3 meses depois é que contestou?

Aqui em Portugal uma transferência internacional fora da UE, as vezes 6 horas depois já não dá para fazer nada. O banco quase responde com um "temos pena - não se engana-se".
Então, se existir uma prova que o dono da conta, aprovou a transação. Não há cá o "enganei-me ou fui hackado". Tem de ser valores muito significativos, para o banco avançar com algo mais especifico. O que normalmente não é, e por isso nem o cliente vai querer ir para tribunal, pois gastaria mais dinheiro do que o dinheiro que eventualmente queria recuperar.

Resumindo, um banco aceitar bloquear uma transação realizada 3 meses antes, é de facto algo que não faz qualquer sentido.

If you are referring to current spot prices then we are talking about 92.6 bitcoin.


Ok... so you are proclaiming that this hypothetical guy has come to a conclusion that he largely has enough bitcoin, so he does not necessarily need to continue to spend time accumulating bitcoin to the extent that you might be suggesting that up until now he had been accumulating bitcoin.

I would find it helpful to know how he got to such 92.6-ish BTC status and other parts about his personal factors - besides merely that he is changing his mindset in regards to how he thinks about his bitcoin, since I would have had considered that a guy does not just come to 92.6 BTC, and his mindset likely had already been changing little by little through the years.. and golly-gee whiz, there are quite a few different paths that the guy could have had taken to get to such 92.6 BTC, which many times would be relevant.. even though surely the mere fact that he has 92.6 BTC does remain relevant in and of itself too, so I will grant you the relevancy of that part.


I don't have any problem with the idea of selling 2% of the BTC quarterly or even 8% annually, and previously, I had considered BTC management in those kinds of terms, yet in recent times, I have considered using the 200-WMA to value the coins and then to withdraw based on that in order to attempt to get to a more solid (and stable) results, even though surely a guy could also upwardly adjust the dollar amount each year in order to account for the potential debasement of the dollar or the lessening of the purchasing power of the dollar each year, and in recent times, I had just been using a 7% per year presumed debasement for round about convenience in regards to what might be a fair estimate.  My own webpages and withdrawal tool has not really accounted for some of my current thinking on the matter, even though there is enough information in the generated data that these kinds of steady and reasonable dollar-based withdrawal formulas can be figured out.

Of course, we don't exactly need any tool to figure out how much 2% per quarter withdrawal rate would be since we just look at the BTC quantity and we can project the balance of BTC that will be remaining each quarter after we sell 2% of our stash each quarter, so the first quarter we would sell right around 1.85 BTC, which would be right around $200k.. and which would be the withdrawal of $800k per year.

Based on the use of the 200-WMA, currently I am showing a yearly withdrawal rate of right around a $458k rate for a current stash of 92.6 BTC.

I consider that either rate would be sustainable, even though you are calculating a bitcoin amount to withdraw which is likely going to contribute to a lot of variance in the dollar value, and I am considering starting with a dollar value and presuming that each year I will be able to increase it by at least 7%, if I want... and any excess appreciation of the value will continue to compound.. unless I adjust my withdrawal rate from time to time to account for my new valuations...and personally, I don't consider the possibility of annual-ish re-evaluations to be particularly problematic or burdensome, and sure even your goal of withdrawing 2% of the BTC per quarter would not be burdensome to adjust from time to time, whether annually or otherwise.


Sure.  that is possible that guy currently with 92.6 bitcoin and a 2% per quarter withdrawal rate is going to be able to deal with the fluctuations and to just withdraw his 2% no matter the bitcoin price, so even if the BTC price goes down 80% as it has historically done, your guy would still be able to withdraw his 2% even though it ONLY retains 20%-ish of today's value.. not that either of us consider an 80% draw down from today's price to be very realistic, and perhaps slightly more than a 50% draw down from our current prices, might be more within an area of potential drawdown that coudl end up happening, even though we may also have more up before down, even though we likely do have to prepare financially and mentally for either direction.

I think that my guy who would be withdrawing based on the 200-WMA would likely go through less variation, even though i do start to reduce the withdrawal rate once the BTC price goes below 25% higher than the 200-WMA.. so currently, if the BTC price were to go below $62k-ish, then my system would start to recommend reductions in the monthly withdrawal amount... For my system, a $458k annual withdrawal amount is $38k per month when it is just following the standard withdrawals and not withdrawing extras on booms or reducing on BTC spot price corrections that go below 25% above the 200-WMA.... and right now the BTC price is right around 120% higher than the 200-WMA.


What are his long-term financial goals?  just to continue to live off of his bitcoin.. whether withdrawing a steady bitcoin rate or perhaps withdrawing based on a dollar rate and continuing allowing it to grow and compound upon itself as long as the withdrawal rate is not too high.

Don't get me wrong, since I think that even withdrawing on bitcoin percentage is o.k... yet I become a bit bothered by the likely extreme changes if the income is purely based on a straight bitcoin withdrawal rate since I think that it is going to fluctuate quite a bit in terms of dollar value that is being withdrawn.


I don't have any problems with any of those goals, even though I consider that it would be more stable to withdraw at some rate that is lower than a strict bitcoin amount, even though I do have some funds in two of my bitcoin accounts that have been being withdrawn at a steady rate since about early 2023, even though their value went up more than 4x since then.. but I have continued to allow them to be withdrawn at the same BTC rate.. and perhaps part of the reason that I had been allowing such is based on my having had used a 4% annualized withdrawal rate, even though I know that a 10% annualized withdraw rate would likely also be sustainable.. so even though I had not been reducing the allowance based on dollars, I had been ONLY allowing less than half of the amount that I consider to be sustainable. which also just means that the remaining (not withdrawn) value continues to compound upon itself for the possibility of higher future withdrawals if needed or even not needing to reduce the withdrawal rate, even if the BTC price were to go down 50% from here or maybe even 80% at some future time.

don't you think its too low ?

I am finding these various discussions of percentages to be confusing, and so yeah, a guy who might have various investments, might be first coming to bitcoin and trying to determine how much to put into bitcoin, so an initial starting point may be to aim towards 5% to 25% of his total investment portfolio to be allocated to bitcoin, yet depending on the size of his budget it could take him several  months or even longer than a year to reallocated and reach his target level in bitcoin.. and he can also reconsider his bitcoin allocation at various times along the way as he is investing into bitcoin, he is also hopefully learning about bitcoin and considering his allocation and considering the extent to which he might reallocate or let his bitcoin investment ride once it is established and even continuing to add to it once established.  Of course, there could be ways that guys also have lump sum amounts that are available too that could help them to reach their target levels of investment into bitcoin faster.. and also as their income continues to come in, they continue to invest in bitcoin and determine the extent to invest into bitcoin and/or any other investments that they might have.  For sure the more kinds of assets a person has then, they also might well have targets within each kind of investment in terms of what levels they want to reach within the investment or within that investment relative to their other investments.. which they also might have considerations of how much to allocate to bitcoin, properties, stocks, bonds, commodities, perhaps other businesses, cash/cash equivalents.

There surely are folks who also come to bitcoin without having any other investments, so their first investment might be bitcoin, so they would build up their bitcoin and balance their bitcoin with their cashflow management, and roughly speaking even a newbie to bitcoin could consider allocating 5% to 25% of his income into bitcoin, yet he still would have to be investing into bitcoin from his discretionary income (meaning the amount that is left after accounting for expenses).  So guys can stay invested into bitcoin and cash (emergency funds/reserve funds) and perhaps as his bitcoin investment grows to reach more than a year of his expenses or even more, he might start to consider at various times to start to diversify, at least he might have senses that he wants to have some of his back up funds to be working rather than having 4 months or more of his funds in cash and not working, so if he wants to accumulate more back up funds, then he might want some of theme to be working funds... so maybe another target that he has with his bitcoin is to get it to be 10x or more or the size of his expected annual expenses, and if he is measuring the value of his BTC from the 200-WMA, it could take a while to reach 4-10 years or longer.. or even 20-30 years to reach such targets, even in spite of how much value he put into bitcoin and also how much BTC had appreciated in value during his investment time, whether measuring from the 200-WMA or spot prices or a combination of such measurements.

The extent to which anyone chooses to allocate into shitcoins and/or even trading with their bitcoin should be low, yet surely some folks cannot resist gambling and/or they have interests and distractions and they think that they are learning about other things when they are investing into shitcoins or trading with their bitcoin, so I frequently like to suggest that that guys do not do that, but if they cannot resist and they come to the conclusion that they want to do it, then they should at least limit their budget to no more than 10% the size of their bitcoin investment.. without cheating and continuing to add to their shitcoins and/or their trading when they are losing money from those.  So surely every month if guys are buying bitcoin and/or even from time to time lump sum buying into bitcoin, they may well be considering adding to their shitcoin and/or trading accounts at a similar rate of 10% into shitcoin and/or trading accounts and 90% allocated into bitcoin... so if they have an investment budget of $100 per month, then at least 90% ($90) goes into their bitcoin and perhaps no more than 10% ($10) goes into shitcoin and/or trading accounts... and these are building over time and appreciating/depreciating and perhaps the trading and shitcoin accounts have changes in position going on and maybe in the bitcoin accounts there is value getting moved from account to account from time to time.

In the end, guys figure out their own ways of dealing with their various accounts that hopefully comes from experience, learning and from time to time tweaking of their systems and even learning from their own finances and/or psychology the extent to which any changes in their own situation or their 9 individual factors might affect how they are dealing with their various investments (hopefully with a lot of priority with bitcoin) and their cashflow management systems and practices (that includes the initial building of back up funds and maintaining them within individual purposes and acceptable balances).


If a person has reached overaccumulation stage, then likely he has a lot of options, and there are not necessarily any requirements regarding how he spends his overaccumulated amount, and he may not even need to replace any of it once he spends it.

Surely guys might choose to have other investments or even trade from their overaccumulated amounts, yet there also could be ways in which spending from the overaccumulated amount never causes the person to go below overaccumulation status, so long as he continues to spend at a rate that is lower than the amount that the value of the BTC holdings is appreciating.. So of course, the greater the cushion of overaccumulation, then the less worry that the guy has that he would fall into overaccumulation status.

I frequently like to use the example of the guy who might have had been living off of a $30k per year salary, yet maybe he wants to build up his bitcoin stash so that he has an ability to spend up to $80k per year.. so [ur=https://bitcoindata.science/withdrawal-strategy?U2FsdGVkX1/3dEHD0997ik7bXXag3wv+jIlqPBGSwwuRYoo6wHqEOktMiVXENevFfdq6UpcTpyhnGE7NEdsM4w==l]right now in order to have the ability to withdraw at $80k per year, he would need a minimum of 16.189 BTC[/url], yet if he has extra BTC, such as 22.2 BTC, then he would have more confidence that he could spend from the overaccumulated amount of 6 BTC, and as he is spending, his threshold level for the $80k per year income will continue to go down, even if he might calculate a cost of living or a dollar debasement of 7% per year... so once he starts to withdrawal perhaps at $80k per year, he could continue to increase his withdrawal amount in dollars by 7% each year (such as $85.6k year 2, $91.6k year 3, $98k year 4, $104.86k year 5, etc etc etc).. and continue to spend within his overaccumulation status and without a fear of depleting his BTC at a faster rate than it is increasing in value.. and yeah, if he screws it up and calculates wrong, then that is his responsibility to figure out the details and make sure that he is not overly depleting his BTC amount so that it no longer would be sustainable at the rate that he had calculated it to be.

We can look back and see historically that it took more bitcoin to have a $80k per year withdrawal rate, and that it was more than feasible to withdraw $80k per year in sustainable ways, and perhaps even greater comfort to be able to accomplish a withdrawal rate of at least $80k per year when the guy the guy had a BTC aount that exceeded minimum threshold amounts for his target withdrawal rate and he spent within the overaccumulated amounts.  The problems come when guys want to spend above their overaccumulated amounts and/or they do not know how to calculate their own levels of what is overaccumulation for them.

If we look at $80k as a target level for each of the previous years (without necessarily accounting specifically for the debasement of the dollar/inflation) we still should be able to realize that there have been formulas to be able to achieve an $80k per year withdrawal rate as long as we had at least the threshold amount of BTC and that we stayed spending within the overaccumulated amount even accounting for something like a 7% per year debasement/inflation rate.

Income of $80k per year, threshold quantity of BTC needed to be able to accomplish such.. using the 200-WMA.

July 1, 2019  =  205 BTC  (200-WMA value - $3,902)

July 1, 2020  =  131.3 BTC (200-WMA value - $6,107)

July 1, 2021  =  59.4 BTC (200-WMA value - $13,469)

July 1, 2022  =  35.56 BTC (200-WMA value - $22,497)

July 1, 2023  =  29.96 BTC (200-WMA value - $26,702)

July 1, 2024  =  22 BTC (200-WMA value - $36,364)

July 1, 2025  =  16.25 BTC (200-WMA value - $49,231)

July 1, 2026  =   (probably fewer than 14 BTC)  (200-WMA value - likely greater than $57,150)  and of course, we cannot really know BTC price dynamics with any level of assurity or preciseness whether we are talking about a year from now or even several years down the road, since there are even chances that by July 1, 2026 (merely a year from now), it could take less than 10 BTC to be able to reach an adequate BTC accumulation threshold to be able to be assured of being able to sustainably withdraw $80k per year which would need to have a 200-WMA value of greater than $80k, and yeah, we know that historically bitcoin has continued to outperform other assets .. but bitcoin is not guaranteed to continue to outperform other assets, yet we can still choose our position size and our level of aggressiveness in the accumulation of bitcoin and the holding of bitcoin while trying to be smart about our assessment of our individual factors.

We can see that even with a withdrawal rate of $80k per year that I am using for the above examples, we would be able to increase our dollar withdrawal rate by 7% (probably even more) and still the value of the BTC would be growing faster than our withdrawal rate (especially if we are using the 200-WMA to value or stash and to make sure that we are not withdrawing beyond a sustainable rate), which is one of the advantages for each of us to get to a status in which we are actually  above our overaccumulation status and then maintaining our budget in a way that we are never falling out of our overaccumualtion status, which each of needs to be responsible to figure out our actual calculations for our own situation so that we do not screw up that which seems an otherwise great deal and a great asset as long as we know how to reasonably manage it.

There has likely been no asset like bitcoin that has been so widely available to the masses and even poor people can directly advantage by it, so long as they either have a discretionary income or they can figure out how to get a discretionary income so that they are able to both invest into bitcoin and also to make sure that they manage their holdings and do not lose their holdings.... while they are building it up to a level that is their own target level whether they are able to reach an overaccumulation level or some other point in which at some point they are able to start to use their bitcoin, perhaps 4-10 years or longer to the extent that they plan to use their BTC themselves or optionally to pass their BTC onto their heirs (to the extent that passing BTC onto heirs is something that they either want to do or to merely have as a kind of back up plan in case they die earlier than expected/wanted).  


I think that I agree with what you are saying overall Gost ms, even though you say it in a bit of a strange way that almost makes it ambiguous what you are saying and your attempt to proclaim strict rules also becomes problematic, even though there are likely better practices that can be outlined and put into practice and individualized.

I think that the general idea is to ongoingly build your investment over many years, for 4-10 years or longer, and surely anyone who is buying relatively small amounts of BTC (such as ONLY less than 10% of their income), it is likely going to take them longer and longer to get to a point in which it might start to make sense to transition from accumulation status into maintenance status and then perhaps even later to transition into some kind of a sustainable withdrawal status.

Surely a person who is able to accumulate bitcoin at a more aggressive rate or at least at a rate that is a higher percentage of their income, then they are likely going to make progress faster towards reaching some form of overaccumulation status, yet at the same time, people should ONLY be as aggressive as they are able to be within their own financial parameters, since it would not be good for anyone to be either investing beyond their discretionary income or to be investing so high within their discretionary income that they end up overly depriving themselves in their lives or otherwise contributing to their own psychological problems due to their overly stressing about their bitcoin investment.. so even poor people might be greatly motivated to attempt to have bitcoin to help them to get out of their poverty status, they still need to figure out some level of reasonable balance so that they are not overly investing even from within their own psychological tolerance, even if they may well be staying within their financial tolerance.

Another point that you might have had made better Gost ms is your suggestion that bitcoin remains a long term play so that none of us should be allowing short term profits distract us in regards to our likely need to continue to accumulate bitcoin, and perhaps to appreciate the advantages that we have in regards to having some of our earlier bitcoin accumulations to be greatly in profits, yet at the same time, we likely need to stay focused on the long term and the ongoing building of our bitcoin holdings, even if some of our holdings are greatly in profits... so we have to attempt to budget for these kinds of matters of dealing with our being in profits and to prepare ourselves financially and psychologically to deal with such matters and not to let our profit levels to take away from our likely ongoing need to continue to accumulate bitcoin through buying, and that selling does not tend to be a good way of dealing with bitcoin - especially if we are able to really reflect on our status and to recognize/appreciate that we are still in our accumulation status, even if we might have a decent amount of profits building up.

It can be quite a challenge for some folks to continue to accumulate bitcoin when they are perceiving their holdings to be so greatly in profits and they are tempted to either sell or to discontinue accumulating, even though it could well be that the better course of action is to continue to accumulate.. yet at the same time, the answer about what to do is not necessarily black and white and each person has to figure out their own best course of action and hopefully for their own good they do not end up screwing up, even though surely we have a lot f historical examples of normies screwing up in their bitcoin investment by selling too much too soon or failing/refusing to continue to accumulate through ongoing buying until they really get to an overaccumulation status rather than their mistake perception of their being in overaccumulation status when that was not really the case in reality they were not yet in overaccumulation status, yet each person is obligated to either make his own assessment of his status or to seek help from others if he believes he is not able to figure out these matters for himself..  

Alternatively we are also vulnerable to even not knowing what we do not know or even erroneously concluding that we know more than we know. .so we have to be careful of those kinds of vulnerabilities, too.


It is not necessarily easily to determine when diversification might start to seem to be justifiable, since there are some guys who start with bitcoin and they are already invested in various other assets, so I doubt that any of us would be suggesting that they have to divest from their other assets and go straight into holding ONLY bitcoin and cash.. that might not make any sense.

It also may well not make any sense for a person without any investments (perhaps other than cash) to feel some need to invest into anything other than bitcoin (and building his cashflow management) over his first several months or even his first several years into bitcoin investing... yet there still could be questions regarding levels of discretionary income and/or cash that a person might have, and some guys might have a lot of cash /value that they are able to invest into bitcoin from the start, yet even having a lot of cash does not necessarily justify investing into anything other than bitcoin in the beginning, yet there can still be questions regarding when it may well start to make sense to have other than bitcoin and cash, which truly I have personally suggested that building a bitcoin investment up to a year of expenses and perhaps having 4-6 months of cash in various back up funds might start to justify desires to keep more money in cash, but to have that money working rather than being in cash, so being at such a status may well start to justify diversifying beyond bitcoin and cash.. even if some of the other investment (the non-bitcoin investments such as properties, stocks, bonds, commodities, business matters, cash equivalents) might start to seem as more sophisticated ways of holding variations on cash...

so then if a guy is measuring his overall investment portfolio and he is seeing the bitcoin portion start out in the 5% to 25% territory of his annual income, and then it becomes greater than a whole year, and then maybe he starts to feel uncomfortable to have bitcoin in 75% or more, or even 90% or more of his investments are in bitcoin, so he might start to want to hold other than bitcoin and cash.. and he does not need to necessarily get to overaccumulation status in order to start to consider some need to diversify beyond bitcoin and cash... and surely some of us consider overaccumulation to be at least 10x the annual withdrawal rate that you would like to sustain measured based on the 200-WMA.. so then it could take quite a while to get to such overaccumulation status, and diversification might even start to make sense at less than 1 year's withdrawal rate value being held in bitcoin. Many folks are already going to be having stresses when their BTC is 15% to 25% of their investment portfolio, and if we might be suggesting that guys reach overaccumulation status before they start to even consider diversifying beyond cahs and bitcoin, then that may well constitute an investment portfolio that is greater than 95% in bitcoin, which truly seems to be a status that many guys are going to have difficulty in keeping... since it seems both extreme financially but also stressful psychologically, especially during downward volatile times.


Yep.. seemingly, we have very low levels of adoption of bitcoin, and likely poor people would be disproportionately advantaged by attempting to accumulate bitcoin, even though poor people have more challenges in regards to their being able to generate higher levels of discretionary income.... yet surely there is an irony in regards to rich people being able to accumulate bitcoin more easily than poor people even though poor people are likely going to advantage more from getting themselves involved in bitcoin in what is likely an ongoing and continued transfer of wealth from the no coiners to the coiners.. and such wealth transfer has already been quite extreme, even though not easy to see when we are in the process of it, and surely the more direct way for anyone to benefit from such ongoing wealth transfer is to directly own coins.. even though many folks will also likely indirectly benefit from the ongoing world-wide adoption of bitcoin...even though if possible directly benefitting would likely be a preferred course .. for any who are willing to act rather than merely watch the ongoing wealth transfer process.

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    49. 1051955: roycilik (Trust: +12 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (2) 1906 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    50. 1052091: CryptopreneurBrainboss (Trust: +19 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 4664 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    51. 1059082: hugeblack (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 4127 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    52. 1067333: El duderino_ (Trust: +27 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (7) 14236 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    53. 1097370: KTChampions (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 1967 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    54. 1099980: Trofo (Trust: +27 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 2851 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    55. 1137579: icopress (Trust: +71 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (32) 10714 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    56. 1164368: GreatArkansas (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1335 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    57. 1179651: sheenshane (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1159 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    58. 1190631: JeromeTash (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1214 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    59. 1247226: logfiles (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 2026 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    60. 1269497: Bitcoin_Arena (Trust: +1 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (6) 1876 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    61. 1285797: GazetaBitcoin (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (18) 8330 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    62. 1289002: Maus0728 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (0) 1572 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    63. 1291828: TheBeardedBaby (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 3190 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    64. 1311641: tvplus006 (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (17) 2226 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    65. 1339716: coinlocket$ (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 1511 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    66. 1554927: bitmover (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 6700 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    67. 1582324: DdmrDdmr (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (24) 11161 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    68. 1724800: Lakai01 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 3426 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    69. 1825672: morvillz7z (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 2162 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    70. 1827294: Husna QA (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 3114 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    71. 1836948: Bthd (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 2602 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    72. 1852120: fillippone (Trust: +15 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (27) 18493 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    73. 1894120: madnessteat (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 2604 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    74. 1982152: lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +26 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (28) 4810 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    75. 2003859: DireWolfM14 (Trust: +20 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (20) 4975 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    76. 2015418: notblox1 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (0) 1399 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    77. 2143453: 1miau (Trust: +7 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (23) 7377 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    78. 2344286: Little Mouse (Trust: +29 / =1 / -1) (DT1! (5) 2845 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    79. 2363935: YOSHIE (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (18) 1824 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    80. 2477002: inspace (Trust: +4 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (5) 803 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    81. 2497429: jokers10 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 3703 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    82. 2519096: Awaklara (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (4) 787 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    83. 2597426: efialtis (Trust: +24 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1528 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    84. 2652924: geophphreigh (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 1098 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    85. 2654005: zasad@ (Trust: +2 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (10) 4985 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    86. 2658890: Rikafip (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (23) 7096 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    87. 2709122: Etranger (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1599 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    88. 2739424: NotATether (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (10) 8644 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    89. 2739454: Stalker22 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 1469 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    90. 2744352: bullrun2024bro (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 4994 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    91. 2776678: Charles-Tim (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (9) 5640 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    92. 2796662: Lillominato89 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1008 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    93. 2836461: Free Market Capitalist (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 2661 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    94. 3373825: paid2 (Trust: +11 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 3696 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    95. 3442614: YodasRedRocket (Trust: +29 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 636 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    96. 3506304: God Of Thunder (Trust: +4 / =4 / -0) (DT1! (2) 1171 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

DT 2
     1. 3: satoshi (Trust: +48 / =0 / -0) (7640 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. 4: sirius (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (802 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. 35: theymos (Trust: +31 / =1 / -1) (13356 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. 2252: laanwj (Trust:  neutral) (30 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. 2676: casascius (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (141 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. 2759: midnightmagic (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (27 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. 2786: Pieter Wuille (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (198 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. 3318: Luke-Jr (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (186 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. 3420: dooglus (Trust: +12 / =0 / -0) (333 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

In my case, I needed USDT, regardless of the network, because I used it to pay for some service, and all options were acceptable. I used ERC20, because that wallet was "at hand", and I did this comparison only later.
I believe that this can be useful to someone in the future when they change a larger amount.

passing KYC verification is essential for accessing refunds on Swapuz, so before making transactions make sure to always do AML checks.

Wishing you all the best and safe swapping!
Trêvoid

Weekly update (2025-06-27_Fri_05.18h)


theymos' raw data (format: time    amount    msg    user_from    user_to)
Sample
Full list^* (50 MB) (not limited to 120 days, 2513 Merit transactions added since my previous update).

theymos' data (human readable format, including usernames and post titles)
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On Fri 27 Jun 2025 04:15:51 AM CEST, nutildah (history) sent 3 Merit to holydarkness (history) for Re: XYES.COM SCAM .
On Fri 27 Jun 2025 04:14:36 AM CEST, #BitcoinCore (history) sent 1 Merit to r_victory (history) for Re: Brasileirão 2025 - Brazilian Championship Serie A.
On Fri 27 Jun 2025 03:36:55 AM CEST, Shamm (history) sent 1 Merit to Shishir99 (history) for Re: Start a new beginning after a long sleep in the forum..
On Fri 27 Jun 2025 03:30:34 AM CEST, bitmover (history) sent 1 Merit to alegotardo (history) for Re: Bitcoin e a guerra no Oriente médio.
On Fri 27 Jun 2025 02:50:21 AM CEST, bitmover (history) sent 1 Merit to examplens (history) for Re:  Swapuz - automatic exchange/sell/buy BTC ⇄ XMR (1500+ other coins) 24/7.
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On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:28:54 PM CET, AdolfinWolf (history) sent 1 Merit to Lutpin (history) for Re: What is the function of the "Merit" score?.
On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:27:54 PM CET, Dahman El_Harrachi (history) sent 1 Merit to theymos (history) for Re: Forum ranks/positions/badges (What do those shiny coins under my name mean?).
On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:27:22 PM CET, Tyrantt (history) sent 5 Merit to AdolfinWolf (history) for What is the function of the "Merit" score?.
On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:27:13 PM CET, Last of the V8s (history) sent 2 Merit to Rosewater Foundation (history) for Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion.
On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:12:21 PM CET, theymos (history) sent 1 Merit to AdolfinWolf (history) for What is the function of the "Merit" score?.
Full list (533 MB)

Usernames to go with theymos' data
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0: deMerit (Bitcoin Forum) (history) earned: 0 Merit.
3: satoshi (history) earned: 7640 Merit.
4: sirius (history) earned: 802 Merit.
10: Xunie (history) earned: 1 Merit.
11: madhatter (history) earned: 5 Merit.
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3711551: Leo_Bounty (history) earned: 2 Merit.
3711589: Hadaikum (history) earned: 3 Merit.
3711603: Finebone (history) earned: 6 Merit.
3711898: Benjamin2412 (history) earned: 1 Merit.
3712259: Pinkman737 (history) earned: 1 Merit.
Full list^* (10 MB)

Usernames machine readable
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UserIDs, sent Merit and earned Merit machine readable
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Total number of users who received 1 or more Merit: 49897
Sample
Full list (5 MB)

Total number of users who gave away 1 or more sMerit: 26205
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Merit per day of the week
Monday 295854 (14.22%)
Tuesday 297503 (14.30%)
Wednesday 298177 (14.33%)
Thursday 318224 (15.29%)
Friday 317792 (15.27%)
Saturday 276212 (13.27%)
Sunday 276253 (13.28%)
Total: 2080015

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Good observation, this is useful for tokens that support multiple networks. However, since I rarely use these tokens (Bitcoin, LTC at most and now trying out Eth) I don't have much experience in choosing the best token, the important thing is not to make a mistake/withdraw on the wrong network and lose the tokens.

As for the issue of fees, I believe that over time the service will find a middle ground between charging increasingly competitive fees and sufficient to keep the business profitable.

quote author=CCECash link=topic=5538211.msg65542718#msg65542718 date=1751488490]
Friends, we continue to publish events for you. A new raffle has just been launched, hurry up to take part.
[/quote]Damn, I'm late, I hope I'll be on time for the next raffle. 

When you talk about different fees depending on pair, it is even more interesting that, for example, the BTC to USDT conversion fee differs depending on the network. For example, it is more favorable for users to use BEP20 than ERC20, and the most unfavorable is on the TRX (trc20) network.

oddio cosa è sta roba?? è un'altra graduatoria?
qualcuno di buon cuore ha voglia di spiegarmi?

Resumindo... é mais um estilo USDT, mas do Bitcoin. 

Um token par do BTC, que a pessoa usa para diversas finalidades, que no final nada tem haver com o BTC.

Sim... e não...

É verdade que no uso corrente é praticamente só na Europa, mas já existe muitos negocios internacionais que usam o Euro como moeda de referencia em vez do dolar.

O Euro continua a ser a segunda moeda mais negociada e usada como reserva.

Mais alguns detalhes aqui: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_status_and_usage_of_the_euro

hey i can only bet maximum of 80$  per bet ? is this due to bankroll ?

My reason for putting the randomness at the final voting stage was an attempt to lessen the impact of the colluding - and yeah my suggestion might not completely resolve it, just like your keeping voting in as the final stage still seems to leave advantage for colluding, and perhaps even would help the colluding to be on fewer pizzas, so less diluted if if ends up focusing on fewer pizzas.   


Randomness and diluting the monetary incentive by having more winners.. that way the spirit of participation and even  trying to make something that guys remember.. even though surely some might get badly motivated by money and status... so it may be difficult to create some potentially neutral ways of still allowing for winners..but to dilute and/or disincentivize cheating.. and  it is not easy to identify some ways it could still work to inspire participating.. and 144 pizza submissions is not a bad thing. 

Mas, eles estão em terceiro lugar porque?
Porque são o segundo país com mais população do mundo (que até a poucos anos eram o primeiro)? Ou estão porque é usado mundialmente?

Acho que essa posição é pelo uso interno, e não pelo o uso internacional. O que eles querem é o uso internacional. Algo difícil.

A ideia surgiu justamente do fascínio inicial que muitos têm ao entender como o Bitcoin funciona. Quando se percebe que os fundos estão protegidos apenas por uma chave privada, um número entre 1 e 2^256, é natural imaginar o que aconteceria se tentássemos "acertar" algumas dessas chaves. Mas o projeto vai além disso, a proposta inicial não é encontrar fundos, o que é praticamente impossível, mas sim mostrar de forma prática a vastidão do espaço de chaves, ensinar como seeds são derivadas, como funcionam os BIPs, como os endereços são derivados, e reforçar a segurança matemática do protocolo, é um projeto educacional e, com sorte, também um convite à curiosidade e aprendizado técnico.

Até o momento tenho somente o contador, que já vou liberar o link para vocês acessarem, mas a ideia é acrescentar conteúdos educacionais e explicativos como um blog, além de abrir o repositório do código do projeto em breve.

Ainda estou enfrentando alguns problemas de infraestrutura, então pode acontecer de acessarem e não ter nenhum número na dashboard, pretendo resolver eles o quanto antes para voltar focar 100% no desenvolvimento em si, mas segue o link para matarem a curiosidade.
https://seedhunt.io

Obs: O repositório também trago aqui quando estiver com tudo organizado, tenho muita coisa para documentar, alterar, explicar/responder e criar algumas páginas no site em si.


Você tem razão. A chance é absurdamente pequena, e seria mais fácil encontrar um átomo específico no universo do que uma chave com saldo. Mas é justamente essa a beleza: o projeto evidencia o quão confiável é o sistema.


De forma resumida, sim, a computação quântica representa uma ameaça real à criptografia usada hoje pelo Bitcoin, mas ainda estamos seguros por enquanto, e já possui pesquisadores discutindo isso.

A segurança do Bitcoin hoje depende da dificuldade de resolver o problema do logaritmo discreto em curvas elípticas (ECDLP), usada tanto no ECDSA quanto no Schnorr, ambos baseados na curva "secp256k1". Com computadores clássicos levaria mais tempo que a idade do universo para quebrar uma chave, mas com um CRQC (Cryptographically Relevant Quantum Computer) rodando o algoritmo de Shor, isso poderia ser feito em horas ou dias, desde que a chave pública estivesse exposta. Mas isso ainda exige milhares de qubits estáveis, o que está longe da realidade atual.

Isso colocaria em risco:
- Fundos com chaves públicas já reveladas (endereços reutilizados, por exemplo)
- UTXOs antigos, como os da era Satoshi (que usam scripts do tipo P2PK)
- Fundos que estão em endereços do tipo Taproot (P2TR), que também expõem a chave pública

No entatno, não há nenhum computador quântico com essa capacidade hoje e a comunidade já possui algumas propostas como scripts com assinaturas Lamport, que são resistentes a ataques quânticos. A proposta BIP360 P2QRH (Pay-to-Quantum-Resistant-Hash), que sugere um novo tipo de endereço com assinaturas resistentes a ataques quânticos, baseados em algoritmos pós-quânticos aprovados pelo NIST.

Inclusive, a Microsoft anunciou recentemente que o Windows 11 já passará a adotar criptografia pós-quântica (baseada no algoritmo CRYSTALS-Kyber, também selecionado pelo NIST) a partir da build 27852.
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/blog/microsoft-security-blog/post-quantum-cryptography-comes-to-windows-insiders-and-linux/4413803
https://dig.watch/updates/microsoft-adds-quantum-resistant-encryption-to-windows-11

O que está em jogo é mais do que técnica, existe um dilema ético e filosófico, se um CRQC aparecer, os fundos vulneráveis deveriam ser queimados (burn) ou deixados disponíveis para serem roubados (steal) por quem tiver acesso à tecnologia?

Para quem quiser ler mais a fundo os aspectos técnicos, riscos e caminhos de mitigação, saiu esse relatório recente que foi publicado:
Bitcoin and Quantum Computing: Current Status and Future Directions https://chaincode.com/bitcoin-post-quantum.pdf

O que é esse gráfico? M1?

Esse outro site aqui mostra a China disparada no topo:


Fonte: https://fiatmarketcap.com/

US$ 45 trilhões (2x ouro)

He is gone now from the top list, but I saw him listed for a long time.
I tried moving up with new game Retro Poker but I didnt have luck to mage any big wins.
Did anyone win Royal Flush on Retro Poker with 500x or 1250x ?

Only if randomness can be proven, and I think we already have a nice tool for that made by member Bitmover:
https://bitcoindata.science/giveaway-manager/

It's much easier to create discord account than bitcointalk account, so it was much easier tho cheat back than.
Current voting system is better but we can see similar behavior when money is involved.

Sim, é verdade, somos uma potência em relação a apostas
Acho que somos o segundo ou terceiro país que mais aposta no mundo 

Temos tópicos ótimos pra quem gosta de futebol, temos do campeonato brasileiro, libertadores, sulamericana, e até do campeonato português que o Joker criou
É legal fazer uma fezinha nos jogos, fica mais emocionante pra assistir 


Se entrar pelo link da assinatura entra direto, depois faz o teste e me avisa se funcionou

Capaz... devíamos solicitar a gerência do forum para abrir uma sub-forum só de gambling aqui na nossa aba local só pra ver no que ia dar.  

Eu vi uma notícia de que mesmo com a regulação das bets, o povo indo apostar em casas de apostas não regulamentadas e o governo puto com isso kkkk eu acho é pouco.

Até esses dias eu estava acessando a BC.Game normalmente, sem usar VPN, acessando pelo link do ratinho.

Sim... essa sua preocupação é válida dado a situação atual dela de "semi-centralização"... que na real já é muito melhor do que muitas instituições financeiras que temos
Para cada saque é necessário 11 assinaturas pelo menos, e as chaves são constantemente trocadas para o caso de alguma assinatura ser comprometida.

E o intuito é expandir isso para centenas de nós, de forma que qualquer um consiga ser um validador com garantia em BTC... parece que eles teriam suporte para suportar até 10.000 nós.

Em um primeiro momento, acho justo eles iniciarem com uma rede pequena, controlada (no bom sentido) por players de boa reputação e irem aumentando isso gradativamente.


A vantagem vem de encontro com o comentário do @sabotag3x...
RSK Tem ponte com custódia centralizada (2-way peg), o que pode ser visto como risco de censura
Liquid: Também é uma rede fechada entre membros da federação.
Botanix: Inicia com 16 nós confiáveis, mas exige 11/16 para autorizar saques; há penalidades fortes se trapacearem, e tem o plano de abrir a rede para milhares de nós no futuro

É verdade. Mas se aumentar o uso é a circulação da moeda, tendencialmente haverá uma valorização.

Uma moeda muito usada, acaba por gerar valor.

No final o que eles querem é que a sua moeda se torne a terceira mais usada no mundo.

você costuma usar o twitter?
ainda falam bastante de web 3 por lá

eu gosto do termo justamente pq ele engloba o guarda-chuva inteiro de criptomoedas (btc e alts), nfts, defi, sintetiza tudo
posso falar criptomoedas mas aí não parece que estou falando de NFTs
posso falar DeFI mas aí estaria incluindo coisas novas como kaito?
que outro termo engloba liquidity pools estilo uni v3 e bitcoin? desconheço.


se eventualmente você colocar todos os ovos no mesmo cesto é melhor vigiar esse cesto com muita atenção.

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interessante ver esse posicionamento de um gestor maior, já venho falando desde 2020 que é uma insensatez não ter exposição à crypto, em breve essa visão será consenso (e aí inevitavelmente o upside será menor do que atualmente)

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I almost forgot about it, I haven't received it on my account either

Sir, it's been almost 10 days, but I haven't received any reward in my account.

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বরাবরের মতন আবারো নতুন আরেকটি মাসের একটিভিটি রিপোর্ট উন্মোচন করার জন্য চলে আসলাম। এ বছরে এপ্রিল মাসে তাদের একটিভিটি এর অবস্থা ভালো ছিল কিন্তু পরবর্তীতে শুধু নিচের দিকে নামতে শুরু করতেছে যদিও এর আগের মাসে একটা ভালো রিপোর্ট পেয়েছিলাম কিন্তু এ মাসে একটিভিটি একদমই কমে গিয়েছে সেই সাথে সাথে মেরিট আর্নিং অনেকাংশই কমে গিয়েছে।  তাছাড়া এই মাস সম্পর্কে আর বিস্তারিত কোন কিছু বলার নাই।

নিচে বিস্তারিত ডাটা গুলো চার্টের মাধ্যমে তুলে ধরা হলো।

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জুন  মাসের  টোটাল পোস্ট হয়েছে           = 120টি

এবং  মেরিট ট্রানজেকশন হয়েছে                = 37টি

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মে  মাসের  টোটাল পোস্ট হয়েছে           = 184টি

এবং  মেরিট ট্রানজেকশন হয়েছে                = 64টি


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2. Bd officer [14]
3. LDL [14]
4. DYING_S0UL [13]
5. Nothingtodo [10]
6. Shishir99 [9]
7. God Of Thunder [7]
8. Wonder Work [7]
9. Z_MBFM [6]
10. Royal Cap [4]

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Yeah, your name mostly appears in daily races and it seems that you really enjoy L0tt0 games and love to be part of that daily race. Hope that in next few days or weeks you may secure 1st position in the race. Yeah, the new Quick Pick is quite improved, so it will be totally worth it to try that one.

I haven't been that active lately, so I had to consult the latest archives ^{[thanks to Wayback Machine]} to notice all of the changes and it looks great compared to what it was last month, but I noticed those changes aren't reflecting on the following pages ^{[I'm sure it's not a cached issue from my end]}:

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Checked out the redesign of Quick Pick and it looks quite amazing! Also found Bitmover at 5th rank on daily race.

Ou não, muitos desses vips, fizeram suas doações quando o BTC não valia muita coisa, meados de 2012 -13 -14 e por aí vai. É bem plausível que alguns deles acabaram vendendo seus bTCs ou saíram desse mercado ou retornaram mas estão na mesma hierarquia social em BTCs do que nós 

Mas sim, boa parte da lista devem ser multi-milionários em BTC. Parece que boa parte (eu não reconheci nenhum_), nem é mais ativa no forum.

Vi que na lista não há nenhum user conhecido brasileiro, estamos mal-representados haahah (não que eu ligue pra nacionalidades).

É incrível, esse governo do PT só faz merda cara, não tomam uma única decisão correta e quando perdem para o congresso (Congresso derruma aumento do IOF), eles pedem uma ajudinha do ministros dos STF, os caras trabalham sempre pra aumentar imposto, nunca pra corte de gastos, é sempre aumento de imposto.

Será que eles não pensam nas consequências disso na próxima eleição? Estão tão confiantes de que o povo tornará a eleger essa turmada toda?

É muito mau-caratismo!

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Notifying the regulars:
This event is open for everyone. If you want to be added in the list then let me know after this post.

Bereits Gestern hat theymos wieder ein mal das Neue Update der Default Trust 1 Liste rausgebracht für den Monat Juli !
Dafür waren 120 Benutzer berechtigt.

Original Beitrag von theymos : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117330.msg65539893#msg65539893


Alte Default Trust 1 Liste :

Neue Default Trust 1 Liste :

Wieder mit dabei aus dem Deutschen Bereich sind dieses mal : bullrun2024bro , efialtis , 1miau , Lakai01 , Real-Duke , willi9974 , d5000 und meine wenigkeit.
Glaube das kann sich sehen laßen auch wenn wir schon mal mehr waren.

Hier das genaue Update und Übersicht von LoyceV:

Theymos reshuffled DT1.

Removed:
     1. Administrator theymos (Trust: +31 / =1 / -1) (13356 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Legendary joker_josue (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (5388 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Legendary wwzsocki (Trust: +10 / =2 / -0) (1508 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Legendary gbianchi (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (2150 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Staff dbshck (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (625 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Legendary stompix (Trust: neutral) (6232 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Legendary Buchi-88 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (2006 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary BitcoinPenny (Trust: #  +51 / =3 / -5) (1246 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary yahoo62278 (Trust: +37 / =2 / -0) (3801 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary bitbollo (Trust: +16 / =0 / -0) (3250 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary zazarb (Trust: +22 / =1 / -0) (548 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Legendary LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (10569 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Legendary BitcoinGirl.Club (Trust: +1 / =7 / -1) (1815 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Legendary ekiller (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (715 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Legendary Jet Cash (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (1980 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Legendary buwaytress (Trust: +28 / =0 / -0) (3376 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Legendary Kryptowerk (Trust: +51 / =0 / -0) (1158 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Legendary RaltcoinsB (Trust: neutral) (1199 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Copper Member shahzadafzal (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (3144 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Legendary cryptofrka (Trust: +17 / =0 / -0) (2120 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Legendary abhiseshakana (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (2313 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Legendary The Cryptovator (Trust: +20 / =1 / -0) (2318 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Hero Member mendace (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (626 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Legendary Lachrymose (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (1176 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Added:
     1. Administrator Cyrus (Trust: +24 / =0 / -0) (2370 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Legendary vizique (Trust: +37 / =0 / -0) (644 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Legendary jeremypwr (Trust: +55 / =2 / -0) (5487 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Hero Member hybridsole (Trust: +20 / =0 / -0) (303 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Global Moderator hilariousandco (Trust: +28 / =2 / -0) (1775 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Legendary irfan_pak10 (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (670 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Legendary klarki (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (3644 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Copper Member crwth (Trust: +3 / =2 / -0) (1045 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary Vispilio (Trust: +1 / =3 / -3) (1457 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary hugeblack (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (4127 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary El duderino_ (Trust: +27 / =2 / -0) (14236 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Legendary JeromeTash (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (1214 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Legendary Maus0728 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (1572 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Legendary TheBeardedBaby (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (3190 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Legendary tvplus006 (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (2226 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Legendary bitmover (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (6700 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Legendary madnessteat (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (2604 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Legendary notblox1 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1399 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Legendary YOSHIE (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (1824 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Hero Member inspace (Trust: +4 / =2 / -0) (803 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Legendary efialtis (Trust: +24 / =0 / -0) (1528 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Legendary geophphreigh (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (1098 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Legendary Etranger (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (1599 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Legendary paid2 (Trust: +11 / =1 / -0) (3696 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Congrats bitmover that shows that consistent joining will result something.

But for me no luck last week as I didn't hit the required multiplier and having rough week on Betfury.


There's instances that it will really happen that's why proper assessment on the situation is needed. If they are still enjoying and don't care if either they win or lose those allocated budget they have then its fine. But if they are not really doing well and been in stressful condition each spin they made I guess that indicates that they need to quit.

I didn't end up well last week and decide to rest and I really believe that is best action to do rather than coming back then think about chasing some wins.

This month 120 users were eligible.

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I think that it is some kind of cashback policy and that you may have an additional lower 10% in some future swaps if you access it as a registered user. Registration is probably for the reason that there would be some kind of insight into your other transactions.
I did several exchanges here, but I didn't notice anything about this reduction, although I didn't even consider whether I was entitled to such a bonus.

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Perhaps the implementation of a fixed value (minimum or maximum) based on the percentage, could be a solution.

For example, 2.5% where the minimum would be 1$ and the maximum would be 10$.
That way everyone had a better idea of the value of the fees involved.

Aqui tem o Trump em vídeo falando sobre o tema..

Repórter: Você vai deportar o Elon Musk?
Trump: Não sei, acho que vamos ter que dar uma olhada.

Fonte: https://g1.globo.com/mundo/noticia/2025/07/01/vamos-ter-que-dar-uma-olhada-nisso-diz-trump-sobre-possibilidade-de-deportar-elon-musk.ghtml

também acho que é só falação e os dois estão perdendo com isso.. não entendi porque voltaram com a briga.

Resposta do Musk:


Estão falando até em estatizar a SpaceX fonte: https://x.com/hoje_no/status/1930914804291485938

Bizarro demais.

Activity Week#8 finale result (Includes Poker #2):
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I will post Weekly Activity #9 later today shortly. Stay in touch.

Another lucky week... Thanks Royse..

See review link below
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5276159.msg65538843#msg65538843

Actually, looking here, when making the exchange, I sent $74.99 of LTC and I would receive ETH 0.02913306 (quoted on the site $2438.69), after moving on to the stage of sending the funds, I was informed that I would receive ETH 0.0291308 ($71.04).

A difference of $3.95 or 2.96% of the value in my case.

Interestingly, this method is cheaper than withdrawing directly from CEX, even though the network fee has been at a very low level lately.
Did you perhaps do a complete calculation, taking all parameters into account?

It is very possible that he meant a withdrawal fee like the one that traditional CEX has, but here they are absent and it is only a regular network fee when sending coins.

Por mim, não vai fazer diferença nenhuma!!!
Eu usava ela no início para gerenciar a minha NanoS, mas logo que vi que estavam transformando aquilo em uma "exchange" e abrindo funcionalidades para outros recursos, fiquei com um pé atrás e com isso comecei a utilizar ela integrado à Electrum para transações mais simples. Até porque eu havia parado de ficar instalando e removendo wallets dela.

Enfim.... a função de swap pode ser cômoda, mas as taxas de lá não me agradam

O equipamento também não vai parar de funcionar. O novo software é que já não o suporta.

Enfim, são normais esses ciclos. Julgo que eles nunca dizerem que iriam dar suporte para sempre. Nem eles nem as outras empresas da área.

Se a tecnologia vai evoluindo é o equipamento está parado e não pode evoluir, mais cedo ou mais tarde, vai deixar de ser viável a sua utilização.

Where did you see the information about fees? The website doesn't mention the fee charged during the swap process, or it may have appeared at some point during the exchange and I didn't pay attention.

In my case, I exchanged LTC for ETH, I could withdraw ETH directly from the CEX, but I would have to pay an absurd amount in ETH network fees, convert ETH to LTC and then withdraw it to my wallet, then converting LTC to ETH on CCE seemed more advantageous than withdrawing ETH directly from CEX.

I'm not saying that the fee doesn't matter, like any service in its initial stage, it can improve by listening to user feedback.

2.5% is much cheaper than losing 100% on a centralized exchange dump

2.5% is a high, but it may be acceptable, plus a lot depends on what exchange rate that 2.5% is.

I am more of a supporter of lower fees being regular, not only for certain users. Maybe there is already a discount for users of some other platform, which would force me to use some other forums that I'm not even interested in.

I don't think they will go that far as supporting Taproot and Silent Payments. Besides, if those two features are important to someone, there are better software choices than a multicurrency wallet like Coinomi. A Bitcoin-only wallet would be a better choice. However, all this is pretty experimental still, with some wallets being in beta and others offering only sending but not receiving capabilities.

Coinomi was allegedly open-source up until 2016/2017. They claim to have gone closed-source to "protect their users from getting scammed." I managed to find this tweet of theirs that mentions it. I am sure there are older references.

Onde você leu isso?

Pelo que entendi vai continuar funcionando normalmente.

This is not encouraging information. AML verification is one of the reasons why the use of this exchange is being considered at all. I would not be surprised if the problem is that they have few people available for user support, and the AML check additionally requires the time and work of the operator, because it involves manual work.

I compared their pair rate to Binance, and I must say that it is quite competitive, especially when you take into account the ease of exchange and the avoidance of withdrawal fees.

Olha... ue entendo os dois lados

Pra quem gosta de "brincar" com cripto, ter um limitador de 2 coins na ledger é muuuuito chato.
A HW foi feita pra trazer segurança sem abrir mão da comodidade, pois conhemos que nem mesmo uma Nano S custou barato, certo? Aí precisar ficar instalando e desinstalando APP sempre que você for usar é chato pra caramba... eu passei por isso quando a minha começou a ter essa limitação e entendo a frsutração.

Por outro lado... entendo também que é possível manter a Ledger apenas como um "cofre" para armazenar o valor mais grosso. Instala nela a wallet X e põem $ 1kk lá, bota a Y e mais $ 5kkk , intala depois a Z e guarda os 10kkkkk 

Por fim, deixa em uma hotwallet no PC um saldinho pra brincar diariamente, sem precisar ficar colocando a mão na ledger.
Ah não é legal? Bom... nesse caso então tu vai precisar por a mão no bolso e comprar algo mais atualizado.
A tecnologia hoje evolui rápido, e para um dispositivo que já completou quase 10 anos, não se pode exigir muito, não é?

Mas, isso foi o que falamos antes.

O problema esta sempre, no momento da venda, nunca na compra.

Se nunca comprou, como tem DEPIX? Se comprou uma quantidade, e vendeu mais tarde o dobro, como conseguiu esse DEPIX?
Se é 1:1, nunca há lucro ou ganho.

Mas, nesse caso, é o cidadão vai ter de explicar. Como vai fazer isso? Já é outra conversa...

Como as regras de consenso podem afetar a Ledger não atualizada? O que faria o Electrum deixar de permitir ligar à Ledger e confirmar transações?




É preciso que a Electrum, simplesmente diga que já não aceita as transações aprovadas pela Ledger.
A minha pergunta é: o que levaria a Electrum não aceitar isso?

Cada wallet é independente, logo usar a wallet (desatualizada) da Ledger, só afeta essa wallet. E como sempre vai haver garantias de utilização de todos os endereços, vai continuar-se a usar tudo normal.



Sinceramente, não vejo nada logico de isso possa vir acontecer. Mas, talvez me esteja a escapar algo raciocínio...

A Electrum vai continuar atualizar-se, mas isso não significa que ela não continua a suportar uma versão antiga de alguma hardware wallet.
Só se essa wallet tornar-se um perigo para o Electrum, coisa que é extremamente improvável.

Agora, se a Ledger caso não seja atualizada, deixa de suportar algum novo tipo endereço, isso é outra questão. Mas, isso depois já é uma questão de cada utilizador.
Consegues usar o tipo de endereços que suportar na altura, os outros não.

Mas, de certa forma é isso que já acontece. A maioria das wallet suportam todos os tipos de endereço, mas algumas hardware wallet mais antigas e que foram descontinuadas, provavelmente alguns não suportam. Apesar de seguirem a funcionar.


Eu nem tenho a app da Ledger instalada, por isso tem de haver uma mudança radical, para eventualmente pensar em fazer alguma atualização.