So im assuming there is no annoying Chainalysis or similar that freezes your coins because apparently a mixer was used 27 years ago and now you are targeted as a bad guy. That is great, however I doubt zero paper work applies on all jurisdictions. The bank and taxman may ask where the money is coming from so you will need said paper work. And then who knows if they accept it as valid or not. This is the problem with Bitcoin, unless you bought them in a CEX, it becomes a risk using them, and you send the problem onto the next person. And since there is no real way to know if your coins are or not going to get frozen, it's all a gamble. If anyone has any experience in this context share it went. Im also assuming it depends the amounts you are selling, and also some banks and exchanges may apply different filters.

@bitmover, publicaram hoje um texto onde falam sobre essa mudança: https://www.binance.com/pt-BR/support/faq/detail/d79576b30c8240118a043129e0c21398

Outro detalhe é que estarão restringindo o acesso ao HODLer Airdrop (que você ganha uns tokens ao fazer 'staking' de BNB) e outros 7 serviços..

Também vão deslistar todas essas criptomoedas para brasileiros: XVG, USDE, USTC, DCR, DUSK, PIVX, BB, MANTRA, ONE, GMT, TFUEL, ZIL, ONT, RVN, ACX, HIT, PYR, VANRY, VIC, ICX, SCRT e STORJ.. o destaque fica para a stablecoin Ethena USD (USDE).

Não li todo o texto, mas pode interessar a quem utiliza a Binance.

O que me preocupa é que nenhum dos dois candidatos é flor que se cheire... se vier "um bom acordo" será que todo o discurso de anti-corrupção se sustenta?
Obviamente que não vão escancaradamente perdoar tudo, mas sim aflochar a mão no chicote, ou é delírio de minha parte?

Enfim, política brasileira... nunca foi sobre "o que é melhor pro povo", sempre foi pelo "o que é melhor pro nosso bolso".
Mas infelizmente as únicas opções viáveis pro segundo turno eram esses dois extremos, o menos pior é torcer por uma mudança, seja lá qual for 

Slot #: 18
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Yes, it's a great wallet, it has some advanced features, but a beginner shouldn't take long to get used to it. Unlike Electrum, it offers taproot and now silent payments,have you checked it out?.

I think it's filling the gaps left by Electrum very well.

As I said before, I crossed names in a conservative manner. Here is a maximalist list.


Mind you, I might have made some mistakes. For example, maybe I should have included jeremypwr but I am not sure and I have included some that sound like casino reps but who I don't know, like 96OFFICIAL but we can get an idea.

Bitinity's signature ban has actually been a bit of shock to me. He is actually one of the users who gambles and shares his experience in those boards including promos and given the fact that he spends most of the time in those boards. Acquiring merits from there is definitely going to be so hard.

You should have crossed out campaign managers and contest organisers as well to bring out a clear picture.

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You were one of the contest organisers some months back, no? 

Upon reflection I have to agree. It does seem as though with the advent of other forums that are heavily advertising and promoting mixers, there would be no logical reason for mixers to pay the highest rates (or even high rates) to those participating in their signature campaigns (if they were allowed to use the forum again).

This is probably true but are those members (that are hoping for mixers to return to the forum) expecting huge payments for participating in campaigns?

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O PGR já aceitou que o Flávio fosse visitar o pai, agora só falta o ministro. Também arquivou inquérito sobre o Alan dos Santos. E a ala ligado ao STF já estava dando sinais ao PL sobre um acordão, mas foi rejeitado e além do Alexandre já falam sobre o Dino também para serem impeachmados. Mas o Dino em especifico precisaria mostrar algum trabalho depois das eleições para não correr esse risco. E o PL disse que tem 49 dos 54 votos para os afastamentos, não divulgaram quem seriam.

In as much as you are doing this to help the community I do not see it as competition, and even bitmover already it that it wasn’t so and he was also inspired by JJG, same thing you also got inspired by bitmover so there is no room for any competition rather, it is serving as a help to community.

Again, the Gold aspect you want to add, don’t you think it would likely complicate things for the community since majority interest are being focused on bitcoin DCA?
Besides there are less interest on people talking about Gold instead bitcoin are more widely discussed over here. But if you think of adding the Gold option then it’s left for you, maybe those who do have interest about gold may likely explore the tools as well.


Anyway, thank you bitmover for the calculator you build.

At the end of the day people know which tool they are going to use, even if there are many copied or other similar thing released out there.

But since you talk about the app, why not create that one? who knows maybe you will get more recognition and benefits on the the tool you created.

Also I tried to search for DCA app on Play store and App Store, then see so many app available. But I think its truly different if you know the source, since people here could verify if the app is legit and safe.

We’ve told you before, that doesn’t mean anything; the people who earn the most points on those forums are usually casino representatives.


I have crossed out names from that list on the safe side, as I could also have crossed out campaign managers and accounts which, although not directly linked to casinos, belong to members who are connected in some way through organising promotions or events with them. Take all those off the list and you’ll see that he doesn’t come off half as badly. 

Also, informative?

This is how informative real discussions are on another forum:

I didn't create a branch, edit, or use @bitmover's code. I might upload the source code to GitHub or create a thread about this tool, but I am just too lazy. I see this as just a personal project for fun, to help the community here who always says DCA this, DCA that. So I made it easier to compare DCA and lump sum strategies over a certain period of time. I was about to add an additional comparison with gold because I think it's necessary, but somehow I think it's too much

As you can see, this is where it all began, from my reply to this topic. That's why I say I got inspired by @bitmover.




I hope it doesn't become a subject of competition. Because the idea is not to compete, it's to help. I also don't get anything from this tool, except to fulfill my personal needs.

There seems to be some humor in your characterizing the differences in our approach(es) in the way that you did, since to me it seems that you are self admittedly still in your accumulation phase, and perhaps even early accumulation phase if we consider 2018 as a potential starting point rather than your June 2011 forum registration date, since you had said that you had not gotten in touch with your modern enlightenment about supposed bitcoin cycles until 2018-ish.

Funny that, no?

Even though I sometimes will change the characterization of my story in terms of when I had thought that I had done most of my bitcoin accumulation, I still tend to proclaim that I did most of my bitcoin accumulation between late 2013 and early 2017, but then I also had some issues in early 2017 that fucked up my bitcoin holdings to some extent, but it really did not knock me out of my consideration (whether rightly or wrongly) that I had enough or more than enough bitcoin.

So, from my perspective, there tends to be quite a bit of liberation in assessing yourself as having enough or more than enough bitcoin, which also caused me to consider that I had largely transitioned into a maintenance stage around early 2017-ish.

Even in current times, I have some difficulties in concluding the extent to which I might have had prematurely characterized my own bitcoin holdings as enough or more than enough, especially given some of my later definitions and even redefinitions in regards to what any of us might consider to be enough or more than enough in the bitcoin quantity department, and of course, partially based on our own individual factors, including our expected standard of living.


That is not very nice Oggie Poggie!!!!

 

You are going to just leave Phil hanging like that?

You know that you guys got into bitcoin around the same time, even though you might have had a bit of a head start on Phil.

Don't you feel any comraderie?


Of course, you are so smart and many of the remainder of us are so dumb that it seems inevitable that we are going to continue to have various similar kinds of debates that also are likely to conclude the ongoing fighting that "the rest of us" are going to end up doing with you, including if you are going to continue to proclaim that you actually know anything about anything (especially related to dee cornz and/or cashflow management ideas).

And, yeah, 2029 is not really that far away.  In 2 years and 2-ish months, we will be knocking on the doors of 2029.


I gotta quibble about this "too precious to sell" part, and I am going to try to keep this in terms of possible ways of considering the bitcoin holdings matter.. somewhat hypothetical, but at the same time.. not completely hypothetical, since I surely have the opinion that guys can reach a stage of enough or more than enough bitcoin, including that bitcoin can start to gain value at a faster rate than the HODLers might be able to spend it, whether referring to it as a complete replacement of income sources or as an income source that merely supplements other income sources.

I don't tend to buy those ideas that guys can never accumulate enough bitcoin, even though I understand how some guys might end up arriving at such a conclusion based on their having had gotten started accumulating bitcoin at a relatively later time, for example, they either were only beginning their bitcoin accumulation in or around 2019/2020 or maybe they really did not start accumulating bitcoin in any meaningful way until after 2020.

So, I won't deny that bitcoin accumulation can take time, since many normies (which I presume many of us to be) are not going to tend to have a lot of capital lying around that they can just throw into bitcoin, so it tends to take time to build up a bitcoin stack, even for guys who are staying focused on good practices, such as accumulate through buying and erroring on the side of holding.

I know that devil is in the details, but guys who might have concluded that they had largely accomplished most of their bitcoin accumulation prior to 2021 should have had been able to have the potential to appreciate the possibilities of accumulating enough or more than enough bitcoin.

Maybe I need NOT say much more, since I might be getting overly repetitious in terms of some of my previous posts, yet I will still reiterate that there may have had been ways that guys in these here parts had been able to get into bitcoin and stay focused largely on accumulating bitcoin through buy only practices and so therefore not really selling much if any of their corn, except maybe through spend and replace kinds of scenarios... but if they had largely accumulated most of their bitcoin prior to 2021, then they still should have had been able to appreciate the possibility of getting to enough or more than enough bitcoin.

Do I need to go through minimum fuck you status?  Oh shit.  I cannot help myself to show off the new fuck you status chart that bitmover put together.. so let me do a quick overview.

Right now, entry-level fuck you status (at $80k per year) only takes 12.0717 BTC, and of course, the fuck you status chart will show historical numbers for that $80k per year level and also it will show the future projected numbers that are continuing to go down, and you can project out 70  years to December 2096 where the quantity of coins for $80k annual income is projected to be only 0.0982 BTC.  Yeah, we could go into more detail of the significance of these numbers, and of course, maybe some guys want to double their numbers so that they are living off of $160k per year rather than $80k per year, and I also consider that bitcoin has good chances to tend to allow a 7% per year increase in the income too.. once the drawing upon the holdings commence.
 

Can't ever go wrong throwing in some animal farm imaginationings.

I've never used Bisq but I've heard it since years ago. Apparently it's great, but im not familiar with the differences from other DEX p2p alternatives like hodlhodl. What would you recommend?

Also, what's the AML/KYC like on these services? I was curious to try some transactions, but I don't feel like doing a lot of paperwork. How much can you realistically buy/sell monthly?

Eu já estava ficando cansado, eu sei que é cedo pra comemorar vitória, Flávio ganhou no pr turno, ainda tem o segundo pra ganhar, mas desde a década de 80, nenhum vencedor do primeiro turno perdeu no segundo.

Foi o mandato inteiro só de praticamente notícias ruins, taxas, impostos, decisões arbitrárias da suprema corte do país que parece estar representando mais os próprios interesses que os dos brasileiros. É estranho estar otimista agora, pq faz muito tempo que não sinto expectativa de melhora no país, na economia em geral, no mercado.

Agora que fique claro, o Flávio bolsonaro, se eleito, vai conseguir revogar toda essa marmeladas de MP das criptomoedas que o bacen fez? Tudo vai depender de suas articulações do congresso (que agora será a maioria de direita).

I konw that there are apps and websites that can do the calculation and I decided to still bring the simple way to the forum in case anyone is interested to use this. oh yes I made a list of just two unit but it can be use to calculate any number of units. I only gave or show how it works. And once the person got the basic, the rest will be easier. I haven't seen bitmover's tool's website, and if I did, I would have added the link in the op.

Most of us would not prefer downloading anything even if it looks like a regular spreadsheet. This is often taken into consideration by the devs and not everything needs to be downloaded. The spreadsheet from Coingecko is a useful one but I still do not rely completely on those sheets. Yes, I would use it as a guide so I can make future decisions accordingly but solely relying on these spreadsheets can be a risk because these sheets mostly rely on the historical data.

I too used to manage the spreadsheet a year back now I have left it over to AI now. I do not spend any of my time in managing those sheets because I have a few prompts that gets the same work done within a few minutes.

If you expand it to 1 year, he is the 13th most active poster on the Gambling board but 54th in merits earned on that board. To me that suggests his posts (in general) aren't particularly informative or interesting to most readers.


Because this account is particularly lacking in certain areas. They use the same words to describe the same or similar concepts, repeatedly -- for years now, living almost entirely in threads where not many people appear to be reading much of anything.

Nobody should be "free to spam." If you'd like, PM me some examples of accounts you think are clearly spammers that haven't been sigbanned yet.


Here's a list of the top 60 merit earners on the Gambling board over the last 365 days so people can evaluate the data themselves:

1 - JackpotterCasino: 195 merits
2 - Zwei: 136 merits
3 - Rainbet: 134 merits
4 - sportsbet.io: 124 merits
5 - notblox1: 105 merits
6 - SirJohnVonSlotty: 93 merits
7 - buwaytress: 91 merits
8 - memehunter: 81 merits
9 - goodpunt: 78 merits
10 - Mahdirakib: 75 merits
11 - Pmalek: 72 merits
12 - SamReomo: 66 merits
13 - Harkorede: 63 merits
14 - @Whale: 59 merits
15 - Betpanda: 54 merits
16 - TheOriginals: 54 merits
17 - jeremypwr: 54 merits
18 - BetFury.io: 53 merits
19 - Betwrong: 53 merits
20 - Bitz_Casino: 51 merits
21 - SpongeS: 50 merits
22 - panjul07: 50 merits
23 - AB de Royse777: 49 merits
24 - bitmover: 48 merits
25 - Spinly: 45 merits
26 - yahoo62278: 45 merits
27 - 1win.global: 42 merits
28 - BABY SHOES: 42 merits
29 - AHOYBRAUSE: 37 merits
30 - slaman29: 37 merits
31 - Haunebu: 35 merits
32 - dewez: 34 merits
33 - salad daging: 34 merits
34 - 2UP.io: 32 merits
35 - hosemary: 31 merits
36 - EOSBet: 30 merits
37 - victorhing: 30 merits
38 - Bspin_io: 29 merits
39 - EarnOnVictor: 28 merits
40 - Monarch-: 28 merits
41 - iv4n: 28 merits
42 - xLays: 28 merits
43 - efialtis: 26 merits
44 - leea-1334: 26 merits
45 - Allstars.io Team: 25 merits
46 - Free Market Capitalist: 25 merits
47 - Little Mouse: 25 merits
48 - Slissy: 25 merits
49 - julerz12: 25 merits
50 - rohang: 25 merits
51 - LFC_Bitcoin: 24 merits
52 - famososMuertos: 24 merits
53 - 96OFFICIAL: 23 merits
54 - Bitinity: 23 merits
55 - Upgrade00: 23 merits
56 - duelbits: 23 merits
57 - Potato Chips: 22 merits
58 - xandry: 22 merits
59 - Pseudo-Random: 21 merits
60 - Trofo: 21 merits

If you read what op posted carefully, you will know that it wasn’t JayjuanGee that developed the tool. Op only credited JayjuanGee for inspiring him to create the calculator. Even JayjuanGee in one of his post suggested to op to name the calculator in his name (Bitmover)

One of the risks of keeping and promoting open source software is "competition," yet I am not sure if TedMosby used and/or edited the already open source release or if there was some other way that the "vibe coding" was accomplished.

Hi guys, I know we already have a nice DCA Bitcoin Calculator created by @bitmover here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5594323. I've tried that tool several times and it's really helpful for me to simulate DCA strategies.

I was inspired by that tool and decided to vibe code mine. I added the lump sum strategy so I can compare both strategies. No thread about it yet, it's just my personal project (for fun).

If you want to try it too, you can try it here:
https://btcdcastrat.vercel.app


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When you download the result:

O Mercado sempre antecipa a situação, no caso da possível vitória que contemplaria ajuste fiscal e preocupação com as contas públicas....quem comprou titulo do tesouro IPCA+ deu risadas agora na marcação a mercado, mais de 30% em 1 mês a depender da taxa adquirida.

Renda variável subindo forte também, juros futuros despencaram....mas tem muita coisa pra arrumar caso o cenário se confirme, o esquerdola devastou bem a economia.

Ponto interessante. IOF é algo que pode ser alterado por decreto, ou seja, não precisa de aprovação do congresso. Portanto, desde que haja vontade política, é o mais fácil de fazer (dentre os itens mencionados na entrevista).

Houve, de fato, uma proposta da Receita Federal para implementar um IOF de 3,5% sobre a compra e transferência de cripto (com isenção para pessoas físicas de compras/transferências de até 10.000/mês) https://www.asa.com.br/central-de-conteudos/investimentos/receita-federal-propoe-iof-sobre-compra-de-criptoativos-entenda-o-projeto. No entanto, acredito que a discussão disso foi adiada para depois das eleições. Se cripto/stablecoins forem totalmente incluídas como parte do mercado de câmbio (o que o Banco Central já começou a fazer com stablecoins), parece que podem implementar uma alíquota menor, pois não faria sentido impor um imposto pesado nesse caso. Ou isso foi completamente descartado?

Os outros 2 itens mencionados (isenção de cripto estrangeira e aumento do limite para 35.000) se relacionam ao imposto de renda, portanto, precisariam estar em uma lei (aprovada no congresso). Além disso, existem leis que exigem que cortes na alíquota de impostos sejam compensados de alguma forma.

Portanto, novamente, é melhor procurar por algo colocado por escrito em vez de promessas feitas em entrevistas.

I guess is restricted or something.. can’t really tell, I tried to search all the services I know but none, not even one allowed the “.data”.

The  electrum/simple_config.py#L548
Sets base unit and the BTC_AMOUNTS_DECIMAL_POINT has a “default “ config which is DECIMAL_POINT_DEFAULT in electrum/simple_config.py#L880

That DECIMAL_POINT_DEFAULT is 5, and 5 is the base unit for mBTC

electrum/util.py#L105

I guessed you tried update right?.. that would still preserve your setting  if already set to BTC as default base unit.

Verdade, a foxbit ta altissima e tem um outro detalhe: ausência de volumes. Basicamente é quase certeza de pegar a 0.5 se estiver com pressa.

Ficou meio esquisito heim bitmover


Principalmente essa parte
Não sabia nem nunca tinha ouvido falar disso de ter que entrar no BC pra habilitar contas

Parece que agora realmente a Binance está reportando tudo e dentro do sistema brasileiro. Qualquer coisa já será reportada

Já faz algum tempo que estou usando outras soluções, e deixei de usar a Binance que por muito tempo foi minha corretora principal

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Galera, deem uma olhada nas soluções que temos hoje de p2p, pagamento cripto > pix etc
Pode ser que sirvam para vocês

That is the simple manual calculation. Many of us especially our newbies get confused if they here mBTC, sats, and even micro BTCs; but for simple calculations, using 1BTC as reference.
1BTC = 0.0001 mBTC that is by deciding by 1000 as you had explained.

For easy understanding especially for some of us who finds it difficult using calculators to calculate it, we can use some tools like that of Bitmover as stated above, and other tools you can see online. They are useful and makes it looks easy to access and knows the value using different units.
You can visit these tools This tool, and also this tool.

Congratulations mate, even after being gifted a free bet, it always difficult to put up a game a win. I don’t know how many games you put together but it really nice to see someone winning with Bitz. Also good one from Bitz for the bonus, I really hope I get to win one soon.

These bonus and free bet is really good, it really encouraging and I’m impressed. The league will be resuming soon, I hope I make some cash before then.

Also find similar site, aside from that tool created by bitmover.



Here's the site https://cloudminecrypto.com/bitcoin-unit-converter


This one is great calculator to https://cryptocalk.com/unit-converter since this one also have calculation for other top alts.

But for many available calculator to use out there, I will definitely choose to use first the tool created by reputable member here. Since I think that site is much safer to visit compare on the other suggested sites.

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Fair question, and SamReomo and examplens have already covered most of it. The main focus is getting Fast & White stable around the clock, along with ongoing improvements to the code behind the service. The full API and the affiliate program are also in development — the current API is read-only for now, but that's not where it ends. And yes, we see the affiliate program the same way bitmover does, so it's definitely part of the plan.

No dates for any of it — we'd rather announce things when they're actually live. Thanks for the support and the good wishes!

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da es von Lafu leider für die monate juli, august und september keine updates gab, aber dieses thema doch aktuell bleiben sollte, möchte ich ihn etwas unter die arme greifen und euch wenigstens das update für den monat oktober veröffentlichen
im oktober waren 116 user berechtigt in die dt-liste mit aufgenommen zu werden:

alte dt1-liste:

neue dt1-liste:

aus unserem deutschsprachigen bereich sind insgesamt 10 leute vertreten: Buchi-88, willi9974, o_solo_miner, Real-Duke, Lafu, mole0815, Lakai01, efialtis, bullrun2024bro und AHOYBRAUSE
hier ist nochmal der original beitrag von theymos: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117330.msg67198109#msg67198109

wer genau rausgeflogen ist und wer dafür neu aufgenommen wurde, dies könnt ihr aus dieser liste entnehmen - hier hat es leider qwk und d5000 getroffen:

Atualmente administração US gera muito instabilidade para este tipo de questões.
A mudar alguma coisa é quando administração mudar e as coisas ligadas a este tema, continuarem/ficarem mais suaves.





A pergunta que faço é sempre: para onde?

Qual é o país que trás mais segurança e estabilidade, para ter um site destes em funcionamento, que não tenha as regras e leis semelhantes as US?

Nice!!!!  Thanks.


You are reading that correctly, and surely it can start to make more sense if you are putting in your own numbers and then attempting to verify that the numbers are making sense for you..   For sure, I personally recommend using other tools as well such as the sustainable withdrawal tool and even the DCA calculator, even though the DCA calculator does not really project into the future (even though there are some thoughts about potentially putting future projections into it).

In any case, when you play around with the various tools you might have various targets in mind that you might shoot for and work towards achieving, yet then as you make progress towards reaching such targets, then surely you might revise your targets and/or use other tools to try to project how you might want to potentially transition from bitcoin accumulation and then into perhaps a kind of maintenance stage and then perhaps later into considering some kind of withdrawal system that you might consider to be mostly sustainable... and personally, I had considered price based sustainable withdrawal to become more applicable (and earlier on) as compared with time-based sustainable withdrawal.. even though either of them could be used for guys who might want to start to try to engage in some withdrawals from their bitcoin holdings while at the same time trying not to deplete the principle.. ..

.... but then at the same time, when I go back and forth with guys, sometimes I still find that guys have tendencies to want to self-assess their bitcoin stash size as being enough or more than enough at a time that I would consider that the stash size had not quite reached that comfort level (or a large enough quantity size).  By the way, there are also other guys who I have discussed these matters, and I tend to think that they are overly conservative in terms of their likely already reaching a status of enough or more than enough bitcoin, yet they are still reluctant to start one or the other forms of sustainable withdrawal.

...and yeah, it might even make less sense to project out 10 years in the future from the present, but then in the present, you likely already have a bitcoin portfolio size that you would be building upon that might track some of your already followed past practices, and then perhaps as you progress towards the goal, your own stack size and maybe even changes in your income and/or your standard of living (or your expected standard of living) could end up affecting how you think about your current stack size in perspective of what quantities of bitcoin you consider to be plausible within your own income and/or expenses expectations.

By the way, of course you can project further into the future beyond 10 years, and up to 70 years into the future, even though surely for many of us, it becomes more concrete to project at shorter periods into the future, even though some guys might start out with a plan of accumulating bitcoin that might be 4-10 years or more into the future, yet as they continue to stack, they might have some delays and then other guys might end up making faster progress than they expected, so there could be a variety of outcomes, including surely if guys are younger when they start to accumulate bitcoin, they may well end up with salary and/or income increases that they had not really anticipated, but then they end up being helped out by getting into a situation with more discretionary funds to invest (and/or to use for other purposes).

O dono é de lá.. seria a mesma coisa que você incomodar o Xandão acho que não tem motivos para isso, do jeito que está, está ótimo.

Mas é curioso que o governo americano deu um 180º nas últimas semanas após a rejeição do Clarity Act.. tem muito projeto de regulação pró-cripto saindo de todos os lados, SEC, CFTC, FinCEN.

Mesmo assim eu concordo com o que o @bitmover trouxe.. para essa pressão voltar com força total para o outro lado basta uma eleição.. então às vezes nem vale a pena mexer no vespeiro.

Eu entendo vocês galera, o brasil não tem um histórico de democracia boa (a não ser a apurações das urnas feitas eletronicamente e no dia da votação), mas apesar disso, o Flávio ganhou no 1° turno, resta agora o 2° turno que provavelmente deve ganhar também.

O problema é a lavagem cerebral que é feito nas escolas (e muito mais nas universidades), o que é ensinado com viés altamente esquerdistas, é o método de gramsci, o que faz com que o pessoal saia das escolas ou universidades com um pensamento mais estatista, anti-empreendedorismo e socialista, por isso o pt consegue captar tantos jovens e a impreensa, mais de 80% dos jornalistas são de esquerda.

A esquerda entendeu que pra dominar uma nação, começa de berço, na educação, nas artes (artistas, atores, rede globo, cinema nacional, na impreensa e etc. isso explica a maioria dos atores brasileiros serem de esquerda.

Porém na internet, a direita domina melhor, pois é um espaço em que as ideias podem ser difundidas e qualquer um pode contestar fatos, cada um tem a sua bolha, a direita geralmente é a galera mais engajada na política, eles não ficam presos só na sua bolha, querendo ou não, eles assistem televisão tbm e acessam outras bolhas pela internet e por isso são melhores nos argumentos enquanto a esquerda tende a ser mais fechada e mais ignorante em ver o que está sendo discutido fora da caixa, isso fez lula perder as eleições do primeiro turno pela primeira vez depois de tanto tempo, deve que a janja que é outra burra colocou na cabeça do velho que ele iria ganhar no primeiro turno kkk

Por isso que eu acho que definir se funça público pode votar ou não, idade mínima e outros citados não resolveria a situação, o problema é a base, a educação, se a esquerda domina isso, pode impedir quem for de votar que não vai mudar em quase nada, vai é dar mais argumento pra esquerda de calar a direita, não caiam nessa armadilha, o problema como eu disse é quem controla a educação e os meios de comunicação...

So I played with site today . I’m starting to get the hang of it  , once again this is an amazing tool. The more I navigate, more it get clearer.

So today I made use of $10k as my Desired annual nominal purchasing power target . At today’s 200WMA I will need $100k worth of BTC which is $100,000/66,143 which approximately around 1.51BTC in my portfolio at 10% withdrawal . While at 4% I will need over approximately 3.78 BTC .

So at 10 Projection horizon  with the inflation rate of 3.0% . For 10% withdrawal I will need 0.2725 BTC  and for 4% i will 0.6814 BTC as my portfolio. So I don’t know if I read that well so I’m going to drop my link here in case of  any mistakes.

The basic concept for any calculation on conversions always starts from an understanding of the units that exists within the commodity being considered.

For Bitcoin, the basic unit remains the SAT. Of course there are several other units that can be considered and mostly, they follow the normal standards of measurements except for the Satoshi which establishes Bitcoin’s basic unit. Some of the most important and common units used in Bitcoin are;

Satoshi - SAT = 0.00000001 - 1 Sat
MilliBitcoin - mBTC = 0.001 - 100,000 Sat
Bitcoin - BTC = 1 - 100,000,000 Sat

Haven’t established that fact, then it comes down to what the price is and the unit you want to convert the price to.

Considering the price, if you are converting to the basic unit (Sats), you divide and might multiply as it applies.

Só do Flávio mythologics ter terminado o 1° turno na frente, já me reacendeu as esperanças, o mercado também ficou bastante empolgado, a bolsa IBOVESPA registrou alta histórica logo na abertura do mercado:



Ibovespa toca inéditos 209 mil pontos com favoritismo de Flávio Bolsonaro

Se Flávio conseguir fazer um governo *Razoável*, já terá sido melhor que o governo atual, o pt não se elege pra mais nada, elegemos a maior bancada de direita da história nessa eleição: https://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/eleicoes/2026/pl-faz-a-limpa-no-senado-e-tera-a-maior-bancada-de-um-partido-na-historia/

Com senado e assembleia de direita, flávio terá muito mais facilidades pra governar, só de indicação de ministros já se falam de 04 a 06 cadeiras... brutal!!

Além disso, Educarda Campopiano, que é Bitcoiner, foi a deputada estadual mais votada de São Paulo.
https://x.com/BitcoinCabuloso/status/2106600497729647047

O Brasil acordou e quem não está feliz é louco!

Time again for another update, reason being another quite generous transaction and a lot of smaller traffic with few in the low hundredthousand sats, too.


Current balance at time of this post according to combo(PubKey of Genesis block's coinbase) descriptor, including the unspendable 50BTC of coinbase tx: 107.58485155BTC (includes pending 10224sats waiting for confirmation, the difference (0.10513718BTC) to previous post's value and newcomer transactions are smaller dust wastes and often a few larger ones that just don't make it into the table).

This may differ slightly from what mempool.space or bitcoindata.science displays because the combo() descriptor^{see below} accounts for all address types (except Taproot, IIRC).

O theymos parece ser uma pessoa firme, ou seja, uma vez estabelecido uma regra, dificilmente será revertida, por mais que o cenário de hostilidade aos mixers diminua.

Infelizmente, no que se refere a mixers de volta ao forum, não será mais revertido.

O theymos parece ser uma pessoa legal, já conversou comigo quando eu precisei alterar meu display name e tudo ocorreu numa boa.

Sorry for bumping this thread after several months. I learned about this discussion from this thread: The Calculation of mBTC and Satoshi to USDT (USD)


I never knew that there was a tool like this. It's very simple yet comprehensive.

Maybe having a free signature campaign about this project on the forum will give it more publicity. I guess many people don't know about this helpful tool.

It has exactly everything I need for educational purposes. I have been teaching some people online about Bitcoin, and I will introduce this website to them because it would help them understand Bitcoin units and use converters.

Good work.

I think the common ones are just the Satoshi and the 1:1 btc unit, I’ve come crossed mbtc a couple times though, not even on Electrum now even though Electrum has it as default base unit. I don’t get to use the unit on cold storage either..

Can’t count the number of times I’ve used your calculation tool here aswell . I remembered always confusing the domain with bitcoinscience.data before  .

Understanding the calculation seems interesting but I believe not everybody like all this arithmetic and statistics, and I think you must not know all that to be in the bitcoin space. Honestly to me it’s much easier to use the search engine to find every equivalent of bitcoin unit I’m looking for. That’s what I’ve being doing all this while. However, I like this idea of the bitmover’s tool, I just went through it now and it’s actually listed many other units. Which should help one through what ever unit of bitcoin you’re dealing with I’m just getting to know this tool in particular.

I knew that bitmover has that converter tool but did not remember the link, and when I searched for Bitcoin / satoshi to USD converter, I got some as I shared, which I thought is more than enough.

Your screenshot shared by you shows that bitmover's converter has more units, that can be more helpful for people who need it but I believe most people don't use too many Bitcoin units. I like the site because it has many fiat currencies for the converter rather than many Bitcoin units.

I don't say the other people think like me but I only need three Bitcoin units: satoshi, millibitcoin mBTC and bitcoin. I have never used the other units and even converters, I don't use them. Usually I get Bitcoin price from Binance, and calculate it by myself.

I was about saying that you’re much better off with using tools that coverts it easily. Because OP even made list for just two units of bitcoin while there are lots of other units.

My best converter tool wasn’t even listed here by you. It’s the one developed by bitmover, you have access to almost all units of bitcoin at once and also the price in the currency you so desire and this is way simple in my opinion


https://bitcoindata.science/bitcoin-units-converter

57k to 462k

is good

but maybe a bit short to say it was like the 1k to 19k move

still If we move to 462k quickly we would likely be happy

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We have had those kinds of situations previously.  Bitcoin prices go shooting up, and then HODLers are whining about the severity of the correction, and of course the BTC price rise that followed the March 2020 price correction was quite stupendous, and yeah in recent times (kinda looking at you cAPSLOCK). Think about the correction down to $4k-ish, and then by March 2021, we were at $64k-ish, which is 16x.

Yeah of course, we had quite a bit of correction after that including the summer 2021 that took us down to about $28k before we went to $69k in late 2021 - and then of course, the BIGGER 2022 crash down to $15,479, yet still did not bring us back to pre-2021 prices, even though there was some frustration in 2022 since we spent quite a bit of time below our 2017 high prices (of $19,666)... but yeah, in the end, longer term HODLers have done quite well through all of these periods if they had been ONLY holding, and even if they had been HOLDing and accumulating more (so long as they weren't selling and/or trying to trade).


I can accept some modified price rise that would be lower than 78x, in the ballpark of 20x or maybe even 8x to 19x and then claiming that the price rise was like 2017; however, I consider that claiming that going up $20k to be equivalent (or like the 2017 price run) would be nearly retarded.  Even claiming anything less than 16x to be like 2017, might not be a very fair comparison since our most recent rise from $15.5k to $126k could arguably be characterized as an 8x, and our March 2020 rise from $4k to $64k in March 2021 could be characterized as a 16x price rise.

I hate to be nit-picky, even though I do sometimes feel like nit-picking might help iron to sharpen iron, and for sure, when we are batting around some of these numbers, we might come to realize that there are better ways to frame matters or that our own framing is less than accurate.


Whoaza. I understand that going up $20k from our $126k (such as up to $146k), that could be all that ends up happening in the next year or so, yet at the same time, I doubt that we get anything that could be characterized as a 2017 style run without at least an 8x from the $57,735 bottom (which would be $462k).

I might have to rethink my numbers, yet tentatively speaking, I am not going to accept anyone proclaiming a 2017 style run up with anything less than an 8x from the $57,735 bottom.  From my point of view (tentatively speaking) anything less than that does not qualify as a "2017-like" price run.

Sure, call it whatever you like and even you end up having your face melted off, but if we don't get at least $462k in the next 1-2 years, from my perspective, the price run up would not count as a "2017-like" price run.  I could give less than 2 shits about the substantive numbers and guys making exaggerated BIG deals because the price is up $300k blah blah blah. 

Even though the substantive number give each of us long term HODLers compounding effects that blow the socks off of the beginners, historically, bitcoin has reset itself several times (perhaps every 4 years), and we measure our percentages from the various jumping off points, and the substantive numbers hardly matter any more.  Yeah, sure, of course, the level of the returns have tended to be diminishing, so yeah, we can look at each 4 year cycle and measure that the price rises have not gone up as much whether we are measuring from bottom to top, top to top, bottom to bottom, or using various averages - even though if we look at the 200 WMA, it has ongoingly been plodding upwardly, yet we can even look at the rises in the 200-WMA, every 6 months and see periods in which the 200WMA had only gone up 18.3% annualized, yet those were the lowest rates for any year or 6 month period that we had come accross in bitcoin's history.


I will say that you are more bearish in this description than you were previously, and sure it does not really matter very much, since of course, whenever we are trying to predict the future with specifics, then the outcome can be quite wrong with our particulars, even though directionally, many of us may well end up being correct.. even though sometimes it may well take several years for the noisy periods to work themselves out and for UPpity to be clearly seen, and yeah these days, guys who are calling for sub $40k are seeming to be nutjobs, even though some of them have conceded, and yeah, not all of the bears have conceded that the bottom is likely already in...so there are some bear hold outs, and yeah, they can have fun with their wishes of more downity that may or may not end up happening.

I don’t want to start vouching for DeFi tokens, but if you really want to find a legitimate option, they’re out there.

I wish the price was lower. I didn’t get as many shares as I wanted and now it appears to be off to the races. Same with Bitcoin. I need a black swan event so I can go deep.

Even though her story comes off as contradictory in several ways, it would not necessarily be unrealistic to accumulate bitcoin like a mad woman, and then maybe considering being able to either retire off of your bitcoin in something like a 10-15-ish year timeline or to at least supplement whatever other income sources that might exist (let's say when she is somewhere between 55 years and 60 years.

We know that bitcoin first hit $104k in December 2024 (that would have had been the first time on the way up), and it also hit $104k on the way down in early November 2025. 

Based on the way that individuals receive their extra cashflows, it does tend to have advantages to get in the market earlier rather than later, even though in this case, on the way up there would have potentially been a lot of buying of BTC at higher prices, and of course since November 2025, BTC prices have not gotten close to staying above $100k.

Sometimes a person who is in their 30s or 40s will have built up resources that allow them to stack BTC more aggressively than a younger person, yet maybe we cannot presume anything in particular about this particular lady, except that she wants to stay serious about her bitcoin stacking.

If we presume that the lady is from the west and she has an income of around $60k, and maybe a relatively aggressive accumulating ability, then maybe she could accumulate $300 per week, which would be $15,600 per year and 26% of her income, which is quite aggressive.. .and perhaps a chanenge for any normal person to be able to ongoingly sustain.

Now if we presume that she started accumulating bitcoin earlier (in December 2024) rather than later (November 2025), then perhaps by now she would have had invested $29k an accumulated close to 0.34 BTC.

If we project out 10 years from December 2024, and expect that she might prefer to have an income of $80k per year from her passive income (from bitcoin), then it appears that by December 2034 (when she would be 55 years old), she would need to have right around 2.6 BTC or more to get to that level... so surely she may well have to step up her regular BTC accumulating amount to be able to fully get to that kind of a fuck you status, even though she most likely would be capable of supplementing other sources of income, if she were to keep accumulating in the ballpark of $300 per week (26% of her income).

By the way, if she could wait (and keep stacking BTC at $300 per week-ish) until December 2040 (an additional 4 years), when she would be 61 years old, then if she were to get her BTC stash up to 1.276 BTC, then she may well be able to have enough BTC to start to draw $80k per year income from her BTC stash at that time. 

It does not seem like an unreasonable set of circumstances, even though I am presuming a certain level of ability for such a lady to stay persistent for another 14-ish years into the future... which seems way more difficult as compared with what many of us older timer bitcoiners ended up having to do in order to have been able to get our stashes at fuck you status (if we had been somewhat persistent)... which through the years (and we might not have known it at the time), there had been a lot of advantages in persistently buying bitcoin and holding it and especially not selling it or fucking around with trying to trade it before reaching a decently reasonably good-sized stack.

Sometimes we can see retroactively what might have had been difficult to see while it was happening, in the past 8-14 years.


Yep.  Sad.


True Dat.

When you have a decent lower average cost per BTC, it is not as BIG of a deal to shave some off when the already existing built in profits are in the ballpark of 75x to 95x.. ..

and, yeah, part of the difficulty is getting to such levels of profits that the cushion is so great that maybe not as much though is going into the level of the bitcoin profits, but instead, questions about the extent to which there is enough bitcoin in the stash to justify spending it at any price.

I think that any costs below $10k is currently a pretty good place to be, yet of course, 85x profits is better than 8.5x profits, yet itI recall that in 2018 through 2020, when BTC prices were bouncing around between $4k and $10k, I felt way better when BTC prices were above $5k as compared to when they were not... and even at that time, I felt that if I had needed to shave off some bitcoin, I would have had done it, but there was some additional comfort in knowing that there was no need to rush any bitcoin sales and to largely just let it continue to ride.

So now if BTC prices are tending to bounce between $65k and $87k, the cushion seems so much greater, and there should not be very much hesitancy to shave off a bit of coin. .. even though sometimes we also might want to try to be a bit measured in how we are shaving some of our coins.. which then boils more down to questions about the extent that we have enough or more than enough bitcoin as compared with questions about the extent to which our coins are in profits.

I know that the concepts of profits and how many coins we have are related concepts, since greater levels of profits require way fewer originally bought coins in order to reach the same value as coins that are in less profits but they amount to larger quantities of coins accumulated through the years. 

I frequently suggest to both newbies and those who seem to be in the process of coin accumulation, to concentrate their efforts on coin accumulation rather than trying to strategize around profits, since it seems that historically with bitcoin (and likely to continue into the future), as long as coin accumulation is healthy, then profits will work themselves out.

Financial freedom with enough features bitcoin is having things which were never been possible while his existence was also always questionable but now its bringing more flexibility in lives because peoples are accumulating for future and feeling good because its going to be have good changes for them in long run just need scheduled your all strategy and then enter for having benefits which are increasing after every day.

Never compromise on anything because it's going to be a serious threat for you and your financial freedom, which is currently most important for you and your beloved one's DCA, which is surely currently one of the best, but still anyone can do anything for his own flexibility because it's always better to stay in your comfortable zone instead of doing anything that is not easy for you.

Buying bitcoin regularly and gradually with time is very good for accumulation and building up our bitcoin portfolios but it's possible for us to withdraw our profit from Bitcoin portfolios gradually with time too. Surely buying needs to be done more regularly than withdrawals over time.

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Bro, I quickly checked if he has added a future valuation calculation feature too. When you said what to expect in the future!

While it is still the same, entering old data to see what we could have made, but I don't really think we should use this to find out the future move of BTC and profits we can make. Because the future is going to be completely different. I did not use this template because I did not know it existed haha. I think they introduced it recently. Like, I have my own spreadsheet from 2024, and since then I have not changed it, just using it and adding, modifying it with time. But this template spreadsheet seems really good.

I also want to avoid anything that I have to download.

You can plug your target income level into the fuck you status tool and you can see that if you project out 10 years, you will need 2.5x more bitcoin if you are considering that you can ONLY employ a 4% withdrawal rate as compared with if you are considering that you could employ a 10% withdrawal rate.    Of course, you have to consider a withdrawal rate that is reasonable, and I am very much a fan of sustainable withdrawal (meaning that it can be done forever) versus a kind of withdrawal that depletes the principle, unless there is a purposeful reason for depleting the principle, such as age and/or health.

So, surely the withdrawal rate is sustainable so long as on average the bitcoin holdings is growing faster than the withdrawal rate.   The historical backlogs in the sustainable withdrawal tool shows that quite aggressive withdrawal rates of greater than 10% per year could have had been employed and still the bitcoin holdings would grow faster than it was being withdrawn - especially if the bitcoin holdings were valued using the 200-WMA and the withdrawals were being done based on the dollar target.

From my point of view, guys can make mistakes by wrongly valuating their holdings (getting overly excited about spot price) and then ending up withdrawing too much too soon based on their presumptions that spot prices are sustainable and really the 200-WMA tends to be more sustainable since it is considered a bottom price, so therefore the 200-WMA tends to move around a lot less.. and also ongoingly tends to go up (at least so far in bitcoin's history).

If we use the default annual income of $80k in the fuck you status tool, then we can see that in June 2020, it would have had taken 135.5 BTC to support that $80k annual income level, in December 2023, it would have had taken 27.5 BTC, in June 2025, it would have had taken 16.7 BTC, and currently the December 2026 projection is that it will ONLY take 11.4 BTC to support that same annual income of $80k.

Of course, we can use the fuck you status tool to project forward based on presumptions of how much the 200-WMA will continue to grow, and see how many bitcoin it would be considered to take at various points in time in the future to sustain that same income level of $80k per year, yet we an also use the simulation tool within the sustainable withdrawal tool to backtest what would have had been our withdrawal amounts and to see what would have had happened to our bitcoin stash size if we had withdrawn at that $80k per year rate.  

You can put the numbers in at any date and see that high rates of withdrawn (such as 10% or more per year of the 200-WMA valuation) would have had been supported as long as you were valuating your holdings based on the 200-WMA and then withdrawing from your holdings based the dollar value to sustain your target income level.  

So, just plug in the numbers. for example, if you had 100 BTC in January 2021, the 200WMA would have had valued your portfolio at $780k at that time, and if you put the withdrawal rate of 10% into the simulator based on the 200WMA value, then it would have had started out withdrawing at  $78k per year, and if you had continued to withdraw at 10% of the 200 WMA valuation, between January 2021 and now you would have had withdrawn 28.42 BTC which would have had been $1.474 million dollars, which really ended up being an average of $246k per year.. but even with that withdrawal rate, you would still have 71.6 BTC right now.  

The simulator is surely not perfect since it did not account for a constant $80k per year withdrawal, but instead withdrew the quantity of dollars based on 10% of the 200WMA valuation, and since the 200-WMA continued to go up way greater than the targeted withdrawal rate of $80k per year (perhaps with a 7% per year increase in the dollar withdrawal rate), the annual withdrawal amount ended up being way higher than the targeted $80k per year rate.

Of course when we are looking at how many bitcoin that we need right now to withdraw at a certain rate, it might seem impossible to reach that amount of BTC, but surely once we reach the needed level in accordance with valuating at the 200-WMA amounts, it seems quite likely that we can withdraw at decently high rates (such as 10% or more) as long as we are valuating our stash based on the 200-WMA rather than the all over the place movements of the spot price, even though when we are withdrawing from our holdings we are receiving spot prices for the amount of BTC that we end up selling which should end up preserving our bitcoin stash since we tend to have to withdraw fewer bitcoin in order to reach our target dollar amount of withdrawal (such as $80k per year in the example).

I also think that both the back models and even the likely future projections of BTC allows a 10% per year withdrawal (based on the 200-WMA valuation), but also an ability to give yourself a 7% per year raise in the dollar withdrawal rate amount each year, so once withdrawals begin for the $80k per year guy, then the second year his withdrawal amount would be $85.6k and then the third year the withdrawal amount would be $91.6k and the fourth year the withdrawal amount would be $98k.. etc etc etc.

Of course, there can be ongoing monitoring of the value of the bitcoin at the 200-WMA valuation to make sure that the withdrawal amounts continue to be sustainable and that the withdrawal amounts are not overly depleting the BTC holdings.

You can plug your target income level into the fuck you status tool and you can see that if you project out 10 years, you will need 2.5x more bitcoin if you are considering that you can ONLY employ a 4% withdrawal rate as compared with if you are considering that you could employ a 10% withdrawal rate.    Of course, you have to consider a withdrawal rate that is reasonable, and I am very much a fan of sustainable withdrawal (meaning that it can be done forever) versus a kind of withdrawal that depletes the principle, unless there is a purposeful reason for depleting the principle, such as age and/or health.

So, surely the withdrawal rate is sustainable so long as on average the bitcoin holdings is growing faster than the withdrawal rate.   The historical backlogs in the sustainable withdrawal tool shows that quite aggressive withdrawal rates of greater than 10% per year could have had been employed and still the bitcoin holdings would grow faster than it was being withdrawn - especially if the bitcoin holdings were valued using the 200-WMA and the withdrawals were being done based on the dollar target.

From my point of view, guys can make mistakes by wrongly valuating their holdings (getting overly excited about spot price) and then ending up withdrawing too much too soon based on their presumptions that spot prices are sustainable and really the 200-WMA tends to be more sustainable since it is considered a bottom price, so therefore the 200-WMA tends to move around a lot less.. and also ongoingly tends to go up (at least so far in bitcoin's history).

If we use the default annual income of $80k in the fuck you status tool, then we can see that in June 2020, it would have had taken 135.5 BTC to support that $80k annual income level, in December 2023, it would have had taken 27.5 BTC, in June 2025, it would have had taken 16.7 BTC, and currently the December 2026 projection is that it will ONLY take 11.4 BTC to support that same annual income of $80k.

Of course, we can use the fuck you status tool to project forward based on presumptions of how much the 200-WMA will continue to grow, and see how many bitcoin it would be considered to take at various points in time in the future to sustain that same income level of $80k per year, yet we an also use the simulation tool within the sustainable withdrawal tool to backtest what would have had been our withdrawal amounts and to see what would have had happened to our bitcoin stash size if we had withdrawn at that $80k per year rate. 

You can put the numbers in at any date and see that high rates of withdrawn (such as 10% or more per year of the 200-WMA valuation) would have had been supported as long as you were valuating your holdings based on the 200-WMA and then withdrawing from your holdings based the dollar value to sustain your target income level. 

So, just plug in the numbers. for example, if you had 100 BTC in January 2021, the 200WMA would have had valued your portfolio at $780k at that time, and if you put the withdrawal rate of 10% into the simulator based on the 200WMA value, then it would have had started out withdrawing at  $78k per year, and if you had continued to withdraw at 10% of the 200 WMA valuation, between January 2021 and now you would have had withdrawn 28.42 BTC which would have had been $1.474 million dollars, which really ended up being an average of $246k per year.. but even with that withdrawal rate, you would still have 71.6 BTC right now. 

The simulator is su

Of course when we are looking at how many bitcoin that we need right now to withdraw at a certain rate, it might seem impossible to reach, but surely once we reach the needed level, it seems quite likely that we can withdraw at decently high rates as long as we are valuating our stash based on the 200-WMA rather than the all over the place movements of the spot price, even though when we are withdrawing from our holdings we are withdrawing at the spot price which should end up preserving our bitcoin stash since we tend to have to withdraw fewer bitcoin in order to reach our target dollar amount of withdrawal.

I also think that both the back models and even the likely future projections of BTC allows a 10% per year withdrawal (based on the 200-WMA valuation), but also an ability to give yourself a 7% per year raise in the dollar withdrawal rate amount, so once withdrawals begin for the $80k per year guy, then the second year his withdrawal amount would be $85.6k and then the third year the withdrawal amount would be $91.6k and the fourth year the withdrawal amount would be $98k.. etc etc etc.

Of course, there can be ongoing monitoring of the value of the bitcoin at the 200-WMA valuation to make sure that the withdrawal amounts continue to be sustainable.

Update:
DT 1
     1. 35: theymos (Trust: +29 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (58) 15148 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. 11425: gmaxwell (Trust: +13 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (18) 10544 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. 33156: vapourminer (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 5856 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. 51173: mprep (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 1772 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. 55384: Foxpup (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 2810 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. 64507: philipma1957 (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (21) 11518 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. 78147: Cyrus (Trust: +21 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (25) 2904 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. 84521: Welsh (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (23) 3690 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. 84866: ibminer (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (14) 2867 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. 97582: joker_josue (Trust: +8 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (9) 7015 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. 112493: Pmalek (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 9072 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. 113670: Mitchell (Trust: +44 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (21) 2342 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. 123824: albon (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 2211 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. 131333: wwzsocki (Trust: +14 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (0) 1529 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. 137185: jeremypwr (Trust: +56 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (16) 6291 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. 140582: gbianchi (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 2667 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. 140584: EFS (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (6) 2214 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. 145841: Swordsoffreedom (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 234 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. 164822: hilariousandco (Trust: +27 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (30) 1957 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. 189967: buckrogers (Trust: +29 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 209 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. 204821: Buchi-88 (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 2392 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. 206143: Lesbian Cow (Trust: +42 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 758 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. 216582: willi9974 (Trust: +48 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 2990 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. 252510: JayJuanGee (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (19) 14034 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. 257071: NeuroticFish (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 6280 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. 290195: achow101 (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 6823 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. 300014: DaveF (Trust: +29 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (16) 7056 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. 314792: examplens (Trust: +10 / =5 / -0) (DT1! (25) 4006 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. 317618: nutildah (Trust: +19 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (28) 10944 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. 350580: irfan_pak10 (Trust: +14 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (3) 787 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    31. 355846: yahoo62278 (Trust: +42 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (26) 4531 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    32. 364070: bitbollo (Trust: +18 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 4077 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    33. 379147: pooya87 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 11571 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    34. 379487: LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (23) 12317 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    35. 395806: o_solo_miner (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 542 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    36. 405464: mocacinno (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 4541 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    37. 405482: Real-Duke (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 2966 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    38. 407174: klarki (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (4) 4768 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    39. 459836: LoyceV (Trust: +33 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (60) 21792 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    40. 521899: SFR10 (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 3169 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    41. 533583: Lucius (Trust:  neutral) (DT1! (2) 6814 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    42. 557798: TryNinja (Trust: +11 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (11) 10651 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    43. 754818: holydarkness (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (13) 1430 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    44. 805820: Lafu (Trust: +18 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (18) 4123 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    45. 807453: Cointxz (Trust: +6 / =7 / -0) (DT1! (0) 841 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    46. 839568: AakZaki (Trust: +9 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (5) 2304 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    47. 889300: giammangiato (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1536 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    48. 901859: buwaytress (Trust: +27 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 4017 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    49. 914465: crwth (Trust: +3 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (1) 1375 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    50. 932931: Ale88 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 3755 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    51. 949248: Kryptowerk (Trust: +44 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1350 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    52. 995810: hosemary (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 7090 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    53. 1016855: JollyGood (Trust: +18 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (19) 2083 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    54. 1045971: igebotz (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (11) 2364 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    55. 1051955: roycilik (Trust: +11 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (2) 1908 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    56. 1052091: CryptopreneurBrainboss (Trust: +17 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (14) 5197 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    57. 1059082: hugeblack (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 4698 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    58. 1097370: KTChampions (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 2388 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    59. 1137579: icopress (Trust: +89 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (40) 13468 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    60. 1179651: sheenshane (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 1172 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    61. 1247226: logfiles (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (12) 2415 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    62. 1269497: Bitcoin_Arena (Trust: +2 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (6) 2120 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    63. 1285797: GazetaBitcoin (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (19) 10225 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    64. 1424178: mole0815 (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 3702 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    65. 1554927: bitmover (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 7777 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    66. 1724800: Lakai01 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 4349 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    67. 1825672: morvillz7z (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 2224 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    68. 1852120: fillippone (Trust: +11 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (19) 21519 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    69. 1862043: cryptofrka (Trust: +19 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 3256 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    70. 1878246: abhiseshakana (Trust: +2 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (1) 2645 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    71. 1980983: The Cryptovator (Trust: +21 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (23) 2621 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    72. 1982152: lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +27 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (27) 5868 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    73. 2003859: DireWolfM14 (Trust: +22 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (23) 5873 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    74. 2015418: notblox1 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 1664 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    75. 2344286: Little Mouse (Trust: +51 / =2 / -1) (DT1! (4) 3830 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    76. 2477002: inspace (Trust: +5 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1753 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    77. 2519096: Awaklara (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 862 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    78. 2597426: efialtis (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1591 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    79. 2652924: geophphreigh (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1146 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    80. 2654005: zasad@ (Trust: +3 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (8) 5839 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    81. 2658890: Rikafip (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (24) 8399 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    82. 2709122: Etranger (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1892 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    83. 2739424: NotATether (Trust: +8 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (9) 10341 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    84. 2739454: Stalker22 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 1659 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    85. 2744352: bullrun2024bro (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (9) 5396 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    86. 2745549: decodx (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 1000 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    87. 2776678: Charles-Tim (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 6561 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    88. 2796662: Lillominato89 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1305 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    89. 2836461: Free Market Capitalist (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (14) 3663 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    90. 3442536: AHOYBRAUSE (Trust: +2 / =4 / -0) (DT1! (6) 2047 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    91. 3442614: YodasRedRocket (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 651 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    92. 3486361: PowerGlove (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 7322 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    93. 3519432: SirJohnVonSlotty (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1082 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    94. 3558380: Mia Chloe (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 2300 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)

DT 2
     1. 3: satoshi (Trust: +39 / =0 / -0) (8901 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. 4: sirius (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (935 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. 1268: nanotube (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
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     5. 2759: midnightmagic (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (27 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. 2786: Pieter Wuille (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (203 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. 3380: Vladimir (Trust:  neutral) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. 3420: dooglus (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (335 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. 4171: Raize (Trust:  neutral) (24 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. 4528: Matt Corallo (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (15 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. 6347: Maged (Trust:  neutral) (17 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. 6447: forrestv (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (143 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. 7351: EPiSKiNG (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. 10354: JJG (Trust:  neutral) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)