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1. Post 65930938 (unedited backup) (by cAPSLOCK) (scraped on Fri Oct 17 03:12:49 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:
None of what you describe are outside of reasonable boundaries, yet I wonder if you are able to apply my sustainable withrawal formula to whatever your stash might be in order to only withdraw within the formula?
So, for example, if you were to have at least
14.8446 BTC, then you could start withdrawing $80k per year or perhaps $6,666 per month, and you could do that perpetually with a 7% raise each year.
Of course, if you were to have more, then you have more of a cushion and/or your withdrawal rate could be higher, whether your bitcoin are your complete income or if they happen to be supplementing any other income streams that you might have.
Once you know your withdrawal rate, then you work out the various spending that you choose to do to make sure that you are not spending beyond your budget..
I am not completely against the idea of loans, yet I think that any loans would supplement some variation of my sustainable withdrawal ideas... so Maybe if you were to have 20 BTC, then maybe you could plug the 14.446 BTC into the sustainable withdrawal plan and then you plug the other 5.15-ish BTC into whatever loan terms that you would enter into. Nothing wrong with potentially having a diversification of ways that you might receive income, whether on your bitcoin or any other income sources that you might have.. some of them might be more passive than others... yet even with my own management of various cashflows, I still think that I spend a couple of hours a week, so maybe 8-10-ish hours a month managing cashflows..
Beyond my experiences.
Sure, you can have price based and time based withdrawal practices.
Lather, Rinse, Repeat. --- and keep the stack healthy and perhaps even GROWING.
Many of us likely already know that the dollar value of the bitcoin will likely continue to grow, even if we withdraw from our bitcoin on a regular basis, as long we are withdrawing at a rate that is lower than the rate that the bitcoin is growing in its dollar value.
If we are not sure about how long we might need to withdraw, the sure, we likely want to be able to continue to withdraw at the same rate and/or increase for the cost of living increases without overly depleting our stash... . at the same time, if we are getting closer towards knowing our days are numbered, then we might be o.k. to deplete our stash... but yeah, no one really wants to outlive their stash and then end up in some kind of a poverty situation, in the event that they still need more money.
I might be overly concern that something like a put is not necessary, yet again, I don't understand it well enough to know if it might be helpful.
I personally think that if a person is withdrawing from the sustainable withdrawal, and take my earlier example of 14.8446 BTC, and if the person has 20 BTC, then he can just fuck around with the extra 5.15 BTC in order to splurge in various ways, but the 14.8446 is supporting him no matter what... and sure, maybe there could be some need to have some extra money so that if the BTC price drops very low, then there would not be any need to withdraw from the stash during those low price periods.
I can see how the put can offer you an ability to be covered either way, yet lowering your upside...
Personally, I have no problem selling enough to cover any bear markets that might come, including that largely if we already had enough to live off of our BTC since $5k-ish, then if the price is $100k then it is still 20x more than the amount needed to live on.
Of course, I understand that each of us might have had reached our fuck you status at differing prices, so then the surplus that we have to work with is likely less, yet I get nervous about loans and puts, since we can also live with the stash that we have as long as our stash is greater than our minimal needs, and the higher our surplus then we already have plenty of options.
I have a hard time imagining that you don't already have more than 5x the amount that you need, so then your trying to hedge with loans and/or puts may well end up overly complicating your already good situation in which you already have a decent amount of surplus that can be used to buttress whatever system you put in place that could merely involve various forms of price-based and/or time-based sustainable withdrawal practices.
I suppose the punchline is to figure out how to play with as many of the financial instruments that are comfortable to our situation, and maybe any set of financial instruments can start to feel straight-forward and simple to the extent that we are using them all of the time, yet I doubt that we can necessarily pass down our systems to any heirs or that heirs would necessarily respect our systems, unless they were locked into having to follow it by some kind of a trust that is not going to get broken after our passing.
I could respond to each point... but I can kind of do it in a summation here.
First of all, I am using something very similar to your sustainable withdrawal formula now. Great minds think alike.

I am doing something on the VERY conservative side. My burn rate does not use up the majority of my bitcoin before I have shuffled off. Most likely.
What I am toying with here is a way to use financial instruments to reduce variance, and avoid Cap Gains. All of this changes if Cap Gains goes away.
The loan is the thing that avoids the taxes. But instead adds interest. So then the calculation is what speed MUST I pay the loan off at before Cap Gains would have been a better deal. So I have a lot of work to do with these calculations. My gut tells me most of these numbers will NOT be something I want to dip my toe into YET. The interest rates are high. For anything under 250k/year (I do NOT need more than this) the APR at maturity is 13%. Cap Gains in the US on a long term sale is 15%. My basis is pretty close to zero (lol). At least this makes the math easy (that said I have bought at prices much higher than where most of my stack was acquired). So 13% is a LOT of money for the loan. Cap Gains are a 1-off. BUT!!! Even in that scenario if Bitcoin were to 2x then the loan effectively ends up costing me something like 60-75% of the bitcoin I would have had to use for them money when I took OUT the loan. The PUT Options are interesting. This is purely insurance. And at the moment I entered a contract I would consider that money GONE. But this protects me against bears.
It is a way to maximize the benefit of uppity... by taking out a loan for my "withdrawal" while counting on BTC to keep going UP enough to maker the loan+interest worth it, while hedging that bet with the put option so I cannot get trapped by a situation where the loan is due and I have to use more bitcoin to pay it off than the loan was for in the first place.
The question ends up being... is there a combination of these tools that gives me a potential edge over the simple, clean method of withdrawal only?
And I am not certain yet. BUT if there is a way to give significant chance of sustaining my stack... well it should be considered I think.
As you say the punchline is using financial instruments to protect the stack. At least lower the burn rate while pulling what I need. ALL of this is based on the idea that Bitcoin is not done going up.
I am going to work through the numbers... if I see a way that makes sense I will report that here.
2. Post 65930864 (unedited backup) (by God Of Thunder) (scraped on Fri Oct 17 02:28:50 CEST 2025) in 👑🏆👑BITZ.io Cryptocasino| 5 BTC Daily withdrawal | $1.5kk lvl up reward 👑🏆👑:
For example, I made a deposit of just over $25, bought a bonus in one of the slot game for $20, and placed a bet on one of the tennis matches for $5.
Good point. Thanks for sharing it. Yes, players can participate in both promotions by making a single deposit. I think the 1x wagering requirement for the sportsbet contest is pretty standard, while I tried not to attach any strings to the slot multiplier contest rewards. So, there will be no wagering requirement, and the prizes will be sent directly to the winners ' Bitcoin wallet address. I feel like the slot multiplier contests are losing their popularity due to these restrictions.
I am not worrying, I am just disappointed... I wanted to play 2 hours ago, and I am still waiting. My funds will not be lost, but you lost a player... after I get my deposit, I will just withdraw it to another casino. I will wager it x1 if I have to, it's not a big deal.
I don't know if anyone else experienced this in this casino, but I never faced this personally. Sorry to hear about your bad experience with the deposit. As the representative already addressed, they added 0.2 SOL with a 25x wagering requirement as an apology. Sometimes these things happen, but it matters how the casino treats the player after the incident. I think Bitz is fair so far.
I don't know what are the wagering requirements for the faucets to withdrawal. Does anyone know?
As the Bitz representative already mentioned, there are no wagering requirements for faucet winnings.
3. Post 65930686 (unedited backup) (by JayJuanGee) (scraped on Fri Oct 17 01:05:13 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:
Rinse, Lather, Repeat.
Hello.
So I have been living off my stack for some time. I am not a trader. I also live a VERY simple and minimal life. So it is not expensive. At the current burn rate I could live well beyond my expected expiration date.
That said there are better ways to do this, and since I have bought myself the time to look into them I am formulating ideas. Thought I would share them here.
Though I would warn you.. as some of you already know these are the musings of a madman, and a fool. Not advice. In fact I welcome help understanding where I could be going wrong.
First of all my objectives are simple:
1. Retain the mass of my wealth as BTC.
2. Pay for my living expenses.
3. Keep those expenses as low as I can.
4. Reduce risk. (but try not to eliminate gains)
5. "Diversify" along the way into direct benefits to my life, that also are good value stores like real estate. But see #1. Not as investment. But as quality of life enhancements.
6. Take the low hanging fruit. Trips... Dates with my wife. Fine foods. An orange corvette or maybe even a Mclaren. OK not really those last two. But lets leave those there as ways I would spend frivolously from time to time for my own pleasure.
7. Give something to my kids once I am gone.
I am not very interested in gambling, or trading to the next strata of standard of living. Though I do plan to buy my brother in law into the WSOP since he is indirectly responsible for me being able to in the first place. I am fine to just live here on out.
So... why not sell just a little at a time?
None of what you describe are outside of reasonable boundaries, yet I wonder if you are able to apply my sustainable withrawal formula to whatever your stash might be in order to only withdraw within the formula?
So, for example, if you were to have at least
14.8446 BTC, then you could start withdrawing $80k per year or perhaps $6,666 per month, and you could do that perpetually with a 7% raise each year.
Of course, if you were to have more, then you have more of a cushion and/or your withdrawal rate could be higher, whether your bitcoin are your complete income or if they happen to be supplementing any other income streams that you might have.
Once you know your withdrawal rate, then you work out the various spending that you choose to do to make sure that you are not spending beyond your budget..
Well there are several obvious reasons. But the most obvious is there are simply better ways that will let me achieve the above list better... particularly #1.
So here is one possible VERY simple plan.
A. Take out a loan against my held value.
This is a huge topic in itself. the OBVIOUS reasons for it are the same as why high net worth folks always do this. I mitigate against taxes, and smooth out the variance of the bull/bear nature of BTC. While hopefully preserving my stack. There are not very many options available now (Strike Ledn etc) and most of them have ridonkulous interest rates. But as nations begin to recognize BITCOIN as a real asset, other ways to borrow at lower rates may be possible.
I am not completely against the idea of loans, yet I think that any loans would supplement some variation of my sustainable withdrawal ideas... so Maybe if you were to have 20 BTC, then maybe you could plug the 14.446 BTC into the sustainable withdrawal plan and then you plug the other 5.15-ish BTC into whatever loan terms that you would enter into. Nothing wrong with potentially having a diversification of ways that you might receive income, whether on your bitcoin or any other income sources that you might have.. some of them might be more passive than others... yet even with my own management of various cashflows, I still think that I spend a couple of hours a week, so maybe 8-10-ish hours a month managing cashflows..
B. Buy Put options against Bitcoin.
Beyond my experiences.
C. Repay loans as needed during bull markets as possible.
Sure, you can have price based and time based withdrawal practices.
Lather, Rinse, Repeat. --- and keep the stack healthy and perhaps even GROWING.
Many of us likely already know that the dollar value of the bitcoin will likely continue to grow, even if we withdraw from our bitcoin on a regular basis, as long we are withdrawing at a rate that is lower than the rate that the bitcoin is growing in its dollar value.
The trick is setting this up as as well as possible... but lets consider the mechanics.
First... we avoid tax. This is a huge boon since the rake to the gvmt is HUGE. It is like giving myself 15%+ head start. And the less I sell the more the value I hold can work for me through the mechanism of NGU we all love.
If we are not sure about how long we might need to withdraw, the sure, we likely want to be able to continue to withdraw at the same rate and/or increase for the cost of living increases without overly depleting our stash... . at the same time, if we are getting closer towards knowing our days are numbered, then we might be o.k. to deplete our stash... but yeah, no one really wants to outlive their stash and then end up in some kind of a poverty situation, in the event that they still need more money.
Well why bet against BTC with put options? This is using the financial instrument of options in the way it was intended. Options were designed to help farmers avoid being bankrupted when there was an extremely dry year. Or during other times where crops were not as bountiful. The farmer is setting aside an amount of future profits in a bet that pays him when times are tough... thus calming variance and keeping him afloat.
I might be overly concern that something like a put is not necessary, yet again, I don't understand it well enough to know if it might be helpful.
I personally think that if a person is withdrawing from the sustainable withdrawal, and take my earlier example of 14.8446 BTC, and if the person has 20 BTC, then he can just fuck around with the extra 5.15 BTC in order to splurge in various ways, but the 14.8446 is supporting him no matter what... and sure, maybe there could be some need to have some extra money so that if the BTC price drops very low, then there would not be any need to withdraw from the stash during those low price periods.
Depending on our needs we can reach a place in which capital PRESERVATION becomes VERY attractive. As in I have only so many more years to live, but I would like to live them doing my list up there.
So... I am creating the following scenarios. Based on the situation in which I have a loan to live off of, and put options as insurance.
1. Bitcoin does another big cycle bear (likely 30-50% this time... but who knows?) while I have my loan. The Put options PAY ME. And I can continue paying off my debt while waiting for the next bull AND living my life. In the end lost less... perhaps even none.
2. Bitcoin continues to go up... we break, or soften the 4 year cycle and we see it at $250k next year. Well my options were a waste. And the money I spend buying them is simply gone. But I am now 2x richer than I was before, and can EASILY pay off my loan. My options losses are barely a regret.
I can see how the put can offer you an ability to be covered either way, yet lowering your upside...
Personally, I have no problem selling enough to cover any bear markets that might come, including that largely if we already had enough to live off of our BTC since $5k-ish, then if the price is $100k then it is still 20x more than the amount needed to live on.
Of course, I understand that each of us might have had reached our fuck you status at differing prices, so then the surplus that we have to work with is likely less, yet I get nervous about loans and puts, since we can also live with the stash that we have as long as our stash is greater than our minimal needs, and the higher our surplus then we already have plenty of options.
I have a hard time imagining that you don't already have more than 5x the amount that you need, so then your trying to hedge with loans and/or puts may well end up overly complicating your already good situation in which you already have a decent amount of surplus that can be used to buttress whatever system you put in place that could merely involve various forms of price-based and/or time-based sustainable withdrawal practices.
3. Bitcoin crawls along sideways and my options come due, I lose the money, but my stack is basically what it was before... I have the money I need to live, AND I can continue to pay off my loan. This is potentially a worst case scenario. But it is WAY WAY better than having a loan I can only pay by selling my bitcoin after a crash.
Then just repeat the process till I am dead, and leave the well oiled machine to my family.
The details are, as usual, the hard part. How do I architect it? How much x? How long y? (loans, expenses, corvettes, and options) How to manage this? And what combination of the details is the most optimal?
Anyway. Here's the thing. Most of us were not born into this machine. And we may not realize that the best path forward is quite a bit more complex than simply "live off the stack". And even if we could??? Why not take as much into the grave as we can? I mean... I owe you guys that much.

Sorry for a very long post.
I suppose the punchline is to figure out how to play with as many of the financial instruments that are comfortable to our situation, and maybe any set of financial instruments can start to feel straight-forward and simple to the extent that we are using them all of the time, yet I doubt that we can necessarily pass down our systems to any heirs or that heirs would necessarily respect our systems, unless they were locked into having to follow it by some kind of a trust that is not going to get broken after our passing.
4. Post 65930600 (unedited backup) (by mikel_012) (scraped on Fri Oct 17 00:34:49 CEST 2025) in Bisq easy, versão mobile da Dex já disponível (somente para Android).:
Como é o mercado de reais brasileiros nessa bisq 2? É fácil conseguir vender bitcoin ou comprar bitcoin usando brl?
Tenho medo de aceitar pix e receber dinheiro de algum hack de banco ou do crime organizado, talvez seja muito perigoso fazer essas trocas por aí por que não tem nenhuma verificação de segurança

Voce pode usar revolut ou algo assim para receber em euros ou dólares. Bem mais seguro.
E o mais importante, por que trocar bitcoin (o melhor ativo do mundo) por reais?
Por que eu moro no Brasil e as vezes quero aproveitar as subidas para comprar algo legal ou viajar com a familia com meu BRL
Demorei pra vender alguns bitcoins quando perguntei no forum se alguem queria fazer a troca e o bitcoin caiu 10% desde aquele dia. Mas tudo certo foi só azar

5. Post 65929235 (unedited backup) (by JayJuanGee) (scraped on Thu Oct 16 18:54:43 CEST 2025) in JJG’s Outline of Bitcoin Investment Ideas:
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The appropriate investment amount is a matter for the individual, and there's no harm in investing 50% of your income in Bitcoin. This allows you to live a simple life before achieving financial freedom. A simple life won't kill you, so using that 50% of your money can be more beneficial for investing. Imagine if you did that in 10 or 15 years, how much better your life would undoubtedly be forward after everything goes perfectly.
I never wanted to say anything but looking at this your highlighted statement, I just think that it's proper to address it.
Investing 50% of your income in Bitcoin is actually not cool because it might weigh down on your ability to take care of yourself and your basic needs, but if you are talking about 50% of your discretionary income, then that's the best possible figure you should be investing from your discretionary income.
Our investment in Bitcoin should be based on our discretionary income, not from our monthly or weekly income because any investment done outside our discretionary income smells trouble, because that's gambling and it will just be a matter of time and you will likely sell it off or part of it just to address what the money used to invest in Bitcoin was meant for, so we should try to get it right by investing from our discretionary income, not from our basic income.
I would think that the suggestion coming from ancafe involves ONLY investing from discretionary income, and surely if anyone is able to invest 50% of their income into bitcoin (and that is ONLY from discretionary income), then they are going to make a lot of progress building up their bitcoin holdings, since they would end up investing 100% of their income every two years, so that is a very good way to front load their investment into bitcoin, even though surely there could be some concerns about what the bitcoin price is going to do, yet many times, if we consider that we are steadily investing into bitcoin, then after 4 years, our average cost per BTC should be right around the 200-WMA, and so far in bitcoin's price history, bitcoin has spent that vast majority of it's time at least 30% higher than the 200-WMA. Right now, as I type this post, bitcoin is dipping into the $108k's yet it is still slightly more than 100% (double) the
200WMA, which is currently at slightly below $54k.
Of course, bitcoin future prices are not guaranteed, even though there aren't any real reasons to expect that bitcoin's investment thesis is becoming any weaker with the passage of time, even though attacks upon it are ongoing, including attacks on self-custody and attacks on using it for private transactions, which is not easy to stop without really oppressing people, which might cause backlashes that are more costly than just allowing bitcoin to continue to exist.. including that bitcoin is a world-wide phenomena, and it is not easy to coordinate governments on a world-wide basis, especially involving something like money.
We have to keep in mind that an overwhelming majority of normies have difficulties saving/investing up to 10% of their income, so anyone who is able to invest 50% of his income has very high discretionary income and/or has been able to structure his income versus expenses in such a way that he is fortunate to be able to save/invest that much on an ongoing basis.
I frequently suggest that anyone who is able to invest up to a year's income into bitcoin within 4-6 years, may well end up putting himself in a very good place in which he might be able to downwardly adjust the amount that he is putting into bitcoin, yet of course, my own formula suggests that a guy only gets to his threshold fuck you status when his bitcoin's value at the 200-WMA level is worth 10x his targeted income level, and so frequently I use $80k annual income as a targeted entry-level fuck you status, even though we know that around the world, the amount that a guy might feel that he needs to live comfortably is going to differ and also depends on his expectations, too.. including if he might want to upgrade his standard of living.. yet on the other hand, guys might recognize that they can live off of less than their current income as long as they no longer have to work.
Right now I consider the default entry level fuck you status of being able to live off of $80k per year perpetually (and with a 7% increase in the dollar value each year) to require a minimum of 14.8446 BTC. Since the amount of BTC required for that same threshold amount of income of $80k per year is continuing to go down, it seems to me that by the end of 2029 (4 years from now), it is ONLY going to take somewhere between 3.8 BTC to 4.6 BTC in order to sustain that same level of withdrawal rate.
By the way, prior to March 2020, I had been recommending that entry-level fuck you status was achieved at an income of $40k per year; however the events around the crashes and the money printing and the other supply chain and governmental shenanigans at and around that time, caused me to conclude that there was a need to double the default entry-level fuck you status, even though surely I understand, recognize and appreciate that some guys can still feel quite comfortable with a passive income of $40k per year - yet I am trying to appeal to a bit of a higher standard of living, even though surely there are a lot of folks who consider $80k per year to be near poverty level... so there are going to still be differing perspectives in regards to how much is needed and why.. and surely it is different to be a single person versus having a family of 4 to support.
Another thing is that
on March 1, 2020, based no my same formula, and using ONLY a $40k per year income, it would have had taken right around 73.66 BTC to be able to meet that threshold level of income of a sustainable $40k per year, which also factually demonstrates how much with the passage of time, the quantity of BTC required to get to fuck you status continues to go down which also justifies front-loading our investment into bitcoin in order to strive towards stacking earlier rather than later, so that even newer folks into bitcoin who are ONLY stacking bitcoin from their income and they do not have other investments and/or savings, they are still able to make extensive progress in their stacking of bitcoin. I tend to recommend that beginners aim to get somewhere in the ballpark of 5% to 25% of their income invested into bitcoin, yet if they are ready, willing and able to invest at higher rates and still be within their discretionary income and also retain some back up funds, then they would be able to make faster progress in building up their bitcoin stash, as ancafe had mentioned to be such an ambitious goal that some guys might be able to achieve...depending on their circumstances and their likelihood of having (or creating situations of having) high levels of discretionary income.
If a person invests 50% of his income without proper financial management, then it can lead to bad times for him and his portfolio. For example, if a person spends more than 50% of his money on his family expenses, personal expenses, and on top of all these expenses, if he spends more than 50%, then where will he get the rest of the money? Then if his investment keeps falling, then he will have to sell his holdings at a loss. So I think it would be better for a person to invest 50% of his discretionary income or more.
Using even 95% to buy Bitcoin is never a bad idea entirely if it's from your discretionary income, even though it might make your investment looks stressful, but investing as low as 10% of money that is not your discretionary income will brings nothing but troubles to your Bitcoin investment.
So if he is saying that investing 50% of his income in Bitcoin is good, then he is wrong because it will bring nothing but problem to his investment since it's not his discretionary income he is investing with.
So it's not a good practice if you ask me.
You might be correct that ancafe is being reckless, yet it seems to me that he was already attempting to account for his expenses, so there is a bit of an assumption that he would be totally investing into bitcoin from his discretionary income and a bit of an assumption that he is able to get his bitcoin investment to be 50% of his income without investing beyond the amount of his discretionary income. Look at his post. He says cutting his expenses and living at a low standard of living to be able to achieve an ability to invest 50% of his income into bitcoin. Sure, he might be being unrealistic in his ability to ongoingly achieve an investment into bitcoin at 50% of his income, yet we cannot presume that he is a not adequately accounting for his expenses.. even though I agree with everyone in terms of the need to make sure that investing into bitcoin is not including money that is needed for expenses and even attempting to account for accidents in calculation, since it would be better to invest a little bit less aggressively rather than having to end up selling some bitcoin that is not of a time of our choosing based on our being overly aggressive in the deployment of our bitcoin investment levels..
6. Post 65928769 (unedited backup) (by AbuBhakar) (scraped on Thu Oct 16 17:02:31 CEST 2025) in Bitcasino.io 💜 — Slot review 🎰That’s Rich by Play’N GO:
No pain no gain. This 500 choices is surely hard to guess not to mention that there will be a lot of participants on this giveaway that launch on social media.
But this guessing game with lots of choices is much better than question with one answer since there’s a lot bot account on X that participate on this giveaway.
This way we have same fate of guessing the correct number without any assurance that you will dominate the raffle. I like this format.
Just use random.org to pick random numbers... at least that's what I do. Lol
Unless you have a favorite number that you strongly feel about, it's okay to guess that number because you don't know which number will be the winner.
I always participate in the giveaway contests held by Bitcasino.

Nice method. Hassle free on choosing number.
The huge number of free spin will surely attract a lot of participants that will comment a random number.
Bitcasino always have this promotion so I’m curious if anyone in the forum manage to win on any raffle. I become a hunter of this casino giveaway last year but it’s so hard to win even I participate on different casino giveaway regularly.
My wish is for Bitcasino launch their own giveaway like this in the games and round using @bitmover tool. It’s very hard to compete my own luck against X users.

7. Post 65928261 (unedited backup) (by Satofan44) (scraped on Thu Oct 16 14:41:37 CEST 2025) in You weren't "lucky":
There's nothing lucky about watching
a single documentary/video or read a single article about the world's finance system and getting instantly redpilled.
Millions of people have been exposed to Bitcoin and this topic many many times and they still don't get it at all.
We hit bitcoin, but it wasn't the only opportunity around in our time. There were also amazing opportunities like Nvidia apple Microsoft tesla etc... most people here missed all of them, but we got into bitcoin (which is amazing and one of the best assets there is)
There were many opportunities in the stock market indeed, completely different to what Bitcoin offers but nevertheless they were there.
Though I still wonder why many people struggle to break free from this simulation despite realizing that it is a repeated cycle. Nothing seems to make sense, but at the same time, people are scared of moving on. Claiming that Bitcoin was scam was their own justification for not trying out something new.
Read 1984, Animal Farm and Brave New World. We are living in a world that combines different aspects of each book in different magnitudes. Most people have near zero or zero free will. They are as plugged in into the matrix as they could be without actually being in a hardware hibernation capsule. It is a sad state of affairs but it is better to be aware and accepting of reality than to live in some delusion.
8. Post 65927476 (unedited backup) (by Halab) (scraped on Thu Oct 16 10:16:43 CEST 2025) in [Registration] Best Altcoins Portfolio 2025:
STOP THE COUNT !!!

Pos | Users | 15/10/2025 |
1 | Woodie | 3 199,44 |
2 | Halab | 1 268,50 |
3 | internetional | 1 256,55 |
4 | paid2 | 1 249,58 |
5 | GazetaBitcoin | 1 237,05 |
| Bitcoin | 1 106,59 |
6 | sompitonov | 1 086,85 |
7 | LoyceV | 1 022,59 |
8 | ajiz138 | 965,91 |
9 | DireWolfM14 | 812,17 |
10 | memehunter | 781,75 |
11 | examplens | 780,85 |
12 | n0nce | 719,29 |
13 | FinneysTrueVision | 715,52 |
14 | rat03gopoh | 685,03 |
| Average | 684,04 |
15 | B1g4udge | 680,47 |
16 | shahzadafzal | 659,23 |
17 | DYING_S0UL | 656,98 |
18 | GrosWesh | 652,26 |
19 | Smartprofit | 635,97 |
20 | icopress | 582,74 |
21 | LogitechMouse | 540,41 |
22 | Rikafip | 526,70 |
23 | Saint-loup | 518,84 |
24 | Taskford | 507,59 |
25 | SamReomo | 506,36 |
26 | jokers10 | 478,76 |
27 | xandry | 464,92 |
28 | Despairo | 443,71 |
29 | tokeweed | 440,24 |
30 | cryptofrka | 405,35 |
31 | famososMuertos | 401,51 |
32 | bitmover | 360,47 |
33 | worldofcoins | 344,58 |
| Random_but_balanced | 338,86 |
34 | klarki | 327,06 |
35 | libert19 | 324,56 |
36 | Buchi-88 | 254,48 |
37 | arallmuus | 252,06 |
38 | Koal-84 | 249,37 |
39 | xLays | 194,44 |
40 | slackovic | 171,40 |
Line chart race :
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/23486883/LCR without Woodie :
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/24269401/
9. Post 65926398 (unedited backup) (by HajiBagi) (scraped on Thu Oct 16 00:16:43 CEST 2025) in JJG’s Outline of Bitcoin Investment Ideas:
Finding a reasonable balance of investing aggressively without overdoing it takes practice.
I think a good way to measure that is about how you feel.
If you are worried about how much the price goes up or down, problems with sleep etc you are clearly over invested.
You need to invest an amount to keep calm no matter what happens to the price.
I agree with you, one thing we should always remember when buying bitcoin is to know our limit and how capable we are when buying bitcoin. Some people are worried about the market price because of how they trusted in bitcoin without thinking about the market. Bitcoin is not an investment that we can invest in today and start making profit. The reason why some people don't care about how they invest is because they always think about the profit they will make when the price rises.
Many people fail in their bitcoin journey because they lack knowledge and understanding about bitcoin. Even if they do have some understanding, they will try to invest aggressively because of what they will achieve in the end without considering their personal needs. When you invest with the amount you can afford to buy, you will always have peace of mind and be able to hold your bitcoin for a long period of time.
10. Post 65926320 (unedited backup) (by splashed) (scraped on Wed Oct 15 23:51:07 CEST 2025) in splash.tf - instant exchange BTC / ETH / XMR / DAI:
We've implemented this

The scrolling text at the top of the page or the animation of the coin logo is not as disturbing to me as this blinking background with tiny lines. That bothers me a lot. My eyes are pretty worn out.

If you have javascript enabled, it'll save your last visited `anim` state and will redirect you whenever you visit the default domain

11. Post 65925643 (unedited backup) (by JayJuanGee) (scraped on Wed Oct 15 20:48:01 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:
5 years is a long time Jay, and being we're talking about the lackluster performance of Bitcoin this cycle, going back even further just proves the point more.
I doubt that zooming out further supports your case more rather than my case, even though I agree that there are ways that we could spin matters to describe what we would like to argue, and I am not even saying that you are being dingenuine, since you can truly believe what you are saying and seeing in the data.
Sure, it is possible that bitcoin only had the advantage of its early adoption phases, and so in that regard, bitcoin has been outperforming gold due to the advantages of early adoption (starting from a price of zero, etc. etc).
At the same time, I would expect anyone who is actually following bitcoin and trying to appreciate what bitcoin offers are going to recognize and appreciate that bitcoin is far from peaking out as if it were a maturing asset, and instead bitcoin is quite likely going to continue to take market share from gold, even if there might be some bumps in the road and even if gold might have some various momentum advantages that might help it to outperform bitcoin in the short-to-medium term.
I frequently proclaim that when we are deciding to get into bitcoin (or if we are making any additional bitcoin purchases), we need to be considering our bitcoin purchases in terms of 4-10 years or longer, so if we were going to make a bet about bitcoin versus gold, then we can talk in terms of 4-10 years or longer.
Also, in many forum threads we are talking about the dollar/bitcoin pair, so in that sense, much of my analysis are in those kind of frameworks, even though I also consider bitcoin to be amongst the best, if not the best of places to put our money, even though various assets are going to perform different, whether we are referring to gold or properties, or stocks or other places that we might alternatively choose to place our value rather than putting it in bitcoin.
Accordingly, in the diversification, I frequently suggest that guys should not be putting any more than 10% of the size of their bitcoin in gold, and even 10% might be too much.. . .more like 2% to 5% - for the Armagaeddon scenario.. .. but yeah in the end, guys can do what they want, even though I have a bit of conviction that bitcoin is going to continue to eat gold's lunch, I am not sure about how far various gold bugs (and/or dinosaur institutions and/or governments) might stay uninformed and/or irrational on such topic... so in that regard, I am not sure the extent to which I can see a possible bet, except to suggest pumping shitcoins, including gold, is not exactly on topic here, even though at least there are some attempts to make the topic as a bitcoin versus gold comparison.. but what is stopping doing that with any shitcoin, besides the dollar which is our trading pair topic of this thread.
5 years is a long time Jay, and being we're talking about the lackluster performance of Bitcoin this cycle, going back even further just proves the point more.
I see gold as the ultimate hedge against monetary inflation: nothing more, nothing less. In the very long run, I'd expect Bitcoin to keep up with inflation: it simply can't keep going up in value indefinitely.
It's going up forever, Loyce.
I know, I am so original.But I must say I'm surprised to see Bitcoin more or less reached that point (against gold) for the past 5 years now. I'd say it's far too early for this, and I still expect Bitcoin to outperform gold for many years to come.
Holy fucking shit.
You are accepting that 5 years framework, too? If we go with a 5 year framework, then more or less we are picking bitcoin's peak of the 2021 bull run, more or less, and then claiming that such price movements are representative of bitcoin prices (market cap) versus gold?
I have my doubts picking bitcoin's previous top as our starting point for our measuring period, and similar if we were to go from the 2017 bitcoin price peak, and we were to proclaim that bitcoin has not gone up very much since 2017 as compared with gold.
There are probably ways to compare gold's 200-WMA to bitcoin's but I don't have the gold data (and I don't want to do the homework), even looking at AI... the 200-WMA in gold might have doubled in the past 5 years.
At the same time, bitcoin's 200-WMA has gone up nearly x in the past 5 years (from
$6,853 in October 2020 to $53,850
1. This cycle is over
2. The earth is flat
3. Bitcoin doesn't care
4. All of the above
Cats and dogs living together in harmony.
Another all time high today for Gold.
Dow, S&P500, NASDAQ all up after open today.
Come on Bitcoin FFS.
A watched pot never boils.
12. Post 65924879 (unedited backup) (by kotajikikox) (scraped on Wed Oct 15 17:25:55 CEST 2025) in We're experiencing the least volatile Bitcoin bull market ever.:
Unfortunately lots of people do not think this way. This is what separates those with good financial assessments. Yes it is risky to buy assets during moments where the market is down but if you can see its potential in the long term then you can be one of the few ones to benefit from the downturn of a market.
13. Post 65924563 (unedited backup) (by Wapfika) (scraped on Wed Oct 15 15:55:19 CEST 2025) in 👑🏆👑BITZ.io Cryptocasino| 5 BTC Daily withdrawal | $1.5kk lvl up reward 👑🏆👑:
Hey I am impressed. I bet 0.3 USD (from daily faucets) and won 4.25! In piggy coins!

Unfortunately it is not eligible for the slot multiplier contest, as I didn't make a deposit! But I am very happy with the result!
Maybe it’s possible to still qualify using this multiplier if you will deposit before the contest ends since there’s no rules stated that you need to deposit first before you make a spin.
I’m surprised that you turn a dust amount from faucet to a 4.25$ win on a slot games. What a lucky spin you’ve got here.
Do the faucet rewards doesn’t come with wagering requirements?
14. Post 65924541 (unedited backup) (by Bitz_Casino) (scraped on Wed Oct 15 15:49:13 CEST 2025) in 👑🏆👑BITZ.io Cryptocasino| 5 BTC Daily withdrawal | $1.5kk lvl up reward 👑🏆👑:
Hey I am impressed. I bet 0.3 USD (from daily faucets) and won 4.25! In piggy coins!

Congrats on your winnings! Wish you luck for the future

15. Post 65924018 (unedited backup) (by Lafu) (scraped on Wed Oct 15 12:51:01 CEST 2025) in Die Default Trust wurde geändert ! :
Nun habe ich auch mal endlich die Zeit gefunden das Update von theymos bezüglich der Default Trust 1 Liste hier zu schreiben für den Monat Oktober !Bin momentan zwar stiller Leser und habe viel zu tun im Real Life also habt bitte ein Nachsehen mit mir

Für Oktober waren 116 Benutzer berechtigt dafür in die Default Trust 1 Liste.
Original Beitrag von theymos :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117330.msg65868994#msg65868994Alte Default Trust 1 Liste :theymos
HostFat
gmaxwell
Vod
vapourminer
Foxpup
philipma1957
babo
Cyrus
Welsh
joker_josue
Mitchell
wwzsocki
jeremypwr
gbianchi
EFS
dbshck
hybridsole
stompix
buckrogers
Buchi-88
willi9974
JayJuanGee
NeuroticFish
achow101
DaveF
examplens
nutildah
yahoo62278
bitbollo
zazarb
LFC_Bitcoin
o_solo_miner
mocacinno
Real-Duke
klarki
LoyceV
The Sceptical Chymist
TryNinja
BitcoinGirl.Club
ekiller
condoras
holydarkness
Lafu
polymerbit
tweetious
giammangiato
buwaytress
crwth
Kryptowerk
Vispilio
imhoneer
hosemary
krogothmanhattan
JollyGood
RaltcoinsB
roycilik
hugeblack
El duderino_
KTChampions
Trofo
icopress
sheenshane
logfiles
Bitcoin_Arena
MinoRaiola
GazetaBitcoin
tvplus006
coinlocket$
mole0815
bitmover
DdmrDdmr
shahzadafzal
anonymousminer
Lakai01
morvillz7z
Husna QA
Bthd
cryptofrka
abhiseshakana
madnessteat
The Cryptovator
DireWolfM14
notblox1
1miau
Little Mouse
YOSHIE
inspace
Awaklara
efialtis
Rikafip
Etranger
Stalker22
bullrun2024bro
Charles-Tim
Lillominato89
Free Market Capitalist
YodasRedRocket
PowerGlove
God Of Thunder
Neue Default Trust 1 Liste :theymos
HostFat
gmaxwell
OgNasty
vapourminer
mprep
Foxpup
philipma1957
babo
Cyrus
Welsh
d5000
joker_josue
Pmalek
Mitchell
wwzsocki
Timelord2067
jeremypwr
gbianchi
EFS
dbshck
stompix
hilariousandco
EcuaMobi
buckrogers
willi9974
JayJuanGee
NeuroticFish
achow101
examplens
minerjones
yahoo62278
bitbollo
pooya87
Real-Duke
klarki
LoyceV
The Sceptical Chymist
SFR10
TryNinja
condoras
holydarkness
Lafu
tweetious
giammangiato
buwaytress
crwth
Ale88
Kryptowerk
Vispilio
hosemary
krogothmanhattan
JollyGood
RaltcoinsB
roycilik
CryptopreneurBrainboss
hugeblack
El duderino_
KTChampions
Trofo
icopress
sheenshane
Bitcoin_Arena
GazetaBitcoin
TheBeardedBaby
tvplus006
coinlocket$
mole0815
bitmover
DdmrDdmr
shahzadafzal
anonymousminer
Lakai01
morvillz7z
Husna QA
Bthd
fillippone
abhiseshakana
madnessteat
The Cryptovator
lovesmayfamilis
DireWolfM14
notblox1
YOSHIE
inspace
jokers10
Awaklara
efialtis
zasad@
Rikafip
Etranger
NotATether
Stalker22
Charles-Tim
Lillominato89
Free Market Capitalist
YodasRedRocket
PowerGlove
God Of Thunder
apogio
Wieder mit dabei bei der Default Trust 1 Liste sind : efialtis , Lakai01 , mole0815 , Kryptowerk , Real-Duke , willi9974 , d5000 und meine wenigkeit.
Wie ich mich kenne habe ich mit Sicherheit wieder jemanden vergessen in der Liste , aber hoffe das es nicht der Fall ist.
Hier das genaue Update von LoyceV !
16. Post 65923912 (unedited backup) (by splashed) (scraped on Wed Oct 15 12:14:56 CEST 2025) in splash.tf - instant exchange BTC / ETH / XMR / DAI:
You can just save in browser local localStorage (
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Window/localStorage) such kind of preference for users (for example, when the user clicks to turn off the animation, it could set the
localStorage.setItem("Animation", "false"), making such the default behavior when pages reloads.
BUt personally, i like the animation
We don't use javascript on our sites, but we'll maybe add this little script
This shouldn't cause any issues, that's for the suggestion!
17. Post 65923598 (unedited backup) (by iv4n) (scraped on Wed Oct 15 10:30:44 CEST 2025) in 👑🏆👑BITZ.io Cryptocasino| 5 BTC Daily withdrawal | $1.5kk lvl up reward 👑🏆👑:
I like when things go smoothly... My first try here is far from smooth. Instead of playing & having fun, I am struggling with support for 20 minutes.
Hello. Typically, when it comes to cryptocurrency transactions, crediting takes place almost instantly. Perhaps this time the payment system was a little late, which happens extremely rarely. In any case, you can always write to technical support on the website or in telegram to speed up the processhttps://t.me/BitzTalkEn
Well, the same thing happened to me last night. I had to contact support again, but luckily everything went much faster, and I didn't wait too long for my deposit to be credited.
So deposits with Solana are slow, but the withdrawal was pretty quick... always nice to see that. Maybe I should try some other coins... I will think about it.
Hey I am impressed. I bet 0.3 USD (from daily faucets) and won 4.25! In piggy coins!
...
Unfortunately it is not eligible for the slot multiplier contest, as I didn't make a deposit! But I am very happy with the result!
/quote]
Maybe the universe is trying to tell you it's time to jump in.

18. Post 65923319 (unedited backup) (by hugeblack) (scraped on Wed Oct 15 08:31:26 CEST 2025) in Buying used btc wallets:
@OP You have to be careful. scammers will try to contact you. Try to add more details such as wallet activity, first deposit date and transfer amounts.
He is trying to prove he owns bitcoin from 10 years ago, i.e, he wants to clean up his money (or his bitcoin).
It may be for tax reasons, calming an airdrop, or to prove a history of service by placing the address as a donation address.
19. Post 65923297 (unedited backup) (by JayJuanGee) (scraped on Wed Oct 15 08:20:19 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:
Yeah having 1000 btc would call for some diversity in assets.
10=1.1million
100=11 million
1000=110 million
I would want about 5 keys of gold this is about 600,000
I would want around 25 keys of silver this is about 40,000
I would want actual cash euros pounds usd i would want 300000 in each currency
I would want 3 homes one not in the usa 2 in the usa. This would be around 3million
So all of the above would,be around 4 million or 40 coins i would keep the other 960 coins in multiple wallets
Where is the real estate? One needs things that have cashflow not solely rely on value retentation or appreciation.
If a guy had nothing except the assets that Phil described, then he could still get a cashflow
from his 960 bitcoin, and I personally believe that he could withdraw the equivalent of more than $5.17 million per year and even give himself a 7% per year raise, and he would never deplete his bitcoin (of course, he could monitor his withdrawal rate to make sure that he does not overdo it), yet that more conservative withdrawal rate could be choosing to ONLY withdraw between $1 million and $5 million per year rather than the full authorized amount of $5.17 million per year.
20. Post 65922898 (unedited backup) (by alegotardo) (scraped on Wed Oct 15 02:59:13 CEST 2025) in CAMPANHAS DE ASSINATURAS ATUALIZADAS:
$10 por semana?

Francamente... isso é quase ofensivo.
Eu não diria que é ofensivo. Afinal, alugar um espaço da assinatura para postar é um privilégio.
Mas, eu diria que é um tiro no pé de todos nós existir uma campanha desse tipo, nenhum manager deveria aceitar.[/quote]
De fato, mas imagina comigo... quem vai sair perdendo mais ainda é o próprio financiador dessa campanha, pois tu acha que eles vão encontrar gente competente para carregar a assinatura deles por uma mixaria dessas?
Quem valoriza seu tempo vai preferir fazer outra coisa do que se dedicar ao fórum para ganhar apenas isso. Então os que se candidatarem serão aqueles que não conseguiram vagas em outras campanhas devido a má qualidade de suas postagens, e mesmo que encontre alguém bem qualificado, qual é as chances/incentivo dele fazer uma postagem de qualidade? praticamente nenhuma.
É aquele ditado: o barato que sai caro. Se não tem dinheiro pra investir em marketing de qualidade, é melhor nem rasgar dinheiro à toa.
21. Post 65922725 (unedited backup) (by notblox1) (scraped on Wed Oct 15 01:08:01 CEST 2025) in l0tt0.com:
Hey dewes, where is our update?

This is just dewez doing usual dewez things

I gave him extra days and he wasted all of them and than added few more days on top.
But we are not in any real hurry guys, and maybe dewez will treat us again with some nice bonuses in accounts for new release.
22. Post 65922688 (unedited backup) (by dewez) (scraped on Wed Oct 15 00:51:19 CEST 2025) in l0tt0.com:
Hey dewes, where is our update?

I am eager to try the new reward system.
I am already used to the games available, I think I can have some fun and receive some rewards
I think most casinos have too complicated system, way too many games... Things are complex.
I like the relatively simple system of l0tt0.com!
okay.. little behind schedule, but its done. we're testing it and will launch in the morning when everyone is fresh and we have the whole day to watch for anything that might pop up. i will post in the morning when launched.
Josh
23. Post 65922467 (unedited backup) (by joker_josue) (scraped on Tue Oct 14 23:27:19 CEST 2025) in CAMPANHAS DE ASSINATURAS ATUALIZADAS:
Concordo, eu penso, com muita ingenuidade, que seria uma campanha de teste pois os fundos estão guardados pelo gerente por 4 semanas pelo que vi. Então tudo indica que seja um teste
Por esse valor duvido que seja um grande teste.
Isso é o mesmo querer testar o Google Ad, colocar 50$/mês em vez de 500$/mês. Não testa nada, só gasta dinheiro.
Até pode haver um ou outro caso de sucesso, mas será difícil, principalmente num mercado tão competitivo como os dos bets.
Mas, eu diria que é um tiro no pé de todos nós existir uma campanha desse tipo, nenhum manager deveria aceitar.
Sim, é um pouco por aí.
Mas, podemos pensar naquela de que foi o gerente que andou atras desse serviço a tentar convencer.
Eles lá deram um pequeno plafon para testar. Talvez o gerente seja "bom o suficiente" para obter os dados que quer apresentar e alavancar a campanha. Mas, acho difícil. Veremos durante as próximas semanas.
24. Post 65922124 (unedited backup) (by LoyceV) (scraped on Tue Oct 14 21:55:19 CEST 2025) in List of all Bitcoin addresses with a balance:
It shows how much people are really seeking privacy
I like to think people are using this list to get balances of all their addresses in a private way without downloading the full blockchain, but I think it's much more likely the majority is trying to "hack" those Bitcoin addresses. They can try!
I never thought your service would have so many downloads per day.
Me neither. It makes me think it's mostly bots running a daily update.
25. Post 65921224 (unedited backup) (by Rikafip) (scraped on Tue Oct 14 17:51:02 CEST 2025) in Opinion on paper wallets:
If you are asking, it isn't a good idea in your situation.
Wanted to say exactly the same thing, because chances that someone new to crypto will make a proper paper wallet are not good, and hardware wallets are cheap nowadays.
What he can still do is to make paper wallet nevertheless, but not use it as a main store, but more for sort of testing purpose.
26. Post 65920666 (unedited backup) (by TheBeardedBaby) (scraped on Tue Oct 14 15:08:44 CEST 2025) in [CLUB] The SpamBusters! Busting rule-breakers constantly.:
Balance:

The SpamBuster's Club
SPAM is everywhere, lets try to clean the forum together. I see many people reporting quietly alone, let's joint forces and help each other. Many have turned the forum in a money-making machine, this is not bad in the first place but abusing the possibilities this forum is giving to you is a bad thing.
Rules:First Do not expect any reward (including merit) by joining our club, it's on a voluntary basis.
Second If you are willing to help and have 300+
good reports and access to your report history you can join*.
Third All you need to do is to dedicate some of your free time to the the cause and REPORT THE FUCKERS!!!
(*)- to avoid eventual abuse, I will review the applications and decide who will be included.
WE NO LONGER REPORT USING THE FOLLOWING TEMPLATE BELOW.THE SPAM STRUCTURE HAVE CHANGED. CHECK THE LAST POSTS. IF THERE IS A NEED I WILL REOPEN IT
Side note: If you have
no experience in reporting, that's OK. Read this marvelous piece of work -
[Guide] Reporting effectively written by our fellow Moderator
Welsh In addition to it you can throw one eye on my work here :
[Guide]How to detect rule-breakers.Techniques and tips.When you reach 300 good reports, just apply here, will find work for you
What is the idea and how is working? Our fellow member
LoyceV will can drop some accounts for manual review here, and we can divide the job in between our members and check them. We are looking mostly for spammers/bots.
You have to decide by yourself if the user is a spammer-bot and deserve reporting or not.
- You need to be accepted member in order to report the listed accounts. If you are not a member, don't waste your time, no need for duplicate reports and extra work for the mods.
- You reserve a range of accounts and you need to go trough their post history.
- If you spot a potential spammer use the report to moderator use the Welsh's guide as reference if you are uncertain*.
- If you see a spammer bumping few times same threads you can further investigate the Ann threads for eventual incentivizing people to post. [/i]
- When you are done with all the accounts, update your status to Done.
*Will clarify this later.
Format to reserve a range of accounts.
[i][b]User: [/b][/i] [b]>your username<[/b]
[i][b]Case: [/b][/i]
[i][b]From/to: [/b][/i]
[i][b]Status: [/b][/i]
Description:
Case : Use the Ann thread title
1 or key word
2 for each case.
Examples:
1 "[ANN][ECA] Electra ⚡ | POW/POS | NIST5 | Super Rewards Bonanza" / can be shorten to Case: Electra
2 "Good Project "
From/to: as LoyceV list them with numbers everyone can reserve a group of account for review, like I take 1/50
you take 51/100, and so on. There will be no minimum/ max account*, it's up to everyone's time and will, also no deadline, it's up to you.
* I will reconsider to put a max limit, just to be able to spread the work between more members.
Status: When you report you use the "Report to Moderator" button. When you have been trough the whole list, just update you report with
Done.
Done/Working on/On hold.On hold, I think is almost unnecessary but if you are away for more then 2-3 weeks someone can take over the accounts for you.
NOTE : I'll start adding new members as soon as everything is ready.
How to participate: I will list the Ann threads like this > _______________________________________ | ______________ | _____________ | _____ |
CASE: Ann thread,Key words Other | | Total accounts | | Available from | | Status |
ULTRIX COIN PLATFORM | 2751 | 51 | OPEN |
You reserve a range of accounts like this > User: TheBeardedBaby
Case: ULTRIX COIN PLATFORM
From/to: 1/50
Status: Working on
Club Members: 1.
TheBeardedBaby 2.
LoyceV3.
Welsh4.
suchmoon5.
DarkStar_6.
xtraelv7.
mdayonliner8.
Jet Cash9.
stompix10.
seoincorporation11.
digaran12.
Silent2613.
Lafu14.
Heisenberg_Hunter15.
LogitechMouse 16.
wwzsocki17.
buyinbtc18.
bitart19.
theyoungmillionaire
Old OP archived for reference. For all the tables and lists here I'm using Signaturion - forum signature interactive editor. by
axicronLINKS AND TOOLS : Link to suspicious ANN Threads: Tool for detecting HomographsVod's BTT Public Information Project - bpip.org
Current Cases: Case 1 . ULTRIX COIN PLATFORM _______________________________________ | ______________ | _____________ | _____ |
CASE: Ann thread,Key words Other | | Total accounts | | Available from | | Status |
ULTRIX COIN PLATFORM | 2751 | 701 | OPEN |
Account lists (provided by LoyceV, thanks)> 1-600,
601-1200,
1201-1800,
1801-2400,
2400-2751Working on the case : User: iasenkoUser: bitmoverUser: HeisenbergUser: mdayonliner
Case 2 Vanig.io The Future of Shopping _______________________________________ | ______________ | _____________ | _____ |
CASE: Ann thread,Key words Other | | Total accounts | | Available from | | Status |
Vanig.io | 91 | 1 | OPEN |
Extra Info > Few accounts bumping the same thread.
Account lists (provided by me), 1-91
Working on the case :
Case 3 Haiku bots
_______________________________________ | ______________ | _____________ | _____ |
CASE: Ann thread,Key words Other | | Total accounts | | Available from | | Status |
Part 1, keyword > apperceptive | 601 | - | DONE |
Extra Info > Accounts posting not so common words (see keyword), I've posted the raw data, including quotes, so if you see theymos on the list don't be surprised. Requested by Suchmoon
Account lists (provided by me), 1-400 , 401-601
Working on the case :
User: suchmoon
_______________________________________ | ______________ | _____________ | _____ |
CASE: Ann thread,Key words Other | | Total accounts | | Available from | | Status |
Part 2, keyword > cerebral | 250 | - | DONE |
Extra Info > Accounts posting not so common words (see keyword), I've posted the raw data, including quotes, so if you see theymos on the list don't be surprised. Requested by Suchmoon
Account lists (provided by me), 1-250 ,
Working on the case :
User: suchmoon
_______________________________________ | ______________ | _____________ | _____ |
CASE: Ann thread,Key words Other | | Total accounts | | Available from | | Status |
Part 3, keyword > conversant | 545 | - | DONE |
Extra Info > Accounts posting not so common words (see keyword), I've posted the raw data, including quotes, so if you see theymos on the list don't be surprised. Requested by Suchmoon
Account lists (provided by me), 1-400 , 401-545
Working on the case :
User: suchmoon
User: Lafu
_______________________________________ | ______________ | _____________ | _____ |
CASE: Ann thread,Key words Other | | Total accounts | | Available from | | Status |
Part 4, keyword > impeccable | 578 | - | DONE |
Extra Info > Accounts posting not so common words (see keyword), I've posted the raw data, including quotes, so if you see theymos on the list don't be surprised. Requested by Suchmoon
Account lists (provided by me), 1-400 , 401-578
Working on the case :
User: Lafu
_______________________________________ | ______________ | _____________ | _____ |
CASE: Ann thread,Key words Other | | Total accounts | | Available from | | Status |
Part 5, keyword > impeccably | 717 | - | DONE |
Extra Info > Accounts posting not so common words (see keyword), I've posted the raw data, including quotes, so if you see theymos on the list don't be surprised. Requested by Suchmoon
Account lists (provided by me), 1-400 , 401-717
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27. Post 65919536 (unedited backup) (by joker_josue) (scraped on Tue Oct 14 08:34:31 CEST 2025) in "Não acreditamos [no BTC... mas vamos negociar BTC]...":
Se nao me engano, a coinbase custodia de alguns etf (talvez ate a blackrock mas nao tenho certeza)
Em março 2024, a Coinbase dizia fazer custodia de 8 dos 11 fundos ETFs que operavam no mercado:
https://www.coinbase.com/pt-pt/blog/how-we-keep-digital-assets-safeTendo em conta que hoje, existe mais fundos a operar, esse numero quase de certeza que aumentou.
Muito provavelmente as maiores empresas deverão trabalhar com a Coinbase.
28. Post 65919252 (unedited backup) (by JayJuanGee) (scraped on Tue Oct 14 05:19:37 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:
This recovery has been pretty powerful. Moreso than I expected if we are being honest. The last time Binance cleared out market leverage like this was the drop to $80K, and a few weeks later we were at $110K, so I could see the is latest move leading to a run up to $130K. At that point I would probably go back to recommending people consider profit taking for any necessary funds they may need over the next 4 years…
Does that mean the price of Bitcoin will start going dip after hitting $130k?
This might be your personal opinion about the market and I don't think price will fall after $130k all time high. I am longing to see the price of Bitcoin at $180k or $200k before any dip sight. It's good we ought to be smart and conscious but I don't think the market will fall so easily.
I think we are running out of time to hit $200K. I’d be surprised at this point if we went above $170K. I like surprises, but I’m not holding my breath. $140K seems like a good target before the fall.
Starship is about to take flight. Last launch of the year and last launch of the version 2 rocket. Next year we’ll see a bigger more powerful rocket take to the skies.
https://www.spacex.com/launches/starship-flight-11Hopefully for your own good, you do not end up selling too much too soon due to your "smartness."
In some sense, I get your point about not being overly reliant on UP, so in that regard, I am sure a lot of guys will be crying if the top already happens to be in and/or if the most that we get for this cycle is in the ballpark of $130k to $150k.. yet at the same time, we have to be prepared financially and psychologically for a variety of scenarios, including that if there is no blow off top, then it seems more difficult (not impossible) to get as much of an outrageous correction... so even though I recognize that
right now, the 200-WMA is ONLY at $53.753, for shits and giggles, I am still willing to bet that we never go below $80k again, for any takers who might be out there.
Anyone?
Anyone?
I’m not going take the bet but if your correct I could retire right now. I’m still in +/- 20% of 200wma camp for bottom now though so my low is sitting at ~43k. This might be bet you don’t to take it’s risky in my eyes.
There is nothing wrong with being conservative in your attempts at your own management of your bitcoin holdings, including the likelihood that you don't want to get overly excited by having expectations that are way too high.
I can understand that.
At the same time, so far in bitcoin's history, the 200-WMA continues to move up, and historically, whenever we ended up hitting the 200-WMA with the price, it tended to be 6 months or longer after the ATH, and those ATH's had tended to be several multiples higher than the 200-WMA by the time that the ATH was in, so in 2017 the high spot price was around 14x higher than the 200-WMA and in late 2021, the high was around 4x higher than the 200-WMA (the early 2021 price was around 4.5x higher than the 200-WMA).
Another thing is that the BTC price did not tend to go below the 200-WMA, except for flash crash situations, except for the period between June 2022 until October 2023, in which we spent a lot of time below the 200-WMA while the 200-WMA moved from $22k at the beginning of that 16 month period and ended slightly higher than $27k at the end of that 16 month period, and of course the worst of the BTC prices ended up being right around 35% lower than the 200-WMA in November 2022.
This cycle, so far, we have not had BTC prices that have gotten much higher than 2.5x higher than the 200-WMA... so the top has not been so extreme to justify as great of a correction, even though surely shenanigans can happen, so I am not ruling out great levels of correction, even though it seems a bit improbable to be expecting those levels of correction - especially guys selling and expecting to be able to buy back at those kinds of low prices.
It is probably healthy for you to not let your expectations get to high, but you still have to calculate that the 200-WMA is a moving target, and in order to have 20% below the 200-WMA to equal $43k-ish, you have to go with today's 200-WMA, and do you really think that the odds are very good that the BTC price would go shooting straight down within a very short period of time in order to make that 20% below the 200-WMA as feasible? You are describing a quite outrageous scenario, even though surely I still have buy orders down to about $32k. .so yeah, maybe yu could refer to me as a bit overprotective, too.. I just hate running out of money when the price goes shooting down
I might even be willing to give you odds on anything below $53k... even though my current outstanding proposal for a 50/50 bet is that the price is never going below $80k, and I would probably like consession that I had won the bet if the BTC price goes above $300k before the end of 2027. .
On the uppity side which way prefer to think about I remember proclaiming I would be happy with 138k cycle top, ofc would be happier with higher but hey let’s see what happens

Sure, any of us would agree that higher is better, and $138k is surely not unreasonable as a top for this cycle. I am going to stick with my expectation of $180k even though it is seeming a bit pie in the sky in recent times, but I am not expecting that the cycle top has to happen during the 2025 calendar year.
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I will be happy if we are over 120k on Jan 1. yeah 130 or 150 or 200 would be nicer
I can not cash in large amounts this year due to tax issues so I have to wait tll Jan 1 or later.
I need to cash at least 35k in coin next year to cover expenses.
And the extra income will hurt me tax wise if I do that this year.
You feeling lucky
, punk?
I had to throw that in there.

29. Post 65919212 (unedited backup) (by philipma1957) (scraped on Tue Oct 14 04:28:19 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:
This recovery has been pretty powerful. Moreso than I expected if we are being honest. The last time Binance cleared out market leverage like this was the drop to $80K, and a few weeks later we were at $110K, so I could see the is latest move leading to a run up to $130K. At that point I would probably go back to recommending people consider profit taking for any necessary funds they may need over the next 4 years…
Does that mean the price of Bitcoin will start going dip after hitting $130k?
This might be your personal opinion about the market and I don't think price will fall after $130k all time high. I am longing to see the price of Bitcoin at $180k or $200k before any dip sight. It's good we ought to be smart and conscious but I don't think the market will fall so easily.
I think we are running out of time to hit $200K. I’d be surprised at this point if we went above $170K. I like surprises, but I’m not holding my breath. $140K seems like a good target before the fall.
Starship is about to take flight. Last launch of the year and last launch of the version 2 rocket. Next year we’ll see a bigger more powerful rocket take to the skies.
https://www.spacex.com/launches/starship-flight-11Hopefully for your own good, you do not end up selling too much too soon due to your "smartness."
In some sense, I get your point about not being overly reliant on UP, so in that regard, I am sure a lot of guys will be crying if the top already happens to be in and/or if the most that we get for this cycle is in the ballpark of $130k to $150k.. yet at the same time, we have to be prepared financially and psychologically for a variety of scenarios, including that if there is no blow off top, then it seems more difficult (not impossible) to get as much of an outrageous correction... so even though I recognize that
right now, the 200-WMA is ONLY at $53.753, for shits and giggles, I am still willing to bet that we never go below $80k again, for any takers who might be out there.
Anyone?
Anyone?
I’m not going take the bet but if your correct I could retire right now. I’m still in +/- 20% of 200wma camp for bottom now though so my low is sitting at ~43k. This might be bet you don’t to take it’s risky in my eyes.
On the uppity side which way prefer to think about I remember proclaiming I would be happy with 138k cycle top, ofc would be happier with higher but hey let’s see what happens

I will be happy if we are over 120k on Jan 1. yeah 130 or 150 or 200 would be nicer
I can not cash in large amounts this year due to tax issues so I have to wait tll Jan 1 or later.
I need to cash at least 35k in coin next year to cover expenses.
And the extra income will hurt me tax wise if I do that this year.
30. Post 65919204 (unedited backup) (by Greyhats) (scraped on Tue Oct 14 04:22:02 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:
This recovery has been pretty powerful. Moreso than I expected if we are being honest. The last time Binance cleared out market leverage like this was the drop to $80K, and a few weeks later we were at $110K, so I could see the is latest move leading to a run up to $130K. At that point I would probably go back to recommending people consider profit taking for any necessary funds they may need over the next 4 years…
Does that mean the price of Bitcoin will start going dip after hitting $130k?
This might be your personal opinion about the market and I don't think price will fall after $130k all time high. I am longing to see the price of Bitcoin at $180k or $200k before any dip sight. It's good we ought to be smart and conscious but I don't think the market will fall so easily.
I think we are running out of time to hit $200K. I’d be surprised at this point if we went above $170K. I like surprises, but I’m not holding my breath. $140K seems like a good target before the fall.
Starship is about to take flight. Last launch of the year and last launch of the version 2 rocket. Next year we’ll see a bigger more powerful rocket take to the skies.
https://www.spacex.com/launches/starship-flight-11Hopefully for your own good, you do not end up selling too much too soon due to your "smartness."
In some sense, I get your point about not being overly reliant on UP, so in that regard, I am sure a lot of guys will be crying if the top already happens to be in and/or if the most that we get for this cycle is in the ballpark of $130k to $150k.. yet at the same time, we have to be prepared financially and psychologically for a variety of scenarios, including that if there is no blow off top, then it seems more difficult (not impossible) to get as much of an outrageous correction... so even though I recognize that
right now, the 200-WMA is ONLY at $53.753, for shits and giggles, I am still willing to bet that we never go below $80k again, for any takers who might be out there.
Anyone?
Anyone?
I’m not going take the bet but if your correct I could retire right now. I’m still in +/- 20% of 200wma camp for bottom now though so my low is sitting at ~43k. This might be bet you don’t to take it’s risky in my eyes.
On the uppity side which way prefer to think about I remember proclaiming I would be happy with 138k cycle top, ofc would be happier with higher but hey let’s see what happens

31. Post 65918960 (unedited backup) (by JayJuanGee) (scraped on Tue Oct 14 01:05:20 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:
This recovery has been pretty powerful. Moreso than I expected if we are being honest. The last time Binance cleared out market leverage like this was the drop to $80K, and a few weeks later we were at $110K, so I could see the is latest move leading to a run up to $130K. At that point I would probably go back to recommending people consider profit taking for any necessary funds they may need over the next 4 years…
Does that mean the price of Bitcoin will start going dip after hitting $130k?
This might be your personal opinion about the market and I don't think price will fall after $130k all time high. I am longing to see the price of Bitcoin at $180k or $200k before any dip sight. It's good we ought to be smart and conscious but I don't think the market will fall so easily.
I think we are running out of time to hit $200K. I’d be surprised at this point if we went above $170K. I like surprises, but I’m not holding my breath. $140K seems like a good target before the fall.
Starship is about to take flight. Last launch of the year and last launch of the version 2 rocket. Next year we’ll see a bigger more powerful rocket take to the skies.
https://www.spacex.com/launches/starship-flight-11 Hopefully for your own good, you do not end up selling too much too soon due to your "smartness."
In some sense, I get your point about not being overly reliant on UP, so in that regard, I am sure a lot of guys will be crying if the top already happens to be in and/or if the most that we get for this cycle is in the ballpark of $130k to $150k.. yet at the same time, we have to be prepared financially and psychologically for a variety of scenarios, including that if there is no blow off top, then it seems more difficult (not impossible) to get as much of an outrageous correction... so even though I recognize that
right now, the 200-WMA is ONLY at $53.753, for shits and giggles, I am still willing to bet that we never go below $80k again, for any takers who might be out there.
Anyone?
Anyone?
32. Post 65918858 (unedited backup) (by Forsyth Jones) (scraped on Tue Oct 14 00:27:55 CEST 2025) in Lizex.io 4,997.4151 USDT deposit confirmation:
I believe Royse , as the escrow, will make decisions over the dispute.
But this is a public forum and anyone can open a topic about the situation.
There are so many exit scam around... A third-party escrow is always welcome. This gives an extra layer of security until ~5kUSD. This is pretty good imo.
I believe this is the new standard for avoiding or reducing the chances of a crypto swap service engaging in exit scams.
When I see a service that provides momentary custody (like an instant exchange) by making a third-party escrow with a highly reputable forum member or using a trustworthy campaign manager, it already improves my credibility with the service, making it a great first impression.
33. Post 65918750 (unedited backup) (by Zoomic) (scraped on Mon Oct 13 23:50:55 CEST 2025) in Lizex.io 4,997.4151 USDT deposit confirmation:
Who makes the decision as to what is the fault of lizex (customer gets refund) or customer error (no refund)
Just you or you and them or will there be as happens a lot a lively discussion here on the forum?
Just my view but business common sense is good, but without knowing who is making the decision it's a bit vague.
-Dave
I believe Royse , as the escrow, will make decisions over the dispute.
But this is a public forum and anyone can open a topic about the situation.
There are so many exit scam around... A third-party escrow is always welcome. This gives an extra layer of security until ~5kUSD. This is pretty good imo.
I also believe that Royse will make decisions on this, but if the case becomes too controversial for him to handle, he could simply open a thread in the reputation board.
I understand why you are asking because it's possible for random newbies who know there's an escrow to start laying unnecessary claims.
34. Post 65917798 (unedited backup) (by joker_josue) (scraped on Mon Oct 13 19:22:01 CEST 2025) in Bisq easy, versão mobile da Dex já disponível (somente para Android).:
Mas ordens de 500 a 2000 EURO são fechadas em poucas horas. Pra mim isso são valores grandes. Mas para algumas pessoas isso pode ser um valor irrisório.
Estava a falar em valores de 100 ou 200.
Pelo menos na altura que eu testei, era difícil encontrar um trade nessa casa de valores, pela forma de troca escolhida (que seria a minimamente mais segura).
Talvez volte a dar uma vista de olhos.
35. Post 65917522 (unedited backup) (by Sim_card) (scraped on Mon Oct 13 18:23:49 CEST 2025) in JJG’s Outline of Bitcoin Investment Ideas:
Finding a reasonable balance of investing aggressively without overdoing it takes practice.
I think a good way to measure that is about how you feel.
If you are worried about how much the price goes up or down, problems with sleep etc you are clearly over invested.
You need to invest an amount to keep calm no matter what happens to the price.
Exactly, when you invest within your discretionary income and don't invest beyond your discretionary income, you will not have any cause for alarm or have a sleepless night because you did not use money for other important things to invest over aggressively.
This is why you need to recheck your discretionary income and how much that you want to use from it to invest aggressively should be properly calculated and look into your needs at that moment if it wouldn't affect should in case you want to increase your initial DCA amount within your discretionary for aggressively buying. When you lack financial management and didn't put all these into considerations, you might end up overdoing it and that will affect your bitcoin investment and your emotions too.
36. Post 65916911 (unedited backup) (by sabotag3x) (scraped on Mon Oct 13 16:05:01 CEST 2025) in "Não acreditamos [no BTC... mas vamos negociar BTC]...":
eles não estão arriscando nada.
Tem o risco do CEO mover as moedas sem olhar o que está mostrando na Ledger

37. Post 65916717 (unedited backup) (by Prancheiro) (scraped on Mon Oct 13 15:16:49 CEST 2025) in Luxemburgo é o primeiro país da zona do Euro a ter reservas em Bitcoin:
Eles não compraram diretamente Bitcoin, compraram ETFs de Bitcoin.
Acho que essa é a maior vantagem dos ETF.
Talvez seja muito complexo aprovar, dentro do governo, um sistema que permita ao tesouro do país comprar bitcoin diretamente.
Mas comprar um ETF é algo muito mais simples, tanto do ponto de vista prático quanto legal.
Isso também está permitindo muitos fundos de pensão entrarem no bitcoin e em outras criptomoedas.
Imagina um país decidindo qual a forma de custódia será usada para guardar os BTCs. Sem chance!
A não ser que terceirizem para uma custodiante tipo Xapo.
38. Post 65915391 (unedited backup) (by joker_josue) (scraped on Mon Oct 13 08:55:07 CEST 2025) in Bisq easy, versão mobile da Dex já disponível (somente para Android).:
Mas recentemente fiquei um pouco receoso de ficar recebendo fiat de pessoas que não conheço, e isso poderia me dar problemas de receber dinheiro sujo. Mas nunca tive problemas e já usei bastante a BISQ 1, desktop mesmo
Vai depender da quantidade. Se for valores relativamente baixos de pessoas diferentes, não haverá grande problemas.
Não podemos esquecer que os bandidos querem despachar dinheiro rápido, não em pequenas parcelas.
No que tinha visto no BISQ algum tempo atras, valores menores eram mais complicado de transacionar, por isso é que ainda não fiquei convencido.
39. Post 65914782 (unedited backup) (by JayJuanGee) (scraped on Mon Oct 13 03:15:13 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:
I might not be a good person to measure against.. and gold is not dumping seems like a big so what?
Hopefully none of us are buying much if any gold, or getting distracted by it.
Mostly, I have not been injecting new cash into bitcoin since early 2017 -
I think last time on another thread you told me how much btc you have, they were not even 1 BTC. Correct me if I am wrong and sorry if I talk about something in here that I shouldn't have.
It is not good for anyone to be talking about their stack size or the stack sizes of other members - even though from time to time, we will talk about hypotheticals and also talk about what our stack sizes might be or could be and even misinformation and disinformation that might be based on facts and/or pure fantasy.
So, it is good to take from those stories as you will, and surely there are some members who particularly provide their personal details, or they might feel that providing some particular personal details is helpful in making their personal point more clearly or more credibly. Sometimes, the information provided might contradict too. Whether the contradiction needs to be sussed out might be another story.
As if you have stopped buying since early 2017 don't you think it's a bit biased to tell others to keep buying and dcaing and not trading, but holding, I am not laying fingers, just a question out of curiosity.
I am frequently suggesting that guys stay focused on accumulating until they reach overaccumulation status.
Once a guy reaches overaccumulation status, his options greatly increase.
Guys have to figure out what is their own overaccumulation status and there are various ways to come to such an assessment.
In recent times (maybe the last couple of years?), I have come up with new ways of assessing overaccumulation status that are different from my ways of assessing my having had reached overaccumulation status in late 2014 (or maybe if not late 2014 by mid-to-late 2015).
A lot of guys consider it is a good idea to sell coins before they have reached overaccumulation status and they speculate that they can buy back cheaper.
Personally, I believe that it is a bad idea to sell bitcoin with a plan of trying to buy back cheaper, even though I am not against the idea of selling on the way up and buying on the way down.. especially for guys who have reached overaccumulation status, so it may well be problematic to sell on the way up when you have already figured out that you don't even have enough coins in the first place.
Guys can do whatever they like, even dumb shit.
I think that there are good reasons for guys to stay focused on accumulation of BTC through buying ONLY for at least a whole cycle, and perhaps even a couple of cycles, yet sure, guys can consider themselves smarter than everyone else and do whatever they like, including having fun never reaching overaccumulation status... since it is likely going to be quite difficult to ever reach overaccumulation status if you are selling your coins and/or focusing on strategies that deviate from persistent, consistent, regular, ongoing and perhaps even aggressive buying of bitcoin. But hey if you want to employ selling and/or waiting as your strategy, then sure, that might work.. perhaps? Perhaps you got it figured out and you can identify various waves that help you do better than guys who stay focused on buy only BTc accumulation techniques.
I do respect your povs though because we must keep holdings our bags as you have helped me understand one thing that long term conviction usually wins, timing rarely does.
Guys have to be careful when they consider switching their strategy based on what another guy is doing or has been doing - especially if one guy might reasonably be at or above overaccumulation status and another guy might be in his early stages of accumulating and hardly making any progress in building his bitcoin holdings, and he wants to trade rather than staying focused on BTC accumulation.
There are also some guys who are ONLY able to accumulate from their income, and they are lucky to figure out how to accumulate even 10% of their income in bitcoin, so it may well take them 10 years or more to invest a whole year's income into bitcoin, and there are other guys who may have had been investing in various non-bitcoin areas for 10-20 years or more, and so when they come to bitcoin, they might already have an ability to front load 1-2 years or more of their income into bitcoin within a year or two, so guys who front load their investment may well be in a different position as compared with guys who are ONLY able to invest from their income at a rate of 10% or even less than that.
It tends to take a long time to build up a bitcoin stash, even for guys who might come to bitcoin with a lot of money, they may still take 6 months to 24 months or even longer to establish their position, since they might not want to sell much if any of their other assets while they are establishing their bitcoin position.
He lost it all in a boating accident, you need to keep up.
go back a few years
go back a few years..
let me tell you a story
about JJG..
Let me guess.
The "story" starts out like this:
"JJG walks into a bar....
....
....."

Was about to post the same thing. I saw it this morning too
Hopefully it looks like it.
The market moves in a similar way and that is the reason why traders are using the previous market movement to check how the future price is gonna move and react to price. Once you understand the market behaviors you will be surprised that Bitcoin has virtually similar patterns and movement. Although this pattern should not be seen as the priority in speculating the future price.
We still have more bullish candles to count before any diversion or change in trend.
It seems crazy to be trying to trade on such historical patterns - especially since the patterns are even more clear once the whole history had ended up playing itself out rather than having any ability to identify what may or may not happen next (based on perhaps slightly greater than 50/50 odds).
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his claim of owning 0.63 btc is very likely an understatement.
hell i own more than that.
That is a bit of a dilemma.
Remember the context of my claim came from around 2021 or so, when we were transitioning to a point in which it was already starting to become impractical for guys to shoot for accumulating a whole bitcoin... so then if the target for accumulating might be 0.21 BTC or 21 million satoshis, then at that time, I was willing to admit that I had accumulated more than 3x the amounts that newbie guys might be starting out as their target accumulation level.
In recent times, I have been hearing that guys might shoot for reaching 1 million satoshis and then sure each additional million satoshis that they reach would be a good thing - especially for someone who might have limited discretionary income and who might take some time to build up his bitcoin holdings.
How many bitcoin we need and how long it might take us to get to such a status tends to have a lot of factors, and right now, 0.63 BTC is starting to seem like a lot of bitcoin, and it could take several years for guys to reach 0.63 BTC or more.
Maybe another thing, as you well know Philip, is how many bitcoin that we were able to accumulate historically does not necessarily reflect how many bitcoin we had been able to retain.
Part of the reason that I suggest that guys get to overaccumulation status before selling any bitcoin has to do with such a dynamic, since once a guy starts to sell his bitcoin, he might not be able to get back to his earlier stash level, without having to spend way more money to get his stash back to such a level.
I am not claiming to know the answer, since each guy has to attempt to assess how to deal with his BTC accumulation and/or even whether he might consider himself to have had graduated frrom accumulation status and into maintenance status based on his own individual particulars (I had listed
9 of them).
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1 - 1/e ≈ 0.63
If you know, you know.
That's beyond my current puzzle solving capabilities.
his claim of owning 0.63 btc is very likely an understatement.
hell i own more than that.
The .63 that I may or may not have works just fine for all intents and purposes. As everything we post here is hypothetical, the crazy part is I can be more forthcoming here than I am in meatspace... I definitely agree this drop was more of a WHEEEEE moment for me rather than a OHH SHITE type of moment. Even though the liquidations were massive, it doesn't matter if you are HODLing. I am, however, really leaning into time-based selling, and even then only if I think I need more fiat than I currently possess. It's been nice to not stay glued to portfolios (no matter how small they may be!)
We do have over half of UPtober left...
K
For sure.
The various formulas work with any quantity of bitcoin, yet surely it we have more bitcoin then we have more to work with, yet bitcoin is pretty powerful once you have actually accurately calculated having had reached overaccumulation status. If you are accurate in your calculations, then you may well be ble to start to withdraw fiat from bitcoin forever.
Frequently it would be helpful to have extra beyond bare minimum overaccumulation status, so then you have some extra flexibility, so sure as you say, if you have various fiat sources, then you spend your fiat first so that your bitcoin can continue to grow and/or compound upon itself. If we have been in bitcoin for a couple of cycles or more, then it is likely that the value of our bitcoin is ongoingly compounding upon itself.
his claim of owning 0.63 btc is very likely an understatement.
hell i own more than that.
The .63 that I may or may not have works just fine for all intents and purposes. As everything we post here is hypothetical, the crazy part is I can be more forthcoming here than I am in meatspace... I definitely agree this drop was more of a WHEEEEE moment for me rather than a OHH SHITE type of moment. Even though the liquidations were massive, it doesn't matter if you are HODLing. I am, however, really leaning into time-based selling, and even then only if I think I need more fiat than I currently possess. It's been nice to not stay glued to portfolios (no matter how small they may be!)
We do have over half of UPtober left...
K
Do you really think that JJG would spend so much time on this forum if he has <1
BTC? I don't buy it. I think he had > 100
BTC at some point. May be he sold some, but I doubt he has <90
BTC now.
You are telling a story that sounds just like the story that another member had told about himself. Accordingly, you are mixing me up with another forum member since I don't speak about those kinds of specifics - and furthermore it is likely not good to argue about those kinds of specifics, even though, sure, I have no problem throwing out a few hypotheticals that include some other WO participant.. so for example, I could say something like:'
If Ivomm were to have had a goal to reach fuck you status, and his income in the past 10 years had been somewhere between $35k and $65k, yet he had told himself that if he were to be able to draw an income of
$80k per year from his bitcoin, then right now he would likely need to have at least 14.8832BTC in order to sustainably (perpetually) be able to provide him with that level of income (including a 7% per year increase - in terms of dollars).
Of course, if he were to have more than that quantity, then he would have some extra cushion for periods that he might want to spend beyond his budget, in the event that he were to not have any other income sources.
Another thing is that several of us might well have income sources outside of bitcoin, yet it could well be the case that some day we would end up depleting all of our other income sources, so then we might ONLY have bitcoin remaining as our only income source.
By the way, it is my opinion that even if we have mostly only bitcoin and cash as our only remaining investments/savings for our income sources, it probably is better to create some systems in which we have other income sources too, even if those other income sources are likely to be inferior to bitcoin.. .yet of course, it is discretionary regarding which other income sources we create for ourselves and the extent to which we don't get diverted away from bitcoin based on our choices to keep some time, energy and value in inferior assets/currencies.
....... discussing with precise quantities is unbecoming to such fine gentlemen.
That seems to come off as a reasonably fine clarification of the matter at hand, which might explain why some formulas have a kind of gobble-dee-gook flavor to them.. .. which even the knowing that we know might cause us to suspect that we might not know..
(I don't even like myself for having had written that very sentence).
115k is better than 106k
maybe 125 by Thursday.
Well, Phil - It dipped to $104.6K and it's already back up $10k to $115k, so another quick $10k puts it right at your $125k mark on Thursday.
I hope it happens - I wouldn't bet against it happening...

We use Bitstamp as our price reference in this thread, so generally speaking the BTC price ONLY dipped to $109,683 (as far as our overall BTC price reference) - even though there were various exchanges in which the BTC price dropped lower than the Bitstamp bottom.
Usually the various exchanges are not so far out of sync as they had gotten to be in this particular drop, so this particular dippening brought quite a bit of out-of-sync-ness in various exchanges (and I even heard some of them ran out of liquidity, which was part of the explanation for the out-of-sync-ness - like the good ole days when there tended to be a lot more out-of-sync-ness.
40. Post 65913695 (unedited backup) (by Forsyth Jones) (scraped on Sun Oct 12 20:59:13 CEST 2025) in Bisq easy, versão mobile da Dex já disponível (somente para Android).:
O aplicativo Bisq Easy (protocolo Bisq 2), já tem versão mobile para android (não tem pra iOS e provavelmente não deve ter).
Quem vai testar? Que tal começarmos a usar o Bisq agora, hein?
Caso esteja receoso com o PIX, pode negociar depix e outras stablecoins e outros métodos de pagamentos/transferências.
O @bitmover que vai gostar dessa postagem, ele entende mais do que eu.
Anúncio no X:
https://x.com/bisq_network/status/1977027198717771941github release:
https://github.com/bisq-network/bisq-mobile/releases/anode_0.1.1Playstore:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=network.bisq.mobile.node
41. Post 65913041 (unedited backup) (by Cricktor) (scraped on Sun Oct 12 18:30:37 CEST 2025) in 2.62x BTC dumped to legacy address of Genesis block:
Time for another small update that meets my arbitrary criteria to be listed in the table.
Past March 14
th, 2025 large recent transfers to 1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa (more or equal to 500,000 sats):
Current balance at time of this post according to
combo(PubKey of Genesis block's coinbase) descriptor, including the unspendable 50
BTC of coinbase tx: 104.39476090
BTC (the difference to previous post's value and newcomer transaction are a lot of smaller dust wastes or whatever their purpose is).
This may differ slightly from what mempool.space or bitcoindata.science displays because the combo() descriptorsee below accounts for all address types (except Taproot, IIRC).combo(04678afdb0fe5548271967f1a67130b7105cd6a828e03909a67962e0ea1f61deb649f6bc3f4cef38c4f35504e51ec112de5c384df7ba0b8d578a4c702b6bf11d5f)#gvgcz9wt
42. Post 65910744 (unedited backup) (by JayJuanGee) (scraped on Sun Oct 12 03:51:26 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:
Despite the sharp correction, it seems unlikely to me that this is the end of the cycle.
It could be, but, then, it would a weak one: possible, but not very likely.
Alternatively, my current thinking is that if we drop into a bear (below 100K), then the bear would be a cub in duration (a few months at most).
As monetary conditions would be presumably easing in the next 12 mo, bitcoin should extend the rally or restart the new cycle after a small (in % and duration) bear.
About $100K is critical in determining that bull-bear switch.
Personally, I am not sure if going below $100k and even staying there for a few weeks would be determinative of a bear market.
In the last cycle, I had given up once we crashed below the 100-WMA.. So I was thinking that maybe the 100-WMA would be more of a sign that we are in a bear market, even though even that might not determinative, if we go through a mere flash crash or something that is not lasting.
Currently, the 100-WMA is at $77k.
Of course, you might have had been one of the guys who had been discussing the possibility that the bull market is over once the 200-WMA reaches the previous ATH.. and the
200-WMA is currently at $53.7k, and the top of the 2021 bull market was $69k.
In a big picture, I project the large secular top in bitcoin in 2028-2029 (definitely before 2030).
It is possible that everything will peak then and a Depression would follow.
You mean that we peak around $2.5 million in 2028-2029 , and then we crash back down to a mere $1 million in 2030?
The worst is the disruption of the supply chains so that we are not able to enjoy our riches, right?
Of course, there are scouts out there who are stealing the ideas of the best minds in town.
TL;DR: we will have another 1929, but it may be 3-4 years out...right now US seem to be in a roaring 20ies (gigantic investments in AI, good GDP numbers, etc.)
It could be. Such a claim does not come off as outrageous. The devil is in the details, and surely it is not even good for rich people if safety goes way down or supply chains dry up.
I am pretty surer that gold bugs would be too excited if the US would be selling its gold in order to buy bitcoin, even though, sure the BTC Maxis would get excited about it, to the extent that it is pumping the bags of bitcoin holders.
Market dumps, happens as it was expected, they were testing and I already knew because of little knowledge I have that, if the U.S ever actually moved that way, both gold and BTC would spike, and then get dumped just as fast and that happens, although gold is not dumping like btc.
Are you still buying? I guess I know the answer.
I might not be a good person to measure against.. and gold is not dumping seems like a big so what?
Hopefully none of us are buying much if any gold, or getting distracted by it.
Mostly, I have
not been injecting new cash into bitcoin since early 2017 - except maybe sporadically here and there, for example, during the 2022 crash below $20k, I largely was running out of money in my various bitcoin related funds, so there was some period of time that I was injecting some new cash into bitcoin..
I did most of my BTC accumulating in 2013 and 2014, and I still continued somewhat in 2015 through 2016, even though I told myself that I had mostly gotten enough by late 2014. It seems to me that most guys are still accumulating bitcoin, and they have to acknowledge where they are at... and trading is not a good approach for anyone who is still trying to accumulate bitcoin.
A so far 13% correction is hardly anything to pay attention to, and sure guys are in different phases of their bitcoin investment journey, and so you have to figure out where you are on the spectrum of accumulation, maintenance, liquidation or some combination of those and perhaps some priority to one or another depending.. and guys who are in their earliest years into bitcoin will be at various stages of accumulation, so as their bitcoin stash grows they may well find themselves to start to transition into some aspect of the next stage up, yet it still can take guys well over 10 years to get through their accumulation stage, especially if they are building their bitcoin ONLY from their income and they don't have other places in which they can reallocate into bitcoin or other ways to front load their bitcoin without engaging in unnecessary risks.
I think a lot of people forgot and many more weren't even around during this time.. Bitcoin sometimes crashed much more than this 13% on news of these bans, lol.

Whether you were around or not, you should take some responsibility in trying to get some sense of what bitcoin does and is capable of doing so that you will not be totally surprised and/or blown away by price moves that go outside of your expectations.
We had a 30% correction between late January 2025 and early April 2025, so it is not even like we have to go back very far in BTC's price history.
We get guys spinning this current dump as if it were the first time that we had blah blah blah, and some guys just accept those representations without doing any meaningful verification for themselves. Sometimes it is difficult to even save folks from themselves.
I wouldn't know. Try asking Mike.

Now I have to ask Mike who? lol
You must be new here. Here's your answer key. Study harder.
You can retake the test on the first available date.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWSlVMpbcPUSpoon feeding.
I am not opposed to some paper bitcoin for either beginners and/or for those who have most of their investments in various kinds of products (such as retirement funds) that might not allow for self-custody. Also, some institutions and/or governments might have difficulties self-custodying, so paper bitcoin might be mostly acceptable for them, even if they might have to figure out ways to attempt to transition into having some control and/or oversight over the ways that the coins are custodied - perhaps even trying to custody with custodians who engaging in some kinds of credible auditing (proof of reserves), and even having abilities to move coins between custodians could keep a decent number of the custodians honest (to the extent that we can have any confidence in quite a few aspect of our smoke and mirror status quo financial institutions and systems that seem to operate on spin, convolution and obscurity).
Jay - I am glad to learn you feel this way about spot Bitcoin ETFs!

There are needs to be practical without expecting that those third-party services and/or derivative products are the same as bitcoin. We also should not presume that various third-party derivative products are not problematic in regards to several use cases that bring value to bitcoin, even if they serve some purposes of allowing for bitcoin price exposure.
I frequently suggest that newbies to bitcoin get started in whatever way that they can, and I don't even push the idea that they have to start out with self-custody, since I understand that in some regards, it can take a bit of time to get used to bitcoin, so in some regards, it may well be better to start out with investing in various derivative products and/or even buying bitcoin through an exchange while learning about bitcoin and self-custody... so it could take 3-6 months or even a year for some newbies to get used to aspects of bitcoin and to transition into self-custody.. so in that regard, I consider it better to have exposure to bitcoin rather than not having exposure, yet you BTCETFInvestor have made arguments that self-custody is inferior to buying those various bitcoin derivative products, which seems that you either don't understand bitcoin or you are trying to spread misinformation by wanting to promote derivative products as if they were superior, when they are not.
Individuals have fewer excuses, even though surely I can imagine some situations in which they might have had built their investments through various traditional kinds of investment accounts, so they have some difficult times learning the value and the importance of self-custody, especially in an asset like bitcoin.. which is different from all other assets - except there are shitcoins trying to imitate it, yet difficult for them to establish strong network effects if they are not at least 10x better than bitcoin.
[...] extra stresses [...]
haha bitcoin is the most stress free investment ever at this point
ok, well for low cost basis folk anyway.
but hey folks if one hodls long enough yall may be saying the same thing to btc noobs like two cycles from now
not financial adviceGuys are in various stages of their bitcoin investment journey, and for sure, the longer that any of us have been in bitcoin, then the more likely that the passage of time and our emphasis on buying and then holding and not overly selling ended up contributing to our having had created a distance between our cost basis and the current price...or even the anticipated bottom price.
It still can take a long time for any of us to get to the point of feeling "stress free."
I am not going to anyone to be a long term bitcoiner, yet instead it seems that the safer investment is to assume most people are either no coiners or they are new to bitcoin, so they are building up their stash, and in the process of building their stash, it can surely take a decently long time to get into a status of "stress free."
A lot of guys do not even have great levels of discretionary income, and they also might have challenges with their cashflow management to be able to clearly establish that they have enough discretionary income to be able to fairly aggressively invest into bitcoin without stress.
Even if we might presume that some guys might be able to invest fairly aggressively into bitcoin, such as 15% to 25% of his income into bitcoin (presuming that money is discretionary funds), then it could still take him 4 to 7 years to get up to 1 years of his income into bitcoin, and even if he gets 1 year income into bitcoin, it could take a while for that quantity of money to sufficiently appreciate, since maybe he is not able to front load his investment into bitcoin and if the price of bitcoin is going up as he is investing into it, he might lose confidence in deploying as much aggressiveness in his investment into bitcoin, since he will perceive that the BTC price is high and that he might not be investing wisely by buying as the BTC price is going up.
Many guys are also not even in a position to be able to invest 15% to 25% of their income into bitcoin, and they might be lucky to be able to invest 10% of ther income into bitcoin, which means that it will take around 10 years for them to have had invested a whole years income into bitcoin.
Anyhow. I think that I said enough, and I am repeating myself to say that it tends to take a long time to build up an investment.
Even yourself. You likely did not feel stress free with your bitcoin in your first whole cycle buying bitcoin, even though we came to find out that we could have invested a whole cycle in the past and then we could stop investing. Now days, there are likely needs for most folks to invest into bitcoin 2-3 cycles or even more to really get to a point in which their bitcoin investment might start to feel less stressful, and not even that is guaranteed.
Hey, I took a week off, anything interesting happen?

No.
43. Post 65910499 (unedited backup) (by joker_josue) (scraped on Sun Oct 12 01:05:50 CEST 2025) in Troca de Bitcoin por USDT ou USDC:
Tem aplicativos como o DollarApp que voce simplesmente envia USDC e cai USD na sua conta, e voce pode converter pra euro por taxa irrisória. Tem um KYC muito básico,. mas nao vai expor sua identidade do forum
Se o KYC é básico, pode tornar as coisas interessantes.
Melhor que a Binance então?
Vou ver se dou uma vista de olhos com mais cuidado e eventualmente uns testes.
44. Post 65910139 (unedited backup) (by Rikafip) (scraped on Sat Oct 11 23:09:49 CEST 2025) in Brief monthly overview of the local board activity:
Good job Rikafip! Just a few days after August.
Here is the updated chart race of boards race
Thanks, I updated the overview with your animated chart race.
Croatian local board is doing better, but we are always looking for new members to accept

Yep, we recovered nicely and are keeping good numbers. All that was needed is a couple of new members and our local became way more lively than before.
It happens when I am late publishing my review and you are quick publishing yours: there is only one day difference!
Lol!
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This is how it starts, and before you know it, I'll start publishing my overviews before you, like it was in the past.

45. Post 65909881 (unedited backup) (by Forsyth Jones) (scraped on Sat Oct 11 21:51:31 CEST 2025) in Troca de Bitcoin por USDT ou USDC:
Ontem eu acessei a hyperliquid de novo, vi que a maioria das moedas que eu costumo trocar, como LTC não tem, mas já é um bom começo.
Eu ainda não operei nenhum valor por lá, pois meus fundos já estavam na bybit.
Não tem KYC @bitmover ? Mesmo se não usarmos USDC pra depositar ou sacar?
46. Post 65909506 (unedited backup) (by JayJuanGee) (scraped on Sat Oct 11 20:13:14 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:
[...]I am very disappointed.
You are very greedy.
Will you still be very disappointed when Bitcoin dips to $1.0M from $1.4M in 2030?
Perhaps some people can never get enough, no matter what.
I know that you don't completely agree with the idea of luck, yet as long as we are not dead (or perhaps if we have (or had) at least a 4 year investment horizon when we got started), we are so damned fortunate to have had come across bitcoin and come to the realization that it was a place in which we could put value, and yeah, we did not know for sure that it was going to go up, but we considered it as a potentially promising place.
There are so many folks who either don't hear about bitcoin or if they hear about it, they do not recognize and appreciate it as an opportunity, which continues to be true to this day.
Some of us who have been in bitcoin for a while start to believe that the bitcoin trade is obvious, even if it may well be obvious to some of us, since even if there were advantages in being aggressive in our investments, those folks who were moderate and/or even conservative in their bitcoin investment, were still able to profit quite extensively, as long as they stayed somewhat consistent in their buying of bitcoin and erroring on the side of buying and HODLing it.
Sure, there are some guys who have been in bitcoin more than 6 years and still have costs in the $30ks to $50ks, so they might ONLY have 2.5x to 4x profits in their bitcoin holdings, yet there are quite a few of us who have costs per BTC that are quite a bit below $30k, even below $10k per BTC - which surely should have had allowed us to offset the debasement of the dollar and various other fiat currencies.
I suppose some of us have figured out various ways to maintain cashflow in our lives so that we don't feel any urgency to be cashing out much if any of our BTC, and I don't have any problem if guys want to make somewhat radical upgrades to their lifestyle - yet at the same time, it is probably healthier to try to figure out ways to gradually upgrade your lifestyle rather than radically upgrading, even if you are able to radically upgrade. Not everyone is going to agree with my viewpoint, that is for sure, and surely various aspects of a person's situation - even their age, might cause them to shoot for high aspirations that may well be contributing to extra stresses that may well not be necessary... but hey, to each their own.
Lucky I feel.. .
Hopefully no observers got liquidated during that flash crash.
It is problematic to be playing with leverage, even though surely, there are guys, even in these here parts, who choose to use leverage of some sort or another in their ways of dealing with bitcoin... and sometimes even more leverage than they can handle financially and/or psychologically.. and therefore, small dips can sometimes end up with fairly high magnifying effects.
Historically, it seems that we had much more volatility and even emotions. I recall a lot of time that "stay calm" used to be quite a common theme in these here parts.

You seem to think that the solution is to sell in order that you have more money in case the price falls..
Yet if you are merely investing within your income then you just keep investing no matter what, whether the BTC price falls or not.
sure, you could hold back some of your buys, so that you are only buying with half of your income, so if the price goes down, you have some money saved up, yet you might end up saving up way more than you need, and then the price does not end up going down, and so you end up with too much fiat when you should have had been buying bitcoin all along.. which seems to be your issue already, if you had not been buying steady since early 2017, so you still have not figured out your mistake and you keep repeating it by failing/refusing to ongoingly, regularly, persistently, consistently and perhaps even aggressively buy (of course, within your already existing discretionary income, whatever that might be). Another thing is trying to figure out ways to increase your discretionary income by increasing your income and/or by cutting your expenses, and maybe trying to reach an accumulation rate that is greater than 15% of your income. or some other kind of large number that is also reasonable.
Everything started making sense, LOL.
Hopefully. You are still in a good place, even if it is taking you a long time to figure out that the key to bitcoin is to keep stacking until you reach some acceptable version of overaccumulation status. There are surely a lot of guys who prematurely conclude that they have reached overaccumulation status based on concerns that the prices are continuing to go up... Yet, part of our recognition should still be that so many normies still don't know what the fuck bitcoin is, even though some of them think that they do based on their having had heard the word, "bitcoin."
Well, FYI - I am not investing all my income in Bitcoin.
You are reading me (my post) wrong. I was merely trying to suggest that some guys can ONLY invest from their income since they either do not have anything saved (and/or they do not have liquid places in which they could draw upon to invest in bitcoin), so they can only invest from their income as their income comes in.. .. and they might not even be able to draw from their income in advance because they either have bad credit, no collateral and/or insufficient credibility in terms of their ongoing income continuing to come in (not that I consider borrowing against your future income to be a good idea, especially for people who are already with questionable credit worthiness or questionable future cashflow and/or back up ways to pay the loan in case the investment goes to zero or does not adequately perform).
I actually cannot afford to do that. I mainly save my signature earnings from the forum and keep that in Bitcoin. I sell some portions from here to cover my pocket expenses, and I have a real-life job to cover my family expenses. That is how I have been doing so far. But I sometimes sell more from my holdings to buy new gadgets and devices. Probably, I am doing it wrong because I am following these trends. I could save them if I wanted.
You are in the best position to judge any places in which you are able to increase your income and/or cut your expenses, and so surely it is good that you have figured out various ways to earn bitcoin and to transact with bitcoin, and so that puts you at a certain advantage over folks who still have not yet learn those kinds of aspects of bitcoin.
You likely have had a bit of a problematic mentality when it comes to bitcoin, in terms of your inclinations to spend it without replacing it, and sure, I understand if some of your income is coming from bitcoin, there may well be times in which your various basic expenses exceed your income, so you have to figure out from some places in which to draw from various resources that you have in order to cover the various basic expenses, which is part of the reason that guys will keep various back up funds so that they have cash cushions to cover their expenses when things are not going well or maybe even in times that they might have made some mistakes in their calculating of their income versus their expenses.
No one can really tell you how to manage your funds and/or how much to emphasize accumulating bitcoin, since level of aggressiveness (or priorities) and/or levels of whimpiness are within your own choices including your putting some efforts in to identifying the value of bitcoin as an asset and/or as a vehicle to both present and future empowerment (empowerment with the potential of having of more options).
We all got rekt again

I wish I had some fiat to buy back again.
A so far 13% correction is hardly anything to pay attention to, and sure guys are in different phases of their bitcoin investment journey, and so you have to figure out where you are on the spectrum of accumulation, maintenance, liquidation or some combination of those and perhaps some priority to one or another depending.. and guys who are in their earliest years into bitcoin will be at various stages of accumulation, so as their bitcoin stash grows they may well find themselves to start to transition into some aspect of the next stage up, yet it still can take guys well over 10 years to get through their accumulation stage, especially if they are building their bitcoin ONLY from their income and they don't have other places in which they can reallocate into bitcoin or other ways to front load their bitcoin without engaging in unnecessary risks.
Maybe I am a bit too conservative, sometimes, yet it seems to me that there are ways to invest that are mostly focused on building and not taking too many chances of a lot of things potentially going wrong and/or devolving into trading and/or gambling rather than investing. There are a lot of guys who seem to mix up trading and investing, and sure there are ways in which trading/investing overlap, yet at the same time, some guys seem to wrongly conclude that with bitcoin they need to transition between buying and selling their bitcoin in order to hopefully build their bitcoin stash in a more rapid way... yet frequently trying to rush an investment (like bitcoin) might either contribute to opposite results or even hinder the building process in unnecessary ways.
It seems that you might need to just ongoingly focus on building your bitcoin, and if you sell any bitcoin that you have, then spend and replace them in a fairly short period of time, yet you likely have to rethink what targets you are trying to reach.. so for example, if your current income is $20k to $30k, yet you were shooting for something like a $40k per year income that could be completely supported by bitcoin, then from my point of view,
right now you would need right around 7.455 BTC or more to reach that threshold of being able to perpetually draw $40k per year and with a 7% per year optional income increase.
Even if you currently do not have 7.455 BTC, and maybe you ONLY have 1.5 BTC (which it seems that you don't even have that much, even though you have been in registered on this forum since early 2017)... but let's say that you were to either have 1.5 BTC or able to accumulate that amount by 2031, then perhaps
by 2031, 1.5 BTC would be enough to support a perpetual income of $40k per year with 7% annual increases.
Of course, projections of future prices are not guaranteed, yet it still can be helpful to have some ballpark ideas about where we are at (how did we get here should be more concrete) and where we think that we might be able to go. None of this is guaranteed. We do our best based on our circumstances as they are and what we realistically might consider to be within our capabilities, and sometimes we will end up in a better situation than we had expected ourselves to be, which has been the case with quite a few folks who have been in bitcoin for a long time and who have stayed focused on accumulating and mostly holding their bitcoin.
47. Post 65908368 (unedited backup) (by joker_josue) (scraped on Sat Oct 11 15:28:07 CEST 2025) in Troca de Bitcoin por USDT ou USDC:
Você pode converter por fiat depois, mas voce ja tera o usdc
Fica mais facil.
Em que sentido fica mais fácil?
O KYC deixa de ser relevante?
48. Post 65908160 (unedited backup) (by joker_josue) (scraped on Sat Oct 11 14:36:19 CEST 2025) in Troca de Bitcoin por USDT ou USDC:
Mas, se fizeres a conversão para fiat tens de fazer KYC, ou não?
49. Post 65907753 (unedited backup) (by LoyceV) (scraped on Sat Oct 11 12:19:43 CEST 2025) in Complete overview of users on DT1 and DT2 and their ratings:
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50. Post 65907436 (unedited backup) (by bitcoinPsycho) (scraped on Sat Oct 11 10:24:14 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:
Well Trump’s ruined the bull market.
Q4 torched by that orange retard.
The top might be in, hard to see us pumping significantly now. Stocks down, Bitcoin down more obviously. Zero strength here, pathetic. Tariff FUD lasted months last time so cycle possibly over.
Glad I sold some Friday @ 121k.
No more "dump before the pump"?
I would hate for the cycle to be over so soon.
I don't buy it.
I will bet you that we get $127k or higher before the end of the year and if not the end of the year before the end of the 1st quarter 2026.
I am not going to lock myself into thinking that the top of the cycle has to happen within this calendar year.
You want to bet?
Anyone?
Anyone?
Also, I will bet you that we will not reach below $80k prior to December 2027 (and we can also use $300k as another way to close such bet before the end of 2027).
Well a retreat to 118.6k and I grabbed some.
we are bouncing back to 119.1k
maybe I caught the bottom with the 118.6 buy
If I were Bob, I'd say my plums tell me differently. Being just me, I'll say it's my gut. I think we're revisiting some low numbers over the weekend while the dust settles.
Disclaimer: full SOMA.
got some 117.9 dip just now so you are right that 118.6 is not low enough
thank god for the copper and silver sales
I got some at $120k, some at $115.5k, some at $112.2k, some at $108.5k and some at $105.1k..
The last two were an overshoot by that exchange, so then I was supposed to sell the $108.5k and the $105.1k ones at $109k and $112k respectively - however, the price was shooting up to $114k while I was trying to place the sell orders, so I just sold one of them at $114.27k and the other at $114.17k.. .. so now everything is back in order with the next buys at $108.5k-ish and the next sells at $116.5k-ish.. so really 3 orders filled, but two additional orders on one of the exchanges due to an overrun... perhaps a fat thumb?
Well Trump’s ruined the bull market.
I may have missed it, but what happened?
If a single person can ruin the bull market, Bitcoin deserves it. So I refuse to believe this is possible.
A post raving against China being bigly baad, especially with export controls on rare earths, and yuuge anti-China tariffs coming. Wait, I'm fetching a link...
EDIT Here it is
https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1976664345435414918Yeah but my silver and copper will go up up up
You better not sell them, then.
Repeat your ongoing dumb.

Retail is absolutely missing as well.
This time it's different.
My rule in this game: If in doubt, hodl.
Most pathetic cycle so far for Bitcoin.
Not even 2x the last cycle high from 2021 of 69k.
Most pathetic is very subjective.
There are a lot of great things going on in bitcoin, and the 200-WMA is up from
$16,126 on October 11, 2021 to $53,662 today. That is a 3.33x appreciation in the bottom price, which seems quite amazing to this here cat... best investment that has been available for everyone and anyone, as long as such persons have a discretionary income and such person choose to invest rather than trade.
Of course, having at least a 4-10 year investment timeline is helpful too, and the longer investment timelines have had the benefits of compounding value, especially if we go back even further in the cycles.
Yeah, of course, you are anxious to sell.. but that may well be upon you failing/refusing to take profits along the way and putting too much emphasis of certain tops that you would like to reach with a certain timeline.
And, we already know that dee cornz is not exactly on a schedule, even though it sometimes might seem like it is on a schedule.
We were at 109k in January 2025 when Trump had his inauguration.
You know better than that.
We had a trump pump that went from $69k-ish to $109k-ish within about 2.5 months. That was nearly a 60% price increase in a short period of time.
We also had pretty much a move from $27k in October 2023 to $109k in January 2025 - that is right around 4x..
but yeah, maybe we have to go back to the 200-WMA in order to help to calm
"ourselves" the fuck down.
No?
You might deserve either a bat slapping, or the treatment from Airplane (the movie).
We are being vastly outperformed by Gold in 2025.
Who cares?
Gold is a dying relic.
zoom out.
Gold has not done shit in the past 15 years,.. and yeah, maybe it is not fair to measure gold from its earlier 2011 top, and so sure gold is a bit of a go-to asset at the moment.. yet bitcoin is around 1,000x better than gold.. so it may take some time for the market to figure it out.
This cycle is making me question my conviction going forward about uber long term holding.
You sound over invested.
I’m selling nothing else this year at these prices but long term, maybe the gains in Bitcoin we have been so lucky to have in the past are no longer a thing. Too much leverage trading and paper Bitcoin, maybe we are done.
Bitcoin is going up forever, yet at the same time, we have to expect some leveling off..
And, we have to also expect quite a bit of manipulation.
Volatility is not going away, and sure volatility can go in either direction, and sure UP is not guaranteed.
Clearly not dead, tick tock next block but to not even 2x from 2021 is weak.
I am very disappointed.
Oh gawd.

You do deserve to sell some, even though you seem to have enough sense to not be selling too much at these prices, yet why hang onto so much bitcoin, anyhow.
You likely have plenty of profits. You could probably sell 10% to 20% and not even be very phased, and you would get rid of some of your overinvestedness.
'
Whether you save or you invest with whatever you sell is up to you. You likely have plenty of bitcoin, so why be greedy, especially if it is upsetting you so much.
You are overinvested.
Yep. We had a new ATH a mere 3 days ago, yet this is supposedly boring.
Doesn't make sense to me.
I don't celebrate every small ATH change. Do you?
Sure. I celebrate.
For the most part, many of us (perhaps royal?) have been having ongoing celebrations since late 2015. 2014 and 2015 were down and flat.. but by time we got to the end of 2015, the BTC price has been pretty much ongoingly UP since then.
Sure there have been some pauses along the way, but pretty much ongoing up since late 2015 when BTC prices were around $250... now BTC spot prices are right around 449x higher than what they were in late 2015.
Might as well look at the 200-WMA, too.
The
200-WMA was about $240 on October 11, 2015, so right now it is $53,662. So that is still right around 223.6x.. So either way, ongoing ATHs seem to be a thing, and yeah, they are still worthy of some level of excitement when they are continuing to happen, and likely not going to stop, either, even though we might experience some pausenings along the way, too.
US–China, tariffs, macro noise… whatever. Let’s stick to the tape:
~5× from ~$15k (Dec ’22) to ~$75k (Mar ’24).
~–30% pullback to ~$50k.
Then roughly ~2.5× since… but still no convincing expansion.
We’re now in Q4. It’s hard to see a clean 2× from the 2021 ATH (which was already underwhelming in fiat terms) without a decisive move soon.
I’m not trying to be a bear. But if you still believe in the current cycle (even shifted slightly into Q1 ’26), the higher-probability path might be more “new ATHs for ants” than a true hot green dildos ATH.
Let’s not be greedy or stubborn. If you want to avoid –50%/–60% drawdowns, you may need to rotate/hedge/take profits and be ready for another disappointing top unless the market reacts decisively this quarter.
ETH/alt market is still mostly underwater (not the topic of this thread, but worth noting).
Faith is there; pragmatism says the breaking point isn’t far. We’re already mid-October.
Not financial advice. Curious to hear the best bull counter-case.
There is no need for any kind of better bull counter-case, since you are free to do whatever the fuck you want, including taking some off of the table if you were expecting more, then you might not get it.
But then again, many of us already know that there are gloomy periods while bitcoin is performing quite greatly.
I recall a lot of doomer and gloomers throughout 2017 even though BTC prices went up quite greatly in that year, and even the correction did not bring us down to the lows that a lot of folks ( took their profits).
Even though you are a bit whiny, I almost sent you an smerit for laying out the "this is not enough" whiner case,. which is neither new for you or for some of the other whiners who "expected more" from dee cornz... .. but then as I was typing my response, I thought? Why reward the whiner?
wah, wah, wah.. give me my pacifier. we have had a so far 13% correction from our top from 5 days ago.. the world is ending, the world is ending... and the top is in... . wah wah wah.

At times, whining can be a bit contagious.
Quality post if I have ever seen one.
😀🤣😂 some excellent points right there
51. Post 65907302 (unedited backup) (by joker_josue) (scraped on Sat Oct 11 09:29:37 CEST 2025) in Troca de Bitcoin por USDT ou USDC:
Pq voce nao usa a hyperliquid? Eu comecei a usar por indicação do l3pox e estou achando ótima. Pode usar meu ref pra ter descontos em taxas: ROCINANTE
Qual é o link mesmo, dessa hyperliquid?
Eles não pedem KYC?
Como realizo tão poucas trocas, acabo por não fixar esses pormenores.
52. Post 65907262 (unedited backup) (by JayJuanGee) (scraped on Sat Oct 11 09:16:07 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:
Well Trump’s ruined the bull market.
Q4 torched by that orange retard.
The top might be in, hard to see us pumping significantly now. Stocks down, Bitcoin down more obviously. Zero strength here, pathetic. Tariff FUD lasted months last time so cycle possibly over.
Glad I sold some Friday @ 121k.
No more "dump before the pump"?
I would hate for the cycle to be over so soon.
I don't buy it.
I will bet you that we get $127k or higher before the end of the year and if not the end of the year before the end of the 1st quarter 2026.
I am not going to lock myself into thinking that the top of the cycle has to happen within this calendar year.
You want to bet?
Anyone?
Anyone?
Also, I will bet you that we will not reach below $80k prior to December 2027 (and we can also use $300k as another way to close such bet before the end of 2027).
Well a retreat to 118.6k and I grabbed some.
we are bouncing back to 119.1k
maybe I caught the bottom with the 118.6 buy
If I were Bob, I'd say my plums tell me differently. Being just me, I'll say it's my gut. I think we're revisiting some low numbers over the weekend while the dust settles.
Disclaimer: full SOMA.
got some 117.9 dip just now so you are right that 118.6 is not low enough
thank god for the copper and silver sales
I got some at $120k, some at $115.5k, some at $112.2k, some at $108.5k and some at $105.1k..
The last two were an overshoot by that exchange, so then I was supposed to sell the $108.5k and the $105.1k ones at $109k and $112k respectively - however, the price was shooting up to $114k while I was trying to place the sell orders, so I just sold one of them at $114.27k and the other at $114.17k.. .. so now everything is back in order with the next buys at $108.5k-ish and the next sells at $116.5k-ish.. so really 3 orders filled, but two additional orders on one of the exchanges due to an overrun... perhaps a fat thumb?
Well Trump’s ruined the bull market.
I may have missed it, but what happened?
If a single person can ruin the bull market, Bitcoin deserves it. So I refuse to believe this is possible.
A post raving against China being bigly baad, especially with export controls on rare earths, and yuuge anti-China tariffs coming. Wait, I'm fetching a link...
EDIT Here it is
https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1976664345435414918Yeah but my silver and copper will go up up up
You better not sell them, then.
Repeat your ongoing dumb.

Retail is absolutely missing as well.
This time it's different.
My rule in this game: If in doubt, hodl.
Most pathetic cycle so far for Bitcoin.
Not even 2x the last cycle high from 2021 of 69k.
Most pathetic is very subjective.
There are a lot of great things going on in bitcoin, and the 200-WMA is up from
$16,126 on October 11, 2021 to $53,662 today. That is a 3.33x appreciation in the bottom price, which seems quite amazing to this here cat... best investment that has been available for everyone and anyone, as long as such persons have a discretionary income and such person choose to invest rather than trade.
Of course, having at least a 4-10 year investment timeline is helpful too, and the longer investment timelines have had the benefits of compounding value, especially if we go back even further in the cycles.
Yeah, of course, you are anxious to sell.. but that may well be upon you failing/refusing to take profits along the way and putting too much emphasis of certain tops that you would like to reach with a certain timeline.
And, we already know that dee cornz is not exactly on a schedule, even though it sometimes might seem like it is on a schedule.
We were at 109k in January 2025 when Trump had his inauguration.
You know better than that.
We had a trump pump that went from $69k-ish to $109k-ish within about 2.5 months. That was nearly a 60% price increase in a short period of time.
We also had pretty much a move from $27k in October 2023 to $109k in January 2025 - that is right around 4x..
but yeah, maybe we have to go back to the 200-WMA in order to help to calm
"ourselves" the fuck down.
No?
You might deserve either a bat slapping, or the treatment from Airplane (the movie).
We are being vastly outperformed by Gold in 2025.
Who cares?
Gold is a dying relic.
zoom out.
Gold has not done shit in the past 15 years,.. and yeah, maybe it is not fair to measure gold from its earlier 2011 top, and so sure gold is a bit of a go-to asset at the moment.. yet bitcoin is around 1,000x better than gold.. so it may take some time for the market to figure it out.
This cycle is making me question my conviction going forward about uber long term holding.
You sound over invested.
I’m selling nothing else this year at these prices but long term, maybe the gains in Bitcoin we have been so lucky to have in the past are no longer a thing. Too much leverage trading and paper Bitcoin, maybe we are done.
Bitcoin is going up forever, yet at the same time, we have to expect some leveling off..
And, we have to also expect quite a bit of manipulation.
Volatility is not going away, and sure volatility can go in either direction, and sure UP is not guaranteed.
Clearly not dead, tick tock next block but to not even 2x from 2021 is weak.
I am very disappointed.
Oh gawd.

You do deserve to sell some, even though you seem to have enough sense to not be selling too much at these prices, yet why hang onto so much bitcoin, anyhow.
You likely have plenty of profits. You could probably sell 10% to 20% and not even be very phased, and you would get rid of some of your overinvestedness.
'
Whether you save or you invest with whatever you sell is up to you. You likely have plenty of bitcoin, so why be greedy, especially if it is upsetting you so much.
You are overinvested.
Yep. We had a new ATH a mere 3 days ago, yet this is supposedly boring.
Doesn't make sense to me.
I don't celebrate every small ATH change. Do you?
Sure. I celebrate.
For the most part, many of us (perhaps royal?) have been having ongoing celebrations since late 2015. 2014 and 2015 were down and flat.. but by time we got to the end of 2015, the BTC price has been pretty much ongoingly UP since then.
Sure there have been some pauses along the way, but pretty much ongoing up since late 2015 when BTC prices were around $250... now BTC spot prices are right around 449x higher than what they were in late 2015.
Might as well look at the 200-WMA, too.
The
200-WMA was about $240 on October 11, 2015, so right now it is $53,662. So that is still right around 223.6x.. So either way, ongoing ATHs seem to be a thing, and yeah, they are still worthy of some level of excitement when they are continuing to happen, and likely not going to stop, either, even though we might experience some pausenings along the way, too.
US–China, tariffs, macro noise… whatever. Let’s stick to the tape:
~5× from ~$15k (Dec ’22) to ~$75k (Mar ’24).
~–30% pullback to ~$50k.
Then roughly ~2.5× since… but still no convincing expansion.
We’re now in Q4. It’s hard to see a clean 2× from the 2021 ATH (which was already underwhelming in fiat terms) without a decisive move soon.
I’m not trying to be a bear. But if you still believe in the current cycle (even shifted slightly into Q1 ’26), the higher-probability path might be more “new ATHs for ants” than a true hot green dildos ATH.
Let’s not be greedy or stubborn. If you want to avoid –50%/–60% drawdowns, you may need to rotate/hedge/take profits and be ready for another disappointing top unless the market reacts decisively this quarter.
ETH/alt market is still mostly underwater (not the topic of this thread, but worth noting).
Faith is there; pragmatism says the breaking point isn’t far. We’re already mid-October.
Not financial advice. Curious to hear the best bull counter-case.
There is no need for any kind of better bull counter-case, since you are free to do whatever the fuck you want, including taking some off of the table if you were expecting more, then you might not get it.
But then again, many of us already know that there are gloomy periods while bitcoin is performing quite greatly.
I recall a lot of doomer and gloomers throughout 2017 even though BTC prices went up quite greatly in that year, and even the correction did not bring us down to the lows that a lot of folks ( took their profits).
Even though you are a bit whiny, I almost sent you an smerit for laying out the "this is not enough" whiner case,. which is neither new for you or for some of the other whiners who "expected more" from dee cornz... .. but then as I was typing my response, I thought? Why reward the whiner?
wah, wah, wah.. give me my pacifier. we have had a so far 13% correction from our top from 5 days ago.. the world is ending, the world is ending... and the top is in... . wah wah wah.

At times, whining can be a bit contagious.
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45. 5796 Merit received by joker_josue (#97582) from 320 unique users in 2651 transactions
46. 5783 Merit received by Lucius (#533583) from 509 unique users in 3396 transactions
47. 5453 Merit received by cAPSLOCK (#35501) from 217 unique users in 3058 transactions
48. 5323 Merit received by Hueristic (#198573) from 197 unique users in 3057 transactions
49. 5210 Merit received by zasad@ (#2654005) from 409 unique users in 2567 transactions
50. 5101 Merit received by DireWolfM14 (#2003859) from 359 unique users in 2432 transactions
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50286. 1 Merit received by 1Cryptonutaya1 (#2080901) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50287. 1 Merit received by 1ceStorm (#2342907) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50288. 1 Merit received by 1ce (#1019784) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50289. 1 Merit received by 1camtron (#1236351) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50290. 1 Merit received by 1apayment (#1855631) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50291. 1 Merit received by 1907KFY (#1935217) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50292. 1 Merit received by 16tonn (#3560052) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50293. 1 Merit received by 15horses1donkey (#560958) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50294. 1 Merit received by 15519028115Q (#3575647) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50295. 1 Merit received by 15262kk (#291561) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50296. 1 Merit received by 14z4rus (#3669471) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50297. 1 Merit received by 1453ist (#1431126) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50298. 1 Merit received by 1453eko (#1431103) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50299. 1 Merit received by 13Winter13 (#919666) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50300. 1 Merit received by 13ex07 (#1207068) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50301. 1 Merit received by 13dizel (#1208678) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50302. 1 Merit received by 1357924680 (#333305) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50303. 1 Merit received by 12tribes (#1221082) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50304. 1 Merit received by 12assa34 (#1729394) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50305. 1 Merit received by 123tm (#848549) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50306. 1 Merit received by 123pogi123 (#2252156) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50307. 1 Merit received by 123exo123 (#1919155) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50308. 1 Merit received by 112_blockchain (#2081987) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50309. 1 Merit received by 11:11pas (#1306783) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50310. 1 Merit received by 1083ivangod (#1952712) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50311. 1 Merit received by 101Crypta (#1287691) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50312. 1 Merit received by 100x (#80115) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50313. 1 Merit received by 100steeze (#3637720) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50314. 1 Merit received by 100%_Shared_FreeBitco.in (#2531436) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50315. 1 Merit received by 100monet (#323057) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50316. 1 Merit received by 1000x (#3509491) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50317. 1 Merit received by 1000usdforwife (#1547718) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50318. 1 Merit received by 1000alasan (#2458354) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50319. 1 Merit received by 0xMuted (#3713926) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50320. 1 Merit received by 0xBrian (#2625170) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50321. 1 Merit received by 0xb100d (#1342964) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50322. 1 Merit received by 0x77 (#3316521) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50323. 1 Merit received by 0x1Knowledge (#2000899) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50324. 1 Merit received by 0vx (#2805438) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50325. 1 Merit received by 0RajA0 (#1151527) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50326. 1 Merit received by 0nion (#3614135) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50327. 1 Merit received by 0bit (#493268) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50328. 1 Merit received by 063Myxa (#1432563) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50329. 1 Merit received by 05btc (#2050202) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50330. 1 Merit received by 00RedBlack00 (#2527578) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50331. 1 Merit received by 00hello (#2471124) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50332. 1 Merit received by $--Perfect. Exchange-$. (#1140007) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50333. 1 Merit received by $imple$imon (#2060672) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50334. 1 Merit received by $BitMakeR$ (#1166812) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
50335. 0 Merit received by gwsukabokepjepang (#2536607) from 2 unique users in 2 transactions
Full list (5 MB)
Total number of users who gave away 1 or more sMerit: 26358Sample 1. 66909 Merit sent by El duderino_ (#1067333) to 874 unique users in 12085 transactions
2. 63699 Merit sent by fillippone (#1852120) to 2088 unique users in 27341 transactions
3. 63169 Merit sent by LoyceV (#459836) to 3273 unique users in 17050 transactions
4. 54395 Merit sent by JayJuanGee (#252510) to 3465 unique users in 52245 transactions
5. 54043 Merit sent by ABCbits (#359716) to 4341 unique users in 31425 transactions
6. 44308 Merit sent by vapourminer (#33156) to 3521 unique users in 30874 transactions
7. 41886 Merit sent by hugeblack (#1059082) to 2745 unique users in 14708 transactions
8. 41791 Merit sent by suchmoon (#234771) to 2887 unique users in 9154 transactions
9. 36640 Merit sent by DdmrDdmr (#1582324) to 2814 unique users in 29691 transactions
10. 36180 Merit sent by xandry (#382413) to 2451 unique users in 13380 transactions
11. 33333 Merit sent by Symmetrick (#2627711) to 2254 unique users in 16803 transactions
12. 32047 Merit sent by LFC_Bitcoin (#379487) to 1543 unique users in 13340 transactions
13. 31081 Merit sent by The Sceptical Chymist (#487418) to 1435 unique users in 10119 transactions
14. 26953 Merit sent by Welsh (#84521) to 1643 unique users in 6417 transactions
15. 26715 Merit sent by klarki (#407174) to 1984 unique users in 9706 transactions
16. 26661 Merit sent by EFS (#140584) to 1363 unique users in 6668 transactions
17. 26646 Merit sent by o_e_l_e_o (#1188543) to 2510 unique users in 9360 transactions
18. 25819 Merit sent by 1miau (#2143453) to 1315 unique users in 11613 transactions
19. 22424 Merit sent by dbshck (#153634) to 1314 unique users in 6442 transactions
20. 20982 Merit sent by pooya87 (#379147) to 1300 unique users in 9027 transactions
21. 20572 Merit sent by qwk (#24140) to 600 unique users in 6387 transactions
22. 15807 Merit sent by Halab (#1053119) to 1907 unique users in 6401 transactions
23. 15155 Merit sent by Foxpup (#55384) to 641 unique users in 5454 transactions
24. 15143 Merit sent by Vispilio (#982288) to 720 unique users in 5557 transactions
25. 15002 Merit sent by nutildah (#317618) to 1681 unique users in 6986 transactions
26. 14034 Merit sent by theymos (#35) to 1008 unique users in 1621 transactions
27. 13807 Merit sent by Pmalek (#112493) to 1127 unique users in 8513 transactions
28. 13637 Merit sent by NotATether (#2739424) to 1565 unique users in 3599 transactions
29. 13620 Merit sent by bitmover (#1554927) to 1258 unique users in 7779 transactions
30. 13341 Merit sent by Julien_Olynpic (#1166480) to 511 unique users in 6222 transactions
31. 13190 Merit sent by philipma1957 (#64507) to 1557 unique users in 6650 transactions
32. 12740 Merit sent by krogothmanhattan (#1000199) to 651 unique users in 3539 transactions
33. 12557 Merit sent by paxmao (#1192397) to 1301 unique users in 5787 transactions
34. 12350 Merit sent by CryptopreneurBrainboss (#1052091) to 1298 unique users in 7008 transactions
35. 12247 Merit sent by OgNasty (#18321) to 2889 unique users in 6597 transactions
36. 12215 Merit sent by dkbit98 (#1410401) to 1091 unique users in 7374 transactions
37. 12189 Merit sent by BlackHatCoiner (#2775483) to 791 unique users in 4096 transactions
38. 12114 Merit sent by chimk (#1202061) to 757 unique users in 4369 transactions
39. 12051 Merit sent by NeuroticFish (#257071) to 795 unique users in 5801 transactions
40. 10015 Merit sent by mikeywith (#2033515) to 536 unique users in 3903 transactions
41. 9645 Merit sent by d5000 (#85033) to 1047 unique users in 5581 transactions
42. 8734 Merit sent by DarkStar_ (#507936) to 971 unique users in 2196 transactions
43. 8712 Merit sent by bones261 (#452769) to 1032 unique users in 4239 transactions
44. 7911 Merit sent by BobLawblaw (#569455) to 327 unique users in 3244 transactions
45. 7799 Merit sent by Coolcryptovator (#1980983) to 998 unique users in 3387 transactions
46. 7693 Merit sent by OmegaStarScream (#375981) to 925 unique users in 3387 transactions
47. 7397 Merit sent by Buchi-88 (#204821) to 686 unique users in 6631 transactions
48. 7082 Merit sent by frodocooper (#988740) to 479 unique users in 2931 transactions
49. 6973 Merit sent by Hueristic (#198573) to 560 unique users in 6272 transactions
50. 6652 Merit sent by hosemary (#995810) to 476 unique users in 3775 transactions
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26309. 1 Merit sent by 3acaga (#1232502) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26310. 1 Merit sent by 360llqzc (#1300924) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26311. 1 Merit sent by 333btc (#3450760) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26312. 1 Merit sent by 3227jw (#2592839) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26313. 1 Merit sent by 2x2coindwarf (#2686612) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26314. 1 Merit sent by 2x25BT (#990097) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26315. 1 Merit sent by 2drive (#1304704) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26316. 1 Merit sent by 2andahalfBTC (#1142164) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26317. 1 Merit sent by 27QVUTZj8rgZP1 (#662730) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26318. 1 Merit sent by 27aume (#1001865) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26319. 1 Merit sent by 2342q6tegw (#1212678) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26320. 1 Merit sent by 214missy (#1285563) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26321. 1 Merit sent by 212fox (#1342293) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26322. 1 Merit sent by 1xbitpatnar (#3475604) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26323. 1 Merit sent by 1r0n (#1252002) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26324. 1 Merit sent by 1pool Ltd. (#2062862) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26325. 1 Merit sent by 1melyun (#543052) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26326. 1 Merit sent by 1cyrax00 (#964210) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26327. 1 Merit sent by 1CryptoSmurf (#1352746) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26328. 1 Merit sent by 1chempion123 (#1346880) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26329. 1 Merit sent by 1cak (#1136856) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26330. 1 Merit sent by 1amCrypt0 (#933826) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26331. 1 Merit sent by 19Nov16 (#921267) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26332. 1 Merit sent by 19nataliya12 (#1873934) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26333. 1 Merit sent by 19dimasik77 (#881779) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26334. 1 Merit sent by 1971ECPT (#3553473) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26335. 1 Merit sent by 17buratin (#1187494) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26336. 1 Merit sent by 13ex07 (#1207068) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26337. 1 Merit sent by 13Charlie (#76987) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26338. 1 Merit sent by 12retepnat34 (#1053271) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26339. 1 Merit sent by 10yearsolder (#1094878) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26340. 1 Merit sent by 10sat (#1162504) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26341. 1 Merit sent by 10casproj (#3515598) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26342. 1 Merit sent by 10BTCaDay (#396522) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26343. 1 Merit sent by 100kk (#1316426) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26344. 1 Merit sent by 100eth (#1324600) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26345. 1 Merit sent by 0xBitcoins (#2205183) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26346. 1 Merit sent by 0xBet (#3572636) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26347. 1 Merit sent by 0x0333 (#1913654) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26348. 1 Merit sent by 0vn1 (#1216048) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26349. 1 Merit sent by 0virtual (#1244555) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26350. 1 Merit sent by 0id1d (#3600764) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26351. 1 Merit sent by 0Alvaren0 (#2020991) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26352. 1 Merit sent by 01BTC (#1756786) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26353. 1 Merit sent by 01bits (#1629161) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26354. 1 Merit sent by 00HasH (#841746) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26355. 1 Merit sent by 00DKM@ (#1311705) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26356. 1 Merit sent by 00.00WIB (#3392171) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26357. 1 Merit sent by $@to$h! (#1183184) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26358. 1 Merit sent by $Talker (#1043705) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
Full list (3 MB)
Merit per day of the weekMonday 307122 (14.26%)
Tuesday 308079 (14.30%)
Wednesday 308309 (14.31%)
Thursday 329163 (15.28%)
Friday 328102 (15.23%)
Saturday 285800 (13.27%)
Sunday 286754 (13.31%)
Total: 2153329
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54. Post 65905570 (unedited backup) (by notblox1) (scraped on Fri Oct 10 21:22:49 CEST 2025) in l0tt0.com:
I believe to keep this status l0tt0.com must stay out of the radar. Keep business small, don't advertise it everywhere, etc... if it calls too much attention, becoming highly profitable and with too many people using it, authorities might even force them to comply with KYC AML stuff. Don't you think?
This could be the case with l0tt0, but I am sure dewez wants to see his website growing and having more customers playing.
It is not easy to get the right balance of staying under the radar and attracting more users to play.
i give you Plinko Mines... shit is FIRE! .....at L0tt0.com, orginals actually mean originals.. heh.
That is looking wild!

It reminds me on those old windows mine games, but with a crypto twist.
Take your time and make everything run smooth and without bugs, that is more important.
6) I updated my signature.
Congratulations!
Finally you reached a new game level, and next one is is 4 circles Senior Member

55. Post 65905412 (unedited backup) (by Paredao) (scraped on Fri Oct 10 20:46:14 CEST 2025) in Investigado em Fraude do INSS tentou comprar R$ 60 milhões em criptomoedas:
Os caras não sabem fazer nada, nem comprar uma criptomoeda... o nível de instrução das pessoas que nos rouba é baixíssimo. Lamentável, somos roubados por idiotas.
Com certeza. Veja o caso do metanol nas bebidas. Os malandros colocaram etanol de posto de gasolina achando que esse etanol também não era batizado.
Ai acabaram comprando metanol como se fosse etanol comum para misturar na bebida batizada. Que já seria uma filhadaputagem sem tamanho.
É uma burrice misturada com safadeza da pior qualidade.
56. Post 65905349 (unedited backup) (by joker_josue) (scraped on Fri Oct 10 20:30:43 CEST 2025) in Preço não para de cair. Nada mais pode ser feito.:
Dólar disparou, real em queda livre, 5,50 ja
Alguns analistas dizem que a queda deve-se a essa valorização do dolar.
https://exame.com/future-of-money/bitcoin-hoje-cripto-pode-continuar-caindo-caso-o-dolar-continue-se-fortalecendo-diz-especialista/Além disso, esta semana o Ouro voltou a valorizar.
Então, podemos estar perante uma correção de preço, com malta a liquidar para ir para ativos de baixo risco.
57. Post 65904928 (unedited backup) (by dewez) (scraped on Fri Oct 10 18:47:19 CEST 2025) in l0tt0.com:
Some games were also removed. O loved magic dice too, and also pick 7 (i think this was the name). I hope they come back in the next updates.
Pick Six? Lucky 7's? they are still there... the only game we have removed was Magic Dice.. It's been done, you can play it anywhere... so we removed it to remake it (plus with the race it wasnt fun that people could snipe a spot).
58. Post 65904565 (unedited backup) (by SquirrelJulietGarden) (scraped on Fri Oct 10 17:27:01 CEST 2025) in Is Ledger wallet still a good choice for Bitcoin storage in 2025:
I don't think Ledger is the best option. Trezor is the best choice for now, for sure.
However, despite all the criticisms, ledger devices are still safe to use. But not the best option.
They do have closed source policies, they had problems with customers data and they have a problematic mechanism to backup seed online (which is not mandatory). But nobody was able to hack a ledger device before, and all people that lost their coins using ledger were responsible for their losses.
The same is also true for Trezor, which is just as safe and they do not have those closed-source policies neither the seed online feature (But I do not think they have a better customer data policy)
Close source is not a favorite thing for a wallet with Bitcoin and cryptocurrency users. It's important as there are other hardware wallets that are open-source and have good reputation too like Trezor. So, it leaves very little reasons to choose Ledger if you want to buy a new hardware wallets. With people who already bought Ledger wallets, they can continue to use those wallets.
It's just whenever they buy new ones, let's ignore Ledger and choose Trezor or other open source hardware wallets in this list.
[LIST] Open Source Hardware Wallets.
59. Post 65903646 (unedited backup) (by babo) (scraped on Fri Oct 10 13:46:08 CEST 2025) in Brief monthly overview of the local board activity:
and it's crazy how the Nigeria section has grown so powerfully and heavily
I hope this really reflects the growth of cryptocurrencies in Nigeria.
We need ordinary people to understand the importance of bitcoin!! bitcoin is the future of us, the real future
60. Post 65903333 (unedited backup) (by God Of Thunder) (scraped on Fri Oct 10 12:16:49 CEST 2025) in 👑🏆👑BITZ.io Cryptocasino| 5 BTC Daily withdrawal | $1.5kk lvl up reward 👑🏆👑:
Hey guys, why did you abandon your Russian-language Twitter account (
https://x.com/bitz_casino)? There has been nothing new for more than a month, but you could also post memes or draw readers' attention to contests that are held in an English-language account.
And why not, for example, write that you have launched a signature campaign on this forum? It's just another reason to attract attention, and it's a good reason.

Hey xandry, I just forwarded this to my contact person, and I hope they will review it.
I also forwarded the suggestion written by bitmover.
Unfortunately, my contact is traveling from this country to that country to represent Bitz.io at various crypto meetups, casino conferences, and other events. They have a pretty busy schedule till the end of October, and they promised to give us more time at the beginning of November.
FYI - We just launched a Slot multiplier contest on the Games and Round section, which you may want to check.
PRIZE
🥇 1st - $120
🥈 2nd - $80
🥉 3rd - $50
🎖️ 4th: $35
🎖️ 5th: $15
⚡ Prizes will be sent to your Bitcoin wallet address
61. Post 65903116 (unedited backup) (by JayJuanGee) (scraped on Fri Oct 10 11:07:13 CEST 2025) in Buy Buy Buy or Sell Sell Sell?:
A person with a long-term mindset can never be an investor.
But it is people with bitcoin long term holding mentality that are considered or referred to as investors, so I am wondering where you got this your reasoning that people with long term mindset can never be investors. So tell me if they can never be investors what will they be? Your account is still new you should spend time reading some pages of the thread and get some insights it will do you a great deed.
The main objective is to collect Bitcoin and hold it for the shord term.
Are you for real?? Is that your main objective or you are speaking for everyone in your category? Sorry to disappoint you we don't do that here. Here the main objective is to collect bitcoin and hold for the long term. I won't stop you from your main objective, but you have to take this your objective elsewhere so you don't contaminate our community.
Surely members will get confused in their expression of ideas or even proclaim that everyone shares the same objectives.
This particular thread started out in March 2024, with questions about whether to buy or to sell BTC when BTC prices were in the $60k territory, and so we did largely top out in the $60ks and $70ks in early 2024 prior to the halvening, but then we also lingered between the upper $40ks and even getting back into the $70ks, and so largely staying between mid-$50k and upper $60k before breaking above that in November 2024.
So this thread did not start as an investing thread - even though the trading versus investing has frequently come up as a topic, with a lot of the participants in this thread leaning towards investing rather than trading, even though I would not proclaim trading to be off topic in this thread, even though many of us tend to be against the idea of trading bitcoin.
Although this thread started with buying and selling, I feel quite comfortable that it has turned towards Bitcoin investment.
Just because responses in the thread deviated from the original post, that does not cause the original post (or it's ideas) to no longer be on-topic, even if a large number of the posters here are speaking against the trading ideas that were contained in the OP.
At present, we have come out of a very low speed, and in just one year, Bitcoin has been able to create its maximum growth, which we have been able to achieve huge benefits through investment.
You have been registered on the forum for about 6 months longer than the start of this thread, so sure the BTC price has been pretty much continuously up during your time on the forum, at the time that this thread started and even going back to November 2022. So, yeah, we have had mostly an UP dynamic with a few periods of flat and some short term corrections... so yeah, everyone is in profits as long as they errored on the side of accumulating through buying and holding and not selling. That is what happens when we are in the price arena of all time highs.. which yeah, right now (and even today's dip down to $119,736, we have largely stayed within 5% of the ATH (of $126,272) from 3-4 days ago.
So yes. Everyone is largely in profits. The investor is likely not going to be affected, and he may well be continuing to accumulate, yet there are also investors who don't know what to do. They might not even know that an investor should not be thinking about selling (otherwise he will convert into a trader), but, yeah, guys who are new to bitcoin (such as within their first 4 years), might be confused about what they are supposed to do, and so threads like this one can be helpful to bat around ideas about what to do.
However, this thread has proven that investing in Bitcoin never causes loss.
Past performance does not guarantee future results. Sure, you can say that historically eveyone is in profits as long as they stayed focused on buying and holding.
However, it is inaccurate (and likely misleading) if you are suggesting that future profits are guaranteed based on BTC's past performance, even for investors.
As a result of investing in Bitcoin for just one year, the maximum benefit has been achieved more than twice.
So?
I would suggest the BTC price has been pretty much a steady grind up since November 2022, and if you are an investor, you should not be getting too worked up about BTC prices, especially if you have less than a whole cycle investing, unless you were agble to front load your investment, then sure, you might be o.k. and you might have average costs of your BTC below the 200-WMA, which
happens to be at $53,615 right now.
If you notice that the benefit generated by investing in Bitcoin through the DCA method is several times more than the capital you have invested in Bitcoin. Then if you can hold Bitcoin in this way for the next few years, then it will definitely be possible to achieve success in Bitcoin with the maximum benefit.
Are you planning to sell in a few years? You really think that you get maximum benefits in a few years?.. so let's say that you had been investing in BTC for 4-5 years, and let's say that the BTC price generally goes up during those 4-5 years whle you are DCA buying. Are you really in a place to maximize your benefits from merely a 4-5 year investment period of DCA buying of BTC?
Sure many guys DCA, yet there are other ways to invest, including lump sum buying and buying on dips. I am not much of a fan of buying on dips for beginner investors, even though it could have its role, especially if guys supplement in periods that they might have lump sum funds come available and they might consider front running their bitcoin investment.
62. Post 65902721 (unedited backup) (by joker_josue) (scraped on Fri Oct 10 08:45:43 CEST 2025) in Brief monthly overview of the local board activity:
Looking at this animation we can see how many changes happened in last few years, and this is only for local board.
Maybe you should create something similar using this tool but for signature campaigns.
That is an amazing idea
It just would be a bit hard to collect data.
Like payment per month and how long it lasted. For the most important signature campagins (and there are way too many of them)
I had actually already thought about this, about collecting this data to see how the BTC price has evolved over the weeks.
It's information that can be processed in many ways. Now, who's willing to go to the trouble of collecting all of this over the last 10 years or so?