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1. Post 65919536 (unedited backup) (by joker_josue) (scraped on Tue Oct 14 08:34:31 CEST 2025) in "Não acreditamos [no BTC... mas vamos negociar BTC]...":
Se nao me engano, a coinbase custodia de alguns etf (talvez ate a blackrock mas nao tenho certeza)
Em março 2024, a Coinbase dizia fazer custodia de 8 dos 11 fundos ETFs que operavam no mercado:
https://www.coinbase.com/pt-pt/blog/how-we-keep-digital-assets-safeTendo em conta que hoje, existe mais fundos a operar, esse numero quase de certeza que aumentou.
Muito provavelmente as maiores empresas deverão trabalhar com a Coinbase.
2. Post 65919252 (unedited backup) (by JayJuanGee) (scraped on Tue Oct 14 05:19:37 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:
This recovery has been pretty powerful. Moreso than I expected if we are being honest. The last time Binance cleared out market leverage like this was the drop to $80K, and a few weeks later we were at $110K, so I could see the is latest move leading to a run up to $130K. At that point I would probably go back to recommending people consider profit taking for any necessary funds they may need over the next 4 years…
Does that mean the price of Bitcoin will start going dip after hitting $130k?
This might be your personal opinion about the market and I don't think price will fall after $130k all time high. I am longing to see the price of Bitcoin at $180k or $200k before any dip sight. It's good we ought to be smart and conscious but I don't think the market will fall so easily.
I think we are running out of time to hit $200K. I’d be surprised at this point if we went above $170K. I like surprises, but I’m not holding my breath. $140K seems like a good target before the fall.
Starship is about to take flight. Last launch of the year and last launch of the version 2 rocket. Next year we’ll see a bigger more powerful rocket take to the skies.
https://www.spacex.com/launches/starship-flight-11Hopefully for your own good, you do not end up selling too much too soon due to your "smartness."
In some sense, I get your point about not being overly reliant on UP, so in that regard, I am sure a lot of guys will be crying if the top already happens to be in and/or if the most that we get for this cycle is in the ballpark of $130k to $150k.. yet at the same time, we have to be prepared financially and psychologically for a variety of scenarios, including that if there is no blow off top, then it seems more difficult (not impossible) to get as much of an outrageous correction... so even though I recognize that
right now, the 200-WMA is ONLY at $53.753, for shits and giggles, I am still willing to bet that we never go below $80k again, for any takers who might be out there.
Anyone?
Anyone?
I’m not going take the bet but if your correct I could retire right now. I’m still in +/- 20% of 200wma camp for bottom now though so my low is sitting at ~43k. This might be bet you don’t to take it’s risky in my eyes.
There is nothing wrong with being conservative in your attempts at your own management of your bitcoin holdings, including the likelihood that you don't want to get overly excited by having expectations that are way too high.
I can understand that.
At the same time, so far in bitcoin's history, the 200-WMA continues to move up, and historically, whenever we ended up hitting the 200-WMA with the price, it tended to be 6 months or longer after the ATH, and those ATH's had tended to be several multiples higher than the 200-WMA by the time that the ATH was in, so in 2017 the high spot price was around 14x higher than the 200-WMA and in late 2021, the high was around 4x higher than the 200-WMA (the early 2021 price was around 4.5x higher than the 200-WMA).
Another thing is that the BTC price did not tend to go below the 200-WMA, except for flash crash situations, except for the period between June 2022 until October 2023, in which we spent a lot of time below the 200-WMA while the 200-WMA moved from $22k at the beginning of that 16 month period and ended slightly higher than $27k at the end of that 16 month period, and of course the worst of the BTC prices ended up being right around 35% lower than the 200-WMA in November 2022.
This cycle, so far, we have not had BTC prices that have gotten much higher than 2.5x higher than the 200-WMA... so the top has not been so extreme to justify as great of a correction, even though surely shenanigans can happen, so I am not ruling out great levels of correction, even though it seems a bit improbable to be expecting those levels of correction - especially guys selling and expecting to be able to buy back at those kinds of low prices.
It is probably healthy for you to not let your expectations get to high, but you still have to calculate that the 200-WMA is a moving target, and in order to have 20% below the 200-WMA to equal $43k-ish, you have to go with today's 200-WMA, and do you really think that the odds are very good that the BTC price would go shooting straight down within a very short period of time in order to make that 20% below the 200-WMA as feasible? You are describing a quite outrageous scenario, even though surely I still have buy orders down to about $32k. .so yeah, maybe yu could refer to me as a bit overprotective, too.. I just hate running out of money when the price goes shooting down
I might even be willing to give you odds on anything below $53k... even though my current outstanding proposal for a 50/50 bet is that the price is never going below $80k, and I would probably like consession that I had won the bet if the BTC price goes above $300k before the end of 2027. .
On the uppity side which way prefer to think about I remember proclaiming I would be happy with 138k cycle top, ofc would be happier with higher but hey let’s see what happens

Sure, any of us would agree that higher is better, and $138k is surely not unreasonable as a top for this cycle. I am going to stick with my expectation of $180k even though it is seeming a bit pie in the sky in recent times, but I am not expecting that the cycle top has to happen during the 2025 calendar year.
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I will be happy if we are over 120k on Jan 1. yeah 130 or 150 or 200 would be nicer
I can not cash in large amounts this year due to tax issues so I have to wait tll Jan 1 or later.
I need to cash at least 35k in coin next year to cover expenses.
And the extra income will hurt me tax wise if I do that this year.
You feeling lucky
, punk?
I had to throw that in there.

3. Post 65919212 (unedited backup) (by philipma1957) (scraped on Tue Oct 14 04:28:19 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:
This recovery has been pretty powerful. Moreso than I expected if we are being honest. The last time Binance cleared out market leverage like this was the drop to $80K, and a few weeks later we were at $110K, so I could see the is latest move leading to a run up to $130K. At that point I would probably go back to recommending people consider profit taking for any necessary funds they may need over the next 4 years…
Does that mean the price of Bitcoin will start going dip after hitting $130k?
This might be your personal opinion about the market and I don't think price will fall after $130k all time high. I am longing to see the price of Bitcoin at $180k or $200k before any dip sight. It's good we ought to be smart and conscious but I don't think the market will fall so easily.
I think we are running out of time to hit $200K. I’d be surprised at this point if we went above $170K. I like surprises, but I’m not holding my breath. $140K seems like a good target before the fall.
Starship is about to take flight. Last launch of the year and last launch of the version 2 rocket. Next year we’ll see a bigger more powerful rocket take to the skies.
https://www.spacex.com/launches/starship-flight-11Hopefully for your own good, you do not end up selling too much too soon due to your "smartness."
In some sense, I get your point about not being overly reliant on UP, so in that regard, I am sure a lot of guys will be crying if the top already happens to be in and/or if the most that we get for this cycle is in the ballpark of $130k to $150k.. yet at the same time, we have to be prepared financially and psychologically for a variety of scenarios, including that if there is no blow off top, then it seems more difficult (not impossible) to get as much of an outrageous correction... so even though I recognize that
right now, the 200-WMA is ONLY at $53.753, for shits and giggles, I am still willing to bet that we never go below $80k again, for any takers who might be out there.
Anyone?
Anyone?
I’m not going take the bet but if your correct I could retire right now. I’m still in +/- 20% of 200wma camp for bottom now though so my low is sitting at ~43k. This might be bet you don’t to take it’s risky in my eyes.
On the uppity side which way prefer to think about I remember proclaiming I would be happy with 138k cycle top, ofc would be happier with higher but hey let’s see what happens

I will be happy if we are over 120k on Jan 1. yeah 130 or 150 or 200 would be nicer
I can not cash in large amounts this year due to tax issues so I have to wait tll Jan 1 or later.
I need to cash at least 35k in coin next year to cover expenses.
And the extra income will hurt me tax wise if I do that this year.
4. Post 65919204 (unedited backup) (by Greyhats) (scraped on Tue Oct 14 04:22:02 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:
This recovery has been pretty powerful. Moreso than I expected if we are being honest. The last time Binance cleared out market leverage like this was the drop to $80K, and a few weeks later we were at $110K, so I could see the is latest move leading to a run up to $130K. At that point I would probably go back to recommending people consider profit taking for any necessary funds they may need over the next 4 years…
Does that mean the price of Bitcoin will start going dip after hitting $130k?
This might be your personal opinion about the market and I don't think price will fall after $130k all time high. I am longing to see the price of Bitcoin at $180k or $200k before any dip sight. It's good we ought to be smart and conscious but I don't think the market will fall so easily.
I think we are running out of time to hit $200K. I’d be surprised at this point if we went above $170K. I like surprises, but I’m not holding my breath. $140K seems like a good target before the fall.
Starship is about to take flight. Last launch of the year and last launch of the version 2 rocket. Next year we’ll see a bigger more powerful rocket take to the skies.
https://www.spacex.com/launches/starship-flight-11Hopefully for your own good, you do not end up selling too much too soon due to your "smartness."
In some sense, I get your point about not being overly reliant on UP, so in that regard, I am sure a lot of guys will be crying if the top already happens to be in and/or if the most that we get for this cycle is in the ballpark of $130k to $150k.. yet at the same time, we have to be prepared financially and psychologically for a variety of scenarios, including that if there is no blow off top, then it seems more difficult (not impossible) to get as much of an outrageous correction... so even though I recognize that
right now, the 200-WMA is ONLY at $53.753, for shits and giggles, I am still willing to bet that we never go below $80k again, for any takers who might be out there.
Anyone?
Anyone?
I’m not going take the bet but if your correct I could retire right now. I’m still in +/- 20% of 200wma camp for bottom now though so my low is sitting at ~43k. This might be bet you don’t to take it’s risky in my eyes.
On the uppity side which way prefer to think about I remember proclaiming I would be happy with 138k cycle top, ofc would be happier with higher but hey let’s see what happens

5. Post 65918960 (unedited backup) (by JayJuanGee) (scraped on Tue Oct 14 01:05:20 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:
This recovery has been pretty powerful. Moreso than I expected if we are being honest. The last time Binance cleared out market leverage like this was the drop to $80K, and a few weeks later we were at $110K, so I could see the is latest move leading to a run up to $130K. At that point I would probably go back to recommending people consider profit taking for any necessary funds they may need over the next 4 years…
Does that mean the price of Bitcoin will start going dip after hitting $130k?
This might be your personal opinion about the market and I don't think price will fall after $130k all time high. I am longing to see the price of Bitcoin at $180k or $200k before any dip sight. It's good we ought to be smart and conscious but I don't think the market will fall so easily.
I think we are running out of time to hit $200K. I’d be surprised at this point if we went above $170K. I like surprises, but I’m not holding my breath. $140K seems like a good target before the fall.
Starship is about to take flight. Last launch of the year and last launch of the version 2 rocket. Next year we’ll see a bigger more powerful rocket take to the skies.
https://www.spacex.com/launches/starship-flight-11 Hopefully for your own good, you do not end up selling too much too soon due to your "smartness."
In some sense, I get your point about not being overly reliant on UP, so in that regard, I am sure a lot of guys will be crying if the top already happens to be in and/or if the most that we get for this cycle is in the ballpark of $130k to $150k.. yet at the same time, we have to be prepared financially and psychologically for a variety of scenarios, including that if there is no blow off top, then it seems more difficult (not impossible) to get as much of an outrageous correction... so even though I recognize that
right now, the 200-WMA is ONLY at $53.753, for shits and giggles, I am still willing to bet that we never go below $80k again, for any takers who might be out there.
Anyone?
Anyone?
6. Post 65918858 (unedited backup) (by Forsyth Jones) (scraped on Tue Oct 14 00:27:55 CEST 2025) in Lizex.io 4,997.4151 USDT deposit confirmation:
I believe Royse , as the escrow, will make decisions over the dispute.
But this is a public forum and anyone can open a topic about the situation.
There are so many exit scam around... A third-party escrow is always welcome. This gives an extra layer of security until ~5kUSD. This is pretty good imo.
I believe this is the new standard for avoiding or reducing the chances of a crypto swap service engaging in exit scams.
When I see a service that provides momentary custody (like an instant exchange) by making a third-party escrow with a highly reputable forum member or using a trustworthy campaign manager, it already improves my credibility with the service, making it a great first impression.
7. Post 65918750 (unedited backup) (by Zoomic) (scraped on Mon Oct 13 23:50:55 CEST 2025) in Lizex.io 4,997.4151 USDT deposit confirmation:
Who makes the decision as to what is the fault of lizex (customer gets refund) or customer error (no refund)
Just you or you and them or will there be as happens a lot a lively discussion here on the forum?
Just my view but business common sense is good, but without knowing who is making the decision it's a bit vague.
-Dave
I believe Royse , as the escrow, will make decisions over the dispute.
But this is a public forum and anyone can open a topic about the situation.
There are so many exit scam around... A third-party escrow is always welcome. This gives an extra layer of security until ~5kUSD. This is pretty good imo.
I also believe that Royse will make decisions on this, but if the case becomes too controversial for him to handle, he could simply open a thread in the reputation board.
I understand why you are asking because it's possible for random newbies who know there's an escrow to start laying unnecessary claims.
8. Post 65917798 (unedited backup) (by joker_josue) (scraped on Mon Oct 13 19:22:01 CEST 2025) in Bisq easy, versão mobile da Dex já disponível (somente para Android).:
Mas ordens de 500 a 2000 EURO são fechadas em poucas horas. Pra mim isso são valores grandes. Mas para algumas pessoas isso pode ser um valor irrisório.
Estava a falar em valores de 100 ou 200.
Pelo menos na altura que eu testei, era difícil encontrar um trade nessa casa de valores, pela forma de troca escolhida (que seria a minimamente mais segura).
Talvez volte a dar uma vista de olhos.
9. Post 65917522 (unedited backup) (by Sim_card) (scraped on Mon Oct 13 18:23:49 CEST 2025) in JJG’s Outline of Bitcoin Investment Ideas:
Finding a reasonable balance of investing aggressively without overdoing it takes practice.
I think a good way to measure that is about how you feel.
If you are worried about how much the price goes up or down, problems with sleep etc you are clearly over invested.
You need to invest an amount to keep calm no matter what happens to the price.
Exactly, when you invest within your discretionary income and don't invest beyond your discretionary income, you will not have any cause for alarm or have a sleepless night because you did not use money for other important things to invest over aggressively.
This is why you need to recheck your discretionary income and how much that you want to use from it to invest aggressively should be properly calculated and look into your needs at that moment if it wouldn't affect should in case you want to increase your initial DCA amount within your discretionary for aggressively buying. When you lack financial management and didn't put all these into considerations, you might end up overdoing it and that will affect your bitcoin investment and your emotions too.
10. Post 65916911 (unedited backup) (by sabotag3x) (scraped on Mon Oct 13 16:05:01 CEST 2025) in "Não acreditamos [no BTC... mas vamos negociar BTC]...":
eles não estão arriscando nada.
Tem o risco do CEO mover as moedas sem olhar o que está mostrando na Ledger

11. Post 65916717 (unedited backup) (by Prancheiro) (scraped on Mon Oct 13 15:16:49 CEST 2025) in Luxemburgo é o primeiro país da zona do Euro a ter reservas em Bitcoin:
Eles não compraram diretamente Bitcoin, compraram ETFs de Bitcoin.
Acho que essa é a maior vantagem dos ETF.
Talvez seja muito complexo aprovar, dentro do governo, um sistema que permita ao tesouro do país comprar bitcoin diretamente.
Mas comprar um ETF é algo muito mais simples, tanto do ponto de vista prático quanto legal.
Isso também está permitindo muitos fundos de pensão entrarem no bitcoin e em outras criptomoedas.
Imagina um país decidindo qual a forma de custódia será usada para guardar os BTCs. Sem chance!
A não ser que terceirizem para uma custodiante tipo Xapo.
12. Post 65915391 (unedited backup) (by joker_josue) (scraped on Mon Oct 13 08:55:07 CEST 2025) in Bisq easy, versão mobile da Dex já disponível (somente para Android).:
Mas recentemente fiquei um pouco receoso de ficar recebendo fiat de pessoas que não conheço, e isso poderia me dar problemas de receber dinheiro sujo. Mas nunca tive problemas e já usei bastante a BISQ 1, desktop mesmo
Vai depender da quantidade. Se for valores relativamente baixos de pessoas diferentes, não haverá grande problemas.
Não podemos esquecer que os bandidos querem despachar dinheiro rápido, não em pequenas parcelas.
No que tinha visto no BISQ algum tempo atras, valores menores eram mais complicado de transacionar, por isso é que ainda não fiquei convencido.
13. Post 65914782 (unedited backup) (by JayJuanGee) (scraped on Mon Oct 13 03:15:13 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:
I might not be a good person to measure against.. and gold is not dumping seems like a big so what?
Hopefully none of us are buying much if any gold, or getting distracted by it.
Mostly, I have not been injecting new cash into bitcoin since early 2017 -
I think last time on another thread you told me how much btc you have, they were not even 1 BTC. Correct me if I am wrong and sorry if I talk about something in here that I shouldn't have.
It is not good for anyone to be talking about their stack size or the stack sizes of other members - even though from time to time, we will talk about hypotheticals and also talk about what our stack sizes might be or could be and even misinformation and disinformation that might be based on facts and/or pure fantasy.
So, it is good to take from those stories as you will, and surely there are some members who particularly provide their personal details, or they might feel that providing some particular personal details is helpful in making their personal point more clearly or more credibly. Sometimes, the information provided might contradict too. Whether the contradiction needs to be sussed out might be another story.
As if you have stopped buying since early 2017 don't you think it's a bit biased to tell others to keep buying and dcaing and not trading, but holding, I am not laying fingers, just a question out of curiosity.
I am frequently suggesting that guys stay focused on accumulating until they reach overaccumulation status.
Once a guy reaches overaccumulation status, his options greatly increase.
Guys have to figure out what is their own overaccumulation status and there are various ways to come to such an assessment.
In recent times (maybe the last couple of years?), I have come up with new ways of assessing overaccumulation status that are different from my ways of assessing my having had reached overaccumulation status in late 2014 (or maybe if not late 2014 by mid-to-late 2015).
A lot of guys consider it is a good idea to sell coins before they have reached overaccumulation status and they speculate that they can buy back cheaper.
Personally, I believe that it is a bad idea to sell bitcoin with a plan of trying to buy back cheaper, even though I am not against the idea of selling on the way up and buying on the way down.. especially for guys who have reached overaccumulation status, so it may well be problematic to sell on the way up when you have already figured out that you don't even have enough coins in the first place.
Guys can do whatever they like, even dumb shit.
I think that there are good reasons for guys to stay focused on accumulation of BTC through buying ONLY for at least a whole cycle, and perhaps even a couple of cycles, yet sure, guys can consider themselves smarter than everyone else and do whatever they like, including having fun never reaching overaccumulation status... since it is likely going to be quite difficult to ever reach overaccumulation status if you are selling your coins and/or focusing on strategies that deviate from persistent, consistent, regular, ongoing and perhaps even aggressive buying of bitcoin. But hey if you want to employ selling and/or waiting as your strategy, then sure, that might work.. perhaps? Perhaps you got it figured out and you can identify various waves that help you do better than guys who stay focused on buy only BTc accumulation techniques.
I do respect your povs though because we must keep holdings our bags as you have helped me understand one thing that long term conviction usually wins, timing rarely does.
Guys have to be careful when they consider switching their strategy based on what another guy is doing or has been doing - especially if one guy might reasonably be at or above overaccumulation status and another guy might be in his early stages of accumulating and hardly making any progress in building his bitcoin holdings, and he wants to trade rather than staying focused on BTC accumulation.
There are also some guys who are ONLY able to accumulate from their income, and they are lucky to figure out how to accumulate even 10% of their income in bitcoin, so it may well take them 10 years or more to invest a whole year's income into bitcoin, and there are other guys who may have had been investing in various non-bitcoin areas for 10-20 years or more, and so when they come to bitcoin, they might already have an ability to front load 1-2 years or more of their income into bitcoin within a year or two, so guys who front load their investment may well be in a different position as compared with guys who are ONLY able to invest from their income at a rate of 10% or even less than that.
It tends to take a long time to build up a bitcoin stash, even for guys who might come to bitcoin with a lot of money, they may still take 6 months to 24 months or even longer to establish their position, since they might not want to sell much if any of their other assets while they are establishing their bitcoin position.
He lost it all in a boating accident, you need to keep up.
go back a few years
go back a few years..
let me tell you a story
about JJG..
Let me guess.
The "story" starts out like this:
"JJG walks into a bar....
....
....."

Was about to post the same thing. I saw it this morning too
Hopefully it looks like it.
The market moves in a similar way and that is the reason why traders are using the previous market movement to check how the future price is gonna move and react to price. Once you understand the market behaviors you will be surprised that Bitcoin has virtually similar patterns and movement. Although this pattern should not be seen as the priority in speculating the future price.
We still have more bullish candles to count before any diversion or change in trend.
It seems crazy to be trying to trade on such historical patterns - especially since the patterns are even more clear once the whole history had ended up playing itself out rather than having any ability to identify what may or may not happen next (based on perhaps slightly greater than 50/50 odds).
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his claim of owning 0.63 btc is very likely an understatement.
hell i own more than that.
That is a bit of a dilemma.
Remember the context of my claim came from around 2021 or so, when we were transitioning to a point in which it was already starting to become impractical for guys to shoot for accumulating a whole bitcoin... so then if the target for accumulating might be 0.21 BTC or 21 million satoshis, then at that time, I was willing to admit that I had accumulated more than 3x the amounts that newbie guys might be starting out as their target accumulation level.
In recent times, I have been hearing that guys might shoot for reaching 1 million satoshis and then sure each additional million satoshis that they reach would be a good thing - especially for someone who might have limited discretionary income and who might take some time to build up his bitcoin holdings.
How many bitcoin we need and how long it might take us to get to such a status tends to have a lot of factors, and right now, 0.63 BTC is starting to seem like a lot of bitcoin, and it could take several years for guys to reach 0.63 BTC or more.
Maybe another thing, as you well know Philip, is how many bitcoin that we were able to accumulate historically does not necessarily reflect how many bitcoin we had been able to retain.
Part of the reason that I suggest that guys get to overaccumulation status before selling any bitcoin has to do with such a dynamic, since once a guy starts to sell his bitcoin, he might not be able to get back to his earlier stash level, without having to spend way more money to get his stash back to such a level.
I am not claiming to know the answer, since each guy has to attempt to assess how to deal with his BTC accumulation and/or even whether he might consider himself to have had graduated frrom accumulation status and into maintenance status based on his own individual particulars (I had listed
9 of them).
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1 - 1/e ≈ 0.63
If you know, you know.
That's beyond my current puzzle solving capabilities.
his claim of owning 0.63 btc is very likely an understatement.
hell i own more than that.
The .63 that I may or may not have works just fine for all intents and purposes. As everything we post here is hypothetical, the crazy part is I can be more forthcoming here than I am in meatspace... I definitely agree this drop was more of a WHEEEEE moment for me rather than a OHH SHITE type of moment. Even though the liquidations were massive, it doesn't matter if you are HODLing. I am, however, really leaning into time-based selling, and even then only if I think I need more fiat than I currently possess. It's been nice to not stay glued to portfolios (no matter how small they may be!)
We do have over half of UPtober left...
K
For sure.
The various formulas work with any quantity of bitcoin, yet surely it we have more bitcoin then we have more to work with, yet bitcoin is pretty powerful once you have actually accurately calculated having had reached overaccumulation status. If you are accurate in your calculations, then you may well be ble to start to withdraw fiat from bitcoin forever.
Frequently it would be helpful to have extra beyond bare minimum overaccumulation status, so then you have some extra flexibility, so sure as you say, if you have various fiat sources, then you spend your fiat first so that your bitcoin can continue to grow and/or compound upon itself. If we have been in bitcoin for a couple of cycles or more, then it is likely that the value of our bitcoin is ongoingly compounding upon itself.
his claim of owning 0.63 btc is very likely an understatement.
hell i own more than that.
The .63 that I may or may not have works just fine for all intents and purposes. As everything we post here is hypothetical, the crazy part is I can be more forthcoming here than I am in meatspace... I definitely agree this drop was more of a WHEEEEE moment for me rather than a OHH SHITE type of moment. Even though the liquidations were massive, it doesn't matter if you are HODLing. I am, however, really leaning into time-based selling, and even then only if I think I need more fiat than I currently possess. It's been nice to not stay glued to portfolios (no matter how small they may be!)
We do have over half of UPtober left...
K
Do you really think that JJG would spend so much time on this forum if he has <1
BTC? I don't buy it. I think he had > 100
BTC at some point. May be he sold some, but I doubt he has <90
BTC now.
You are telling a story that sounds just like the story that another member had told about himself. Accordingly, you are mixing me up with another forum member since I don't speak about those kinds of specifics - and furthermore it is likely not good to argue about those kinds of specifics, even though, sure, I have no problem throwing out a few hypotheticals that include some other WO participant.. so for example, I could say something like:'
If Ivomm were to have had a goal to reach fuck you status, and his income in the past 10 years had been somewhere between $35k and $65k, yet he had told himself that if he were to be able to draw an income of
$80k per year from his bitcoin, then right now he would likely need to have at least 14.8832BTC in order to sustainably (perpetually) be able to provide him with that level of income (including a 7% per year increase - in terms of dollars).
Of course, if he were to have more than that quantity, then he would have some extra cushion for periods that he might want to spend beyond his budget, in the event that he were to not have any other income sources.
Another thing is that several of us might well have income sources outside of bitcoin, yet it could well be the case that some day we would end up depleting all of our other income sources, so then we might ONLY have bitcoin remaining as our only income source.
By the way, it is my opinion that even if we have mostly only bitcoin and cash as our only remaining investments/savings for our income sources, it probably is better to create some systems in which we have other income sources too, even if those other income sources are likely to be inferior to bitcoin.. .yet of course, it is discretionary regarding which other income sources we create for ourselves and the extent to which we don't get diverted away from bitcoin based on our choices to keep some time, energy and value in inferior assets/currencies.
....... discussing with precise quantities is unbecoming to such fine gentlemen.
That seems to come off as a reasonably fine clarification of the matter at hand, which might explain why some formulas have a kind of gobble-dee-gook flavor to them.. .. which even the knowing that we know might cause us to suspect that we might not know..
(I don't even like myself for having had written that very sentence).
115k is better than 106k
maybe 125 by Thursday.
Well, Phil - It dipped to $104.6K and it's already back up $10k to $115k, so another quick $10k puts it right at your $125k mark on Thursday.
I hope it happens - I wouldn't bet against it happening...

We use Bitstamp as our price reference in this thread, so generally speaking the BTC price ONLY dipped to $109,683 (as far as our overall BTC price reference) - even though there were various exchanges in which the BTC price dropped lower than the Bitstamp bottom.
Usually the various exchanges are not so far out of sync as they had gotten to be in this particular drop, so this particular dippening brought quite a bit of out-of-sync-ness in various exchanges (and I even heard some of them ran out of liquidity, which was part of the explanation for the out-of-sync-ness - like the good ole days when there tended to be a lot more out-of-sync-ness.
14. Post 65913695 (unedited backup) (by Forsyth Jones) (scraped on Sun Oct 12 20:59:13 CEST 2025) in Bisq easy, versão mobile da Dex já disponível (somente para Android).:
O aplicativo Bisq Easy (protocolo Bisq 2), já tem versão mobile para android (não tem pra iOS e provavelmente não deve ter).
Quem vai testar? Que tal começarmos a usar o Bisq agora, hein?
Caso esteja receoso com o PIX, pode negociar depix e outras stablecoins e outros métodos de pagamentos/transferências.
O @bitmover que vai gostar dessa postagem, ele entende mais do que eu.
Anúncio no X:
https://x.com/bisq_network/status/1977027198717771941github release:
https://github.com/bisq-network/bisq-mobile/releases/anode_0.1.1Playstore:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=network.bisq.mobile.node
15. Post 65913041 (unedited backup) (by Cricktor) (scraped on Sun Oct 12 18:30:37 CEST 2025) in 2.62x BTC dumped to legacy address of Genesis block:
Time for another small update that meets my arbitrary criteria to be listed in the table.
Past March 14
th, 2025 large recent transfers to 1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa (more or equal to 500,000 sats):
Current balance at time of this post according to
combo(PubKey of Genesis block's coinbase) descriptor, including the unspendable 50
BTC of coinbase tx: 104.39476090
BTC (the difference to previous post's value and newcomer transaction are a lot of smaller dust wastes or whatever their purpose is).
This may differ slightly from what mempool.space or bitcoindata.science displays because the combo() descriptorsee below accounts for all address types (except Taproot, IIRC).combo(04678afdb0fe5548271967f1a67130b7105cd6a828e03909a67962e0ea1f61deb649f6bc3f4cef38c4f35504e51ec112de5c384df7ba0b8d578a4c702b6bf11d5f)#gvgcz9wt
16. Post 65910744 (unedited backup) (by JayJuanGee) (scraped on Sun Oct 12 03:51:26 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:
Despite the sharp correction, it seems unlikely to me that this is the end of the cycle.
It could be, but, then, it would a weak one: possible, but not very likely.
Alternatively, my current thinking is that if we drop into a bear (below 100K), then the bear would be a cub in duration (a few months at most).
As monetary conditions would be presumably easing in the next 12 mo, bitcoin should extend the rally or restart the new cycle after a small (in % and duration) bear.
About $100K is critical in determining that bull-bear switch.
Personally, I am not sure if going below $100k and even staying there for a few weeks would be determinative of a bear market.
In the last cycle, I had given up once we crashed below the 100-WMA.. So I was thinking that maybe the 100-WMA would be more of a sign that we are in a bear market, even though even that might not determinative, if we go through a mere flash crash or something that is not lasting.
Currently, the 100-WMA is at $77k.
Of course, you might have had been one of the guys who had been discussing the possibility that the bull market is over once the 200-WMA reaches the previous ATH.. and the
200-WMA is currently at $53.7k, and the top of the 2021 bull market was $69k.
In a big picture, I project the large secular top in bitcoin in 2028-2029 (definitely before 2030).
It is possible that everything will peak then and a Depression would follow.
You mean that we peak around $2.5 million in 2028-2029 , and then we crash back down to a mere $1 million in 2030?
The worst is the disruption of the supply chains so that we are not able to enjoy our riches, right?
Of course, there are scouts out there who are stealing the ideas of the best minds in town.
TL;DR: we will have another 1929, but it may be 3-4 years out...right now US seem to be in a roaring 20ies (gigantic investments in AI, good GDP numbers, etc.)
It could be. Such a claim does not come off as outrageous. The devil is in the details, and surely it is not even good for rich people if safety goes way down or supply chains dry up.
I am pretty surer that gold bugs would be too excited if the US would be selling its gold in order to buy bitcoin, even though, sure the BTC Maxis would get excited about it, to the extent that it is pumping the bags of bitcoin holders.
Market dumps, happens as it was expected, they were testing and I already knew because of little knowledge I have that, if the U.S ever actually moved that way, both gold and BTC would spike, and then get dumped just as fast and that happens, although gold is not dumping like btc.
Are you still buying? I guess I know the answer.
I might not be a good person to measure against.. and gold is not dumping seems like a big so what?
Hopefully none of us are buying much if any gold, or getting distracted by it.
Mostly, I have
not been injecting new cash into bitcoin since early 2017 - except maybe sporadically here and there, for example, during the 2022 crash below $20k, I largely was running out of money in my various bitcoin related funds, so there was some period of time that I was injecting some new cash into bitcoin..
I did most of my BTC accumulating in 2013 and 2014, and I still continued somewhat in 2015 through 2016, even though I told myself that I had mostly gotten enough by late 2014. It seems to me that most guys are still accumulating bitcoin, and they have to acknowledge where they are at... and trading is not a good approach for anyone who is still trying to accumulate bitcoin.
A so far 13% correction is hardly anything to pay attention to, and sure guys are in different phases of their bitcoin investment journey, and so you have to figure out where you are on the spectrum of accumulation, maintenance, liquidation or some combination of those and perhaps some priority to one or another depending.. and guys who are in their earliest years into bitcoin will be at various stages of accumulation, so as their bitcoin stash grows they may well find themselves to start to transition into some aspect of the next stage up, yet it still can take guys well over 10 years to get through their accumulation stage, especially if they are building their bitcoin ONLY from their income and they don't have other places in which they can reallocate into bitcoin or other ways to front load their bitcoin without engaging in unnecessary risks.
I think a lot of people forgot and many more weren't even around during this time.. Bitcoin sometimes crashed much more than this 13% on news of these bans, lol.

Whether you were around or not, you should take some responsibility in trying to get some sense of what bitcoin does and is capable of doing so that you will not be totally surprised and/or blown away by price moves that go outside of your expectations.
We had a 30% correction between late January 2025 and early April 2025, so it is not even like we have to go back very far in BTC's price history.
We get guys spinning this current dump as if it were the first time that we had blah blah blah, and some guys just accept those representations without doing any meaningful verification for themselves. Sometimes it is difficult to even save folks from themselves.
I wouldn't know. Try asking Mike.

Now I have to ask Mike who? lol
You must be new here. Here's your answer key. Study harder.
You can retake the test on the first available date.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWSlVMpbcPUSpoon feeding.
I am not opposed to some paper bitcoin for either beginners and/or for those who have most of their investments in various kinds of products (such as retirement funds) that might not allow for self-custody. Also, some institutions and/or governments might have difficulties self-custodying, so paper bitcoin might be mostly acceptable for them, even if they might have to figure out ways to attempt to transition into having some control and/or oversight over the ways that the coins are custodied - perhaps even trying to custody with custodians who engaging in some kinds of credible auditing (proof of reserves), and even having abilities to move coins between custodians could keep a decent number of the custodians honest (to the extent that we can have any confidence in quite a few aspect of our smoke and mirror status quo financial institutions and systems that seem to operate on spin, convolution and obscurity).
Jay - I am glad to learn you feel this way about spot Bitcoin ETFs!

There are needs to be practical without expecting that those third-party services and/or derivative products are the same as bitcoin. We also should not presume that various third-party derivative products are not problematic in regards to several use cases that bring value to bitcoin, even if they serve some purposes of allowing for bitcoin price exposure.
I frequently suggest that newbies to bitcoin get started in whatever way that they can, and I don't even push the idea that they have to start out with self-custody, since I understand that in some regards, it can take a bit of time to get used to bitcoin, so in some regards, it may well be better to start out with investing in various derivative products and/or even buying bitcoin through an exchange while learning about bitcoin and self-custody... so it could take 3-6 months or even a year for some newbies to get used to aspects of bitcoin and to transition into self-custody.. so in that regard, I consider it better to have exposure to bitcoin rather than not having exposure, yet you BTCETFInvestor have made arguments that self-custody is inferior to buying those various bitcoin derivative products, which seems that you either don't understand bitcoin or you are trying to spread misinformation by wanting to promote derivative products as if they were superior, when they are not.
Individuals have fewer excuses, even though surely I can imagine some situations in which they might have had built their investments through various traditional kinds of investment accounts, so they have some difficult times learning the value and the importance of self-custody, especially in an asset like bitcoin.. which is different from all other assets - except there are shitcoins trying to imitate it, yet difficult for them to establish strong network effects if they are not at least 10x better than bitcoin.
[...] extra stresses [...]
haha bitcoin is the most stress free investment ever at this point
ok, well for low cost basis folk anyway.
but hey folks if one hodls long enough yall may be saying the same thing to btc noobs like two cycles from now
not financial adviceGuys are in various stages of their bitcoin investment journey, and for sure, the longer that any of us have been in bitcoin, then the more likely that the passage of time and our emphasis on buying and then holding and not overly selling ended up contributing to our having had created a distance between our cost basis and the current price...or even the anticipated bottom price.
It still can take a long time for any of us to get to the point of feeling "stress free."
I am not going to anyone to be a long term bitcoiner, yet instead it seems that the safer investment is to assume most people are either no coiners or they are new to bitcoin, so they are building up their stash, and in the process of building their stash, it can surely take a decently long time to get into a status of "stress free."
A lot of guys do not even have great levels of discretionary income, and they also might have challenges with their cashflow management to be able to clearly establish that they have enough discretionary income to be able to fairly aggressively invest into bitcoin without stress.
Even if we might presume that some guys might be able to invest fairly aggressively into bitcoin, such as 15% to 25% of his income into bitcoin (presuming that money is discretionary funds), then it could still take him 4 to 7 years to get up to 1 years of his income into bitcoin, and even if he gets 1 year income into bitcoin, it could take a while for that quantity of money to sufficiently appreciate, since maybe he is not able to front load his investment into bitcoin and if the price of bitcoin is going up as he is investing into it, he might lose confidence in deploying as much aggressiveness in his investment into bitcoin, since he will perceive that the BTC price is high and that he might not be investing wisely by buying as the BTC price is going up.
Many guys are also not even in a position to be able to invest 15% to 25% of their income into bitcoin, and they might be lucky to be able to invest 10% of ther income into bitcoin, which means that it will take around 10 years for them to have had invested a whole years income into bitcoin.
Anyhow. I think that I said enough, and I am repeating myself to say that it tends to take a long time to build up an investment.
Even yourself. You likely did not feel stress free with your bitcoin in your first whole cycle buying bitcoin, even though we came to find out that we could have invested a whole cycle in the past and then we could stop investing. Now days, there are likely needs for most folks to invest into bitcoin 2-3 cycles or even more to really get to a point in which their bitcoin investment might start to feel less stressful, and not even that is guaranteed.
Hey, I took a week off, anything interesting happen?

No.
17. Post 65910499 (unedited backup) (by joker_josue) (scraped on Sun Oct 12 01:05:50 CEST 2025) in Troca de Bitcoin por USDT ou USDC:
Tem aplicativos como o DollarApp que voce simplesmente envia USDC e cai USD na sua conta, e voce pode converter pra euro por taxa irrisória. Tem um KYC muito básico,. mas nao vai expor sua identidade do forum
Se o KYC é básico, pode tornar as coisas interessantes.
Melhor que a Binance então?
Vou ver se dou uma vista de olhos com mais cuidado e eventualmente uns testes.
18. Post 65910139 (unedited backup) (by Rikafip) (scraped on Sat Oct 11 23:09:49 CEST 2025) in Brief monthly overview of the local board activity:
Good job Rikafip! Just a few days after August.
Here is the updated chart race of boards race
Thanks, I updated the overview with your animated chart race.
Croatian local board is doing better, but we are always looking for new members to accept

Yep, we recovered nicely and are keeping good numbers. All that was needed is a couple of new members and our local became way more lively than before.
It happens when I am late publishing my review and you are quick publishing yours: there is only one day difference!
Lol!
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This is how it starts, and before you know it, I'll start publishing my overviews before you, like it was in the past.

19. Post 65909881 (unedited backup) (by Forsyth Jones) (scraped on Sat Oct 11 21:51:31 CEST 2025) in Troca de Bitcoin por USDT ou USDC:
Ontem eu acessei a hyperliquid de novo, vi que a maioria das moedas que eu costumo trocar, como LTC não tem, mas já é um bom começo.
Eu ainda não operei nenhum valor por lá, pois meus fundos já estavam na bybit.
Não tem KYC @bitmover ? Mesmo se não usarmos USDC pra depositar ou sacar?
20. Post 65909506 (unedited backup) (by JayJuanGee) (scraped on Sat Oct 11 20:13:14 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:
[...]I am very disappointed.
You are very greedy.
Will you still be very disappointed when Bitcoin dips to $1.0M from $1.4M in 2030?
Perhaps some people can never get enough, no matter what.
I know that you don't completely agree with the idea of luck, yet as long as we are not dead (or perhaps if we have (or had) at least a 4 year investment horizon when we got started), we are so damned fortunate to have had come across bitcoin and come to the realization that it was a place in which we could put value, and yeah, we did not know for sure that it was going to go up, but we considered it as a potentially promising place.
There are so many folks who either don't hear about bitcoin or if they hear about it, they do not recognize and appreciate it as an opportunity, which continues to be true to this day.
Some of us who have been in bitcoin for a while start to believe that the bitcoin trade is obvious, even if it may well be obvious to some of us, since even if there were advantages in being aggressive in our investments, those folks who were moderate and/or even conservative in their bitcoin investment, were still able to profit quite extensively, as long as they stayed somewhat consistent in their buying of bitcoin and erroring on the side of buying and HODLing it.
Sure, there are some guys who have been in bitcoin more than 6 years and still have costs in the $30ks to $50ks, so they might ONLY have 2.5x to 4x profits in their bitcoin holdings, yet there are quite a few of us who have costs per BTC that are quite a bit below $30k, even below $10k per BTC - which surely should have had allowed us to offset the debasement of the dollar and various other fiat currencies.
I suppose some of us have figured out various ways to maintain cashflow in our lives so that we don't feel any urgency to be cashing out much if any of our BTC, and I don't have any problem if guys want to make somewhat radical upgrades to their lifestyle - yet at the same time, it is probably healthier to try to figure out ways to gradually upgrade your lifestyle rather than radically upgrading, even if you are able to radically upgrade. Not everyone is going to agree with my viewpoint, that is for sure, and surely various aspects of a person's situation - even their age, might cause them to shoot for high aspirations that may well be contributing to extra stresses that may well not be necessary... but hey, to each their own.
Lucky I feel.. .
Hopefully no observers got liquidated during that flash crash.
It is problematic to be playing with leverage, even though surely, there are guys, even in these here parts, who choose to use leverage of some sort or another in their ways of dealing with bitcoin... and sometimes even more leverage than they can handle financially and/or psychologically.. and therefore, small dips can sometimes end up with fairly high magnifying effects.
Historically, it seems that we had much more volatility and even emotions. I recall a lot of time that "stay calm" used to be quite a common theme in these here parts.

You seem to think that the solution is to sell in order that you have more money in case the price falls..
Yet if you are merely investing within your income then you just keep investing no matter what, whether the BTC price falls or not.
sure, you could hold back some of your buys, so that you are only buying with half of your income, so if the price goes down, you have some money saved up, yet you might end up saving up way more than you need, and then the price does not end up going down, and so you end up with too much fiat when you should have had been buying bitcoin all along.. which seems to be your issue already, if you had not been buying steady since early 2017, so you still have not figured out your mistake and you keep repeating it by failing/refusing to ongoingly, regularly, persistently, consistently and perhaps even aggressively buy (of course, within your already existing discretionary income, whatever that might be). Another thing is trying to figure out ways to increase your discretionary income by increasing your income and/or by cutting your expenses, and maybe trying to reach an accumulation rate that is greater than 15% of your income. or some other kind of large number that is also reasonable.
Everything started making sense, LOL.
Hopefully. You are still in a good place, even if it is taking you a long time to figure out that the key to bitcoin is to keep stacking until you reach some acceptable version of overaccumulation status. There are surely a lot of guys who prematurely conclude that they have reached overaccumulation status based on concerns that the prices are continuing to go up... Yet, part of our recognition should still be that so many normies still don't know what the fuck bitcoin is, even though some of them think that they do based on their having had heard the word, "bitcoin."
Well, FYI - I am not investing all my income in Bitcoin.
You are reading me (my post) wrong. I was merely trying to suggest that some guys can ONLY invest from their income since they either do not have anything saved (and/or they do not have liquid places in which they could draw upon to invest in bitcoin), so they can only invest from their income as their income comes in.. .. and they might not even be able to draw from their income in advance because they either have bad credit, no collateral and/or insufficient credibility in terms of their ongoing income continuing to come in (not that I consider borrowing against your future income to be a good idea, especially for people who are already with questionable credit worthiness or questionable future cashflow and/or back up ways to pay the loan in case the investment goes to zero or does not adequately perform).
I actually cannot afford to do that. I mainly save my signature earnings from the forum and keep that in Bitcoin. I sell some portions from here to cover my pocket expenses, and I have a real-life job to cover my family expenses. That is how I have been doing so far. But I sometimes sell more from my holdings to buy new gadgets and devices. Probably, I am doing it wrong because I am following these trends. I could save them if I wanted.
You are in the best position to judge any places in which you are able to increase your income and/or cut your expenses, and so surely it is good that you have figured out various ways to earn bitcoin and to transact with bitcoin, and so that puts you at a certain advantage over folks who still have not yet learn those kinds of aspects of bitcoin.
You likely have had a bit of a problematic mentality when it comes to bitcoin, in terms of your inclinations to spend it without replacing it, and sure, I understand if some of your income is coming from bitcoin, there may well be times in which your various basic expenses exceed your income, so you have to figure out from some places in which to draw from various resources that you have in order to cover the various basic expenses, which is part of the reason that guys will keep various back up funds so that they have cash cushions to cover their expenses when things are not going well or maybe even in times that they might have made some mistakes in their calculating of their income versus their expenses.
No one can really tell you how to manage your funds and/or how much to emphasize accumulating bitcoin, since level of aggressiveness (or priorities) and/or levels of whimpiness are within your own choices including your putting some efforts in to identifying the value of bitcoin as an asset and/or as a vehicle to both present and future empowerment (empowerment with the potential of having of more options).
We all got rekt again

I wish I had some fiat to buy back again.
A so far 13% correction is hardly anything to pay attention to, and sure guys are in different phases of their bitcoin investment journey, and so you have to figure out where you are on the spectrum of accumulation, maintenance, liquidation or some combination of those and perhaps some priority to one or another depending.. and guys who are in their earliest years into bitcoin will be at various stages of accumulation, so as their bitcoin stash grows they may well find themselves to start to transition into some aspect of the next stage up, yet it still can take guys well over 10 years to get through their accumulation stage, especially if they are building their bitcoin ONLY from their income and they don't have other places in which they can reallocate into bitcoin or other ways to front load their bitcoin without engaging in unnecessary risks.
Maybe I am a bit too conservative, sometimes, yet it seems to me that there are ways to invest that are mostly focused on building and not taking too many chances of a lot of things potentially going wrong and/or devolving into trading and/or gambling rather than investing. There are a lot of guys who seem to mix up trading and investing, and sure there are ways in which trading/investing overlap, yet at the same time, some guys seem to wrongly conclude that with bitcoin they need to transition between buying and selling their bitcoin in order to hopefully build their bitcoin stash in a more rapid way... yet frequently trying to rush an investment (like bitcoin) might either contribute to opposite results or even hinder the building process in unnecessary ways.
It seems that you might need to just ongoingly focus on building your bitcoin, and if you sell any bitcoin that you have, then spend and replace them in a fairly short period of time, yet you likely have to rethink what targets you are trying to reach.. so for example, if your current income is $20k to $30k, yet you were shooting for something like a $40k per year income that could be completely supported by bitcoin, then from my point of view,
right now you would need right around 7.455 BTC or more to reach that threshold of being able to perpetually draw $40k per year and with a 7% per year optional income increase.
Even if you currently do not have 7.455 BTC, and maybe you ONLY have 1.5 BTC (which it seems that you don't even have that much, even though you have been in registered on this forum since early 2017)... but let's say that you were to either have 1.5 BTC or able to accumulate that amount by 2031, then perhaps
by 2031, 1.5 BTC would be enough to support a perpetual income of $40k per year with 7% annual increases.
Of course, projections of future prices are not guaranteed, yet it still can be helpful to have some ballpark ideas about where we are at (how did we get here should be more concrete) and where we think that we might be able to go. None of this is guaranteed. We do our best based on our circumstances as they are and what we realistically might consider to be within our capabilities, and sometimes we will end up in a better situation than we had expected ourselves to be, which has been the case with quite a few folks who have been in bitcoin for a long time and who have stayed focused on accumulating and mostly holding their bitcoin.
21. Post 65908368 (unedited backup) (by joker_josue) (scraped on Sat Oct 11 15:28:07 CEST 2025) in Troca de Bitcoin por USDT ou USDC:
Você pode converter por fiat depois, mas voce ja tera o usdc
Fica mais facil.
Em que sentido fica mais fácil?
O KYC deixa de ser relevante?
22. Post 65908160 (unedited backup) (by joker_josue) (scraped on Sat Oct 11 14:36:19 CEST 2025) in Troca de Bitcoin por USDT ou USDC:
Mas, se fizeres a conversão para fiat tens de fazer KYC, ou não?
23. Post 65907753 (unedited backup) (by LoyceV) (scraped on Sat Oct 11 12:19:43 CEST 2025) in Complete overview of users on DT1 and DT2 and their ratings:
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24. Post 65907436 (unedited backup) (by bitcoinPsycho) (scraped on Sat Oct 11 10:24:14 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:
Well Trump’s ruined the bull market.
Q4 torched by that orange retard.
The top might be in, hard to see us pumping significantly now. Stocks down, Bitcoin down more obviously. Zero strength here, pathetic. Tariff FUD lasted months last time so cycle possibly over.
Glad I sold some Friday @ 121k.
No more "dump before the pump"?
I would hate for the cycle to be over so soon.
I don't buy it.
I will bet you that we get $127k or higher before the end of the year and if not the end of the year before the end of the 1st quarter 2026.
I am not going to lock myself into thinking that the top of the cycle has to happen within this calendar year.
You want to bet?
Anyone?
Anyone?
Also, I will bet you that we will not reach below $80k prior to December 2027 (and we can also use $300k as another way to close such bet before the end of 2027).
Well a retreat to 118.6k and I grabbed some.
we are bouncing back to 119.1k
maybe I caught the bottom with the 118.6 buy
If I were Bob, I'd say my plums tell me differently. Being just me, I'll say it's my gut. I think we're revisiting some low numbers over the weekend while the dust settles.
Disclaimer: full SOMA.
got some 117.9 dip just now so you are right that 118.6 is not low enough
thank god for the copper and silver sales
I got some at $120k, some at $115.5k, some at $112.2k, some at $108.5k and some at $105.1k..
The last two were an overshoot by that exchange, so then I was supposed to sell the $108.5k and the $105.1k ones at $109k and $112k respectively - however, the price was shooting up to $114k while I was trying to place the sell orders, so I just sold one of them at $114.27k and the other at $114.17k.. .. so now everything is back in order with the next buys at $108.5k-ish and the next sells at $116.5k-ish.. so really 3 orders filled, but two additional orders on one of the exchanges due to an overrun... perhaps a fat thumb?
Well Trump’s ruined the bull market.
I may have missed it, but what happened?
If a single person can ruin the bull market, Bitcoin deserves it. So I refuse to believe this is possible.
A post raving against China being bigly baad, especially with export controls on rare earths, and yuuge anti-China tariffs coming. Wait, I'm fetching a link...
EDIT Here it is
https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1976664345435414918Yeah but my silver and copper will go up up up
You better not sell them, then.
Repeat your ongoing dumb.

Retail is absolutely missing as well.
This time it's different.
My rule in this game: If in doubt, hodl.
Most pathetic cycle so far for Bitcoin.
Not even 2x the last cycle high from 2021 of 69k.
Most pathetic is very subjective.
There are a lot of great things going on in bitcoin, and the 200-WMA is up from
$16,126 on October 11, 2021 to $53,662 today. That is a 3.33x appreciation in the bottom price, which seems quite amazing to this here cat... best investment that has been available for everyone and anyone, as long as such persons have a discretionary income and such person choose to invest rather than trade.
Of course, having at least a 4-10 year investment timeline is helpful too, and the longer investment timelines have had the benefits of compounding value, especially if we go back even further in the cycles.
Yeah, of course, you are anxious to sell.. but that may well be upon you failing/refusing to take profits along the way and putting too much emphasis of certain tops that you would like to reach with a certain timeline.
And, we already know that dee cornz is not exactly on a schedule, even though it sometimes might seem like it is on a schedule.
We were at 109k in January 2025 when Trump had his inauguration.
You know better than that.
We had a trump pump that went from $69k-ish to $109k-ish within about 2.5 months. That was nearly a 60% price increase in a short period of time.
We also had pretty much a move from $27k in October 2023 to $109k in January 2025 - that is right around 4x..
but yeah, maybe we have to go back to the 200-WMA in order to help to calm
"ourselves" the fuck down.
No?
You might deserve either a bat slapping, or the treatment from Airplane (the movie).
We are being vastly outperformed by Gold in 2025.
Who cares?
Gold is a dying relic.
zoom out.
Gold has not done shit in the past 15 years,.. and yeah, maybe it is not fair to measure gold from its earlier 2011 top, and so sure gold is a bit of a go-to asset at the moment.. yet bitcoin is around 1,000x better than gold.. so it may take some time for the market to figure it out.
This cycle is making me question my conviction going forward about uber long term holding.
You sound over invested.
I’m selling nothing else this year at these prices but long term, maybe the gains in Bitcoin we have been so lucky to have in the past are no longer a thing. Too much leverage trading and paper Bitcoin, maybe we are done.
Bitcoin is going up forever, yet at the same time, we have to expect some leveling off..
And, we have to also expect quite a bit of manipulation.
Volatility is not going away, and sure volatility can go in either direction, and sure UP is not guaranteed.
Clearly not dead, tick tock next block but to not even 2x from 2021 is weak.
I am very disappointed.
Oh gawd.

You do deserve to sell some, even though you seem to have enough sense to not be selling too much at these prices, yet why hang onto so much bitcoin, anyhow.
You likely have plenty of profits. You could probably sell 10% to 20% and not even be very phased, and you would get rid of some of your overinvestedness.
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Whether you save or you invest with whatever you sell is up to you. You likely have plenty of bitcoin, so why be greedy, especially if it is upsetting you so much.
You are overinvested.
Yep. We had a new ATH a mere 3 days ago, yet this is supposedly boring.
Doesn't make sense to me.
I don't celebrate every small ATH change. Do you?
Sure. I celebrate.
For the most part, many of us (perhaps royal?) have been having ongoing celebrations since late 2015. 2014 and 2015 were down and flat.. but by time we got to the end of 2015, the BTC price has been pretty much ongoingly UP since then.
Sure there have been some pauses along the way, but pretty much ongoing up since late 2015 when BTC prices were around $250... now BTC spot prices are right around 449x higher than what they were in late 2015.
Might as well look at the 200-WMA, too.
The
200-WMA was about $240 on October 11, 2015, so right now it is $53,662. So that is still right around 223.6x.. So either way, ongoing ATHs seem to be a thing, and yeah, they are still worthy of some level of excitement when they are continuing to happen, and likely not going to stop, either, even though we might experience some pausenings along the way, too.
US–China, tariffs, macro noise… whatever. Let’s stick to the tape:
~5× from ~$15k (Dec ’22) to ~$75k (Mar ’24).
~–30% pullback to ~$50k.
Then roughly ~2.5× since… but still no convincing expansion.
We’re now in Q4. It’s hard to see a clean 2× from the 2021 ATH (which was already underwhelming in fiat terms) without a decisive move soon.
I’m not trying to be a bear. But if you still believe in the current cycle (even shifted slightly into Q1 ’26), the higher-probability path might be more “new ATHs for ants” than a true hot green dildos ATH.
Let’s not be greedy or stubborn. If you want to avoid –50%/–60% drawdowns, you may need to rotate/hedge/take profits and be ready for another disappointing top unless the market reacts decisively this quarter.
ETH/alt market is still mostly underwater (not the topic of this thread, but worth noting).
Faith is there; pragmatism says the breaking point isn’t far. We’re already mid-October.
Not financial advice. Curious to hear the best bull counter-case.
There is no need for any kind of better bull counter-case, since you are free to do whatever the fuck you want, including taking some off of the table if you were expecting more, then you might not get it.
But then again, many of us already know that there are gloomy periods while bitcoin is performing quite greatly.
I recall a lot of doomer and gloomers throughout 2017 even though BTC prices went up quite greatly in that year, and even the correction did not bring us down to the lows that a lot of folks ( took their profits).
Even though you are a bit whiny, I almost sent you an smerit for laying out the "this is not enough" whiner case,. which is neither new for you or for some of the other whiners who "expected more" from dee cornz... .. but then as I was typing my response, I thought? Why reward the whiner?
wah, wah, wah.. give me my pacifier. we have had a so far 13% correction from our top from 5 days ago.. the world is ending, the world is ending... and the top is in... . wah wah wah.

At times, whining can be a bit contagious.
Quality post if I have ever seen one.
😀🤣😂 some excellent points right there
25. Post 65907302 (unedited backup) (by joker_josue) (scraped on Sat Oct 11 09:29:37 CEST 2025) in Troca de Bitcoin por USDT ou USDC:
Pq voce nao usa a hyperliquid? Eu comecei a usar por indicação do l3pox e estou achando ótima. Pode usar meu ref pra ter descontos em taxas: ROCINANTE
Qual é o link mesmo, dessa hyperliquid?
Eles não pedem KYC?
Como realizo tão poucas trocas, acabo por não fixar esses pormenores.
26. Post 65907262 (unedited backup) (by JayJuanGee) (scraped on Sat Oct 11 09:16:07 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:
Well Trump’s ruined the bull market.
Q4 torched by that orange retard.
The top might be in, hard to see us pumping significantly now. Stocks down, Bitcoin down more obviously. Zero strength here, pathetic. Tariff FUD lasted months last time so cycle possibly over.
Glad I sold some Friday @ 121k.
No more "dump before the pump"?
I would hate for the cycle to be over so soon.
I don't buy it.
I will bet you that we get $127k or higher before the end of the year and if not the end of the year before the end of the 1st quarter 2026.
I am not going to lock myself into thinking that the top of the cycle has to happen within this calendar year.
You want to bet?
Anyone?
Anyone?
Also, I will bet you that we will not reach below $80k prior to December 2027 (and we can also use $300k as another way to close such bet before the end of 2027).
Well a retreat to 118.6k and I grabbed some.
we are bouncing back to 119.1k
maybe I caught the bottom with the 118.6 buy
If I were Bob, I'd say my plums tell me differently. Being just me, I'll say it's my gut. I think we're revisiting some low numbers over the weekend while the dust settles.
Disclaimer: full SOMA.
got some 117.9 dip just now so you are right that 118.6 is not low enough
thank god for the copper and silver sales
I got some at $120k, some at $115.5k, some at $112.2k, some at $108.5k and some at $105.1k..
The last two were an overshoot by that exchange, so then I was supposed to sell the $108.5k and the $105.1k ones at $109k and $112k respectively - however, the price was shooting up to $114k while I was trying to place the sell orders, so I just sold one of them at $114.27k and the other at $114.17k.. .. so now everything is back in order with the next buys at $108.5k-ish and the next sells at $116.5k-ish.. so really 3 orders filled, but two additional orders on one of the exchanges due to an overrun... perhaps a fat thumb?
Well Trump’s ruined the bull market.
I may have missed it, but what happened?
If a single person can ruin the bull market, Bitcoin deserves it. So I refuse to believe this is possible.
A post raving against China being bigly baad, especially with export controls on rare earths, and yuuge anti-China tariffs coming. Wait, I'm fetching a link...
EDIT Here it is
https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1976664345435414918Yeah but my silver and copper will go up up up
You better not sell them, then.
Repeat your ongoing dumb.

Retail is absolutely missing as well.
This time it's different.
My rule in this game: If in doubt, hodl.
Most pathetic cycle so far for Bitcoin.
Not even 2x the last cycle high from 2021 of 69k.
Most pathetic is very subjective.
There are a lot of great things going on in bitcoin, and the 200-WMA is up from
$16,126 on October 11, 2021 to $53,662 today. That is a 3.33x appreciation in the bottom price, which seems quite amazing to this here cat... best investment that has been available for everyone and anyone, as long as such persons have a discretionary income and such person choose to invest rather than trade.
Of course, having at least a 4-10 year investment timeline is helpful too, and the longer investment timelines have had the benefits of compounding value, especially if we go back even further in the cycles.
Yeah, of course, you are anxious to sell.. but that may well be upon you failing/refusing to take profits along the way and putting too much emphasis of certain tops that you would like to reach with a certain timeline.
And, we already know that dee cornz is not exactly on a schedule, even though it sometimes might seem like it is on a schedule.
We were at 109k in January 2025 when Trump had his inauguration.
You know better than that.
We had a trump pump that went from $69k-ish to $109k-ish within about 2.5 months. That was nearly a 60% price increase in a short period of time.
We also had pretty much a move from $27k in October 2023 to $109k in January 2025 - that is right around 4x..
but yeah, maybe we have to go back to the 200-WMA in order to help to calm
"ourselves" the fuck down.
No?
You might deserve either a bat slapping, or the treatment from Airplane (the movie).
We are being vastly outperformed by Gold in 2025.
Who cares?
Gold is a dying relic.
zoom out.
Gold has not done shit in the past 15 years,.. and yeah, maybe it is not fair to measure gold from its earlier 2011 top, and so sure gold is a bit of a go-to asset at the moment.. yet bitcoin is around 1,000x better than gold.. so it may take some time for the market to figure it out.
This cycle is making me question my conviction going forward about uber long term holding.
You sound over invested.
I’m selling nothing else this year at these prices but long term, maybe the gains in Bitcoin we have been so lucky to have in the past are no longer a thing. Too much leverage trading and paper Bitcoin, maybe we are done.
Bitcoin is going up forever, yet at the same time, we have to expect some leveling off..
And, we have to also expect quite a bit of manipulation.
Volatility is not going away, and sure volatility can go in either direction, and sure UP is not guaranteed.
Clearly not dead, tick tock next block but to not even 2x from 2021 is weak.
I am very disappointed.
Oh gawd.

You do deserve to sell some, even though you seem to have enough sense to not be selling too much at these prices, yet why hang onto so much bitcoin, anyhow.
You likely have plenty of profits. You could probably sell 10% to 20% and not even be very phased, and you would get rid of some of your overinvestedness.
'
Whether you save or you invest with whatever you sell is up to you. You likely have plenty of bitcoin, so why be greedy, especially if it is upsetting you so much.
You are overinvested.
Yep. We had a new ATH a mere 3 days ago, yet this is supposedly boring.
Doesn't make sense to me.
I don't celebrate every small ATH change. Do you?
Sure. I celebrate.
For the most part, many of us (perhaps royal?) have been having ongoing celebrations since late 2015. 2014 and 2015 were down and flat.. but by time we got to the end of 2015, the BTC price has been pretty much ongoingly UP since then.
Sure there have been some pauses along the way, but pretty much ongoing up since late 2015 when BTC prices were around $250... now BTC spot prices are right around 449x higher than what they were in late 2015.
Might as well look at the 200-WMA, too.
The
200-WMA was about $240 on October 11, 2015, so right now it is $53,662. So that is still right around 223.6x.. So either way, ongoing ATHs seem to be a thing, and yeah, they are still worthy of some level of excitement when they are continuing to happen, and likely not going to stop, either, even though we might experience some pausenings along the way, too.
US–China, tariffs, macro noise… whatever. Let’s stick to the tape:
~5× from ~$15k (Dec ’22) to ~$75k (Mar ’24).
~–30% pullback to ~$50k.
Then roughly ~2.5× since… but still no convincing expansion.
We’re now in Q4. It’s hard to see a clean 2× from the 2021 ATH (which was already underwhelming in fiat terms) without a decisive move soon.
I’m not trying to be a bear. But if you still believe in the current cycle (even shifted slightly into Q1 ’26), the higher-probability path might be more “new ATHs for ants” than a true hot green dildos ATH.
Let’s not be greedy or stubborn. If you want to avoid –50%/–60% drawdowns, you may need to rotate/hedge/take profits and be ready for another disappointing top unless the market reacts decisively this quarter.
ETH/alt market is still mostly underwater (not the topic of this thread, but worth noting).
Faith is there; pragmatism says the breaking point isn’t far. We’re already mid-October.
Not financial advice. Curious to hear the best bull counter-case.
There is no need for any kind of better bull counter-case, since you are free to do whatever the fuck you want, including taking some off of the table if you were expecting more, then you might not get it.
But then again, many of us already know that there are gloomy periods while bitcoin is performing quite greatly.
I recall a lot of doomer and gloomers throughout 2017 even though BTC prices went up quite greatly in that year, and even the correction did not bring us down to the lows that a lot of folks ( took their profits).
Even though you are a bit whiny, I almost sent you an smerit for laying out the "this is not enough" whiner case,. which is neither new for you or for some of the other whiners who "expected more" from dee cornz... .. but then as I was typing my response, I thought? Why reward the whiner?
wah, wah, wah.. give me my pacifier. we have had a so far 13% correction from our top from 5 days ago.. the world is ending, the world is ending... and the top is in... . wah wah wah.

At times, whining can be a bit contagious.
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion.
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion.
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Re: What is the function of the "Merit" score?.
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Re: Forum ranks/positions/badges (What do those shiny coins under my name mean?).
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What is the function of the "Merit" score?.
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history) for
Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion.
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What is the function of the "Merit" score?.
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history) earned: 0 Merit.
3:
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history) earned: 7932 Merit.
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history) earned: 804 Merit.
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history) earned: 1 Merit.
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history) earned: 5 Merit.
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history) earned: 4 Merit.
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history) earned: 2 Merit.
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history) earned: 1 Merit.
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33. 6454 Merit received by achow101 (#290195) from 273 unique users in 2930 transactions
34. 6401 Merit received by DaveF (#300014) from 365 unique users in 3239 transactions
35. 6299 Merit received by stompix (#164749) from 471 unique users in 3492 transactions
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50286. 1 Merit received by 1Cryptonutaya1 (#2080901) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50287. 1 Merit received by 1ceStorm (#2342907) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50288. 1 Merit received by 1ce (#1019784) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50289. 1 Merit received by 1camtron (#1236351) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50290. 1 Merit received by 1apayment (#1855631) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50291. 1 Merit received by 1907KFY (#1935217) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50292. 1 Merit received by 16tonn (#3560052) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50293. 1 Merit received by 15horses1donkey (#560958) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50294. 1 Merit received by 15519028115Q (#3575647) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50295. 1 Merit received by 15262kk (#291561) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50296. 1 Merit received by 14z4rus (#3669471) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50297. 1 Merit received by 1453ist (#1431126) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50298. 1 Merit received by 1453eko (#1431103) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50299. 1 Merit received by 13Winter13 (#919666) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50300. 1 Merit received by 13ex07 (#1207068) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50301. 1 Merit received by 13dizel (#1208678) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50302. 1 Merit received by 1357924680 (#333305) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50303. 1 Merit received by 12tribes (#1221082) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50304. 1 Merit received by 12assa34 (#1729394) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50305. 1 Merit received by 123tm (#848549) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50306. 1 Merit received by 123pogi123 (#2252156) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50307. 1 Merit received by 123exo123 (#1919155) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50308. 1 Merit received by 112_blockchain (#2081987) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50309. 1 Merit received by 11:11pas (#1306783) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50310. 1 Merit received by 1083ivangod (#1952712) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50311. 1 Merit received by 101Crypta (#1287691) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50312. 1 Merit received by 100x (#80115) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50313. 1 Merit received by 100steeze (#3637720) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50314. 1 Merit received by 100%_Shared_FreeBitco.in (#2531436) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50315. 1 Merit received by 100monet (#323057) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50316. 1 Merit received by 1000x (#3509491) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50317. 1 Merit received by 1000usdforwife (#1547718) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50318. 1 Merit received by 1000alasan (#2458354) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50319. 1 Merit received by 0xMuted (#3713926) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50320. 1 Merit received by 0xBrian (#2625170) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50321. 1 Merit received by 0xb100d (#1342964) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50322. 1 Merit received by 0x77 (#3316521) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50323. 1 Merit received by 0x1Knowledge (#2000899) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50324. 1 Merit received by 0vx (#2805438) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50325. 1 Merit received by 0RajA0 (#1151527) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50326. 1 Merit received by 0nion (#3614135) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50327. 1 Merit received by 0bit (#493268) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50328. 1 Merit received by 063Myxa (#1432563) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50329. 1 Merit received by 05btc (#2050202) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50330. 1 Merit received by 00RedBlack00 (#2527578) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50331. 1 Merit received by 00hello (#2471124) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50332. 1 Merit received by $--Perfect. Exchange-$. (#1140007) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50333. 1 Merit received by $imple$imon (#2060672) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50334. 1 Merit received by $BitMakeR$ (#1166812) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50335. 0 Merit received by gwsukabokepjepang (#2536607) from 2 unique users in 2 transactions
Full list (5 MB)
Total number of users who gave away 1 or more sMerit: 26358Sample 1. 66909 Merit sent by El duderino_ (#1067333) to 874 unique users in 12085 transactions
2. 63699 Merit sent by fillippone (#1852120) to 2088 unique users in 27341 transactions
3. 63169 Merit sent by LoyceV (#459836) to 3273 unique users in 17050 transactions
4. 54395 Merit sent by JayJuanGee (#252510) to 3465 unique users in 52245 transactions
5. 54043 Merit sent by ABCbits (#359716) to 4341 unique users in 31425 transactions
6. 44308 Merit sent by vapourminer (#33156) to 3521 unique users in 30874 transactions
7. 41886 Merit sent by hugeblack (#1059082) to 2745 unique users in 14708 transactions
8. 41791 Merit sent by suchmoon (#234771) to 2887 unique users in 9154 transactions
9. 36640 Merit sent by DdmrDdmr (#1582324) to 2814 unique users in 29691 transactions
10. 36180 Merit sent by xandry (#382413) to 2451 unique users in 13380 transactions
11. 33333 Merit sent by Symmetrick (#2627711) to 2254 unique users in 16803 transactions
12. 32047 Merit sent by LFC_Bitcoin (#379487) to 1543 unique users in 13340 transactions
13. 31081 Merit sent by The Sceptical Chymist (#487418) to 1435 unique users in 10119 transactions
14. 26953 Merit sent by Welsh (#84521) to 1643 unique users in 6417 transactions
15. 26715 Merit sent by klarki (#407174) to 1984 unique users in 9706 transactions
16. 26661 Merit sent by EFS (#140584) to 1363 unique users in 6668 transactions
17. 26646 Merit sent by o_e_l_e_o (#1188543) to 2510 unique users in 9360 transactions
18. 25819 Merit sent by 1miau (#2143453) to 1315 unique users in 11613 transactions
19. 22424 Merit sent by dbshck (#153634) to 1314 unique users in 6442 transactions
20. 20982 Merit sent by pooya87 (#379147) to 1300 unique users in 9027 transactions
21. 20572 Merit sent by qwk (#24140) to 600 unique users in 6387 transactions
22. 15807 Merit sent by Halab (#1053119) to 1907 unique users in 6401 transactions
23. 15155 Merit sent by Foxpup (#55384) to 641 unique users in 5454 transactions
24. 15143 Merit sent by Vispilio (#982288) to 720 unique users in 5557 transactions
25. 15002 Merit sent by nutildah (#317618) to 1681 unique users in 6986 transactions
26. 14034 Merit sent by theymos (#35) to 1008 unique users in 1621 transactions
27. 13807 Merit sent by Pmalek (#112493) to 1127 unique users in 8513 transactions
28. 13637 Merit sent by NotATether (#2739424) to 1565 unique users in 3599 transactions
29. 13620 Merit sent by bitmover (#1554927) to 1258 unique users in 7779 transactions
30. 13341 Merit sent by Julien_Olynpic (#1166480) to 511 unique users in 6222 transactions
31. 13190 Merit sent by philipma1957 (#64507) to 1557 unique users in 6650 transactions
32. 12740 Merit sent by krogothmanhattan (#1000199) to 651 unique users in 3539 transactions
33. 12557 Merit sent by paxmao (#1192397) to 1301 unique users in 5787 transactions
34. 12350 Merit sent by CryptopreneurBrainboss (#1052091) to 1298 unique users in 7008 transactions
35. 12247 Merit sent by OgNasty (#18321) to 2889 unique users in 6597 transactions
36. 12215 Merit sent by dkbit98 (#1410401) to 1091 unique users in 7374 transactions
37. 12189 Merit sent by BlackHatCoiner (#2775483) to 791 unique users in 4096 transactions
38. 12114 Merit sent by chimk (#1202061) to 757 unique users in 4369 transactions
39. 12051 Merit sent by NeuroticFish (#257071) to 795 unique users in 5801 transactions
40. 10015 Merit sent by mikeywith (#2033515) to 536 unique users in 3903 transactions
41. 9645 Merit sent by d5000 (#85033) to 1047 unique users in 5581 transactions
42. 8734 Merit sent by DarkStar_ (#507936) to 971 unique users in 2196 transactions
43. 8712 Merit sent by bones261 (#452769) to 1032 unique users in 4239 transactions
44. 7911 Merit sent by BobLawblaw (#569455) to 327 unique users in 3244 transactions
45. 7799 Merit sent by Coolcryptovator (#1980983) to 998 unique users in 3387 transactions
46. 7693 Merit sent by OmegaStarScream (#375981) to 925 unique users in 3387 transactions
47. 7397 Merit sent by Buchi-88 (#204821) to 686 unique users in 6631 transactions
48. 7082 Merit sent by frodocooper (#988740) to 479 unique users in 2931 transactions
49. 6973 Merit sent by Hueristic (#198573) to 560 unique users in 6272 transactions
50. 6652 Merit sent by hosemary (#995810) to 476 unique users in 3775 transactions
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26309. 1 Merit sent by 3acaga (#1232502) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26310. 1 Merit sent by 360llqzc (#1300924) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26311. 1 Merit sent by 333btc (#3450760) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26312. 1 Merit sent by 3227jw (#2592839) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26313. 1 Merit sent by 2x2coindwarf (#2686612) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26314. 1 Merit sent by 2x25BT (#990097) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26315. 1 Merit sent by 2drive (#1304704) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26316. 1 Merit sent by 2andahalfBTC (#1142164) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26317. 1 Merit sent by 27QVUTZj8rgZP1 (#662730) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26318. 1 Merit sent by 27aume (#1001865) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26319. 1 Merit sent by 2342q6tegw (#1212678) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26320. 1 Merit sent by 214missy (#1285563) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26321. 1 Merit sent by 212fox (#1342293) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26322. 1 Merit sent by 1xbitpatnar (#3475604) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26323. 1 Merit sent by 1r0n (#1252002) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26324. 1 Merit sent by 1pool Ltd. (#2062862) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26325. 1 Merit sent by 1melyun (#543052) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26326. 1 Merit sent by 1cyrax00 (#964210) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26327. 1 Merit sent by 1CryptoSmurf (#1352746) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26328. 1 Merit sent by 1chempion123 (#1346880) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26329. 1 Merit sent by 1cak (#1136856) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26330. 1 Merit sent by 1amCrypt0 (#933826) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26331. 1 Merit sent by 19Nov16 (#921267) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26332. 1 Merit sent by 19nataliya12 (#1873934) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26333. 1 Merit sent by 19dimasik77 (#881779) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26334. 1 Merit sent by 1971ECPT (#3553473) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26335. 1 Merit sent by 17buratin (#1187494) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26336. 1 Merit sent by 13ex07 (#1207068) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26337. 1 Merit sent by 13Charlie (#76987) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26338. 1 Merit sent by 12retepnat34 (#1053271) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26339. 1 Merit sent by 10yearsolder (#1094878) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26340. 1 Merit sent by 10sat (#1162504) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26341. 1 Merit sent by 10casproj (#3515598) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26342. 1 Merit sent by 10BTCaDay (#396522) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26343. 1 Merit sent by 100kk (#1316426) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26344. 1 Merit sent by 100eth (#1324600) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26345. 1 Merit sent by 0xBitcoins (#2205183) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26346. 1 Merit sent by 0xBet (#3572636) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26347. 1 Merit sent by 0x0333 (#1913654) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26348. 1 Merit sent by 0vn1 (#1216048) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26349. 1 Merit sent by 0virtual (#1244555) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26350. 1 Merit sent by 0id1d (#3600764) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26351. 1 Merit sent by 0Alvaren0 (#2020991) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26352. 1 Merit sent by 01BTC (#1756786) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26353. 1 Merit sent by 01bits (#1629161) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26354. 1 Merit sent by 00HasH (#841746) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26355. 1 Merit sent by 00DKM@ (#1311705) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26356. 1 Merit sent by 00.00WIB (#3392171) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26357. 1 Merit sent by $@to$h! (#1183184) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26358. 1 Merit sent by $Talker (#1043705) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
Full list (3 MB)
Merit per day of the weekMonday 307122 (14.26%)
Tuesday 308079 (14.30%)
Wednesday 308309 (14.31%)
Thursday 329163 (15.28%)
Friday 328102 (15.23%)
Saturday 285800 (13.27%)
Sunday 286754 (13.31%)
Total: 2153329
* This file will be overwritten by newer versions
28. Post 65905570 (unedited backup) (by notblox1) (scraped on Fri Oct 10 21:22:49 CEST 2025) in l0tt0.com:
I believe to keep this status l0tt0.com must stay out of the radar. Keep business small, don't advertise it everywhere, etc... if it calls too much attention, becoming highly profitable and with too many people using it, authorities might even force them to comply with KYC AML stuff. Don't you think?
This could be the case with l0tt0, but I am sure dewez wants to see his website growing and having more customers playing.
It is not easy to get the right balance of staying under the radar and attracting more users to play.
i give you Plinko Mines... shit is FIRE! .....at L0tt0.com, orginals actually mean originals.. heh.
That is looking wild!

It reminds me on those old windows mine games, but with a crypto twist.
Take your time and make everything run smooth and without bugs, that is more important.
6) I updated my signature.
Congratulations!
Finally you reached a new game level, and next one is is 4 circles Senior Member

29. Post 65905412 (unedited backup) (by Paredao) (scraped on Fri Oct 10 20:46:14 CEST 2025) in Investigado em Fraude do INSS tentou comprar R$ 60 milhões em criptomoedas:
Os caras não sabem fazer nada, nem comprar uma criptomoeda... o nível de instrução das pessoas que nos rouba é baixíssimo. Lamentável, somos roubados por idiotas.
Com certeza. Veja o caso do metanol nas bebidas. Os malandros colocaram etanol de posto de gasolina achando que esse etanol também não era batizado.
Ai acabaram comprando metanol como se fosse etanol comum para misturar na bebida batizada. Que já seria uma filhadaputagem sem tamanho.
É uma burrice misturada com safadeza da pior qualidade.
30. Post 65905349 (unedited backup) (by joker_josue) (scraped on Fri Oct 10 20:30:43 CEST 2025) in Preço não para de cair. Nada mais pode ser feito.:
Dólar disparou, real em queda livre, 5,50 ja
Alguns analistas dizem que a queda deve-se a essa valorização do dolar.
https://exame.com/future-of-money/bitcoin-hoje-cripto-pode-continuar-caindo-caso-o-dolar-continue-se-fortalecendo-diz-especialista/Além disso, esta semana o Ouro voltou a valorizar.
Então, podemos estar perante uma correção de preço, com malta a liquidar para ir para ativos de baixo risco.
31. Post 65904928 (unedited backup) (by dewez) (scraped on Fri Oct 10 18:47:19 CEST 2025) in l0tt0.com:
Some games were also removed. O loved magic dice too, and also pick 7 (i think this was the name). I hope they come back in the next updates.
Pick Six? Lucky 7's? they are still there... the only game we have removed was Magic Dice.. It's been done, you can play it anywhere... so we removed it to remake it (plus with the race it wasnt fun that people could snipe a spot).
32. Post 65904565 (unedited backup) (by SquirrelJulietGarden) (scraped on Fri Oct 10 17:27:01 CEST 2025) in Is Ledger wallet still a good choice for Bitcoin storage in 2025:
I don't think Ledger is the best option. Trezor is the best choice for now, for sure.
However, despite all the criticisms, ledger devices are still safe to use. But not the best option.
They do have closed source policies, they had problems with customers data and they have a problematic mechanism to backup seed online (which is not mandatory). But nobody was able to hack a ledger device before, and all people that lost their coins using ledger were responsible for their losses.
The same is also true for Trezor, which is just as safe and they do not have those closed-source policies neither the seed online feature (But I do not think they have a better customer data policy)
Close source is not a favorite thing for a wallet with Bitcoin and cryptocurrency users. It's important as there are other hardware wallets that are open-source and have good reputation too like Trezor. So, it leaves very little reasons to choose Ledger if you want to buy a new hardware wallets. With people who already bought Ledger wallets, they can continue to use those wallets.
It's just whenever they buy new ones, let's ignore Ledger and choose Trezor or other open source hardware wallets in this list.
[LIST] Open Source Hardware Wallets.
33. Post 65903646 (unedited backup) (by babo) (scraped on Fri Oct 10 13:46:08 CEST 2025) in Brief monthly overview of the local board activity:
and it's crazy how the Nigeria section has grown so powerfully and heavily
I hope this really reflects the growth of cryptocurrencies in Nigeria.
We need ordinary people to understand the importance of bitcoin!! bitcoin is the future of us, the real future
34. Post 65903333 (unedited backup) (by God Of Thunder) (scraped on Fri Oct 10 12:16:49 CEST 2025) in 👑🏆👑BITZ.io Cryptocasino| 5 BTC Daily withdrawal | $1.5kk lvl up reward 👑🏆👑:
Hey guys, why did you abandon your Russian-language Twitter account (
https://x.com/bitz_casino)? There has been nothing new for more than a month, but you could also post memes or draw readers' attention to contests that are held in an English-language account.
And why not, for example, write that you have launched a signature campaign on this forum? It's just another reason to attract attention, and it's a good reason.

Hey xandry, I just forwarded this to my contact person, and I hope they will review it.
I also forwarded the suggestion written by bitmover.
Unfortunately, my contact is traveling from this country to that country to represent Bitz.io at various crypto meetups, casino conferences, and other events. They have a pretty busy schedule till the end of October, and they promised to give us more time at the beginning of November.
FYI - We just launched a Slot multiplier contest on the Games and Round section, which you may want to check.
PRIZE
🥇 1st - $120
🥈 2nd - $80
🥉 3rd - $50
🎖️ 4th: $35
🎖️ 5th: $15
⚡ Prizes will be sent to your Bitcoin wallet address
35. Post 65903116 (unedited backup) (by JayJuanGee) (scraped on Fri Oct 10 11:07:13 CEST 2025) in Buy Buy Buy or Sell Sell Sell?:
A person with a long-term mindset can never be an investor.
But it is people with bitcoin long term holding mentality that are considered or referred to as investors, so I am wondering where you got this your reasoning that people with long term mindset can never be investors. So tell me if they can never be investors what will they be? Your account is still new you should spend time reading some pages of the thread and get some insights it will do you a great deed.
The main objective is to collect Bitcoin and hold it for the shord term.
Are you for real?? Is that your main objective or you are speaking for everyone in your category? Sorry to disappoint you we don't do that here. Here the main objective is to collect bitcoin and hold for the long term. I won't stop you from your main objective, but you have to take this your objective elsewhere so you don't contaminate our community.
Surely members will get confused in their expression of ideas or even proclaim that everyone shares the same objectives.
This particular thread started out in March 2024, with questions about whether to buy or to sell BTC when BTC prices were in the $60k territory, and so we did largely top out in the $60ks and $70ks in early 2024 prior to the halvening, but then we also lingered between the upper $40ks and even getting back into the $70ks, and so largely staying between mid-$50k and upper $60k before breaking above that in November 2024.
So this thread did not start as an investing thread - even though the trading versus investing has frequently come up as a topic, with a lot of the participants in this thread leaning towards investing rather than trading, even though I would not proclaim trading to be off topic in this thread, even though many of us tend to be against the idea of trading bitcoin.
Although this thread started with buying and selling, I feel quite comfortable that it has turned towards Bitcoin investment.
Just because responses in the thread deviated from the original post, that does not cause the original post (or it's ideas) to no longer be on-topic, even if a large number of the posters here are speaking against the trading ideas that were contained in the OP.
At present, we have come out of a very low speed, and in just one year, Bitcoin has been able to create its maximum growth, which we have been able to achieve huge benefits through investment.
You have been registered on the forum for about 6 months longer than the start of this thread, so sure the BTC price has been pretty much continuously up during your time on the forum, at the time that this thread started and even going back to November 2022. So, yeah, we have had mostly an UP dynamic with a few periods of flat and some short term corrections... so yeah, everyone is in profits as long as they errored on the side of accumulating through buying and holding and not selling. That is what happens when we are in the price arena of all time highs.. which yeah, right now (and even today's dip down to $119,736, we have largely stayed within 5% of the ATH (of $126,272) from 3-4 days ago.
So yes. Everyone is largely in profits. The investor is likely not going to be affected, and he may well be continuing to accumulate, yet there are also investors who don't know what to do. They might not even know that an investor should not be thinking about selling (otherwise he will convert into a trader), but, yeah, guys who are new to bitcoin (such as within their first 4 years), might be confused about what they are supposed to do, and so threads like this one can be helpful to bat around ideas about what to do.
However, this thread has proven that investing in Bitcoin never causes loss.
Past performance does not guarantee future results. Sure, you can say that historically eveyone is in profits as long as they stayed focused on buying and holding.
However, it is inaccurate (and likely misleading) if you are suggesting that future profits are guaranteed based on BTC's past performance, even for investors.
As a result of investing in Bitcoin for just one year, the maximum benefit has been achieved more than twice.
So?
I would suggest the BTC price has been pretty much a steady grind up since November 2022, and if you are an investor, you should not be getting too worked up about BTC prices, especially if you have less than a whole cycle investing, unless you were agble to front load your investment, then sure, you might be o.k. and you might have average costs of your BTC below the 200-WMA, which
happens to be at $53,615 right now.
If you notice that the benefit generated by investing in Bitcoin through the DCA method is several times more than the capital you have invested in Bitcoin. Then if you can hold Bitcoin in this way for the next few years, then it will definitely be possible to achieve success in Bitcoin with the maximum benefit.
Are you planning to sell in a few years? You really think that you get maximum benefits in a few years?.. so let's say that you had been investing in BTC for 4-5 years, and let's say that the BTC price generally goes up during those 4-5 years whle you are DCA buying. Are you really in a place to maximize your benefits from merely a 4-5 year investment period of DCA buying of BTC?
Sure many guys DCA, yet there are other ways to invest, including lump sum buying and buying on dips. I am not much of a fan of buying on dips for beginner investors, even though it could have its role, especially if guys supplement in periods that they might have lump sum funds come available and they might consider front running their bitcoin investment.
36. Post 65902721 (unedited backup) (by joker_josue) (scraped on Fri Oct 10 08:45:43 CEST 2025) in Brief monthly overview of the local board activity:
Looking at this animation we can see how many changes happened in last few years, and this is only for local board.
Maybe you should create something similar using this tool but for signature campaigns.
That is an amazing idea
It just would be a bit hard to collect data.
Like payment per month and how long it lasted. For the most important signature campagins (and there are way too many of them)
I had actually already thought about this, about collecting this data to see how the BTC price has evolved over the weeks.
It's information that can be processed in many ways. Now, who's willing to go to the trouble of collecting all of this over the last 10 years or so?
37. Post 65901622 (unedited backup) (by joker_josue) (scraped on Fri Oct 10 00:08:37 CEST 2025) in Dados de merit da nossa aba local:
Tivemos uma queda curiosa na circulação de merits, voltamos ao patamar anterior. Mas foi um mês de baixa atividade.
Sim. Mas, olhando para o racio foi um bom mês de merits.
Temos de recuar até abril/junho de 2023 para ter o mesmo racio, meses onde tivemos quase o dobro dos posts que fizemos em setembro.
Realmente o mês de setembro teve uma baixa ativada. Porque terá sido?
38. Post 65901527 (unedited backup) (by dkbit98) (scraped on Thu Oct 9 23:37:56 CEST 2025) in Brief monthly overview of the local board activity:
Thank you for another great monthly overview.
I can't believe how fast some local boards are changing, and some of them didn't even exist not long ago.
Croatian local board is doing better, but we are always looking for new members to accept

Looking at this animation we can see how many changes happened in last few years, and this is only for local board.
Maybe you should create something similar using this tool but for signature campaigns.
39. Post 65901452 (unedited backup) (by rdluffy) (scraped on Thu Oct 9 23:15:31 CEST 2025) in Cripto Isentas - Congresso defende o povo e derruba aumento de impostos do Lula:
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Quem sabe o governo federal resolva cortar benefícios e privilégios indevidos em vez de buscar fazer ajuste fiscal somente no aumento de impostos.
Jamais aposte a favor do Brasil bitmover

Ninguém com poder que está la em cima tem coragem de fazer algo do tipo
Foi bom ver uma pequena derrota do governo
Olha o que vi ontem, é fenomenal:

Sacanagem com nós brasileiros
40. Post 65900925 (unedited backup) (by mikel_012) (scraped on Thu Oct 9 20:35:43 CEST 2025) in Como perder seus Bitcoins com CTRL-C CTRL-V:
Pra quem usa uma hardware wallet é ainda mais seguro porque ela sempre vai te mostrar o endereço de destino no dispositivo, que obviamente não te impede de seguir todas as recomendações do OP mas pelo menos já elimina o risco da wallet também estar comprometida. Melhor ainda seria usar uma HW como a da ColdCard que permitem que você escaneie o qrcode na tela do PC pra não correr o risco desse malware.
E por incrível que pareça, naquele hack de bilhoes da bybit, o cara simplesmente nao olhou o visor da ledger e fez a transação de bilhoes de dolares sem conferir o endereco.
Nao existe nada 100% seguro contra uma pessoa distraída, com pressa ou desatenta.
O importante é sempre conferir tudo mil vezes , principalmente qd mandando grandes quantias.
Na verdade o maior problema foi que você não consegue identificar o que a transação faz no visor da ledger por que ela é muito longa e complexa. As transações que só enviam ethereum aparece o valor e o endereço, mas a transação de um contrato inteligente da ethereum é mais complexa e aparece apenas o valor bruto que é em um codigo hexadecimal, ou seja é impossível identificar o que está assinando só assim. Então eles confiaram na tela da Safe Wallet que mostrava dados falsos por que foi invadida pelos hackers enquanto a transação dava controle a carteira para eles.
A informação que saiu na midia foi que a pessoa autorizou sem olhar o visor da ledger.
Esse site por exemplo, a certik, uma das maiores empresas de segurança e blockchain
Esse caso que voce mencionou provavelmente acontece com os modelos antigos que tem blind sign. Não foi o caso desse incidente. Tem varios artigos pela internet falando que a pessoa nao verificou no dipositivo e apenas olhou na Safe wallet.
Edit: A ledger exeplicando que so tem blind sign nos modelos antigos (que é meu caso e provavelmente o seu tb)
Clear Signing in the Ledger Ecosystem
Ledger has a dedication to implementing clear signing whenever possible. In Ledger Live, you’ll find that many of your transactions will provide you with the full details of exactly which assets you are transferring and who to—before you sign.
The key benefit of clear signing on a Ledger device is its secure screen. Unlike your smartphone or laptop, your Ledger device’s screen is immune to spoofing. Since the screen of your Ledger device is driven directly by the secure element, you can trust the details it shows. This combined with clear signing ensures that what you see is what you sign. Whether you’re using a secure touchscreen on a Ledger Stax or a secure screen on a Ledger Nano S Plus or Ledger Nano X, you can rest assured that the details it shows are authentic.
https://www.ledger.com/academy/topics/ledgersolutions/what-is-clear-signingSe mudaram e dava pra ver a transação foi erro crasso mesmo. A transação ficava tão feia no visor que nem faz sentido olhar nele, por que mesmo olhando você não entende o que assina.
Eles deviam ter buscado um dispositivo que mostra os detalhes da transação e sempre conferir antes de assinar, mas confiaram que a tela do Safe Wallet nunca seria invadida

41. Post 65900760 (unedited backup) (by mikel_012) (scraped on Thu Oct 9 19:52:02 CEST 2025) in Como perder seus Bitcoins com CTRL-C CTRL-V:
Pra quem usa uma hardware wallet é ainda mais seguro porque ela sempre vai te mostrar o endereço de destino no dispositivo, que obviamente não te impede de seguir todas as recomendações do OP mas pelo menos já elimina o risco da wallet também estar comprometida. Melhor ainda seria usar uma HW como a da ColdCard que permitem que você escaneie o qrcode na tela do PC pra não correr o risco desse malware.
E por incrível que pareça, naquele hack de bilhoes da bybit, o cara simplesmente nao olhou o visor da ledger e fez a transação de bilhoes de dolares sem conferir o endereco.
Nao existe nada 100% seguro contra uma pessoa distraída, com pressa ou desatenta.
O importante é sempre conferir tudo mil vezes , principalmente qd mandando grandes quantias.
Na verdade o maior problema foi que você não consegue identificar o que a transação faz no visor da ledger por que ela é muito longa e complexa. As transações que só enviam ethereum aparece o valor e o endereço, mas a transação de um contrato inteligente da ethereum é mais complexa e aparece apenas o valor bruto que é em um codigo hexadecimal, ou seja é impossível identificar o que está assinando só assim. Então eles confiaram na tela da Safe Wallet que mostrava dados falsos por que foi invadida pelos hackers enquanto a transação dava controle a carteira para eles.
42. Post 65900724 (unedited backup) (by joker_josue) (scraped on Thu Oct 9 19:40:31 CEST 2025) in Como perder seus Bitcoins com CTRL-C CTRL-V:
Nao existe nada 100% seguro contra uma pessoa distraída, com pressa ou desatenta.
O importante é sempre conferir tudo mil vezes , principalmente qd mandando grandes quantias.
O ponto é mesmo esse. Eu acho que foi das primeiras coisas que eu aprendi quando comecei a mexer no Bitcoin - confirmar, confirmar e confirmar.
A pessoa em cada transacção deve ter medo de fazer algo errado, esse medo irá permitir a pessoa estar atenta e a verificar bem o que está a fazer.
Alem disso o cuidado deve começar na sua atitude na Internet e a usar o computador. Todos os seus comportamentos irão influenciar tudo o que pode acontecer ou não.
43. Post 65900482 (unedited backup) (by Rikafip) (scraped on Thu Oct 9 18:36:25 CEST 2025) in Brief monthly overview of the local board activity:
I've been slacking with these overviews for quite some time, publishing them at the end of the month, so this time I've decided to do it a bit earlier for a change. As always, all charts and table are made using data from @DdmrDdmr
Merit Dashboard and @TryNinja
Ninjastic Space.
Communities marked with * (Pakistan, Bengali) don't have their own local boards.
Post activity per local board during September 2025Increase of activity in Nigerian board continues, from 3812 posts in August to 4255 in September, making it their new all time high. At the same time, majority of the other very active local boards had decreased activity, and that's something that is going on for a while.
Generally speaking, no surprise that total amount of posts written across local boards dropped from 13107 in August to 12612 in September.
Active members per local board during September 2025During the last month, 1292 members wrote at least one post in one of the local boards, which is a decrease compared to August (1344).
While in August Russian board still had more active members than Nigerian board, this changed in September and now Nigerian is finally topping this chart as well, and the difference will probably keep increasing. All the other local boards are far behind the others, with mostly decreased number of active members compared to month before.
Local board members per amount of posts during September 2025When it comes to the members who wrote only 1 post, Spanish is the leader with 54% of such members, while Pakistan local had only 12% members in that bracket.
In the 2-9 posts bracket, Polish the leader with 60%, while at the same time Croatian had the lowest percentage of such members (21%)
Regarding the 10+ posts bracket, Nigerian and Portuguese local boards ahsred the 1st spot with 47%, while French had only 6% of members in that group.
Merit shared per local board during September 2025During September, 8922 merit was shared acorss local boards, which is a decrease compared to month before (9258). Even the record high 2964 merit that was shared in Nigerian board didn't help, which is due the fact that many of the other active local boards had decrease of merit in that period. It will be inreersting to see whether Nigerian local breaks the 3k merit shared mark, something that hasn't been broken in local boards since the early merit days, back in 2018 in Russian board.
Merit/Post ratio per local board during September 2025 The average merit per post across local boards was 0.7, the exactly the same as in August. Once again Romanian is at the top, and this time with even higher ratio than month before, and again followed by German board while this time Italian board is 3rd instead of Spanish.
Merit senders and receivers per local board during September 2025During September, 582 members sent while 656 received merit. Nigerian local board dominates this board as well, with the diference that hasn't been seen in a long time.
Percentage of merited posts across local boards during September 2025I thought that 100% of merited posts in Romanian board was just an anomaly, but they almost managed to achieve that 2 months in a row while Polish board also had a very high percentage, but its no so weird given their amount of posts. What is a surprise though is Italian board, given their pretty good overall activity (that was lower than usual in the last few months).
Merit per transaction across local boards during September 2025This month German board is at the top having which is not the surprise given their high merit per post ratio, but French and Greek definitely are.
The most active members per local board during September 2025Last but not the list in this monthly overview, list of the most active members per local board. joker_josue from Portuguese board remained at the top with 144 posts, while executijere and mandown from Turkish board are at the 2nd and 3rd spot with also respectable 140 and 124 posts. GG guys, keep it up!
44. Post 65900147 (unedited backup) (by Forsyth Jones) (scraped on Thu Oct 9 17:01:55 CEST 2025) in Cripto Isentas - Congresso defende o povo e derruba aumento de impostos do Lula:
Pessoal, não abaixem a guarda, estamos no governo das trevas, tudo é possível. Vide aquela vez que mesmo com reprovação do congresso, bastou o nine ir chorar no SFT que o aumento do IOF passou como se o congresso não fosse nada.
Desse desgoverno desgraçado eu não duvido nada!!! nada mesmo!!
Já vi essa novela, vão fazer um "imposto alternativo" pra compensar, aí depois a MP volta e ficamos com os dois.
Enfim, seja porque foi votada contra ou porque caducou, oque importa é que temos uma vitória... pra quem como eu que já estava se conformando em ter que pagar mais imposto, isso é quase como se fosse uma "reviravolta" de algo que já estava valendo, eu já tinha me conformado pelo menos

E depois que a MP cai, o mesmo tema nao pode ser incluído em nova MP por um tempo. Ou seja, as isenções de criptomoedas vao continuar valendo por alguns anos .
Vamos ver como o governo vai fazer. LCI LCA e criptos eles nao podem taxar.
Edit: Mas houve uma votação para incluir ou não ela na pauta. Não foi um processo automático. Os deputados decidiram não incluir ela na pauta, por votação
45. Post 65899917 (unedited backup) (by Don Pedro Dinero) (scraped on Thu Oct 9 16:06:14 CEST 2025) in 👑🏆👑BITZ.io Cryptocasino| 5 BTC Daily withdrawal | $1.5kk lvl up reward 👑🏆👑:
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Every day I need to enter my password and username to claim the bitcoin rewards. A persistent login would make things easier for us all!!
Well, I have another one.
I am the only one who is not receiving any advertising emails from Bitz.io? It just seems so strange to me, and I don't know if it's because of some error that I'm not on the list or if they're not being sent to anyone. I regularly receive emails from other casinos, some of which I haven't played at in a long time, but none from Bitz.io. I think it would be positive to send emails automatically, at least once a week, to everyone who registers (unless they opt out), and when there are promotions, things like that.
46. Post 65899636 (unedited backup) (by Bridgoro) (scraped on Thu Oct 9 14:47:56 CEST 2025) in [ANN] Bridgoro Exchange - Participate in Beta Test and Earn up to 300 USDT:
Chipmixer also faced problems with stolen btc funds , from binance hack.
Stolen funds are always a problem, it doesn't matter which chain they belong to.
Ofc, usdt may just be frozen and bitgoro will lose money.. which cant happen to DAI or BTC , but they service may just be seized
It's really great to discuss the project at such an early stage with experienced people whose advice helps us foresee potential issues.
For instance, regarding Tether: after reading your comments, we found a possible solution for the problem of stolen USDT.
To protect users, we plan to introduce an additional mechanism that verifies the legitimacy of incoming USDT transactions when they reach the buffer wallet (
e.g., through an AML verification bot).
If the system detects a red flag, it will automatically trigger the rollback process, preventing the exchange from taking place and protecting users from compromised funds.
We will add this feature during stablecoin implementation process.
47. Post 65899567 (unedited backup) (by Johnlomape) (scraped on Thu Oct 9 14:28:31 CEST 2025) in l0tt0.com:
[When it comes to effort part then it's true that Josh has given so much time to L0tt0.com and it's due to his efforts and hard work that a platform like L0tt0 is there and it's only his own true vision due to which L0tt0 is fully KYC free. I'm pretty sure that L0tt0 will remain as KYC platform for as long as possible.
Being a KYC-free casino is certainly amazing. This is the only one I know so far.
I believe to keep this status l0tt0.com must stay out of the radar. Keep business small, don't advertise it everywhere, etc... if it calls too much attention, becoming highly profitable and with too many people using it, authorities might even force them to comply with KYC AML stuff. Don't you think?
Do we still have non KYC casinos that operate like the KYC casinos with plenty features? I am surprised to this one. For you to admit that this casino is KYC free that means that you must have used it several times to confirm that. If they don't operate like the casinos that called themselves decentralized having uninteresting features, that will be beautiful to give this a try.
Most KYC free casinos are becoming KYC mandatory casinos because of the government obligations to make them ask players for KYC verification to curb money laundering and fraud transactions...(Government politicians are the money launders themselves) and it can be annoying to see all their attacks on KYC free casinos/exchange
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49. Post 65898648 (unedited backup) (by Skjadoon) (scraped on Thu Oct 9 09:53:55 CEST 2025) in eXch - instant exchange BTC / LN / XMR / LTC / ETH / ERC20:
There are still many good alternatives, where you can simply exchange any btc for stablecoins without kyc/aml. For now, i like to use Hyperliquid but there are many other good ones.
Hyperliquid isn't non-custodial, though. They like to pretend they are. They carry out checks on the coins that get deposited on their exchange. I have read several stories of users who have had their bitcoin frozen on Hyperliquid and simply locked out of their accounts. I considered using them in the past but not anymore. Do an internet search on "
can hyperliquid freeze your funds" or something similar and you will see what I am talking about.
Yeah, i know they are custodial service.
Just like exch or any other service.
Every time you send bitcoin , those coins can be frozen.
In my situation , they accepted many coins that were refused by other services.
I think people from bitcointalk could benefit a lot from hyperliquid. It is way better than 99% of the exchanges that advertise here. I think even 100% lol
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/3-6m-drained-hyperliquid-defi-124149253.htmlis this the one you are referring?
50. Post 65898047 (unedited backup) (by alegotardo) (scraped on Thu Oct 9 04:03:14 CEST 2025) in Cripto Isentas - Congresso defende o povo e derruba aumento de impostos do Lula:
E depois que a MP cai, o mesmo tema nao pode ser incluído em nova MP por um tempo. Ou seja, as isenções de criptomoedas vao continuar valendo por alguns anos .
Vamos ver como o governo vai fazer. LCI LCA e criptos eles nao podem taxar.
Edit: Mas houve uma votação para incluir ou não ela na pauta. Não foi um processo automático. Os deputados decidiram não incluir ela na pauta, por votação
Eles não podem reeditar a MP e incluir de novo, mas nada impedem eles de criar um Projeto de Lei, fazer uma nova "MP maquiada" alterando alguns trechos ou incluindo justificativas para escapar de uma reedição literal ou sei lá... se quiserem eles dão um jeito de incluir isso em algum tipo de "pacote fiscal" no futuro.
O que me preocupa é que a novela não deve terminar aí... já li que isso não é só coisa do governo Lula não, tanto a Receita quanto o BC dizem que as criptos geram movimentações bilionárias que não são tributadas, oque é verdade.... mas tu já viu um governo não querer crescer o olho para aquilo que tá dando sopa e não podem meter a colher? Os cara até permitiram as bets em um país onde os cassinos sempre foram probidos, oque vai impedir eles de tributar as criptos e fechar isso que já chamaram de "brecha fiscal" ?
Fora que eles já sacaram também que o Bitcoin e as stables vão atrapalhar bastante os planos deles de criar e popularizar o Real Digital e aquele Drex que tão chegando em 2026.
Aiai... será que to sendo muito pessimista? Ou dá pra continuar sonhando?
51. Post 65898004 (unedited backup) (by alegotardo) (scraped on Thu Oct 9 03:26:49 CEST 2025) in Cripto Isentas - Congresso defende o povo e derruba aumento de impostos do Lula:
Que notícia maravilhosa!
Mas só pra deixar claro pra quem não leu a notícia ou esteja por fora do assunto (o que é difícil né, kkkk)... essa MP não foi votada no plenário antes do prazo expirar, na verdade o plenário simplesmente se recusou a incluir ela na pauta e então a MP simplesmente "caducou" e asiim as mudançss que estavam previstas para entrar em vigor no ano que vem simplesmente não vão mais acontecer por enquanto.... a MP perdeu a validade, não foi sequer votada contra, a lei nunca foi confirmada.
Enfim, seja porque foi votada contra ou porque caducou, oque importa é que temos uma vitória... pra quem como eu que já estava se conformando em ter que pagar mais imposto, isso é quase como se fosse uma "reviravolta" de algo que já estava valendo, eu já tinha me conformado pelo menos

Quem sabe o governo federal resolva cortar benefícios e privilégios indevidos em vez de buscar fazer ajuste fiscal somente no aumento de impostos.
Uhum... me convenci de que o papai noel existe de verdade, voltei à acreditar nisso após 30 anos

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I think that when most gamblers login to a casino platform to gamble, they are less concerned about the games with lesser risk than others and more concerned about gambling on their favorite game which happens to the game that the have the best knowledge about.
Definitely some games are less risky compared to other games, that’s not the common reason gamblers prefer a particular game rather as mentioned favorite game. The less risky game can’t give a good return aside wins the odd can be little compared to hot games played by every gambler, for example slot is considered difficult yet people still find means to play slot always, the fact is there’s no risk free game.
63. Post 65897434 (unedited backup) (by JayJuanGee) (scraped on Wed Oct 8 23:23:02 CEST 2025) in JJG’s Outline of Bitcoin Investment Ideas:
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Of course, the specifics of allocation and reallocation are going to differ from person to person, and so many times in traditional investments, there may well be allocations to various asset, so when you invest over a long period of time, then you bring your assets back into their original balances, which from my thinking largely ends up being that you end up watering your weeds rather than watering your plants.
My initial allocation from investing was around 13.5% in bitcoin in late 2015, even though in late 2014, I was thinking that 10% would have had been a good enough allocation to bitcoin.
I still owe some Ethereum, which I am considering selling now at the end of this cycle. They are basically 6-7% of my bitcoin holdings
What is your take on this JJG? Would convert them all now? Do you own any altcoin? This is the only altcoin that I owe, which performed pretty well but a little behind bitcoin (since 2017 when I bought it)
I am considering selling to buy some bitcoin or traditional investments
Of course, I am not a big fan of any shitcoins, even though it may not hurt to have 1% to 2% of your bitcoin holdings in various shitcoins in order to experiment with having various options, yet I would surely not consider them as much of a hedge or an investment, but instead as a way to play around and learn about various other things going on in the space, that may or may not be scammy.
Some guys cannot resist temptations to trade and/or to gamble, and so I recognize that gambling can be quite a slippery slope and even cause a sucking of value into trades, whether that is trading bitcoin or getting involved in shitcoins, and I would recommend to have no more than 10% of the value of your bitcoin holdings involved in shitcoins and/or trades, yet of course, guys can figure out if there might be situations in which it might be justified to override such self-imposed limitations.
I cannot recall ever having any more than 2% of the size of my bitcoin in shitcoins, and that was perhaps during that days in which we were rewarded bcash in late 2017, so it was ONLY temporary that I had that many shitcoins, and I have retained a few shitcoins just to watch them, and all of them added up are less than 0.5% the size of my bitcoin holdings... and I am not even sure if it matters which ones I hold, since I don't necessarily give them much attention or even buy or sell them. They just sit in my various wallets (or on exchanges) as just in case ways to potentially transact... and so just a means to give me transaction options if there might be circumstances in which such options might suddenly come up.
Regarding ethereum specifically, I think that I first got exposure to it in 2017. I bought a certain quantity of them that might have been in the ballpark of 1% of my BTC investment portfolio.., and the price was around 0.06 of a bitcoin, and then I sold about 75% of what I bought when the price was bouncing around 0.09% of a bitcoin, and soI have been holding the remaining portion of that Ethereum ever since without really thinking about them, except that I had to move them around a few times between exchanges and then also on a hardware wallet. I don't give too many shits about whether they go up or down or go to zero.
I have owned BNB since about early 2018. I bought it because Binance had advertised it as a way to receive discounts on trades on their platform (which applies to buying and selling BTC), so the fees would be like 25% less or something like that, so bought a certain quantity of BNB at around $13.50 per coin, and I thought that the supply would last me a couple of years of trading, and so in the past 7.5-ish years, I have been using that same supply of BNB, and I still have right around 2/3rds of the quantity of what I bought, and the other 1/3 had been being used to pay trading fees and to receive discounts on trading fees. The value of my BNB holdings in dollar terms is about 65x greater than the amount that I paid for them. So that has been a pretty good shitcoin buy, even though I hardly give any shits about them, and I have not been active in buying/selling them - only just using them to pay trading fees on Binance, and there surely have been a lot of times that folks suggested to remove all coins from Binance and/or that Binance US is for sure going to get closed in the USA and blah blah blah, and sure in about 2020, I was forced to discontinue using Binance, so I ended up creating a Binance US account and moving whatever I had on Binance over to Binance US.. and even with Binance US, they had frequently suffered issues of hardly having any trading, and other likely mostly trumped up charges of their averting US laws blah blah blah.
I mostly don's use or play around with shitcoins, even though my experience with BNB has been pretty good, even though I had been just using it as a utility coin without paying hardly any attention to it, except that I had been ongoingly glad that it was both saving me trading fees and largely paying for itself in regards to any trading fees that I had been paying on Binance and/or Binance US over the past 7.5 years-ish.
I cannot really say what you should do with your shitcoin(s) (aka ethereum) or anything else like that, and your current holding amounts of ETH (6-75 of the size of your BTC holdings) are within acceptable limits, even though it also seems a bit high.
Your reasons for holding ethereum is likely meant as a bitcoin hedge, and I don't really agree with that, yet even with a hedging justification, you are not really holding a lot... even though your BTC had gone up overall, yet since 2021 they have largely been down compared with BTC, especially since their dumb ass move into proof of stake in mid-2022 - hardly seems to be a justification to continue to hold that crap, even though surely I just kept holding the token amount that I was holding since I hardly give any shits about the portion that I am holding.
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Advising to sell off your Bitcoin investment and start again just because your analysis shows that you made enough profit doesn't sound good and/wise, yea. It's a wrong Bitcoin investment strategy if you ask me, yea. Though you/or everyone has a right to decision of what they want to do with there Bitcoin holdings. Or are you referring to selling part of the investment or all, and if you would sell your investments and start again as you stated, how many percentage(%) should be sold, and how long would you take to get back to accumulating to the level of that same price you sold considering to increasing level of Bitcoin?
Peherps the reason you opined for a sell is the fear of dump and/or future possibilities of dump that might occur. An investor selling off his Bitcoin assets because of dumps that are not certain, dumps that may not even come or no idea of when it will come is just too unrealistic, yea. Bitcoin in years and in more circles(2-3 or more circles)will surely overcome and outweigh such dumps.
Looking at the dump season you sighted above that occurred in 2017 and 2019 respectively, can you compare the price of Bitcoin now(2025) to the dump that occurred? Don't you think an investor would be far in upper hand in his holdings and high profit if he had overlooked the dump and kept on accumulating? Perhaps, if he sold because of dump, he must have lost compared to Bitcoin now, and that wouldn't be good for an investor.
Consistent buying of Bitcoin and Hodl for long term(4-10 years or more) have been the best strategy to maximise full potential of Bitcoin, even though nothing is promised, but this has proven right and most valuable way of holding Bitcoin over the years. Fuck selling off Bitcoin because of the fear of dump, which is not even certain.
You should have understood why I presented such information where I was in favor of long-term investment. I said that sometimes profit should be taken. As an example, I brought 2017 and 2021. In these 2017 and 2021, the market dumped a lot, due to which many investors faced huge losses. However, even in the conditions of facing such huge losses, those who trusted in Bitcoin are now making a good amount of profit, but those who did not trust the market and sold their investment at that time are now regretting it. Whether an investor sells or holds on to their investment is entirely up to them, but long-term investment has a time frame. Now if a person invests for four years and if four years have already been completed and he is already in profit, what will he do at that time?
Just because you held through a whole 4-year cycle does not mean that you should be considering selling any of your coins, even though you might assess and reassess what you had been ding through the 4 years that you had been holding bitcoin and allow what you had been doing to help to inform you the extent to which you have accumulated enough coins or if you need to keep accumulating.
4 years might not even be nearly enough time to accumulate enough BTC in order to change the strategy, even if the person may well be in decent profits.
Let's say that a person with an income of around $30k per year had been accumulating in the ballpark of 17% of his income in bitcoin, which would be about $100 per week and around $5k per year, and so over the past 4 years he may well could have had invested $21k into bitcoin and accumulated right around 0.55 BTC.
I would conclude that that the guy is in a pretty damned good position to have had been able to accumulate more than 0.5 BTC in the past 4 year, yet at the same time I would assert that the guy is not anywhere close to having enough BTC, and he may well need to spend another 4 years, accumulating bitcoin at a similar rate and continue to assess his status in regards to whether he might start to change the way that he is accumulating bitcoin...and figuring out at what point he has enough or more than enough bitcoin.
You are free to come to differing conclusions about whether 4 years is enough and whether being in profits is a sufficient enough status in order to motivate you to change your bitcoin accumulation approach.
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You said it well honestly. The information we are gradually gathering on this forum by the day learning from people's mistakes and success story including the guidance of JJG on trading related matters on this forum. JJG has always been so beneficial to us thereby dropping new updates and sharing his experiences on the forum through threads and that's what truly makes it sweet because it is not a static knowledge rather the knowledge flows
like a river that will never dry.
To the extent that I claim to be human, we all die at some point or we are otherwise incapacitated or even diverted into "other projects."
And, yeah, thanks. I am largely attempting to share some of my ideas that sometimes I will adjust and sometimes I might get confused by my own ideas or how they might apply to the points that other forum members might make, and so in that sense, each of us can attempt to benefit from these kinds of bitcoin/investing and/or cashflow management kinds of interactions.
Why did I say so, it is because on JJGs threads, where you can calmly ask your questions and boom the next person on the thread will try to provide solutions to your problems unlike a book that you have to wait for the next publication before you check for what you are looking for.
But if we reason it closely and properly, having a book even if it's ebook in the name of JJG would be a great idea, I am ready to volunteer to join the team that will edit the manuscript because I'm pretty sure that the book will be filled with wisdoms he's been dropping on his threads since way back as it will serve as a solid place of knowledge where people can learn trading related knowledge from start to finish.
I would not mind working with a ghost writer (or an assistant or a co-author) if there might be someone who I consider to be sufficiently compatible and willing to work with me through such a project, if we might figure out some ways of organizing it and going through it.
We can release the book in editions starting from edition 1 as the book becomes an achieve of knowledge to always refer to from within and outside the forum (outside world) and the forum will remain the lab where the ideas are hatched, cooked and tasted.
I am not opposed to anything like that, even though it might be better carried out through a thread that would work around such topic, even if it were to end up as some kind of a group project. For sure, guys have varying skills, and even some guys could contribute aspects of their own stories, if that might be filled into certain segments of such a book and/or one of the editions, if something like that were to be able to be carried out.
Would it be possible to keep this thread more focused? I have it coming up many times on my watchlist now but mostly they are generic discussions.

I do have this thread as "self-moderated," so it is true that I could either delete posts or try to push guys to somehow relate their discussion to my various investment ideas, rather than going all over the place and into generic discussions as you describe them.
It seems a slippery slope, and I am reluctant to delete posts unless they deviate in fairly great and/or even purposeful ways that come off as trolling, shilling and/or going into non-substantive personal attacks.. .but yeah, you are correct that the thread was hardly active for the past nearly 4 years, yet in the past few weeks it became active, yet that still might not motivate me to want to go into deletion mode - at least not so far.
64. Post 65897316 (unedited backup) (by Rruchi man) (scraped on Wed Oct 8 22:49:55 CEST 2025) in 🎲 BetFury.io|⚡️ Free BTC|⚡️ $3mln Dividends paid|⚡️ $200K Jackpots|⚡️ $1mln Cas:
I think there are some games which are less risky than others.
I think that when most gamblers login to a casino platform to gamble, they are less concerned about the games with lesser risk than others and more concerned about gambling on their favorite game which happens to the game that the have the best knowledge about.
It is only a few number of gamblers who concern themselves with games that have a low house edge as a way to maximize their chances of winning.
With more knowledge on casino games, we will have more gamblers who actually put this under consideration.
65. Post 65897266 (unedited backup) (by Ambatman) (scraped on Wed Oct 8 22:37:26 CEST 2025) in [ FREE RAFFLE #1 ] only Nigeria Local community!! 🃏:
A little off topic but are we up-to 99 active users on the forum?
If it's a person to a slot, it wouldn't be filled within the stipulated date
Many people ain't really interested in slot game and loss interest more when the odds are lower.
Okay yes I'm many people I will announce a BTC-block which will determine the winner.
I'm guessing it's via Bitmover tool.
66. Post 65897002 (unedited backup) (by Dogedegen) (scraped on Wed Oct 8 21:30:19 CEST 2025) in JJG’s Outline of Bitcoin Investment Ideas:
Would it be possible to keep this thread more focused? I have it coming up many times on my watchlist now but mostly they are generic discussions.

I still owe some Ethereum, which I am considering selling now at the end of this cycle. They are basically 6-7% of my bitcoin holdings
What is your take on this JJG? Would convert them all now? Do you own any altcoin? This is the only altcoin that I owe, which performed pretty well but a little behind bitcoin (since 2017 when I bought it)
I am considering selling to buy some bitcoin or traditional investments
Since it represents a small percentage of your portofolio I would say that you should ride it out this cycle. The reward/risk ratio is still pretty high and you should see whether the famed altcoin season comes or not. If it does that means that there is a bit more upside left for ETH too. However, as soon as you see the focus shifting from ETH to other L1 altcoins you should dump it. If you want to try some cycle trading as I've discussed with JJG in other places, you could dump it for a stablecoin and try to catch Bitcoin at the next market low.
I won't speculate where that might be or whether this cycle will be different and break previous patterns. We will find out soon enough.

67. Post 65896554 (unedited backup) (by Wiwo) (scraped on Wed Oct 8 19:10:31 CEST 2025) in Mixers to be banned:
Even centralized exchanges can also be used as a form of mixer.
Good old times when we had no KYC. I remember in 2021 Binance had like 3 BTC withdrawal limit without KYC or AML.
We could use kucoin, binance and many others as a way to break the link between addresses.
Not anymore.
I found it shocking that most popular mixers were centralized
basically nothing but bitcoin is decentralized. 99% of the time you see "decentralized" it is a lie, just trying to catch customers.
That is the obvious truth and as a matter of fact bad actors have exploited the decentralized services such as mixers and from my obvious experience mixers are really bad actors since there service could be exploited by hacker's and scammers and the trust issues with mixers being in custody of your coins while mixing in process, i think we should give theymos the kudos for taking the bold steps, stop mixer promotions around the forum, promoting mixers services is like promoting ponzi scheme again regardless how much they offers.
For now to get some level of trust one must be ready to give up privacy, since trust have become highly expensive, alot is happening in both the centralized and decentralized bitcoin services like exchange and mixers and for thsy we have to be more careful as actors to avoid getting caught up in any web.
68. Post 65896304 (unedited backup) (by ManeIntro) (scraped on Wed Oct 8 18:07:31 CEST 2025) in What is your take on Bitcoin Knotz? Bitcoin node and wallet by Luke Dashjr:
I see Luke jr is still active in both bitcoin core and bitcoinknots github.
If core devs stop developing because nobody uses their software anymore what would Luke do[/quote]
69. Post 65896074 (unedited backup) (by paco92x) (scraped on Wed Oct 8 17:07:13 CEST 2025) in Phil Zimmermannove misli o PGP-u - Svi bismo ih trebali pročitati:
Autor:
GazetaBitcoinTopic original:
Phil Zimmermann's thoughts about PGP - We all should read them
Uz
Kriptoanarhistički manifest i
Cypherpunk manifest koje smo u prošlosti predstavili ja i, respektivno,
bitmover, mislim da je još jedna priča koju morate pročitati je ona iza PGP-a, kako ju je ispričao sam Phil Zimmermann:
Zašto sam napisao PGP.
Esej je napisan u lipnju 1991. i ažuriran 8 godina kasnije, 1999.
Izražava Philovu zabrinutost zbog privatnosti, uključujući bilo koju vrstu privatnosti - od privatnih razgovora do privatnih e-poruka, razglednica i tako dalje.
„
Pravo na privatnost implicitno je prošireno kroz cijeli Zakon o pravima. Ali kada je donesen Ustav Sjedinjenih Država, Oci osnivači nisu vidjeli potrebu da izričito navedu pravo na privatni razgovor“, navodi Phil od samog početka.
On mudro pokazuje da svatko ima pravo na privatnost! Nažalost, ne vode svi računa o ovom važnom aspektu svog života. Ali ovaj esej bi mogao inspirirati one koji ga pročitaju. Objašnjava zašto bi ljudi trebali zatvoriti vrata pred onima koji narušavaju njihovu privatnost. Pokazuje zašto bi ljudi,
iako nemaju što skrivati, trebali imati pravo reći "
ne!". Pokušava vam otvoriti oči da se brinete o svojoj privatnosti, koja je jednako dragocjena kao i vaše vlastito tijelo.
„
Ako ste zaista građanin koji poštuje zakon i nema što skrivati, zašto onda ne šaljete svoju papirnatu poštu uvijek na razglednicama? Zašto se ne podvrgnete testiranju na droge na zahtjev? Zašto vam je potreban nalog za policijsku pretragu kuće? Pokušavate li nešto sakriti? Ako skrivate poštu u omotnicama, znači li to da morate biti subverzivni aktivist ili diler droge, ili možda paranoični luđak? Imaju li građani koji poštuju zakon ikakvu potrebu šifrirati svoju e-poštu?"
Sve navedeno su retorička pitanja. Ipak, trebalo ih je napisati kako bi ljudi razumjeli svoju situaciju - situaciju u kojoj su vlade i agencije za provođenje zakona (koje su dulje ruke elita) gladne osobnih podataka, financijskih informacija svojih građana, gladne podataka,
velikih podataka, a kako bi nahranili tu glad, uveli su nadzor koji se sve više razvijao, kako se sama tehnologija razvijala. Od prisluškivanja do ozvučavanja telefonskih linija i presretanja e-pošte. Nema razlike:
metodologija se promijenila, ali cilj je ostao isti - vlade moraju znati sve o građanima, bilo dobrim ili lošim.„
PGP osnažuje ljude da uzmu svoju privatnost u vlastite ruke. Postoji sve veća društvena potreba za njim. Zato sam ga i napisao“, objašnjava Phil na kraju.
Svi bismo trebali poslušati njegove riječi!"Ako je privatnost zabranjena, samo će odmetnici imati privatnost" -- Phil Zimmermann.
P.S.: Za više materijala o PGP-u,
nullius nedavno je napisao dva iscrpna i izvanredna posta (
ovdje and
ovdje).
Hvala, nullius, za tvoje tekstove! Inspirirao si me da ovo napišem!
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71. Post 65895765 (unedited backup) (by sabotag3x) (scraped on Wed Oct 8 15:35:43 CEST 2025) in CAMPANHAS DE ASSINATURAS ATUALIZADAS:
Acho que a tendencia desse tipo de serviço é ficar cada vez mais e mais obscura... mixers pequenos, que abrem e fecham, nada mais como antigamente o chipmixer (ou até a eXch que tinha um volume consideravel e é muito amigavel pra privacidade)
Para um serviço semelhante surgir, será preciso o criador pensar um pouco fora da caixa, de modo a equilibrar todo o sistema para tentar evitar esse abuso da lavagem de dinheiro. Não é fácil, mas acredito que seja possível.
O Vitalik Buterin (criador do Ethereum) já falou sobre um "mixer com KYC".. mas ai perde o sentido né.. seria o mesmo que enviar para uma exchange.
Um mixer que faça uma análise das moedas poderia resolver isso, o problema é que os hackers iam mover moedas recém roubadas antes de seus endereços entrarem no sistema.. então não mudaria muita coisa.
72. Post 65895693 (unedited backup) (by Cointxz) (scraped on Wed Oct 8 15:15:25 CEST 2025) in 🎲 BetFury.io|⚡️ Free BTC|⚡️ $3mln Dividends paid|⚡️ $200K Jackpots|⚡️ $1mln Cas:
Once again, dont hunt for bonuses, dont try to achieve wagering requirement on purpose. Use that bonus parallel your gambling session, focus on the game and you would notice how parallel gambling, wagering requirement is getting parallel completing. Or ignore it. You dont have to take every bonus. For example today BetFury offer me bonus that require playing Sweet Bonanza. Wanna play that game - play and dont pay attention to wagering, you will notice that you are pretty soon to completing requirement. Bonus will be a sweet addition to your gaming process. Dont feel like want to play Sweet Bonanza - skip bonus. I have it that simple.
I think there are some games which are less risky than others. Those games are better for fulfilling wagering requirements, as you will wager the same amount of money much more times.
Sweet bonanza may be one of those games, but not the lesser risk one. There are other games which are even more effective for fulfilling those wagering requirements
Maybe you need to choose low house edge games since maybe it can lessen your chances to lose.
I tried to find some games that has low house edge or risk for losing and this what I saw.
Blackjack 0.5%
Craps 0.0 -1.4%
Baccarat 1.06%
Video Poker 0.5 – 1.5%
Poker (vs players) Varies
European Roulette 2.7%
Pai Gow Poker 1.5%
Sic Bo 2.8% – 33%
Slots 2% – 15%+
Ultimate Texas Hold’em 2.2%
Three Card Poker 1.5 – 3.4%
Casino War 2.9%
Source
https://casinobeats.com/features/casino-games-with-lowest-house-edge/But still even if we choose those low house edge game, everything will still depends on the approach done by gamblers since if they are greedy there's really huge chance for them to lose and will get nothing in return after they finish or done playing.
Blackjack is the most solid game if you want the lowest house edge as much as possible. Using the perfect strategy from table matrix will give you that 0.5% theoretical house edge.
The good news about playing online blackjack is you can always refer to the table when playing and use it as guide.
The only cons is you will play slowly compared to game like plinko and dice that gives an instant result with low house edge too.
73. Post 65895389 (unedited backup) (by Taskford) (scraped on Wed Oct 8 13:57:19 CEST 2025) in 🎲 BetFury.io|⚡️ Free BTC|⚡️ $3mln Dividends paid|⚡️ $200K Jackpots|⚡️ $1mln Cas:
Once again, dont hunt for bonuses, dont try to achieve wagering requirement on purpose. Use that bonus parallel your gambling session, focus on the game and you would notice how parallel gambling, wagering requirement is getting parallel completing. Or ignore it. You dont have to take every bonus. For example today BetFury offer me bonus that require playing Sweet Bonanza. Wanna play that game - play and dont pay attention to wagering, you will notice that you are pretty soon to completing requirement. Bonus will be a sweet addition to your gaming process. Dont feel like want to play Sweet Bonanza - skip bonus. I have it that simple.
I think there are some games which are less risky than others. Those games are better for fulfilling wagering requirements, as you will wager the same amount of money much more times.
Sweet bonanza may be one of those games, but not the lesser risk one. There are other games which are even more effective for fulfilling those wagering requirements
Maybe you need to choose low house edge games since maybe it can lessen your chances to lose.
I tried to find some games that has low house edge or risk for losing and this what I saw.
Blackjack 0.5%
Craps 0.0 -1.4%
Baccarat 1.06%
Video Poker 0.5 – 1.5%
Poker (vs players) Varies
European Roulette 2.7%
Pai Gow Poker 1.5%
Sic Bo 2.8% – 33%
Slots 2% – 15%+
Ultimate Texas Hold’em 2.2%
Three Card Poker 1.5 – 3.4%
Casino War 2.9%
Source
https://casinobeats.com/features/casino-games-with-lowest-house-edge/But still even if we choose those low house edge game, everything will still depends on the approach done by gamblers since if they are greedy there's really huge chance for them to lose and will get nothing in return after they finish or done playing.
74. Post 65895217 (unedited backup) (by Zwei) (scraped on Wed Oct 8 13:01:37 CEST 2025) in 🎲 BetFury.io|⚡️ Free BTC|⚡️ $3mln Dividends paid|⚡️ $200K Jackpots|⚡️ $1mln Cas:
Once again, dont hunt for bonuses, dont try to achieve wagering requirement on purpose. Use that bonus parallel your gambling session, focus on the game and you would notice how parallel gambling, wagering requirement is getting parallel completing. Or ignore it. You dont have to take every bonus. For example today BetFury offer me bonus that require playing Sweet Bonanza. Wanna play that game - play and dont pay attention to wagering, you will notice that you are pretty soon to completing requirement. Bonus will be a sweet addition to your gaming process. Dont feel like want to play Sweet Bonanza - skip bonus. I have it that simple.
the problem i have with the bonuses betfury adds to my account every week is not the wagering requirement, that's the same everywhere... it's the 1.5x max claim.
imagine you hit something big, and then you finds out you can only keep 1.5x of the original bonus amount.
I think there are some games which are less risky than others. Those games are better for fulfilling wagering requirements, as you will wager the same amount of money much more times.
Sweet bonanza may be one of those games, but not the lesser risk one. There are other games which are even more effective for fulfilling those wagering requirements
you mainly have medium and low volatility slots, but usually casinos won't let you wager on them with bonus money.
last time i had bonus money that needed wagering on betfury (from the forum contest), all my favorite hacksaw medium volatility slots were disabled.
75. Post 65894530 (unedited backup) (by joker_josue) (scraped on Wed Oct 8 08:35:38 CEST 2025) in CAMPANHAS DE ASSINATURAS ATUALIZADAS:
Interessante que mencionaram "acontecimentos recentes no fórum". Alguém sabe o que seria?

Pois... fiquei curioso tambem.
Sei que houve uma confusão com o AB de Royse777, mas foi esclarecido e nada tem haver com essa campanha. Julgo que um casino qualquer fechou, tambem nada relacionado.
Não vi mais nada de relevante.
Agora, estou mesmo a ver que vão dar explicações numa board qualquer e eu nunca vou encontrar.

Se souberem de algo, digam.
Acho que a tendencia desse tipo de serviço é ficar cada vez mais e mais obscura... mixers pequenos, que abrem e fecham, nada mais como antigamente o chipmixer (ou até a eXch que tinha um volume consideravel e é muito amigavel pra privacidade)
Para um serviço semelhante surgir, será preciso o criador pensar um pouco fora da caixa, de modo a equilibrar todo o sistema para tentar evitar esse abuso da lavagem de dinheiro. Não é fácil, mas acredito que seja possível.
76. Post 65894290 (unedited backup) (by JayJuanGee) (scraped on Wed Oct 8 05:44:50 CEST 2025) in JJG’s Outline of Bitcoin Investment Ideas:
And, yeah, don't get me wrong, since of course, I am fairly highly allocated in bitcoin, yet I think that a lot of my allocation to bitcoin came from bitcoin's appreciation rather than what I put into it, even though in my first several years in bitcoin, I did end up giving a decent level of prioritizing in regards to investing in bitcoin, and then after I largely established my bitcoin position, I continued to give a certain level of priority in making sure that I did not sell too much of my bitcoin too quickly, even though I am not opposed to selling on the way up (price-based sustainable withdrawal) and also time based sustainable withdraw that I believe comes at a later stage in a guys having had held bitcoin, and each of us has to figure out the extent to which our accumulation of bitcoin might be enough or more than enough so that we can start to participate in price-based sustainable withdrawal and/or time-based sustainable withdrawal, which I believe are worthy and even attainable goals that many guys can aim to achieve as long as they have investment timelines of 4-10 years or more, and surely if you had already been accumulating bitcoin for several years (in your case, perhaps close to 2 cycles), then you may well be ready to enter into your next stage, whether that is maintenance or if that might be the employment of some form of sustainable withdrawal.
I consider myself fairly highly allocated in bitcoin as well, about 35%. And I have sold some this cycle, above 115k, which was transferred to gold.
Do you consider 35% a high allocation? People i know in real life just would consider me crazy if I told them that, this is why I would like to ask your opinion on this. I think you are likely more than 80% , but that is quite understandable considering how long have you been here
ha
Of course, the specifics of allocation and reallocation are going to differ from person to person, and so many times in traditional investments, there may well be allocations to various asset, so when you invest over a long period of time, then you bring your assets back into their original balances, which from my thinking largely ends up being that you end up watering your weeds rather than watering your plants.
My initial allocation from investing was around 13.5% in bitcoin in late 2015, even though in late 2014, I was thinking that 10% would have had been a good enough allocation to bitcoin.
Yet from late 2015 to late 2017, my bitcoin grew from $250 to about $19,666 (which would have had been by about 78x), and then corrected back down to around $4k-ish and the various prices in 2018, 2019, 2020 (which would have had been anywhere between 15x at $4k and 50x at $13k) and my various other investments might have gone up around 70% during that time between late 2013 and late 2020... so part of my thinking about the matter of reallocation related to my thinking that I should let the winners (in this case bitcoin) ride and why should I be reallocating back into the losers? except maybe in very small ways.. not in meaningful ways.
Largely, I have created some ways of selling on the way up and buying on the way back down which is supposed to serve as my own way of dealing with volatility and my own suggestion to myself that I have found a way to deal with issue of reallocating by mostly allowing my winner to ride by following my own formulas of selling on the way up, which I authorized myself to be able to sell up to 10% for every doubling, but I don't even really follow my own suggestion since I am selling less than 3% for every doubling.. yet Iam still good with that.
Earlier in this thread, I outlined how my own allocations had changed between late 2013 and mid-2022, yet I have not updated it since then... which I think that I have said enough to make my points about largely just letting the winner ride.
Late 2013 (just starting to get into bitcoin - BTC prices $1,100 -ish - immediately pre-bitcoin)
BTC Stocks Bonds (fixed/govt) Property Business Gold (Pms) Cash Hybrid Income generating funds other Created: June 29, 2022 (first posted on June 28)
0% 17% 6% 5% 5% 0% 6% 59% 2%
Late 2014 (nearly met my bitcoin allocation target - which was intended to be 10% - bitcoin prices downwardly sloped all of 2014)
9.5% 13% 5% 4.5% 4.5% 0% 4.5% 57% 2%
Late 2015 (over-allocated into bitcoin by about 3.5% more than intended BTC prices - in low territories mostly around $250 for most of 2015)
13.5% 12% 4% 4.25% 4.25% 0% 4% 56.5% 1.5%
Late 2017 (my first bitcoin pump up to $20k-ish - bitcoin grew a lot and other allocations grew less)
80% 2% 0.25% 0.25% 0.25% 0% 3% 14.2% .05%
Late 2018 (my first major bitcoin crash down to $3,124-ish - bitcoin values crashed but not as far as my late 2015 allocation)
42% 6% 1.25% 1.25% 1.25% 0% 2% 45.75% .5%
Late 2021 (my second bitcoin pump up to $69k-ish - bitcoin grew a lot and other allocations grew less)
89% 1% 0.125% 0.125% 0.125% 0% 3% 6.62% .05%
mid 2022 (my second major bitcoin crash down to $17,593-ish - bitcoin values crashed but not as far as my late 2018 crash, so far)
63% 2% 0.5% 0.5% 0.5% 0% 1% 22.35% .15% I am not sure if I should make more reallocations or not. However, I do have a comfortable financial condition now, which I would not like to lose if bitcoin goes really down for decades or whatever (which is unlikely)
Of course, you have to be comfortable with whatever allocation that you have and prepares you for both likely scenarios and also for unlikely scenarios,. and at the same time, you are likely not locked in, so you might make tweaks to your allocations from time to time.
Sometimes you can adjust a little bit up or down rather than completely reallocating, yet sure, if you feel better by constantly taking away from your winner (bitcoin) and putting that into your various losers (your weeds), the there is nothing wrong with that, even though you might consider making adjustments so that you are not overly doing it and giving some room for your winner to continue to ride, yet it can take a whole cycle of up and down of holding through it, so even with myself, if you consider that my first cycle was the 2017 one, then surely there was some comfort that the correction was still around 15x higher than my 2015 starting point... and surely there are many of us who consider that it is going to be a lot more difficult for bitcoin to have major corrections, if there are not major price explosions to the upside, so guys waiting for sub $100k bitcoin might not get their satisfaction.. yet we never know, which is part of the rationale of having some diversification in our holdins of various assets...
Even though it likely is true that my average cost per BTC are much lower, in recent times I have been liking to suggest that even if my costs per BTC are around $5k per BTC, we might say that right now withe bitcoin prices in the supra $120k territories, then my BTC holdings are 24x in profits, and so maybe BTC prices might fall back to being only around $80k, which would only be around 16x in profits, and sure it is possible that bitcoin could correct beyond expectations and without going through a top before it goes through a long correction period.. sure it is possible, yet for me, I see no reason to be fucking around with trying to trade. Sure, maybe it could be that I could sell some more BTC as the prices are going up, so instead of ONLY selling 3% for every doubling of the BTC price, then maybe I could shave off 6% or even 10%, yet it still might not matter so much to me if I shave some off at $200k or if I might shave some off if we dip back down to $100k, even though my level of enthusiasm for selling may well be a lot lower if I were to be selling as the bTC price goes down rather than selling as the BTC price goes up, yet since I have already been ongoingly selling as the bTC price goes up since about $250k, I already have my system in place, so I could use money within that system or even sell some extra BTC at any time, if I were to need some money or to be short on funds... or if I were to want to buy something that I don't otherwise have enough money.
Maybe if you are buying and/or selling, you lose track of your cost of BTC, yet there are surely a variety of ways to keep track of various assets that you have and to consider the extent to which you might draw upon them in the case that you might feel that you are at fuck you status or maybe at a partial fuck you status.. so sometimes you can start to be more elective with the kinds of work that you do if you are able to support yourself from your various investments, yet each of them is going to generate cash in differing ways, and I surely consider bitcoin to be the best cash generator of all of them, even though it is also likely true that it is better to sell your other assets first, before selling your bitcoin, since bitcoin remains the superior asset - which is part of the idea beyond sustainable withdrawal whether bitcoin is the only asset or if you might be supplementing other income and/or cashflow sources with your bitcoin.
Waiting is not a good strategy, and if you suggest that there is some level of knowledge that any newbie needs prior to getting started, then I interpret you as suggesting that waiting is a reasonable strategy, and I disagree with that, unless you can point out some specific handicap or issue that a person might have to work out. so for example, if a person cannot figure out whether he has a discretionary income or not then it might not be a good idea to get started investing in bitcoin, since there is a need to invest from discretionary income (money you can afford to lose) rather than from money that is needed for expenses.
All you said are actually true, but am a bit surprised that you are misinterpreting my statement the wrong way, when I am talking of knowledge, am not saying that a newbie investors should wait or must have everything pertaining to knowledge on Bitcoin before he should start.
Sure, it could be that we agree on everything, even though I interpret your statement as potential excuse for a newbie to delay getting started, whether you meant it that way or not.
What am trying to say is that when it comes to aggressive purchase of Bitcoin, a Bitcoin investor needs to be knowledgeable enough to know when he or she is over doing it,
Aggressiveness likely relates to how much of a person's discretionary income he is allocating to bitcoin investing, so if he has his finances in good order, then he can afford to be more aggressive, and if he does not have his finances in good order then he needs to be less aggressive, yet at the same time, sure knowledge and conviction might play a role in terms of how aggressive a person might feel that he is able to be... since if he has more confidence then he can be more aggressive, yet he still cannot be aggressive unless his cash flow management is in a strong place, otherwise he woud end up transitioning from investing into gambling.
which might put him in a difficult situation later on, and he also needs to know that his aggressive purchase of Bitcoin needs to be within the confinement of his discretionary income, because I believe that not everyone knows this fact.
That is true. Guys can mistakenly go beyond their discretionary income, which is part of the reason to keep back up funds, and those kinds of practices have to do with having knowledge of cashflow management practices rathe than having knowledge of bitcoin.
You did not seem to be saying that in your earlier post.
Some newbies investors sometimes mostly get carried away in buying and accumulating and most times goes beyond their discretionary income, which is a wrong step that may land their investment in trouble.
Sure. That is part of the reason that we need to get started as soon as possible since those are the kinds of balances of our cashflow and testing our limitations (financial and psychological) that any of us should be able to learn and get better at with more and more practice and reflection upon our practices.
Then on my thought on wait, I also share the same sentiment that waiting for the dip before buying is never a good idea because no one knows what the market will do next, and the exact dip the said fellow might be targeting may never comes, which might makes him miss that buying opportunity, so it's never a good idea, especially those that are a low coiner or that are this lagging behind in their accumulation journey.
Yes. We agree that waiting is not a good idea, especially for newbies, no coiners, low coiners and/or people who perceive themselves to still be in their accumulation stages (which it can take a long time to get through the accumulation stage, perhaps 4-10 years or longer depending on the persistency, consistency, regular, ongoing and/or aggressiveness in investing.. including whether or not the investor is able to front load their investment into bitcoin.
77. Post 65894111 (unedited backup) (by JayJuanGee) (scraped on Wed Oct 8 02:58:43 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:
I personally consider selling as a bad way to accumulate bitcoin, so it is best to keep buying, especially if you are a newbie.
It is difficult to know whether you consider yourself as a newbie or an OG, Shishir99, since you have been registered here since early 2017, so surely it could have had been possible that you have accumulated enough or more than enough BTC.
I am not a newcomer to the forum. However, when it comes to having faith in Bitcoin and starting to accumulate it, I am relatively new to the concept. I actually didn't accumulate Bitcoin. I earned some Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies from various campaigns, projects, and websites, but I mostly spend them on buying gadgets, shirts, and that's it. I didn't make thousands of dollars at that time. But I am sure I could have had thousands of dollars if I had saved them in a wallet. I started accumulating Bitcoin for the last two years, maybe? However, I also sold some portions to buy things.
You surely have an advantage over folks who don't know about bitcoin, even if you seem to have had been making mistakes in the past and not recognizing the importance in accumulating bitcoin.
Perhaps you are able to correct your ways of thinking, and at some point start to think about bitcoin differently, since many of us likely recognize and appreciate that any and all people who have discretionary income can be advantaged by accumulating bitcoin in a focused way for perhaps one or two cycles or more, and surely the amount of discretionary income that a person has and also the amount that they are able to prioritize bitcoin investing and/or perhaps front load their investment, then they can get to a status where it becomes reasonable to spend their bitcoin.
Of course, I am not against spend and replace, and I also recognize that guys who earn income in bitcoin might be more forced to sell some of their bitcoin to cover their regular expenses, so calculations might be somewhat different for guys who are earning in bitcoin or maybe engaged in activities where they are spending and replacing bitcoin, yet at the same time, we seem to be in the midst of perhaps the largest peaceful wealth transfer known to mankind from the no coiners and low coiners and over to the coiners, so each of us who has coins or obtains coins are likely going to benefit more directly from such wealth transfer as contrasted to those who either do not have coins or are lackadaisical in regards to how many coins they choose to have (especially when they have way fewer coins than what they could have had). In the end, its totally up to you to figure out how much importance you want to place on bitcoin accumulation to attempt to do it sooner rather than later.
I am still holding some sats, and I am getting paid in Bitcoin from the signature campaign. I saved a portion of the payment. I am now in confusion because I don't know what to do in the current market. I know the market won't continue to grow; it will likely decline again. Shouldn't I sell some portion again and hold some fiat so I can buy back when the market goes down?
Of course, you can do whatever you like, yet personally, I don't recommend selling any bitcoin until you reach overaccumulation status, even if you perceive the BTC price to be high. If you have not been spending the past-ish years accumulating bitcoin, then you better get started.
You may or may not be able to get bitcoin cheaper than today's prices, and since you don't know it is best to be accumulating bitcoin through buying in a way that is persistent, consistent, regular, ongoing and perhaps even aggressive.. it can take 4-10 years or longer to really accumulate a decently good sized bitcoin stash..
Let's say that in the past 8-ish years, you had an income that had largely been between $30k and $50k per year, and you had largely been investing around $100 per week into bitcoin, so then you
would have had invested right around $42k and you would have had accumulated right around 4.3 BTC. If your goal was to be able to live off of your investment and to have right around an $80k per year income, you would still be in the process of building up your bitcoin to that goal.
From my perspective,
right now 4.3 BTC would merely be capable of generating a sustainable income of about $23k per year, it also seems to me that whether you continued to add to that stash or not,
by 2028, if your BTC stash were to be anywhere between 4.3 and 5 BTC, you would be in a position to be able to sustainably (meaning forever and ever) generate an income of at least $80k per year.. .including with annual increases in your income of 7%. I think that would be a good place to build towards, yet each person creates and builds towards his own goals.
@CryptoJelleNLThis cycle - on average, a weekly stochastic RSI cross results in a 35% gain.
So far, we're up just 6% from where the cross happened.
Lots more room to grow for #Bitcoin.
Target remains $150k. 📈
https://x.com/cryptojellenl/status/1975575120182976747Seems we’re having a little cool off at the moment. Down to $122,000 from $126,000 ATH. I’d like to see $120,000 hold, it’s just a little cool off then.
Eyes still on >$150,000 though boys. Come on man, just one more leg up 🙏🏻
We have not had a whole hell of a lot of blow off UP, yet our corrections have not been very great either. Ever since about October 2023, we probably have only had 1 or 2 corrections that might have gotten into the mid-20% territory or greater, with the correction from $109k to $74k being right about 30%. Other corrections have largely been in the 5% to 15% territory, and surely nothing to write home about if they cannot at least get to double digits (not that I am rooting for down).. I surely would prefer to keep grinding up, and I expect that at some point the amount of up is going to "be allowed" to run a bit more (not that bears really have a choice).
I bet what is going on is that the bearwhales are reading your posts, and they are purposefully slowing down our move to $150k, just to fuck with you, LFC... Since from reading your posts, they surely would know which OG bullwhale to fuck with... hahahahahaha.. wouldn't have had imagined that having right around 7x entry level fuck you status would have had put you at bullwhale status... by the way, it could be the case that you ONLY have around 5x entry-level fuck you status if you might have had been selling a wee bit more cornz along the way without saying anything... .. yet either way.. it is not a bad place to be...and yeah, no need to confirm or deny, since we have a decently wide range of variables that affect how we might choose to deal with our coins.
Shouldn't I sell some portion again and hold some fiat so I can buy back when the market goes down?
I remember selling 0.5 BTC for €200 when I started in Bitcoin, thinking I'd buy it back cheaper later. I'm still waiting for that moment....
It will be less painful if you did this and still have some Bitcoin now, you won't feel it much but will just see it as part of the process. Those sells are not entirely mistakes because buying and selling is what Bitcoin should do and those transactions makes the network stronger.
However, it would have been terribly bad if you sold those Bitcoin and don't have anyone now. The regrets would have been intense and renewed anytime Bitcoin creates a new ATH

. There were times I also sold some of my Bitcoins for reasons I don't know but then it was part of the business and what is most important is never to run out of Bitcoin.
I think that it makes a pretty big difference if you are merely selling some bitcoin from time to time, and accounting for your having enough or more than enough so you are merely reallocating into other assets or just making sure that you are not overly weighted in bitcoin.
It seems that part of the problem that Loyce is highlighting is that his goal in selling the coins was to buy them back at a lower price, which frequently I consider that to be the wrong mindset for anyone who is still early in his bitcoin journey and still building up his bitcoin stash, so in those circumstances, his goal would be to continue to increase the bitcoin quantity.
One of the problems in our early years in bitcoin we might not be sure exactly what we are accumulating or even consider that bitcoin's value proposition is so great that if we are not in it at the right time or when it does a staircase step upwards, then we are in a worse position because we lost our focus on accumulating..
Another thing that selling does is that it puts us into a waiting mindset, and so we are waiting around for the BTC price to go down rather than ongoingly buying, so we end up with fewer coins both because we sold too much too early expecting to be able to buy them back, and also we compound our problem by failing/refusing to continue to buy because we have it in our head that the BTC price has to come back down sooner or later, yet there are times in bitcoin's history when it never comes back down again... so then by the time we figure out that the BTC price is not coming back down, it may well be 30% to 60% higher, and we are still having a dilemma about whether or not we should buy some more. A lot of guys go through such issue in bitcoin, so it is likely not even a matter of smart or dumb, but just getting caught up in our own attempts to figure things out, when we likely would be better off just buying at any price for a decently long period of time before we start to think about prices and the extent to which our holdings are in profits or not.
Don't get me wrong, there still could be ways to ongoingly, consistently, persistently, regularly and even aggressively buy bitcoin while at the same time playing around with trying to buy more on dips or having systems of holding a certain amount of the buy authorized for dips that may or may not end up happening.
$125k per BTC. Cool.
But I'm afraid. For now, it's better for me if the market goes down.
Frequently for newbies, it is way better to stop thinking about bitcoin as a trade but instead a lifetime investment, and so therefore just keep buying regularly for at least 4-10 years or longer... but hey, whatever. You do you.
But I'm afraid.
bitcoin can sense your fear.. NEVER let btc see your fear. it will crush you.
fear is the mind killer etcOngoing buying helps that, especially for newbies... yet figuring out the amount to buy might well be another story.. $100 per week? $10 per week? or some other amount that is reasonably within your budget and of course within your discretionary funds.
$125k per BTC. Cool.
Good to see you back. You were one of the most inspiring technical guy that I have silently been following. Sincerely, I was scared you will carry those knowledge and abandon the forum that is like home.
I was also scared for a moment that I'll abandon the forum, but it turns out you cannot abandon it. You can only take breaks. Thanks for the compliment, btw. Back to game.
But I'm afraid. For now, it's better for me if the market goes down.
Bitcoin has an addressable market cap of $300T, which means you're buying it with a 99% discount. You're already in a long dip. More buying, less fear.
Thanks for your attention in this matter.
I think that right now, as I type this post, bitcoin's addressable market is close to $1 quadrillion in today's dollars (that is about a 500x), and of course, by the time bitcoin gets to $1 quadrillion in its market cap, the addressable market may well become $10 quadrillion (in real terms, rather than today's dollars) based on the ongoing debasement of the dollar.
In regards to addressable market, I am partially referring to some of the work of Jesse Meyers
https://www.onceinaspecies.com/p/bitcoins-full-potential-valuation
78. Post 65894098 (unedited backup) (by Oshosondy) (scraped on Wed Oct 8 02:47:55 CEST 2025) in Mixers to be banned:
Even centralized exchanges can also be used as a form of mixer.
Good old times when we had no KYC. I remember in 2021 Binance had like 3 BTC withdrawal limit without KYC or AML.
We could use kucoin, binance and many others as a way to break the link between addresses.
Not anymore.
basically nothing but bitcoin is decentralized. 99% of the time you see "decentralized" it is a lie, just trying to catch customers.
I am still able to withdraw without KYC on MEXC. It is written on the exchange that people will be able to withdraw up to 8 BTC of a coin on the exchange. Some people said they force them to get verified but I have not gotten verified on the exchange till now.
You can also use exchanges like Hyperliquid and Aster to swap and withdraw without KYC needed.
79. Post 65893809 (unedited backup) (by joker_josue) (scraped on Wed Oct 8 00:14:25 CEST 2025) in Discussão geral sobre Hardware wallets:
Eles tão dando mole de não botar os botoes de log seno e coseno. Ja virava uma cientifica
É um dois em um.

Lembram-se daqueles relogios que tinha calculadora, muito comuns dos anos 90?
Qualquer dia fazer um coisas dessas, e a pessoa anda com a wallet no pulso.
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81. Post 65893581 (unedited backup) (by Forsyth Jones) (scraped on Tue Oct 7 22:52:31 CEST 2025) in Discussão geral sobre Hardware wallets:
Achei feia, parece uma calculadora

Pessoalmente, essas funções não tem muita utilidade pra mim. O maior risco no meu caso é o vazamento da seed. A HW eu não vejo muito como ela poderia ser usada por criminosos... fica em casa, nao vejo risco nesse sentido, entao 2FA e etc nao tem muito valor pra mim
Você está olhando pro modelo MK4 (com teclado númerico), eu estou olhando pro ColdCard Q (com teclado QWERT, o mesmo usado em teclados de computadores). Os dois tem os mesmos recursos, o Q tem uma cámera melhorada.
Se a sua seed vazar... bem, é por isso que você tem que ter uma passphrase habilitada. Pra dar tempo de você criar outra seed offline, mover os fundos com segurança pra nova seed, mas se a sua passphrase for forte o suficiente, tipo mais de 16 caracteres e aleatória, talvez nem precise.
82. Post 65892654 (unedited backup) (by JayJuanGee) (scraped on Tue Oct 7 18:26:13 CEST 2025) in JJG’s Outline of Bitcoin Investment Ideas:
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Sir, I have seen people who earn and eat daily. For example, if they do not work every day, they may not get food. I have seen many in such situations. But despite this, they are able to save 50,000 naira at the end of the year. Even in the midst of such hardship, they are able to save. They do not spend extra on anything, they manage their financial situation through proper financial management. There are some people among us who spend $15 if they earn $10, they fall into a very bad situation after a while. If a person’s financial situation is very bad or their income is very low, they can still invest if they want, only through proper financial management. A person can invest $5 a week or a month if they want. If a person keeps buying $5 regularly, then maybe after a while a lot of bitcoin can be deposited in his wallet.
For sure it is not easy for some people to continue to save/invest, and with bitcoin, I recommend to try to get into a system that they are putting away money that they are not going to want to or need to tap into for 4-10 years or longer, so in order to have that kind of a commitment there is also some need for back up funds in the case that some months the expenses may well be higher than the income or there might be other shortfalls in the income.
Small amounts do add up to a lot, yet it still can be difficult to be consistent and persistent and not to tap into the investment for 4-10 years or longer, and frequently it will take much longer than 10 years to get to a decently sized holdings, especially if a person only able to invest less than 10% of their income, and you are correct that there may be months at a time that they might not be able to invest into bitcoin because they have either determined that they don't have sufficient discretionary funds and/or that they might not be sure if they have discretionary funds until they get through such period of perhaps low income and/or high expenses.
Yes, sir, a person should hold his holdings for a long time. If a person cannot hold his holdings for a long time, then he may be gambling with his money because. The risk of losing money in short-term investments is much higher. But the risk of losing money in long-term investments is much lower. If a person cannot hold his holdings for a long time, then it is better not to invest. Because the risk of losing money in short-term investments is much higher.
It seems to me that the risk does not necessarily go down with the passage of time, and we also cannot expect that bitcoin is guaranteed to go up in value, yet so far in bitcoin's history it has continued to go up with the passage of time, especially over longer periods of time, so some level of comfort can come as our holdings in bitcoin become more and more profitable, yet the mere fact that our bitcoin holdings might be profitable would still not necessarily be a reason to either sell it or to stop accumulating it, depending on the size of our stash and the goals that we might have in connection with building up our bitcoin stash.
A relatively poor person, even one who had ONLY been investing around $10 per week for 5 years (which would be around $2,500) may well be tempted to tap into his bitcoin investment if it had doubled or tripled (or more) in value based on changes in the BTC price, so maybe after 5 years if for some reason there is a spike in bitcoin's spot price, and their investment had gone up 5x (let's say to $12,500), so then he might still find it futile to be continuing to add $10 per week when the added value does not seem to be causing the BTC holdings to grow as much as the fluctuations in the value, so there could be times that the guy gets confused about what to do, when maybe it would be in his best interest to keep buying bitcoin, even though he also might have other good ways that he could use the money, too.. but at the same time, if he might ONLY be making $400-$600 per month, he might find it quite tempting to tap into funds that might be 2-3 years or more of his total income..
So there can be dilemmas for folks are struggling with their finances to keep investing into bitcoin or maybe to find some balance in regards to how they might benefit from having their bitcoin investment, and hopefully it is causing them a sense of security rather than causing them stress, even though they also may well have the obligation to make sure that their coins are protected so that they don't lose them or have them stolen from them due to lack of security.
Gold is a relic and sure, it is the current go to instrument for legacy finance, but I doubt it is a good place to put value. Bitcoin is somewhere in the ballpark of 1,000x or more better than gold, so it seems silly to be putting value into gold and diluting your investment capital to put into gold that has already shown itself as a loser in modern monetary battles.. I frequently suggest that guys put no more than 10% of the size of their bitcoin holdings, into gold, and even 10% might be too much.
I do think diversification is key in my portfolio.
I will probably retire early in a few months / years (it depends on how well btc and some assets in brazil will perform) and I need something more stable to keep living.
Also, I may even sell some gold to buy more bitcoin in a bear market.
I do think bitcoin is better than gold. I have 10x more bitcoin than gold. But I am not so optimistic about 1 quadritillion . If it goes to 1 mi it will be amazing .
But I want it to reach 1 mi while I am still young, not in 200 years lol
There are more interest in Bitcoin now than before and that means the market moving by a significant number will require some time. When I started developing interest in Bitcoin, I was told by the friend that introduced me not to expect 10x in Bitcoin so easily that I should give it time because Bitcoin will require time to grow since the market cap is a little bigger now than it was before. Those words stock to my head and if they are true, which I believe they are, I'm sure it will require up to 10 to 20 years for Bitcoin to reach $1 million. This is speculation but I'm just trying to ensure I don't set targets that are too difficult to achieve.
It is good not to create unrealistic expectations and also to keep your expectations low, yet at the same time, it is good to have plans for a variety of scenarios, including extreme upside scenarios. The more prepared you are for a variety of scenarios both financially and psychologically, then the less likely you are to panic and the more likely that you already have a tentative plan in place that will help you to potentially stay somewhat on course of your plan, even though sometimes it can be a bit stressful and nerve racking to figure out what to do in the event that bitcoin prices move a lot in one direction or another.
So being prepared is better than not, yet at the same time, you still might feel some stress and even question your course of action, even when you have already prepared, yet your having had prepared will at least make it more likely that you will have had already thought through some potential range of actions that you might take under certain extreme circumstances that might play out.
Also, if you are planning 4-10 years of longer and you have already been in bitcoin for a year or two, you still have situations in which if you are continuing to buy, then each new buy that you make will likely have a 4-10 year timeline connected with it, so some folks might have plans in which they slow down in their investing as the price goes up, which may or may not be a good idea, yet each person has to decide those kinds of considerations based on how much bitcoin they had so far accumulated and if they are still accumulating bitcoin, then it may be better to keep buying, even if there might be periods in which they are buying bitcoin at relatively higher prices.. yet since they don't really know the direction of the bitcoin price, it may be a safer course of action to keep buying bitcoin, at least for a full cycle and maybe even more than that..
Maybe guys may well have to keep buying for more than a couple of cycles before they really get to a point where they might consider adjusting the persistence of their bitcoin buys... so a guy who had been buying 10% of his income into bitcoin after 10 years would have had only invested around 1 years of income, and his income likely had changed over the years, and also the cost of living had changed and the bitcoin price had changed... so after 10 years, he may well need to reassess the extent to which he has enough bitcoin or if he just keeps buying. Maybe his bitcoin had gone up more than the cost of living, yet maybe they did not. There are no guarantees, so he should attempt to be prepared for a variety of scenarios, including ongoingly studying bitcoin and/or shoring up his cashflow management systems and practices.
83. Post 65891651 (unedited backup) (by obuoma) (scraped on Tue Oct 7 13:50:55 CEST 2025) in JJG’s Outline of Bitcoin Investment Ideas:
Gold is a relic and sure, it is the current go to instrument for legacy finance, but I doubt it is a good place to put value. Bitcoin is somewhere in the ballpark of 1,000x or more better than gold, so it seems silly to be putting value into gold and diluting your investment capital to put into gold that has already shown itself as a loser in modern monetary battles.. I frequently suggest that guys put no more than 10% of the size of their bitcoin holdings, into gold, and even 10% might be too much.
I do think diversification is key in my portfolio.
I will probably retire early in a few months / years (it depends on how well btc and some assets in brazil will perform) and I need something more stable to keep living.
Also, I may even sell some gold to buy more bitcoin in a bear market.
I do think bitcoin is better than gold. I have 10x more bitcoin than gold. But I am not so optimistic about 1 quadritillion . If it goes to 1 mi it will be amazing .
But I want it to reach 1 mi while I am still young, not in 200 years lol
There are more interest in Bitcoin now than before and that means the market moving by a significant number will require some time. When I started developing interest in Bitcoin, I was told by the friend that introduced me not to expect 10x in Bitcoin so easily that I should give it time because Bitcoin will require time to grow since the market cap is a little bigger now than it was before. Those words stock to my head and if they are true, which I believe they are, I'm sure it will require up to 10 to 20 years for Bitcoin to reach $1 million. This is speculation but I'm just trying to ensure I don't set targets that are too difficult to achieve.
84. Post 65891469 (unedited backup) (by examplens) (scraped on Tue Oct 7 12:49:01 CEST 2025) in eXch - instant exchange BTC / LN / XMR / LTC / ETH / ERC20:
Ofc hyperlliquid is not equally dangerous as binance or changelly, for example. You can send coins with high AML and no questions will be asked, and no funds will be frozen.
Maybe no questions will be asked and
maybe the coins won't get confiscated. But
maybe they also will. You can't make claims that Hyperliquid doesn't freeze funds and doesn't ask questions when they have done it in the past. Again, if that is acceptable to you, feel free to use them. I would rather look for alternatives where the question of maybe isn't hanging in the air.
The fact is that any exchange can freeze coins by referring to AML rules. That is why it cannot be said that any exchange is safe from that aspect. Usually, the first few transactions, especially the smaller ones, always go through without problems. Only after years of operational business without a single claim for freezing funds, the service can be largely considered safe.
85. Post 65890954 (unedited backup) (by Bitcoins101) (scraped on Tue Oct 7 09:57:01 CEST 2025) in eXch - instant exchange BTC / LN / XMR / LTC / ETH / ERC20:
If you actually use bitcoin as intended, as a currency, then you are bound to have tainted coins, and it's inevitable that you will have issues with exchanges.
The lack of fungibility is a real problem.
Fungibility is a state of mind

But if Bitcoin would be more like Monero, I'd expect exchanges to ask much more questions than they do now. Or they'll just ban them entirely, like exchanges in EU did with Monero.
Fungibility isn't a state of mind when you can get "scammed" by buying tainted coins.
There are still many good alternatives, where you can simply exchange any btc for stablecoins without kyc/aml. For now, i like to use Hyperliquid but there are many other good ones.
Hyperliquid isn't non-custodial, though. They like to pretend they are. They carry out checks on the coins that get deposited on their exchange. I have read several stories of users who have had their bitcoin frozen on Hyperliquid and simply locked out of their accounts. I considered using them in the past but not anymore. Do an internet search on "
can hyperliquid freeze your funds" or something similar and you will see what I am talking about.
Hyperliquid just locking accounts and saying "tough luck" is a serious issue. It would be one thing to just send the funds back to the user and another thing to require further verification. But, it sounds like they just freeze funds and keep them essentially, which I would classify as a scam.
86. Post 65890799 (unedited backup) (by Pmalek) (scraped on Tue Oct 7 08:48:31 CEST 2025) in eXch - instant exchange BTC / LN / XMR / LTC / ETH / ERC20:
There is no way you can convert or exchange your bitcoin without losing the custody of your coins. Even BISQ has some kind of trust involved.
I think the problem with such an idealist vision is that the way you put it there is no alternative. You just condemn everything and everyone, and you put the good and the bad in the same basket.
The issue isn't about giving up custody of your coins and using a custodial service. I have done it many times in the past with exchanges I trusted. Look at the name of the thread we are writing in. What I do have a problem with is giving custody of my bitcoin to Russian Roulette-type of exchanges that may or may not confiscate and steal my coins based on arbitrary decisions they make. That I don't support. If you are ok with that gamble, fine. Be my guest.
Ofc hyperlliquid is not equally dangerous as binance or changelly, for example. You can send coins with high AML and no questions will be asked, and no funds will be frozen.
Maybe no questions will be asked and
maybe the coins won't get confiscated. But
maybe they also will. You can't make claims that Hyperliquid doesn't freeze funds and doesn't ask questions when they have done it in the past. Again, if that is acceptable to you, feel free to use them. I would rather look for alternatives where the question of maybe isn't hanging in the air.
87. Post 65890755 (unedited backup) (by joker_josue) (scraped on Tue Oct 7 08:30:55 CEST 2025) in Mempool Observer Topic:
Fees will be back to 1 sat in a few days , I think.
It didn't take days, just a few hours:

- fastestFee: 3 sat/vB
- halfHourFee: 1 sat/vB
- hourFee: 1 sat/vB
- economyFee: 1 sat/vB
- minimumFee: 1 sat/vB
It was just a spike, with people wanting to take advantage of the ATH to buy or sell. In fact, if it goes up, it's because there are people buying well.