someone planning some form of scam.
He already tried to lay the groundwork for the attempt:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5543341.msg65377951#msg65377951Ever since then he's been on a rampage to defame and discredit anyone who attempted to talk some sense into him. The attempt to sell keys, the reaction to the community's mistrust of his keys, the use of alts to make it look like others support him, and the vitriol towards those that point out the suspicious behavior make it very clear that exit scam was his plan all along.
He probably saw how easily yogg duped everyone and got jealous. But he's too lazy and uncreative to actually come up with his own coins, so he just cut to the chase and tried to sell sheets of keys.
I have collected for many years. Some here have collected longer than me, others are newer. Ultimately I feel that we as a community choose to support those works we appreciate for their time, innovation, design, rarity, trust etc. Some of these factors are easy to promote and grow, others not so much. Trust is gained over time and lost quickly with poor decisions (Yogg). Designs can evolve and inspire, grow and become popular (Alpen). Others are steadfast and honored over time (BTCC). Ultimately we as collectors vote with our purchases. If we trust/like/enjoy/value a maker's item we will buy it. I have purchased many F*D items, am an avid collector of their old/original items, and started to buy the newer releases recently. I have stopped buying F*D items because of issues like these in this thread and because of the high volume poor quality releases. It simply was not worth my time or money anymore. Others may not feel this way, but many do. They should be free to express their opinion regarding each release, just as people are free to express their praise.
I caution you though. I see too many people taking any criticism here as a personal attack, but really I see the concerns raised as simply a stern warning from collectors that have lived the red flags previously and seen the negative outcomes. To ridicule these folks on the forum that are a voice of reason is foolish. You can buy what you want, and collect what you want, but it is disingenuous to disregard the past experiences of members who have been there before with situations like this and try to warn others.
I continue to collect items I see as valuable from members I trust (for now) ie. Cygan/Icaurs, Polymerbit, Ballet, etc. You can do as you wish, but the veteran collectors here are raising concerns for valid reasons.
Geophphpreigh
Hello Geo, I appreciate you taking the time to write this.
You’re absolutely right that trust is earned over time and can be lost quickly. That’s true in this space more than most. I don’t take that lightly.
If you’ve decided to pause purchasing my work because of concerns raised here, I respect that. Collectors should support what they feel confident in..
Where I want to be clear is that mistakes like the hologram issue are not being dismissed. They’re being addressed. I’m tightening QC and refining processes specifically because I understand that trust is fragile.
I don’t view all criticism as a personal attack. What I push back on is when criticism turns into assumptions about intent or integrity. There’s a difference between “this needs improvement” and “this maker can’t be trusted.”
Veteran collectors absolutely have a role in raising red flags when necessary. At the same time, innovation and experimentation also carry some growing pains. My goal is to improve without losing the creative drive that brought me back.
Whether you choose to collect my work again in the future or not, I respect the time you’ve put into this space and your right to speak candidly.
I have collected for many years. Some here have collected longer than me, others are newer. Ultimately I feel that we as a community choose to support those works we appreciate for their time, innovation, design, rarity, trust etc. Some of these factors are easy to promote and grow, others not so much. Trust is gained over time and lost quickly with poor decisions (Yogg). Designs can evolve and inspire, grow and become popular (Alpen). Others are steadfast and honored over time (BTCC). Ultimately we as collectors vote with our purchases. If we trust/like/enjoy/value a maker's item we will buy it. I have purchased many F*D items, am an avid collector of their old/original items, and started to buy the newer releases recently. I have stopped buying F*D items because of issues like these in this thread and because of the high volume poor quality releases. It simply was not worth my time or money anymore. Others may not feel this way, but many do. They should be free to express their opinion regarding each release, just as people are free to express their praise.
I caution you though. I see too many people taking any criticism here as a personal attack, but really I see the concerns raised as simply a stern warning from collectors that have lived the red flags previously and seen the negative outcomes. To ridicule these folks on the forum that are a voice of reason is foolish. You can buy what you want, and collect what you want, but it is disingenuous to disregard the past experiences of members who have been there before with situations like this and try to warn others.
I continue to collect items I see as valuable from members I trust (for now) ie. Cygan/Icaurs, Polymerbit, Ballet, etc. You can do as you wish, but the veteran collectors here are raising concerns for valid reasons.
Geophphpreigh
geo I have been collecting for over 50 years. Have the makers you trust made mistakes? Why are some makers criticized relentlessly while others get a pass? Why have past scams hurt creators ability to succeed today? Do we want to be stuck in the past? I agree that if you do not like the product do not buy it. The forum believes BTC is free, so let creators make what they want at the quality and price they choose. Why shame creators in public? It is just as easy to DM an innovator and offer friendly advice. I challenge you to criticize your manager at work the way you do on the forum and see what happens. Or go into a store and criticize the owner to see how that works for you. Members behave differently on the forum than in real life. It is like when people drink. If this behavior does not stop we will be left with an empty collectible board and only bragging about who has the best collection.
I have collected for many years. Some here have collected longer than me, others are newer. Ultimately I feel that we as a community choose to support those works we appreciate for their time, innovation, design, rarity, trust etc. Some of these factors are easy to promote and grow, others not so much. Trust is gained over time and lost quickly with poor decisions (Yogg). Designs can evolve and inspire, grow and become popular (Alpen). Others are steadfast and honored over time (BTCC). Ultimately we as collectors vote with our purchases. If we trust/like/enjoy/value a maker's item we will buy it. I have purchased many F*D items, am an avid collector of their old/original items, and started to buy the newer releases recently. I have stopped buying F*D items because of issues like these in this thread and because of the high volume poor quality releases. It simply was not worth my time or money anymore. Others may not feel this way, but many do. They should be free to express their opinion regarding each release, just as people are free to express their praise.
I caution you though. I see too many people taking any criticism here as a personal attack, but really I see the concerns raised as simply a stern warning from collectors that have lived the red flags previously and seen the negative outcomes. To ridicule these folks on the forum that are a voice of reason is foolish. You can buy what you want, and collect what you want, but it is disingenuous to disregard the past experiences of members who have been there before with situations like this and try to warn others.
I continue to collect items I see as valuable from members I trust (for now) ie. Cygan/Icaurs, Polymerbit, Ballet, etc. You can do as you wish, but the veteran collectors here are raising concerns for valid reasons.
Geophphpreigh
That said, I am considering stepping away from this forum, as I have experienced a level of hatred and harshness that I do not feel I deserve, nor do I believe anyone does.
The toxic environment for coin makers here is nothing new. It is why I haven’t released anything in more than half a decade. As a maker, at some point you begin to wonder if the community will ever change, but I’ve only seen it get worse with each passing year. Probably why not a single innovation has happened to this collectibles market in at least a decade while coin premiums and quality have only gotten worse with scams being more frequent. This is a trend that isn’t slowing.
Do you think that the community should not hold coin makers to a higher standard, when we've seen repeated instances of rug pulls, botched keys, using malware-laced keygen tools? I guess we should just allow newbies to get scammed again and again, because we wouldn't want any new makers to feel any harshness or criticism while they peddle their terrible products here.
Hold to a higher standard? What is the standard? I’m genuinely curious what maker here is viewed by the community as meeting the standard. Casascius? He released a hologram with a misspelling. Lealana? He funded 2 coins with the same public key. Bitcoin Penny? He took preorder money and lost it. Yogg? Scam. Friends of satoshi? Never made a single promised distribution. I could go on and on…
Who is the guy that critics say is worthy to make coins here?
So what you’re saying is let’s remove the collectible board correct?
That said, I am considering stepping away from this forum, as I have experienced a level of hatred and harshness that I do not feel I deserve, nor do I believe anyone does.
The toxic environment for coin makers here is nothing new. It is why I haven’t released anything in more than half a decade. As a maker, at some point you begin to wonder if the community will ever change, but I’ve only seen it get worse with each passing year. Probably why not a single innovation has happened to this collectibles market in at least a decade while coin premiums and quality have only gotten worse with scams being more frequent. This is a trend that isn’t slowing.
Do you think that the community should not hold coin makers to a higher standard, when we've seen repeated instances of rug pulls, botched keys, using malware-laced keygen tools? I guess we should just allow newbies to get scammed again and again, because we wouldn't want any new makers to feel any harshness or criticism while they peddle their terrible products here.
Hold to a higher standard? What is the standard? I’m genuinely curious what maker here is viewed by the community as meeting the standard. Casascius? He released a hologram with a misspelling. Lealana? He funded 2 coins with the same public key. Bitcoin Penny? He took preorder money and lost it. Yogg? Scam. Friends of satoshi? Never made a single promised distribution. I could go on and on…
Who is the guy that critics say is worthy to make coins here?