I meant that you and everyone who wants a secure post-quantum address will have to make a transaction to those new types of wallet addresses.

Not that the people with quantum computers will hack the coins and transfer them.

I observed some people are picking already picked numbers, so that is why I have taken my time to compile the names and numbers already picked as below to help people while making their selection as this raffle is closing tomorrow.


@knuckey, pick another number as 66 has already been picked by someone.
@Kadelvibess, pick another number as 25 has already been picked by someone.

I have to say that the work that Claude is doing lately is truly noteworthy, i don't know what you use it for but i can assure you that it's not just for coding, in fact i have to say that lately it's evolving a lot and they're dismantling many dogmas, things that we thought could never happen, simply incredible.

You're welcome. We're patiently waiting as everyone understands that you're a busy person. We hope to have something better as you do always. We hope to have it sooner than even next week if your schedule permits. [
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When I see in the Local Board Post Race that at the end of the month we Nigerians are in the top position because of making the highest number of posts, it really feels good. Even though being at the top is not something new for our board, staying there by making the highest number of posts gives our Nigerian board a special kind of recognition. We need to keep this consistency going and maintain our identity by continuing to create high-quality posts.
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I would ascribe this success to the effect of this monthly update that we receive from Amphenomenon here because it prepares one's mind to work harder in the following months and thereby having a good place in the meta section from Bitmover. It is a collective effort and we must uphold the record monthly.

Thanks for the kind words and the push to make an even better job. My final target is to convince you and other users that using my theme rather than the traditional, classic theme is a compelling necessity!

I'm used to accepting Bitcoin for selling signature codes, and honestly, I'm not too concerned about short-term volatility. I think it's rare for someone to need liquidity faster than the average confirmation time just to procure new inventory of digital goods.

You're right about that, and it's very problematic. I recently had to accept USDT on the Tron network because he thought it was the cheapest, and I agreed. The problem was, my client sent it from an exchange that generally offers low fees, and I received it to a self-custody address that hadn't yet made any transactions. I had to sacrifice up to $4 in energy rentals. That really gave me a bad impression.

You have gone so far already, unlike me that is still back back. But I'm actually hoping to play more games today so that I can at least increase my points, because I still have some few dollars left. Last time I was lucky to have won only $10 and I try doubling the money by making some bets but unfortunately I lost everything and it was a little bit painful though.

But this time, I will try my best to increase my points so that I can win something good, but I will try not to allow the game take control of me just because I want to increase my points, once the few dollar I have in my account finishes, I will just quit and wait for the results.

Wishing every participants good luck though.

Você acha que os gringos não estão aproveitando esses juros altíssimos para fazer carry trade?

Toma euro emprestado a 2,15% ao ano (ou iene, dolar, outra moeda) e compra dívida do governo brasileiro pagando 14,5%..

Pesquisei um pouco e encontrei esse artigo mencionando uma análise do Bank of America:


Com o Trump enfraquecendo o dólar, também é dificil ver o real cair..

Não... é apenas uma forma de cobrar mais uma taxas. Talvez com a desculpa que serve para cobrir os custos de manutenção.

Nesse respeito de portagens (pedágio), posso falar sobre a minha experiencia em 4 países europeus: Portugal; um pouco de Espanha, França, Inglaterra.

Em Inglaterra, já fiz mais de 2000km de estrada e nunca paguei portagem, com estradas com qualidade. Apenas passei ao lado de uma via, que tem portagem, mas dá para fazer um caminho mais longo sem portagem.

Espanha, praticamente não há portagem em praticamente lado nenhum. Pelo menos já fui de Portugal até França e nunca paguei portagem. Na zona mais norte, sei que existe algumas vias com portagem.

França, paga! Fiz poucos km em França, mas nos 400km que fiz, paguei um absurdo em portagens.

Portugal, bem praticamente todas as autoestradas tem portagens. Recentemente retiraram de algumas do interior, apos vários anos de protestos. Mas, para entrar em Lisboa, via as principais pontes, paga uns 3-4€ em portagem. Se andar nas autoestradas circulares de Lisboa, paga portagem. Se viajar entre as principais cidades - Lisboa <> Porto - vai ter de pagar quase 30€ em portagens (em cada sentido).

Alternativas? Sim, pode ir de comboio Lisboa-Porto, o bilhete de ida e volta anda ao mesmo preço e demora o mesmo tempo de carro ou mais. Ir de avião pode ser opção, mas custa uns 100€, e com todo o processo de segurança demora o mesmo tempo.

Mas, não sou contra a portagem. Quem anda nessas vias, é que tem de pagar a sua manutenção. Salvo casos sem nenhuma alternativa, como é o caso das pontes de Lisboa, que obrigam milhares de pessoas que trabalham na capital a ter de pagar portagem todos os dias.

Entao me explica a questão da felicidade. Porque no primeiro mundo vc anda na rua e ve a morte na cara de muita pessoa? Nao to dizendo timidez ou falta de ambulantes, to dizendo literalmente que tem gente apagada que eu nem queria dar um bom dia por erro.

So alguns interiores de la que se salvam e ainda tem o problema que a idade media la é facilmente acima dos 50

Eu tenho uma resposta mas sendo que nao tem base economica é difícil comentar aqui aonde por muita gente tudo se resume em "maior PIB per capita".

Talvez so nos EUAs encontrei uma energia+economia um pouco melhor que no norte da Italia aonde vivi por mto tempo

Just that Bitz wasn't aware of the baby day, else you would have seen a post like;
Today is world' baby day, here in bitz, we bring you fun and you can claim sum SATS and bet on the number of babies you will have
I like bitz, and because of their updates, I never miss to visit this ANN thread.

That is the life of a whale, you can lose all and still have a way to bounce back

Gente... licença de novo, mas na Italia eu falo com propriedade, morei mais de 20 anos ai e:

Os tamanhos sao diferentes, e na Italia não ha regiao amazônica. Se compararem EU/Brasil ainda assim é visível como o leste europeo ta mais atrasado e isso considerando que o EU é um centro economico interessante, o Brasil geograficamente se coloca bem distante de tudo.

Na Italia é toda rodovia expressa privatizada. E como o disse com preço la encima. Tem so a exceção relevante da Salerno Reggio Calabria. O resto é pago, e caro.

Sobre o artigo eu diria que direção defensiva salva muitas vidas, inclusive a minha. Rodei em muita estrada feia e tbm nao vou mentir, diferente da Italia não rodo de noite aonde nao conheço e sempre dou uma ida mais cautelosa nas novas ruas para identificar os buracos. É um atraso mas nao acho tudo isso de problema.

Dito isso. Nao quero romantizar a pobreza, so que nesses anos a reflexão que faço vendo Italia, Brasil, recentemente EUAs e outros países do bloco europeo é a seguinte:

Tem gente que com menos consegue mais felicidade aparente, se existe uma base de sustento minima (nem que seja uma casa de madeira no interior). Vao passar muito problema, saude, escola, etc... Mas nao posso esconder que é estranho rodar nas economias mais evoluídas, por ex. New York, ou uma realidade que conheço muito bem, Milano, e ver a maioria das caras cinzentas e fechadas. Nao deveria estar cercado de gente ao apice da carreira, feliz de ir ao trabalho e de ganhar acima da media?

Eu também estou, o brasil não é um lugar pra vc conquistar bens, construir família e carreira.
Na primeira oportunidade, tem que sair daqui.

Mesmo quando o bolsonaro ganhou em 2018, todo mundo imaginava que o PT tinha acabado, lula foi preso, mas aí veio a pandemia e o sistema se aproveitou de tudo que pôde pra destruir o governo, o sistema se reorganizou, bolsonaro foi bonzinho demais, a verdade dói mas é essa. Em 2018 ninguém imaginava que teriamos um descondenado na presidência e que todo esquema de corrupção voltaria mais forte do que nunca, com censura, autoritarismo, presos políticos, inflação e gastos sem teto, criminalidade nas alturas.

Nao digo o metro, mas a malha rodoviaria depois do DF vindo do norte (no caso Goiás, minas, SP, paraná ate chegar em SC aonde conseguir dirigir) eu achei bem digna

Eu rodei bastante em outros países e tirando parte de US e Alemanha que a estrada é boa e gratis, vc nao encontra muita coisa boa e gratis nos outros lugares. Um que eu conheço bem: Italia. Para fazer 800 KM vc paga 70 euros. Isso num pais que nao ha salario minimo e aonde o salario medio fica muito estagnado (diferente do BR aonde vc nem vai pensar de pagar rodovia se ganha 1500 reais, mas se ganhar muito mais que isso, o que acontece, o pedagio vai ficar muito menos pesado em proporção)

Oh now it makes sense to me. I didn't know that wallets have that checks built in. This is probably why my transaction was blocked instead of just giving a warning. This is basically a protection mechanism to prevent one from burning their coins on transaction fees accidentally.


So dust is basically a relay policy and not a concensus rule if I am correct. This means the protocol itself doesn't care if I send a little amount (considered dust) but the majority of nodes won't approve it.


This is the part I was getting wrong before. So in theory, I can run my own node with dust relay fees as 0 and mine my own block to approve it but practically, finding a miner that'll accept it is impossible unless I have a connection.

Now assuming I broadcast a dust transaction to my own node and a miner include it, does that make the UTXO spendable forever? Will other nodes see it as a valid if it appears in a block even if they haven't relay it before?
From everything I have read here I feel like there is no perfect solution. It's either you pay fees now to consolidate or you risk getting stuck in the future.
I'm more concerned now because I read some old posts as far back as 2017 where people were trapped with this dust of a thing after the fee spike and it cost them more than what the coins were worth. Thank you all for interesting feedback.

Yeah, the admin is trying to be more reactive to big events that happen. But it would be much better if they also consider hiring an extra reply guy on X. Because that's how X marketing works nowadays. Appearing on viral posts or well-known X figures' posts that are still related to gambling directly and indirectly. For example, on official X accounts of UCL, EPL, etc. But as long as sports betting does not exist on VegaBet yet, that strategy will be difficult to work. Unless you find a better way to knit the reply posted with the game available on VegaBet.




$500 weekly prize pool. You should check out their Discord channel https://discord.gg/GNyuHCWYaj, so you can see the rules. The clip needs to be submitted through that Discord channel too.

It is better to have stable income rather than not having stable income, even though having stable income is not a prerequisite for getting started buying up bitcoin and even buying bitcoin on a regular basis.

At the same time, it does not seem very likely or easy for anyone to really sustain buying bitcoin for extended periods or even to have an investment timeline that is 4-10 years or longer if he is not figuring out ways to try to either get regular income or perhaps to get high income when he is working - otherwise he may well be investing from his savings (ie reserve funds), which may well end up running out if income does not come in on a regular enough basis to buttress up whatever funds the guy had been using to buy bitcoin.

For sure, sometimes guys have regular income that is not adequate, yet if they are not able to get higher paying jobs, then they have to deal with what they have, and try to figure out ways to increase their income so that they end up having extra income to be able to invest into bitcoin in such a way that they will be able to build and hold their bitcoin for 4-10 years or longer, and yeah, many times, the timeline would end up playing out to be 10 years or longer, since it tends to take so much time to build up a bitcon stash.. and guys who have shorter than 10 year investment timelines may well be guys who are older or have health issues - otherwise we should be trying to consider bitcoin as a kind  of life time investment that we need to maintain some level of bitcoin holdings, and better if we can build our bitcoin holdings up to a decently good size through ongoing buying techniques... unless we might have some abilities to front load our bitcoin investment, which would also be a good thing for guys who are able to accomplish front loading of their bitcoin stash and cutting down on some of the time that it may well otherwise take if they are merely having to build from their regular income (and their discretionary funds) that tend to be difficult for many guys to even be in a position to be able to ongoingly invest more than 10% of their income into bitcoin (of course from their discretionary funds)..


what I frequently suggest is that anyone who is going to get distracted into trading and/or shitcoins, then hopefully they are not engaging in such conduct with more than 10% of the time, value and energy that they are putting into bitcoin.

Of course, you can do what you want and to figure out your maximums how you like, even if we are not talking about trading and/or shitcoins in this thread.

Another thing that I discuss, for guys who might be getting at or near their overaccumulation status, there might be ways to start to employ price based sustainable withdrawal.. but yeah, it can be harder to justify if guys had not reached overaccumulation status - and I will even admit that my own definition of overaccumulation status had changed over they years so I hate to be too over judgemental if some guys might end up putting 1-2 years or more of the size of their income (or their expenses) into bitcoin in less than 4 years or otherwise front loaded their investment into bitcoin with significant amounts of value, perhaps reallocating from other investments that they might have or if they might otherwise come accross a lot of money by inheritance or winning the lottery or some other kinds of great accumulation of wealth that might have had contributed to their decision to front load a lot of value into bitcoin in a short period of time.

Let's say, for example, a guy had been investing around $100 per week into bitcoin between early 2020 and early 2023, and so he had invested around $17k, and accumulated right around 0.92 BTC. Maybe the guy had an income that was around $30k per year. 

Let's say that all of a sudden, in early 2023 (maybe around the time of your forum registration in April) the guy discovered that he had had received $100k inheritance, so then maybe over 2023, he may end up investing all or most of that $100k into bitcoin, and he continued with his $100 per week DCA too, adn maybe he would buy some BTC right away with the $100k, and then DCA some of it over the next six months, and maybe buy on the dip with some of it over  the next 6 months, too, and so maybe with that extra $100k and with his regular DCA he ended up accumulating another 4.2 BTC by Novemeber 2023..

So by November 2023, he had accumulated a total of 0.92 BTC and 4.52 BTC, which would be 5.44 BTC, yet maybe the guy still was not sure if he had enough bitcoin, and so between November 2023 and now he continued to accumulate $100 per week of bitcoin which caused him another $13k invested and another 0.2 BTC .. so now he has 5.64 BTC.. and maybe he is starting to feel that he has enough bitcoin. Perhaps?

Whether he might want to trade with some of it, or continue to accumulate more is optional.  Perhaps when he started buying bitcoin in 2020, he was in his mid-30s, and so now he is around 43 years old, and so he is not very old, but he is not sure if he has enough to stop working.. so maybe he does still need to continue to accumulate bitcoin for a few more years, even though he was very fortunate in how much bitcoin he had been able to accumulate in a relatively short period of time, relative to his income he was able to invest around 4x his income in around 6 years.. .so that gives him more options, even though it might not be a good idea to try to trade much if any of it (or to get involved in shitcoins would be even dumber).
 
By the way, right now, 5.64 BTC would allow the guy to withdraw at around $34k per year in a sustainable way, so he would be able to quit his job and replace his current income, even though he may well want to either accumulate more or to just create a bit more of a cushion, so maybe not quitting his job until his quantity of bitcoin would allow him to support around a $60k per year sustainable income with a 7% raise in dollar terms each year.

Guys have to make these kinds of choices and make sure that they are also comfortable with the calculation in regards to how to transition from accumulating bitcoin and into starting to withdraw from their bitcoin stash.

Yes, but if I frequently interact with charts like this, I might need to do more eye exercises. 
But that said, once you're used to and comfortable with the various indicators and details on the chart, it'll be fine.


But to be honest, as an investor, I wouldn't include that many figures because my goal is to invest for the long term. So, just pay attention to what coin I want and send it to my hardware wallet. Keep it and let it be for a few years later until the bull run comes.

é um completo absurdo esse tanto de gente que recebe o bolsa família, claro, existem situações de pessoas e familias que realmente que são bem graves e que precisam disso até para ter o que comer, até ai ok, mas 80 milhões? é um numero muito alto, chega a ser bizarro, eu acho que qualquer família que tenha beneficiário de programas governamentais envonvendo dinheiro deveriam ser proibidos de votar, porque é um conflito de interesses muito grande.

o gdp brasileiro è 2.5% do mundial

eu entendo que 0.5% è bem baixo mas nao è algo pra ser totalmente descartado.

outra coisa o brasil tem tamanho continental, tem partes aonde tem infraestrutura bem boa e outras totalmente carentes. Dificil generalizar e dizer que è tudo pra ser jogado fora

Hahaha you're so funny, I thought I was the only one taking note of the different tournament and games introduced by BITZ.io but I love it, I love that they're doing everything possible to keep their customers engaged by making the casino more fun/entertaining, it's a good business strategy and they should keep it up.
 I've only managed to participate in few events cause of my schedule but I loved the may day badger kebab game, it was fun and I think they should introduce more of that. Concerning the password day event I'll check it out to see what it's all about.

I don't have an idea about that as well. There could be a celebration for everything now. Few days ago, there's the baby day but bitz won't do that as gambling isn't for babies. 

I don't participate in it because I have a weak feeling that I won't be able to end up in good place. So, I'll just support you guys in that and more sats for everyone.

Isso é uma treta.
É apenas retórica para argumento de que existe crescimento mundial.

Para haver uns de primeira, tem de haver de segundo e terceira. Se ficarem todos de primeira, quem fica em segundo?

Difícilmente um país muda esse tipo de categoria...

These tournaments are great. I participated today like the first one, and am now at number 50 with 3k points. I don't have many SATS now but it will be very challenging. Anyway, I'll bet till the end, but I don't think I'll be in the top 50. But another problem is, limited to only 4 games but Plinko2 can be one of the best ways to earn points.

Good luck to everyone participants on this forum.

Acredito que havendo opções seja melhor para todos

No meu convívio vários amigos e colegas estão trabalhando e fazendo Uber, iFood, 99 e no fim das contas trabalha muito mais
Esposas também fazem algum bico, e isso é uma realidade

Acho que grandes mercados e empregadores vão acabar dando um jeito, colocando tecnologia para trabalhar, como totens de auto atendimento e mercados cada vez mais autonomos, e os pequenos irão sofrer mais
Não sei se esse é o caminho certo

Talvez a melhor pergunta para começar seria como fazer os empregadores conseguirem pagar melhores salários para os funcionários terem uma vida mais digna?
Todos nós sabemos que reduzir impostos, reduzir estado, super salários e luxos do estado já seria um enorme começo

mas convenhamos, brasil nao è botswana. È segundo mundo, nao terceiro.

Tem gente la fora que pra diversificar o portfolio inclue sim o Brasil

Pra investir na maravilhosa taxa selic que paga 1% ao mês.

Lol SATs whale? so funny... With just 10 USD you  you're now feeling like a whale
12th place is not bad. You might do better than that before it ends.
Not long ago I just used up all my SATs trying to double it, if I knew this tournament will be coming sooner I would have saved up my SATs and used them in this tournament.

It's sad I am not able to join this time around but I have started collecting SATs again and maybe before the tournament ends I will join as well and see how far I can go.

Um investimento que estou considerando seriamente é a energia nuclear. Se a inteligência artificial continuar se expandindo, haverá uma necessidade cada vez maior de energia rápida e segura. Excluindo os grandes incidentes nucleares, frequentemente mencionadas, é uma ótima forma de energia, e você também pode investir nela por meio de ETFs.

E por que alguem faria isso? 
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Aposentados recebendo dinheiro de fora, etc...

Mas imagino eu que é muito mais o dinheiro que ta saindo

Sim, num país inteiro, com mais de 200 milhões.

Eu estava a olhar para o caso de uma cidade inteira estar nessa situação.




Não dá para gerar inflação.
Mas, dá para distribuir renda.

Sou do tempo das faucet. 

This is not a promotional offer; we intend to maintain this rate for the long term. Of course, should there be any changes, we will issue an immediate announcement.

Part of the idea of overaccumulation is that you don't have to keep accumulating as long as you don't withdraw so much as to knock yourself out of overaccumulation status.

You can define those numbers however you like, even though I frequently am responding to guys who are proclaiming that there is some need to continue to accumulate after reaching overaccumulation status when there is not.

For sure, it is good to have options, yet sometimes guys will create their own cages or keep moving the goalposts.. and yeah, you can do whatever the fuck you  want, but you might be being loosey goosey in regards to what bitcoin allows guys to do once they reach overaccumulation status.. which is to completely live off of their bitcoin and to perpetually live off their bitcoin if they structure their finances correctly...

And, yeah, if they have a bit of a cushion, then it helps to make sure that they have enough or more than enough.

My example with WIYO1 was a bit of an exaggeration, since the guy had inadvertently accumulated right around 3.75x his accumulation target, and surely guys do not need to arrive at such extremes in order to still have enough or more than enough to put themselves into a status of no longer needing to ever accumulate any more bitcoin in order to sustain their lifestyle.. perhaps even 20% to 50% above their accumulation target would be enough or more than enough to provide them sufficient assurance that they have enough or more than enough.

Here is the example that I gave to WIYO1:



If the guy had an income of right around $40k, and he decided that his target was to have a perpetual income of $80k, then right now if he had accumulated 13.2212 BTC, he is right on the border of being able to achieve his goals of both $80k per year ($6,666 per month), but also a 7% per year increase in the dollar rate forever into the future... And surely, if he is not comfortable with his calculations he can accumulate more, or withdraw less or just wait some time until the withdrawal rate grows to a high enough level to cause him to be comfortable.

So I see no reason that the guy needs to continue to accumulate bitcoin once he reaches the levels unless he either made a mistake or he were to change his goals... or perhaps he doesn't know what the fuck he is doing... and I am not proclaiming that it is easy to do the calculations and to reach comfort levels in terms of really being in an overaccumulation status and being able to sustainably withdraw from the bitcoin stash without any requirement to continue to accumulate bitcoin.


Part of the reason to use the 200-WMA in order to evaluate where you are at is in order to iron out some of the volatility and to provide some cushion since the 200-WMA is a bottom indicator...  Sure the bottom is not guaranteed, yet it seems that bitcoin has been (and likely will continue to be) an asset in which you can still figure out ways to manage your holdings and to make sure you have enough and even more than enough without overly oppressing yourself.

Maybe you need go through my time-based sustainable withdrawal ideas to work out some of the ideas of valuating BTC holdings based on the 200-WMA rather than getting distracted by spot price? even though of course, we buy and sell bitcoin at spot price, even though we can figure out ways to valuate our holdings and even to engage in sustainable withdrawal.


Surely there could be some guys who reach overaccumulation status within a cycle, but not most normal people... Many times it will take at least a couple of cycles to get to overaccumulation status.. and if his circumstances are changing along the way, then he will taking those matters into account in order to determine if he reached overaccumuation status yet. 

For sure, there are a lot of examples of guys making mistakes in calculating their arrival at overaccumlation status, especially guys using spot price to valuate their holdings and perhaps not employing sufficient sustainable withdrawal amounts, once they reached a point in which they believe they have arrived at overaccumulation status.  Are you planning to make those kinds of mistakes?


I think that my system is pretty good.. and sustainable... maybe you should work through the numbers.. and of course if someone does not know what they are doing and they are calculating based on the spot price and making a large number of rookie mistakes then they probably will not be able to get into a sustainable withdrawal system.

You are making comments like you have no fucking clue, and surely if you are in your early bitcoin accumulation phases, you might not have had even worked out the numbers.. Maybe you want to project out your own various scenarios to consider possibilities?  and of course, you projections make more sense when you have been employing them for a while.

I have mentioned several times that guys who front load their bitcoin investments are much more likely to get close to getting to overaccumulation status as compared with guys who do not, yet each of us has to deal with our own abilities, and some guys cannot front load their investment, and if they are investing 5% to 10% of their income into bitcoin, then it will take them 10 to 20 years just to get 1 year income into bitcoin, so they are going to be much disadvantaged as compared with guys who might be able to invest between 15% to 25% or even more of their income into bitcoin which puts them at 4-7 years to put one year's income into bitcoin. 

We should be controlling what we can rather than what we cannot control, and each of us can figure out what we believe is best in terms of how aggressive we are able to be with our bitcoin accumulation within our own ongoing circumstances that are likely changing with the passage of time, and it can take a long ass time to both build wealth and also to recognize ways to utilize wealth that has been built without getting overly distracted into doing dumb shit along the way... and yeah, of course the outcome is not guaranteed, yet guys still have to figure out within their resources what they are going to do in order to help them to have better chances of success as compared with not... and, for sure there are all kinds of examples of guys who worked their asses off their whole life and they still ended up not being able to stop working.. .. some of that may have been due to various mistakes along the way or maybe errors in their management, and so we cannot expect to not go through various mistakes along the way, even if we might ongoingly have goals to build and to make sure that our expectations are realistic.


You still sound distracted by trading ideas, even though I am not opposed to price-based sustainable withdrawal (as I outline in my thread), which from a general perspective would allow the selling of up to 10% of the bitcoin stash every time the bitcoin price doubles, yet I think that those price based sustainable withdrawal tactics work much better if a person is no longer in his bitcoin accumulation phase... since if a guy is buying and selling at the same time, that seems to cause a wrong kind of a mindset.


It still seems a bit ambiguous what you are saying, and sure, staying away from shitcoins is good, too.


It does seem that in the earliest times of our bitcoin accumulation we may well be ongoingly buying bitcoin irrespective of price, yet perhaps after we had been accumulating for a while we might start to transition into less aggressive ongoing buys and even buying on dips instead of all of the time, which may or may not be a good idea.. Guys have to measure and of course the size of their already accumulated stash remains an ongoing relevant factor.


Bitcoin is already an asset.  It can be treated as an asset and/or as a currency and/or in other ways of being used, too.


Sure.. you are talking about store of value, scarcity and implying other sound money attributes of bitcoin that likely makes bitcoin  the soundest of monies yet known to man based on its scarcity, verifiability, ability to transport easily, divisibility low cost storage and transmission attributes and other attributes. so yeah, bitcoin has value and continues to gain in value (and price) due to more people realizing that bitcoin is the best of monies...


If you cannot figure out points in which you have enough or more than enough, then you likely have psychological issues that might have had been conditioned into you, or maybe you are broken... since it is possible to establish points in which a guy has enough and/or more than enough.

You might need some buddhist training?  perhaps?  I am not a buddhist, yet I know how to figure out various points in which I have enough or more than enough.

I even have been giving examples, and for example a guy who had started out earning $30k per year, and then he was at $40k at the point he realized that his bitcoin would support more than $80k per year of perpetual income including a 7% per year raise in the dollar amount.

If you are suggesting that you can never have enough then you are surely going to have a problem being realistic in establishing and maintaining what is over accumulation status, and perhaps you will have troubles reaching it too, since you are having troubles figuring out what it is (similar to BluebloodCXVI as I responded to him above)?

You might also have a problem with deferred gratification, which seems to be a necessary attribute for any actual investor who is not confused about the difference between investing and trading.

I enjoy playing more plinko than mines to, I also feels like mines a fast money drainer and instead of having fun we go lots of stress especially if we click the bomb.

That's why I avoid this game and just tried my luck on Plinko or even slot games if I'm totally bored then want to try multiple games.

But I see lots of people enjoy playing mines and build some great strategy on that game.

All hail the SATS whale!
He who controls and manipulates the sats market in his favor. As big as my respect for Micheal Saylor for acquiring BTC is my respect to you for acquiring sats lol.

It seems that your quick bet is going to fail because I am viewing the Chelsea - Nottingham match and Forest is leading by 3 goals. It is 86' already and Chelsea is yet to score. Most times, quick bets don't come out well.

Me too.... last week 30th place and just 15k sats. I had over $30 in sats, from drops, and the prize from the previous week (8-9 place). But Plinko 2 was a catastrophe for me... I wagered less with more funds than in previous weeks. In any case, this week I have a plan, I will play other games with sats and hopefully make some profit... if that happens, I will attack Plinko2 in the last day.

Good luck to all of us! 

$500 is good reward and what we can see base on their post is clipping campaign which it seems that we need to go or join on discord server to know the full details about this campaign.

But the problem is I cannot join on that server and it says unable to accept invite, I'm so lazy today to troubleshoot the issue and so I think I'm going to pass in this giveaway due to that situation. But for those people could able to join in their server they could try to see the details and participate on their $500 giveaway.

You may well be making different presumptions than me in terms of other investments that guys might have.  I am not trying to get caught up in discussions of other investments that guys might have, and so a lot of time in this thread, we spend talking about guys working out ways to accumulate bitcoin and to manage cash in order to get to overaccumulation status.

The stories potentially change when guys start to diversify in other assets and start to balance back and forth between other assets, and so I don't see any reason that we need to get derailed into those kinds of discussions in this thread.

Also, at some point guys might start to employ either price based or time based sustainable withdrawal, and I talk about those ideas in my sustainable withdrawal thread.  I don't see what point there is to bring up all kinds of scenarios that likely deviate from this thread, especially when it gets into balancing out with other assets, and guys can do it, but I am not interested in derailing the thread in that direction.

Maybe you want to opens some other thread if you want to discuss various diversification theories around multiple assets.  I am not opposed to those practices, yet I don't want to talk about them in this thread, since it seems to me that a bitcoin first focus is something that is needed, and if guys want to fuck around with various other assets or balancing their bitcoin holdings with various concerns around other assets, they can do that on their own and talk about it in some other place.


Guys can develop their "well-defined" strategies as they go.  Many guys who are participating in this thread and even the population as a whole seem to be having difficulties getting started in bitcoin and perhaps building their bitcoin holdings for a whole cycle or more.. so I am not interested in fucking around with various confusing strategies, and especially any needs to diversify into any other assets besides bitcoin and cash until a guy gets a good system of building and managing his bitcoin and cash, there seems no reason to dilute his cashflow into other assets or to get distracted.

Surely guys who come to bitcoin and they already have other investments, then they are likely going to include bitcoin into their portfolio and balance their bitcoin position size in accordance with those other assets, yet the truth of the matter is that an overwhelming majority of the population does not have shit for other investments, so they are likely building from scratch rather than starting with a lot of capital to front load their bitcoin investment.. and one of the great things about bitcoin is that none of us need to start with a lot of capital, and if we do have a lot of capital then we may well be able to front load our bitcoin investment and even to arrive at our target accumulation level faster than other guys, yet even if guys front load their investment, I am not going to be suggesting that their hold period is less than 4 years... and so maybe you want to fuck around with hold times that are less than 4 years, and you are more likely a trader rather than an investor, or at least you are getting away from the topic here since an overwhelming majority of normies are not in that kind of a position, so we are largely talking about the various ways of building up bitcoin holdings, and sure maybe some guys might be able to build up their bitcoin holdings faster than other and then have more options that may or may not relate to this thread or even relate to their desires to manage their bitcoin holdings within the (price based and/or time-based) sustainable withdrawal frameworks that I discuss in my sustainable withdrawal thread.


Of course, guys can do whatever the fuck they want, yet this is neither a thread about doing whatever the fuck you want or a thread about completely liquidating out of your bitcoin position, unless maybe age factors or health factors might cause a need to liquidate.

When we are talking about my investment ideas, they are largely meant to be for life and not fucking around with trading, except maybe guys who can't resist trading, they can do up to 10% of the size of their holdings in trading and/or shitcoins.

You might not even understand my own framing of the concept of overaccumulation and why it provides advantages in regards to being able to enter into sustainable withdrawal.

I see littl to no purpose for normies to spend 10 years or more accumulating a bitcoin position and then to sell all of it, unless either age or health reasons or maybe they lose confidence in the ongoing strength of bitcoin's investment thesis.

It seems to me that bitcoin has very strong underlying fundamentals that allow way greater abilities for better conditions of sustainable withdrawal than other assets, and it does not seem logical to do anything to knock oneself out of overaccumulation status once it is reached... even though of course, if a person is 2x 3x or even greater multiples of overaccumulation status, then they have more options in regards to how they manage the overaccumulated amount, including selling it (like you mentioned and to reallocate some or all of that value into other asssets).

Maybe you need an example to better illustrate the idea of overaccumulation?

Let's say for example a guy in his mid 30s came to bitcoin around 10.5 years ago, and he was making around $30k per year, and he had been investing in various traditional assets at about $100 per week (which was around 17% of his income) since around 2006, and so between 2006 an 2016, he had invested right around $50k and it had grown to be about $80k in 2016, and so he felt that he was doing pretty good when he found out about bitcoin.

In 2016, he decided to reallocate right around 25% of his already established investment portfolio into bitcoin, and to continue to invest $100 per week into bitcoin and $50 per week into his old investments (based on his having had gotten a raise to $45k per year).

So then in early 2016, he diverted $100 per week into bitcoin and he also withdrew $20k from his various other investments, and put that $20k into bitcoin.

The first $20k, he put into bitcoin at right around $770 per week for the next 26 weeks from January 1, 2016 to June 30, 2016, and he was able to accumulate right around 40 bitcoin.

Since he was already buying $770 per week since the beginning of January 2016, he decided to start his $100 per week on July 1, 2016, and so in the past almost 10 years, since July 1, 2016, his $100 per week hade resulted in $51k invested and about 9.5 BTC.

So right now he has about 49.5  BTC, and his goal had been to be able to live off of his BTC at $80k per year and to give himself a 7% raise in the dollar amount each year... yet he did not realize that to live off of bitcoin at $80k per year, right now he would only need 13.2212 BTC, and so largely he had overaccumulated by close to 36.3 BTC.. and so he has 36.3 BTC extra beyond his earlier established goals.

The greater the overaccumulation the more options that he has, yet he does not have to knock himself out of overaccumulation status in regards to his bitcoin, since right now 13.2212 would be enough to begin withdrawing at his target rate of $6,666 per month and give himself a 7% raise each year and since it is sustainable, he can do it forever and ever and ever, as long as he does not overly deplete his bitcoin holdings, which he should not have a problem since he has right around 4x more bitcoin than he needs for his target withdrawal rate.

Surely, another option he might choose would be to double or triple his withdrawal rate and he would still have enough of a cushion so that he could monitor that he is not overly depleting the rate that he can sustainably withdraw.  I don't see why such a guy would need more, since if he were to decide to quit his $40k per year job, and then he would choose to withdraw at triple his target (at $240k per year), then I don't see why he would need to be fucking around with other assets or be overly scared about if his bitcoin might go up down or sideways once he started to employ his sustainable withdrawal amounts, whether monthly, quarterly or some other periodic basis that he might consider to be convenient.


I don't see what good it does a guy to be fucking around trying to trade any of his bitcoin prior to either reaching overaccumulation status or perhaps alternatively, if he cannot resist temptations to trade (gamble) with his bitcoin, then perhaps he could limit whatever trading that he chooses to do to less than 10% the size of his bitcoin holdings.

You seem way too inclined to want to trade, and you don't even seem to have any clues about my own bitcoin investment ideas that happen to be the topic of this thread.  Maybe if you study my investment ideas you might come up with some better arguments in the event that you continue to believe that fucking around with trading and/or diversifying is a good idea.. or maybe some of those ideas are discretionary and they are not really helpful with the kinds of matters being discussed in this thread.

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I think that effects would be more visible if they banned some more mainstream website (something like Instagram or Facebook) that all kinds of people visit. But I don't expect that an average bitcointalk member from Phllipines would rather stop visiting bitcointalk than to use VPN.

Speaking of VPNs, out of curiosity I just connected to Phillipines server set in Manilla and managed to access bitcointalk with no issues whatsoever.

What I’ve noticed when people talk about crypto in Brazil (it’s probably similar elsewhere)

When someone finds out you have some BTC, they assume you have at least 1 BTC, and they think you have the full value of a BTC, or even more
A lot of people still don’t even know that BTC is divisible

A criminal who understands crypto knows this, but Brazil is quite dangerous in this regard
I'm always careful about people knowing that I have crypto

That’s why many of us are afraid to wear a crypto T-shirt, for example

I now still have a t-shirt with the bitcoin logo and use it in crowded places, I don't know if it attracts the attention of especially thieves, but for several years using it there is no problem.

It really depends on where you live, how safe the area continues to be from criminal acts, because I am in Indonesia there is still no case where crypto theft to the person directly so it can be said that it is still safe.

Still, I myself am always vigilant after seeing a lot of news about crypto theft, because the group knows their target has a lot of assets.
Now it's better to keep quiet and maintain privacy, so that people don't trust us too much.

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On Fri 24 Apr 2026 04:43:36 AM CEST, JayJuanGee (history) sent 1 Merit to Dogedegen (history) for Re: JJG’s Outline of Bitcoin Investment Ideas.
On Fri 24 Apr 2026 04:37:56 AM CEST, Don Pedro Dinero (history) sent 2 Merit to danadc (history) for Re: Hilo de seguimiento del precio del bitcoin a corto plazo.
On Fri 24 Apr 2026 04:34:40 AM CEST, bitmover (history) sent 1 Merit to CCECash (history) for Re: New Contest!.
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I think it also depends on the kind of questions. There are some questions related to Bitcoin I might have that I would just research on my own, while some I would ask here to get a better understanding. I feel it's the same with this AI tool. There are certain things you just need a simple and short explanation for you to understand it, while some require deeper and more experienced answers and from a practical perspective.
An AI tool designed specifically for a task, if built well, would be better than a tool that has general information and has to search the web for answers. And they may not necessarily give a false information, but they can give incomplete information. I haven't tried the one the OP recommended yet though, but I would try it out to see.

The creator is from Norway, so that's probably why Norwegian is the second supported language other than English. I am sure there will be more in the future.
I think you misunderstood what the website is supposed to do. It's meant to correct FUD and negative claims about Bitcoin, not for praise and positive comments. Your prompt is therefore not the best one. Entering something like, "Gold is the best financial instrument while Bitcoin is useless" would probably be better. 

Depends on the topic being discussed and how it was programmed to respond. Generally it's supposed to give you correct information. Just don't ask it about israel. Shhh


What about cases when it's not accurate or when it's incomplete? This forum has some users who are very knowledgeable and know what they are talking about. There are also those who know a bit but not enough. Finally, there are people who have no idea what they are talking about.

You can't expect an AI to recommend DEXs and no KYC exchanges that we on this forum know about. You have to understand that we who use such services are still a big minority and not the other way around. Most people will go to Coinbase, Binance, or things like Cash App, Strike, etc.

também não vejo sentido deixar dinheiro no Defi, a não ser se for uma grana que o cara fez no mercado de criptomoedas e não quer trazer isso de uma vez para o sistema financeiro tradicional, ai sim, faz todo sentido, mas agora, migrar o normal pro defi para essa rentabilidade, acho que não justifica e nem compensa o risco. Não sei se o DeFi sobrevive realmente no longo prazo, com as moedinhas malucas sumindo e a rentabilidade se espalhando em milhoes de altcoins, vai acabar que a galera não vai mais ver com bons olhos ficar comprando alt coins e usando Defi.

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I frequently suggest that guys invest into bitcoin as aggressively as they are able to without overdoing it, and of course that is a bit of a vague suggestion, since guys have to figure out the parameters that amount to investing as aggressively as they can without overdoing it within the boundaries of their own means.. and surely if a guy has a shorter timeline (such as one that might be 4-10 years), he might want to reach that status of overaccumulation faster than a guy who might already know that he has a timeline that is perhaps 20 years or more, even though he would not complain if he were to reach overaccumulation status at a time that is a few years sooner than he thought that he was going to be able to reach it.

A guy with a good job and maybe fairly reasonable expenses, he may well be able to accumulate bitcoin at around 25% of his income, which means that in about 4 years, he would have had put 1 year of his income into bitcoin, and other guys might struggle to maintain an investment amount that is 5% of his income, even if he might aspire to try to get up to 10% of his income and in those lower contribution rates, it will take 20 years and 10 years respectively to get to 1 years of his income invested into bitcoin... .. and surely guys can ONLY do what they can, and someone with low discretionary funds may well struggle and have dilemmas about how much he is ready, willing and able to put into bitcoin, since even small amounts will also involve a decent amount of ongoing  sacrifice... and many times there can be struggles to figure out ways to increase discretionary funds.


Personally, it seems to me that if any guys is going to be withdrawing based on his bitcoin amount, then he might not want to go over an 8% per year withdrawal rate... even though I personally consider 10% annual rate to be sustainable if it is based on the dollar value of the 200-WMA (which is a bitcoin bottom price).

So if you look at my sustainable withdrawal strategy tool, a 10% per year based on the 200-WMA would allow a 1 BTC stash size to currently withdraw $6k per year (which is currently 0.07915992 BTC) ($503 per month, which is 0.00659666 BTC), and then I hypothesize a 7% increase in the dollar withdrawal rate each year.

Sure it is possible that even withdrawing based on the BTC amount might end up in very similar results as withdrawing based on the dollar value of the 200-WMA, yet I have been personally thinking that there is value in trying to figure out our cost of living in terms of dollars and making our adjustments based in the dollar value.. which also allows a kind of compounding of the dollar value when we are withdrawing in a way that the dollar rate continues to go up higher than the amount that we are withdrawing - even though with bitcoin, there are likely going to ongoingly be up and down years that might cause us  concerns about the extent to which we might be withdrawing at a rate that might not be sustainable during those times that the BTC price is going down greatly yet we are still continuing with our withdrawals (once we get to a sustainable withdrawal stage).

It does seem that using the 200-WMA provides more delayed indicator aspects so that we can make adjustments to our withdrawal amounts during periods in which the BTC price might go lower than 25% above the 200-WMA.. and a strict withdrawing based on the BTC amount might end up causing over withdrawing, especially if it is at higher than 8% per year rates...and I am a bit nervous about 8% rates during periods that the BTC prices might be relatively low, such as lower than 25% above the 200-WMA or even periods that the BTC price might even be below the 200-WMA.. We know in late 2022, the BTC price got down to 35% below the then 200-WMA, which seems that it would have had been problematic to be withdrawing high amounts of BTC during those kinds of seemingly low priced BTC times..
 
@suhadi88 may well be needing to show how he considers the accumulation of 1 bitcoin and then the subsequent withdrawal of 0.1 bTC to be reasonable. and surely even in my own thinking it is difficult to reach a status of justifying starting to employ time-based sustainable withdrawal (even if we might be able to agree on the rate of withdrawal) without at least 4 years of holding after the purchases that are being withdrawn.   Price based sustainable withdrawal has other kinds of formulas, so there could be ways to justify price based sustainable withdrawal, such as a doubling of the bitcoin price for the amount of bitcoin at issue could potentially justify up to a 10% withdrawal for every doubling... even though from my perspective it seems a bit too desperate (and maybe premature) to start such 10% withdrawal on each doubling on the first doubling.. yet guys are free to make those kinds of choices and even to attempt to determine if their choices are attempts at sustainable withdrawal rather than depletion of principle and even worse yet if they are devolving into trading (based on their intentions to try to buy back cheaper) while inaccurately proclaiming that they are investing.

By the way, when I suggest that there could be justification for time-based sustainable withdraw in some circumstances, and justification for price-based sustainable withdrawal in other circumstances, if a guy is mixing the two strategies, he is still going to need to make sure that the combination of deploying the two strategies is not causing him to overly deplete his bitcoin holdings.. and there can be a decent amount of wiggle room that guys could employ in terms of how he is making his calculations, and if he ends up withdrawing too much too soon, then he ONLY has himself to blame for his actions, even if he had inadvertently made mistakes in his calculations.

Frequently if the mistakes are not too big, there can be ways to make up for the mistakes by either buying back the bitcoin and/or lowering the withdrawal rate (amount) for a period of time to either allow the BTC price to catch up and to make up for the mistake.. and sometimes either of the potential remedies might not be logical to carry out in a rush.. and surely any guy is going to feel less upset if he identifies various avenues to rectify his mistakes as compared with if his mistakes had been so large that the damage level ended up greatly limiting his present and/or future options in ways that he considers could have been preventable.. but they end up being so great that they cannot be meaningfully fixed... an example of a non-rectifiable mistake might relate to putting large amounts of value in some insecure platform (for yield or something like that) and get rugged. .or maybe storing keys in ways that are quite vulnerable to loss.. and surely if a guy spends 6-10 years building up BTC holdings, if he loses 1/3 or 1/2 or even more of his BTC holdings, he may well not be able to make up for those levels of losses, especially if he might still had been quite a distance from reaching overaccumulation status... and maybe his age and health is not really giving a lot of options to him, either.

If a person has achieved the goal and if he sees that his investment is at a profitable level, he can withdraw some amount from the profit and enjoy it. But if a person wants to withdraw the entire amount or more than half of it instead of withdrawing a small amount, then this is not the right decision at all.

It is not possible to say now what the price of Bitcoin will be when he withdraws the second time. The Bitcoin market is very volatile and it is not possible to say when and under what conditions the price of Bitcoin will be. If the price of Bitcoin was 50 thousand dollars when the first time Bitcoin was sold and if it was 100 thousand dollars at the time of the second sale, then the second sale will definitely get more money.

It is entirely our responsibility to keep track of whether we have reached excess savings or not. If we take the wrong decision without being able to properly monitor or account for our investment, then it is our failure. We can understand whether we have reached the point of excess savings by looking at the date of our first purchase and what our goal was.
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Your numbers are vague @Tongley, and it seems like you are merely saying that guys can do whatever they like without considering parameters, except that they "feel like taking some profits" based on feelings that they have enough blah blah blah.


Get the fuck out of here.  You are talking about trading and not investing, even though you are using the term "investing."  You are in the wrong thread if you want to talk about trading.

When these guys sell their BTC are they intending to buy back cheaper, and you even suggested that some of them might be merely taking profits.  Do you want to argue that is investing and not trading?  I am presuming that you are considering guys who might be trying to play the 4-year cycle, even though surely there can be situations in which guys might be coming into bitcoin intending to play one 4 year cycle, so they are planning to get in and out in less than 4 years, yet some of them might get stuck on the wrong side of a trade, so they might feel that they have to hold onto their bitcoin longer until it goes into sufficient profits, to the extent that they don't decide to get out "unprofitable" in order to cut their losses, since they might perceive that they have opportunities to put the money (that they had put into bitcoin) into other places in order to make up for whatever losses (or lack of profits) that they had ended up going through with bitcoin.  Do you really consider those kinds of adjustments as "investing" too?


Nothing wrong with this example.  Many times normal people who are investing and building outside of bitcoin might spend 30-40 years or longer investing and trying to build and to prepare themselves to get to a position where they don't have to work and they can live off of their investment (perhaps some variation of fuck you status), and many of them might not completely get to such a situation.. and surely there are possibilities that bitcoin can help that guys get to fuck you status and might even get there sooner with bitcoin than would have had been possible under non-bitcoin/traditional investments.


What is "investing less than 10 years?"  what is the reason?  They are investing for a certain purpose, like buying a house or a business? or are the having a less than 10 year time horizon based on age and/or health considerations?

If they buy bitcoin and they get out in a less than 10 year time horizon then what are they getting into, in your scenario?  Is there any reason to stay into bitcoin longer?  And, also in your scenario, did they get into bitcoin in a DCA manner or did they lump sum buy into it?  I might question if your idea of a less than 10 years "medium term investor" kind of guy is an investor or maybe he is a longer term trader, unless he might have age/health considerations that contribute towards his having a less than 10 year investment time-horizon.

What about you Arenga pinnata?  You have ONLY been registered here since early 2023, yet surely you could have had built up a decently good bitcoin position in the last 3-ish years if you had not been mixing up the ideas of trading with investing.  And, I am not even suggesting that your last 3-ish years might not have had been more "profitable" as a trader as compared with an investor, yet historically in bitcoin (at least so far) any guys who are fucking around trying to trade bitcoin end up way worse off than the guys who had been focused on ongoing buying and building up their bitcoin holdings, especially if we look at time periods that are a couple of cycles or longer.. even though surely some of those guys don't seem to learn their lesson in regards to the value of focusing on ongoing bitcoin accumulation and hodl rather than fucking around trying to trade and putting their accumulation process at risk, even if they believe that they might be able to successfully gamble with their holdings and sell at a certain price and buy back at a lower price... and personally, I am not even opposed to doing some of that if guys can at least limit their fucking around with trading to less than 10% of their bitcoin holdings, especially if they are still in their bitcoin accumulation phases.   Once they get to overaccumulation status they have more options, yet it still might not be a good way of dealing with bitcoin holdings to be selling with expectations of buying back cheaper.

Qual a melhor forma de fazer isso com USDT? Você poderia criar um tópico sobre isso ensinando o que fazer e o que não fazer. Como envio para fora e já compro SP500?

Deixar em dólares parado é uma ideia ruim mesmo, por que a inflação é mundial

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