AI IPOs are people rushing to have their wealth destroyed IMO. The money will not be there to flow back into Bitcoin when the bubble bursts.

I think people cheering on down are soft in the head too (unless they've got fiat on standby). We're 50% down from ATH and could do with some stability and maybe even a little up.

Is this current down linked to Trump refusing to sign the bill against CBDC.

Realmente faz total sentido, Porem acredito que as profissões que demandem de competência humana, ou de invenções não devem substituídas tão cedo, tem um filme acho que o nome é "justiça artificial" ele é muito bom e aborda conceitos de IA na justiça por exemplo, uma matéria "humana" o filme vale a pena ver e retrata bem uma sociedade com IA evoluída ao ponto de substituir quase tudo.

Caso assistam me digam oque acharam do filme e se acham que retrata bem a IA num futuro que substitua as profissões 

.io isn't generic domain, it's supposed to be owned/managed by British Indian Ocean Territory. I don't blame you, but it shows people generally don't care or know about such details.

Is it possible to add back in the AUD prices, please?

That was a pretty important bug to spot, and your detailed report made it much easier to identify and fix. Thanks for taking the time to test it thoroughly and provide clear feedback. The page is working much better because of  the work and effort from people like you.

Atualizando: Agora que a Apple revisou a conta do desenvolvedor da Sparrow na Apple Store, ela não vai ser encerrada e que por enquanto no MacOS, os usuários não serão mais alvo disso.

https://x.com/SparrowWallet/status/2069486312239894771

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Uma carteira de software multicoins que já está no mercado já há alguns anos, parece estar retornando com tudo, é a Coin Wallet (antiga coins space), ela já tem (vou destacar só os principais e deixar o link):

-Open Source
-BIP39 passphrase
-Os formatos mais recentes da rede bitcoin: Native SegWit (bc1q), Nested SegWit (3...), Legacy (1...), Taproot (bc1p)
-Suporte a rede TOR
-Hardware 2FA FIDO.
-Suporte a seed types electrum além do BIP39 (Muito legal isso, isso é raro).
-Suporta multicoins: Bitcoin, Ethereum, XRP, Solana, Monero, Litecoin, Dogecoin, Bitcoin Cash...
-Suporte a vários sistemas operacionais como windows, macOS, Linux e mobiles android e iOS.

Nova ANN: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5586579.0

@bitmover parece que temos um forte concorrente frente ao coinomi, pois essa carteira tem código aberto.

It seems to be working fine now.

For others who might see this message, the bug that I reported to bitmover related to how the BTC spot price was showing.  Here was the portion of the message that I had sent to bitmover related to the bug topic: 

I feel like mentioning a documentation I recently saw:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Alabama_Solution

Found it really impressing, and I am not posting this to point fingers at the US.
The point I am trying to make is that whenever gubbermint decides something has to be done and tries to impress its voters, there will be collateral damage.
Take for example the hunt for everything right of leftwing extremist in Europe but especially Germany, the 60 minutes about speech policing in Germany would serve as example for collateral damage equally well.

Grandma always told me "Kehre zuerst vor der eigenen Türe!" (literally translated "Clean in front of your own door/house first"). Figuratively it means we should spend time improving our very own systems/countries/selves before we start exporting/forcing upon our systems unto others.

Back out to RL where serious health issues in the family keep me quite busy.

remember in early films about computers. like they would type "hack firewall" and it would lol. hahaha i would laugh in DOS or bash...


only now wtf?? you can type that and it will hack a firewall.

f.... im old i am

In my earlier response, I forgot to mention the projection that it is quite likely that less than 1 BTC will be enough to support a sustainable withdrawal rate of $80k per year starting in about late 2039 or early 2040... .You can see the projection, even though in this older projection chart, it appears that it would be possible to sustainably withdraw $80k starting in mid-2037 to late 2037, and each of us could monitor the quantity of our BTC and also the value of the 200-WMA so that we can figure out how many BTC we need to support whatever might be our target sustainable withdrawal rate, and not all guys will consider 10% per year at the 200-WMA valuation to be sustainable, even though I discuss that withdrawal rate level in my sustainable withdrawal thread.


You are correct that for me, bitcoin has performed way better than any other asset that I had held, so a lot of options come when the asset performs well relative to other assets that we might be holding.

Ever since I got into bitcoin, there have always been questions about both the diminishing returns ideas and the ability of bitcoin to continue to go up, and surely in recent times, we have greater levels of fuckery in terms of bigger and BIGger players seeming to want to suppress bitcoin price and also putting large number of obstacles in the ability to be able to use it peer to peer and to also preserve your privacy and security.

Furthermore, as you seem to be suggesting, past performance does not guarantee future results, and so, on an individual level we are ongoingly faced with choices in regards to how much we allocate into bitcoin as compared with how much we might keep in fiat as compared to how much we might put in various other assets and/or investment opportunities, to the extent we might find those allocation locations to be reliable and/or having future price performance potential.

So of course we make choices in regards to how aggressive or how whimpy we might want to be and/or if we might believe that it is more reasonable to take some stance in between.  

Don't get me wrong.  I am always trying to find my own way out, even when I suggest that guys should try to invest into bitcoin as aggressively as they can without overdoing it, since in the end, they are the one who has to figure out and choose how aggressive they want to be and how much that it, without over doing it.


Sure.  We can take a snapshot at any particular time and find that bitcoin's performance is going to vary as compared with other assets, especially if bitcoin is in a correction period and the other asset is in a higher performance period, and so for sure there is no guarantee that bitcoin is going to outperform any other asset, even though over longer periods of time, bitcoin has so far outperformed a good number of other assets, there surely can be glitches and there can also be what if I had invested in that particular asset instead of bitcoin.  Easy to get distracted into inferior products, and yeah, maybe you will get lucky to switch, and maybe you won't?


And, of course that is your choice to figure out if you want to switch or even to change some of your allocations.  Guys have to account for their own stage in their investment journey too in terms of potentially how many bitcoin that they had already acquired would factor into the matter, and so guys are going to be at different stages of their bitcoin accumulation journey and they may or may not feel that they are able to put some or all of their value into other assets, and if guys are considering bitcoin ONLY in terms of number go up, then they might be missing some of the other reasons to be in bitcoin in terms of self-sovereignty options - even though surely we know that there are ongoing and persistent attacks on the self-sovereignty angle of bitcoin, even though it still exists and remains a strong bitcoin attribute.

Sure there are likely some commodities and/or assets that are doing great right now, and we likely realize that a lot of assets and/or commodities may well have monetary properties, as is the case for gold, and how bitcoin had been compared with gold at various times in regards to its monetary properties, so surely any of us who might attempt to appreciate bitcoin for its monetary properties, we might well reasonably assess bitcoin as having something like 1,000x better monetary properties as gold, even though currently bitcoin has a market cap that is about 1/20th of gold's market cap... and so yeah, we might not know how monetary dynamics will continue to play out, and surely there are ongoing and continued attempts to attack bitcoin's monetary properties, and those attacks may or may not end up being successful... Whether or not bitcoin's market cap ends up coming to a better "fair market" value as compared to gold could take 50 years to 200 years to work out, and surely there are no guarantees how the market will work out the matter, since fair market value is likely what others are ready, willing and able to pay, so there can be ways that assessments of "fair market value" are made, yet the assessments are wrong.

By the way, as a reminder monetary properties relate to verifiability, scarcity, fungibility, transportability, divisibility and even costs of transportation/storage and abilities to hold as a bearer instrument. .. which any depth of though should establish that bitcoin is likely the best and/or most sound money that man has ever discovered/invented.. even if there are chances that bitcoin could still end up being broken or attacked into oblivion.. possible? yes. likely?  still to be determined.

Historically, bitcoin has been the underdog.. and also difficult to attack, even though the attack vectors are internal and external and so frequently there can be lapses in confidence in terms of bitcoin's ability to get through these periods and even questions about the extent to which it might be possible to contain and/or co-opt it.


Guys who have been in bitcoin longer  may well be in better positions to sell some of their coin, whether they are at sustainable withdrawal levels or not, and sure, if you treat bitcoin as just one asset in your portfolio of a variety of assets, you might never reach sustainable withdrawal in terms of your own bitcoin stash - to the extent that the sustainable withdrawal theme continues to play out in bitcoin, and I don't see how bitcoin's sustainable withdrawal theme is broken.  

Of course, in this particular thread, guys are talking about getting to 1 bitcoin whether that is $50 per week or $500 per week or some other amount, and so some guys might be struggling to just get to a meaningfully sized bitcoin stash, to the extent that 1 BTC might be considered meaningful right now as compared with 5-30 years into the future.  It does seem to me that if guys have a relatively long investment timeline, and it is even 10 to 30 years, then it seems quite likely to me that 1 bitcoin or even quite lower quantities of bitcoin will have some reasonably decent chances of being able to support fairly large sustainable withdrawal levels, yet of course, there are never any guarantees regarding the projected abilities to later be able to start to withdraw from bitcoin in a sustainable and/or meaningful way, if that might be the purpose of accumulating bitcoin for 10-30 years or more, then at some point along the way, there may well be some goals to want to be able to start to sustainably withdraw from the BTC holdings (and not necessarily to sell large portions of it at once or to diversify into some potentially inferior asset).


It is likely that you have heard me say, on numerous occasions, that the level of aggressiveness relates to personal preferences, and whether you label your back up funds as emergency funds or not, you have to have some level of back up funds to cover any loss of income and/or increase in expenses that you might have, and sure, if you have quite a few of your expenses that had been covered by your family, then you may well not need to have as large of a back up fund.

Of course, so many of us suggest that there are needs to build up your back up funds to be at least 3 months of your expenses, which sometimes can seem like a lot of unworking cash just sitting around, and so frequently, many of us will suggest building up the bitcoin holdings at the same rate as the back up funds, and surely there still can be ways to short cut on the back up funds to some extent, yet it seems that the more and more that we invest into bitcoin, the better it would be to keep larger amounts of cash on hand, so that we never have to tap into our bitcoin at a time that is not of our own choosing, and since we may well be trying to invest into bitcoin as aggressively as we are able to invest into it (without overdoing it), then we likely are ongoingly putting money into it on a weekly basis and maybe even just figuring out ways that we can increase our discretionary income so that we would be able to put more and more into bitcoin.

You may also know that I am not a great fan of increasing aggressiveness based on our perceptions of bitcoin price movements, yet surely the stronger our cashflow management and the greater our back up funds, the more likely that we are able to push our levels of aggressiveness in bitcoin accumulation to higher levels.

For sure, many guys might struggle to ongoingly invest 10% or so of their income into bitcoin, and any guys who are able to invest 20% of their income or greater into bitcoin, they are likely going to build up their bitcoin stash faster, so there are advantages when guys can figure out ways that they are able to accomplish such high levels of bitcoin investment within the scope of their discretionary funds.. especially since it can be challenging to obtain jobs that pay so well and also to be able to also keep expenses down to such a level that the money is available for bitcoin investing.

Ultimately, even though I would be suggesting that you have to figure out your levels, I do think that you need to be making sure that you are building up some reasonable level of back up funds, especially if you are ongoingly building up your bitcoin stash too.. so maybe if you don't want to match the back up funds to the same level of the bitcoin, maybe you might want to focus on building the back up funds at half the rate, even though I have a hard time appreciating if you had put 2-3 months of your expenses(or income) into bitcoin, and if your back up funds are less than a month, that might be irresponsible and overly risky...even though it is ultimately your choice regarding both how aggressive you are going to be in your buying of bitcoin and how much risk that you are putting yourself and your bitcoin holdings in when you might be choosing to not keep a sufficient amount of cash onhand.  

And, by the way, I consider that the more that we build our bitcoin holdings, even if we might get our bitcoin holdings up to 6 months or more of our annual income, we still likely have to continue to build up our cash too, and yeah, maybe we build up the cash at a lower rate, but we likely need to keep building it up, which is likely a way of diversifying, even if our main focus would likely continue to be on building our bitcoin stash and even at the same time, our bitcoin's value might be fluctuating quite extensively in either direction, we still have to figure out ways to calculate the value of our bitcoin in reasonable ways and not get distracted by great changes in the bitcoin price and also changes in the value of the bitcoin that we are holding (and presumptively continuing to build up).


You have been registered on the forum since September 2021, so you have had opportunities to make some progress in both building up your bitcoin stack but also to make sure that you are strengthening and/or maintaining good cashflow management practices/systems.  Nearly 5 years is a good amount of time to get accustomed to bitcoin and to build at the same time. It tends to take a long time to build bitcoin holdings, and frequently, we likely feel that we are not making much if any progress.  

By the way, I just looked up your registration date, and if you had been buying $50 per week of bitcoin since September 2021, then you would have had invested $12.5k, and you would have had accumulated nearly 0.3BTC.. which surely would be a good place to be, yet if you were to want to get to 1 BTC within the next 5-10 years, you might have to increase your weekly buys to $300 or more... but yeah, sometimes we have to figure out how realistic it might be to accumulate a certain quantity of bitcoin within our own budget and what we might need to do to try to increase our discretionary funds if we might not have enough discretionary funds to meet our time and/or bitcoin accumulation targets.

Regarding your statement about being able to buy more based on "buying the dip," that seems to be a wrong way of thinking about bitcoin accumulation.  

In other words, you should be able to ongoingly buy bitcoin, and perhaps from time to time, you will get extra money that you are able to put into bitcoin, such as some kind of a bonus at work or some other income or receipt of extra money or even cutting of some expenses that causes extra funds to come available and to be available for bitcoin investing.  Once we are ongoingly buying bitcoin and we are managing our cashflows, then we are likely putting ourselves in a position to be able to take advantage of extra money when it comes in, without necessarily considering that we have to discretionarily consume with all of our extra money as soon as it comes in... Once we are investing in bitcoin and also strengthening our back up funds, we likely consider those as places that we can put extra money if and when it comes in.

Yeah and most normal people are tired of this. We can ignore some that support liberal approaches against crime because they are criminals themselves or they have family members who are criminals, they should not be listened to. Only a strong approach against crime works, nothing else has ever worked against crime!

Yeah I don't agree with that part at all. There are innocent people in prisons everywhere, in countries that do not use this kind of approach so we can't criticize Bukele for having some. The important part is whether the rate of innocents is too high for the benefit that it has caused, and it is not. In developed countries you could actually argue the exact opposite. The rate of innocent is low but it does not justify the failure against crime, they should have 0 innocents in prison how bad they are with crime in recent decades in those countries.. many career criminals are on the streets in the US, but they are not coming out of Cecot. Career criminals should be imprisoned forever.

I would, in general, agree with your points, but I would take issue with the bolded.

I feel certain there are people in Cecot who probably shouldn't be.  How many little brothers or cousins of some tatted up tough guy decided to get the same kind of tattoos to be like someone they respect?  Maybe they were even on the path to doing bad things with one of the gangs that are so famous in the area.  And then they got swept up in the mass arrests.

Collateral damage? I am certain there are some people in that big jail system that don't belong there. Unfortunately, if they ever do get out, it will have become a self-fulfilling prophecy because now that is who they are.

I find topics like that one very interesting because it's very easy to take a high horse position on one side or the other. (not saying that's what you were doing.).

Bukele used a broad brush shotgun approach to cleaning up the crime in his country and did a miraculous job of it.  But in that size of an operation, I feel it could only be certain that some mistakes were made.

Thanks for confirming. I hope it’s visible to everyone.

It is even easier to write that when you are writing from a nice place and have never had family members kidnapped and disappeared, remains never even found. I would have preferred my family members in prison over being dead and not found, so please spare me the lectures.

This collateral damage is nothing and other countries should implement even stricter measures to get rid of the evil people committing crimes. The data is on the side of Bukele, bitmover he posted a good chart. You can't refute data with anecdotes.

Sure enough that is not perfect, but if the people there are saying that this is the tradeoff that they want to make to solve the issue of crime who are we to criticize it? It does not make sense at all to criticize Bukele for that when almost the whole population is on board and we are not talking about government run surveys, you can ask real people from El Salvadore yourself. The use of these powers simply shows that the situation under previous governments has gotten so bad that there was no other way to fix this so fast without resorting to extreme measures.

It was definitely worth it, a big majority of the citizens agree with that. Collateral damage is not even 1% of the collateral damage of the crime. It is going to pass eventually, but what was accomplished in this short amount of time is impossible. Have you seen the state of crime in many places in Europe or the United States?

When people criticize human rights violations and some extreme measures that have some collateral damage they are completely forgetting all the innocent victims of rampant crime. The ignore the big collateral damage to agree with propaganda and start worrying about the small collateral damage because the media tells them to do so..

Interesting info, bitmover, thanks.

Foi a partir dos dados de um funcionário que foi possível realizar o disparo. O negocio em nenhum momento teve uma autenticação de dois fatores para fazer um envio para milhões de pessoas. É uma mistura de falta de inteligência com falta de preparo. Simplesmente não pensaram que seriam invadidos, não faz sentido.


 

That is how I see it too. If the project really needs a local signal, then checking the local rules is part of the cost of using that ccTLD.

I also recommend this book, it's been very instrumental to my understanding Bitcoin, it's simple, has feasible examples you can try out on your own for better understanding. Although the tech aspect gives me some sort of headache sometimes to fully grasp it, but I believe it would be much easier and clearer when I read the book a second time. It's very nice and engaging for a beginner. He can download the second edition and PDF version of it
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VHv-KyP_Bbfnc_z81FZ4ncdwcMtDxjkR/view

i didn't even realize i won

was just checking electrum and was like where did this come from

thx so much 🙏🏼

The image is for second edition while on Github, the book version is the 3rd one.

The 2nd edition can be downloaded
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VHv-KyP_Bbfnc_z81FZ4ncdwcMtDxjkR/view

Credit to [RESOURCES] Free bitcoin/blockchain/finance eBook.

That is how you thought about BTC, and that is why you are still trying to accumulate more BTC now, as compared with where you could have had been if you had merely focused on accumulating bitcoin in the early times that you were registered on this forum.. so for example from June 2011 until January 2013, you could have had accumulated a lot of BTC, and even better if you had focused on accumulating BTC until early 2017.


Of course, normies tend to gravitate towards round numbers, and I think that before I got into bitcoin, such as prior to 2013, many guys were shooting for 1,0000 bitcoin and even 10k bitcoin, yet it seems that even by the time that I was accumulating bitcoin from late 2014 to late 2016, there were still some guys who were talking about getting to 100 bitcoin, yet it was becoming less and less frequent, even though surely even for most of 2015, 100 bitcoin could have been fairly easily reached since the bitcoin price was in the mid $200s for an overwhelming majority of the year... so $25k to $30k, could have had been enough to accumulate 100 or more bitcoin.

So then maybe after the 2017 run up guys started to focus on accumulation levels that were between 10 bitcoin and 21 bitcoin, which might have had been reachable until the 2021 run-up... .. so then after the 2021 run up maybe these goals of reaching 1-5 bitcoin started to become goals that might have had been reachable for some guys, yet still becoming more and more difficult to even reach 1-5 bitcoin.

So yeah, now 1 bitcoin is barely reachable for newbies, even though it might be reachable by guys who had already spent some time accumulating bitcoin, perhaps over the past 4-ish years, so even a guy who had been buying around $100 worth of bitcoin every week for the past 4 years, he would have had invested right around $21k and he would have accumulated right around 0.51 BTC - which surely is a reasonably good path towards getting to a whole bitcoin or more.


Of course, the idea for any person who is seriously focusing on accumulating bitcoin, he likely needs to try to stay reasonable within his own means, and when he is reasonable within his own means, he has way better chances to not only continue to accumulate bitcoin, but to not fuck up so much that he ends up having to either stop accumulating bitcoin or worse yet to sell some of the bitcoin that he had already accumulated.

Frequently poor people have more difficult times in both ongoingly accumulating bitcoin, and also not getting tempted into selling too much bitcoin too soon.  I am not sure how to solve that problem exactly, except maybe if poor people just continue to build both their bitcoin stash and also to build up other side funds that they can spend from, yet so frequently they get tempted into wanting to spend BIG from their bitcoin holdings which would also result in their not being able to either keep stacking bitcion and/or worse yet tapping into their funds before they are able to sufficiently mature.


Well if we have a hypothetical of a guy who is right around 30 years old, and he considers that he has something like a 30 year investment timeline, then we could attempt to project out our numbers and to attempt to follow a plan that is as aggressive as we are able to be in bitcoin accumulation.

So, we could create an excel spreadsheet to try to project out our income, the cost of living,  changes in our expectations of the price of bitcoin.

There might be expectations that we are able to invest more aggressively than we are really capable of investing, and frequently, I like to suggest that if guys can ongoingly invest 10% of their income, then they are doing quite well, yet in order to accomplish such a thing of being able to invest 10% of their income for up to 30 years, they may well need to have somewhere in the ballpark of 20% to 30% of their income as discretionary funds.

Even if we take the example of a guy consistently investing $50 per week, is he also saving $50 per week and perhaps discretionarily consuming somewhere in the ballpark of $50 per week?  That would be a total of $150 per week, which may well mean that his income would need to be right around $1,500 per week which would be around $6.5k per month, which would be $78k per year... and yeah, I think that we are not talking those kinds of numbers.. .

Yet I frequently suggest that guys who have a $30k per year income (which is $2,500 per month) would be able to invest $100 per week into bitcoin.. so if we say that this person has an income of $15k per year, then that is only an income of less than $300 per week, and so if a guy is investing right around 16.7% of his income into bitcoin, then does he have enough discretionary funds available to also put into savings (back up funds) and also to discretionarily consume a similar amount?  Sure maybe those other categories need to be smaller, yet if a guy is going to be sustainable he does need back up funds and to be able to discretionarily consume.

He might be able to increase his discretionary funds by increasing his income and/or by decreasing his expenses, yet also over the years, we would expect that his income is going to go up between 3% and 5% per year (perhaps)? but the cost of living might go up by more? and surely bitcoin prices are likely to, on average, appreciate more than either his income or his costs of living.


I think that we have to attempt to tailor our projections of changes in prices and changes in our income based on attempts at realistic expectations.

If we are putting in 10% to 25% of our income into bitcoin, then surely we would make more progress if we were to be able to put anywhere close to 25% of our income into bitcoin as compared with 10%.. since with 25%, we would be able to put 1 year of our income into bitcoin within 4 years, and if we were only able to put 10% per year into bitcoin, then it may take us close to 10 years to be able to put 1 year of our income into bitcoin.

As time passes, we will be able to both measure how much of our income we had put into bitcoin, yet we will also be able to measure whether the bitcoin prices had gone up, down or sideways, and it would seem to me that there are decently good odds that BTC prices would have had gone up over the upcoming 10 years, perhaps even on average 20% or more per year, even though there are not any guarantees.

Since the spot price is all over the place I personally like to look at the 200-WMA and to consider that the 200-WMA has better chances of going up around 20% per year and that the BTC price has decently good chances to be 25% to 30% above the 200-WMA at any given time, and those kinds of measures can help to ground our own measures, and since the 200-WMA is a lagging indicator, we can make adjustments to our plans based on our paying attention to such lagging indicator.  Here's a good place to look at current 200-WMA numbers as compared with spot price and to look at historical 200-WMA numbers too.


There is nothing wrong with having a steady accumulation plan, yet even though there might be some years that you are able to accumulate more bitcoin than previous years, the trend seems to be the opposite.  Each year it is quite likely that you will not be able to accumulate as much BTC as you were able to accumulate in prior years, even though maybe your income had also gone up. So there is some value in trying to accumulate bitcoin as soon as you can and as much as you can at earlier points in time, and likely if you are looking back 10-15 years or greater down the road, you will likely see that you were able to accumulate more bitcoin in your earlier years as compared to your later years.


I doubt that any BTC trader would be able to beat the results of a guy who just ongoingly accumulates bitcoin, especially over a period of 10 years or more.  You are fooling yourself if you believe that traders have any reasonable chance to actually beat an investor over 10 years or more.  There might be some rare ones, but it would surely not be the way to have confidence in building an investment that might be building up and last 10 to 30 years.


If guys cannot figure out how to make enough money to have some left over after their basic expenses (aka establish discretionary funds), then yeah, they will not be able to invest.  Surely it is difficult for a lot of people, and some folks are able to figure out how to improve their income situations so that they are able to invest into bitcoin.  It is difficult to figure out if there is any other better place (besides bitcoin) to put time, energy and money, yet yeah, there are also needs to figure out how to increase discretionary funds, if they don't seem to be enough to actually be able to buy bitcoin on a regular and consistent basis.

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Personally, I like to try to measure targets based on our own income and perhaps trying to use our own income as something that we might want to strive to be able to replace, so if a person has an income of $15k per year and he is 30 years old, then maybe he would expect his income to double every 10 years, but ONLY if he is able to get promotions and meaningful increases in his wages.  So then he might have a target to build his bitcoin investment to be 10x the size of his income so that he can start to withdraw from his bitcoin investment.  These are not easy targets, but there are ways that making withdrawals from investments can be attempted to be sustainable rather than aiming to draw down the principle.

I can imagine that you may be correct here. In this case, what would be probably needed is to frame the prompt differently, "less obvious". An idea could be detailed questions about possible positive and negative price triggers, the probability to fail completely, etc. instead of asking "would you invest".

Until now I am also not very convinced that I would trust an AI agent to trade with my money. But in this case, I think the reason is simply outdated price data. Which is of course a weakness.

@bitmover - I rember these words, I think it gave me exactly the same answer (haven't stored it ). That may be another hint that the answer is pre-trained indeed.

Thanks for that prompt! The results look still too similar to really refute the theory of a "pre-trained" answer, it's a bit disappointing that the highest percentage was given by a "low thinking" model 

I'll take that prompt and play a bit around with it but modifying it like I wrote to @BitBrainer: trying to eliminate the idea that this could be "investment advice" and thus lead to legal problems for the chatbot operator.

Inbound channel liquidity is not needed for this, and you create outbound liquidity with the channel opening transaction. In wallets like Blixt and Phoenix, such a channel opens automatically for every coin arriving on-chain.

Yes, from such channels, I safely send Bitcoins anywhere. I think SageSwap can also confirm that even if they conduct an exchange in Standard Swap mode, they cannot determine the AML risk score for Bitcoins received via the Lightning Network because their history is untraceable.

Currently, I don't have my own payment channels. I used to have them, but they were all eventually force-closed due to technical glitches. That's why I now prefer to transfer the received Bitcoins to Bark and send them anywhere from there via Lightning.

I completely agree with you. My experience shows that sending even 0.1 BTC via Lightning can be very problematic.

Mas o ponto é esse, os pintores na época não acabaram.

Foi por causa do surgimento da fotografia, que surgiu o movimento Impressionista, depois o Expressionismo, Cubismo, Abstrato, Surrealismo, e os mais modernos.

Sabe o que é mais curioso? Os artistas mais conhecidos e que tem os seus quadros mais valiosos, são só que surgiram nesses movimentos.
Temos o Claude Monet, Renoir, Van Gogh, Cézanne (Impressionismo); o Picasso, que foi um dos pintores mais rico enquanto ainda era vivo; ou tivemos o Dali.

De facto não sabemos o que vai surgir a seguir. Mas, uma coisa é certa, tendencialmente o trabalho humano começa a ser valorizado, porque o resultado será sempre superior ao da maquina.

Claro, que os menos aptos numa "arte", ficam para trás, mas novas coisas surgiram. Não fossem os humanos, criaturas inteligentes e bem imaginativos.

Com certeza.. é como você falou, hoje um dev bom (que se adequar a essa nova realidade) vai continuar tendo seu emprego.. mas os outros serão cortados, assim como aconteceu com os pintores.. o que vão fazer? não sei.

No way. I operate Bitcoin via the Lightning Network, and here every single satoshi is equal to any other satoshi and, what's more, indistinguishable. Even CEXs can't claim that the bitcoins I deposit via Lightning are somehow tainted or "wrong." And besides Lightning, there are also Bark and Tacit (though CEXs don't accept them, to be fair). So everyone can choose which reality to live in. I choose the one where bitcoins are fungible. Even on-chain, I can send them to non-AML swap services if I ever need stablecoins or something else for some reason. And once I get bitcoin back from them, I will immediately move it into a Lightning payment channel or a Bark pool, avoiding any issues with AML abuse.

Acho que isso acaba por ser um impacto a curto prazo, principalmente para os juniores que forem apanhados no processo de transição.

Por sua vez, acho que os novos juniores a serem formados, acabam por vir com outro nível de conhecimento/informação, que vai acabar por ser útil para as empresas.

@joniboini

Just to be clear — RBF on our side works as expected. You won't run into identification issues here. As we confirmed earlier, the replaced transaction is accepted automatically as soon as it confirms. Looking forward to your bigger test, and yes — more pairs are coming. Native ETH is next.

@examplens

Fair catch! BTC→ETH direct isn't a listed pair, joniboini likely meant going through USDT or via a multi-step swap. Native ETH is in active development and will be the proper fix for that — coming soon.

@AakZaki @TryNinja @dwyane36

Thanks AakZaki for the detailed comparison and thanks TryNinja and dwyane36 for breaking down the math correctly — the explanation is exactly right.

Let's be transparent here. On small USDT swaps via Chain mode, the network costs eat a big chunk of the output. On a $30 swap, paying multiple TRX fees across the routing chain plus a destination network fee can absolutely push the effective fee to 25-30% — not because our platform fee is 30%, but because $7-9 of fixed network costs on a $30 swap is mathematically a huge percentage.

That's why our platform fee is 0.8-1.5%, **but the effective cost on tiny amounts via Chain mode is much higher**. We don't try to hide this — you can see it in the calculator before confirming the order.

What changes the math:
1. **Bigger swaps** — fixed network costs become a small share. $1,000 swap = around 1.7% all-in. $10,000 = around 1%.
2. **Fast mode** — single transaction from our own reserves, no bridge hops. Effective fee much closer to the platform 1.5%.

We're working on expanding Fast mode availability across more pairs exactly to solve this. Right now Fast is undergoing a rebuild — when it's back, the picture for small USDT cross-chain swaps will look completely different.

@bitmover @ovcijisir @Hamza2424 @joniboini @MarryWithBTC

You're absolutely right on the UI/UX feedback. The grayed-out Exchange button without clear indication of what's missing is a real problem. We're working on it.

Plan for the next UI update:
- Clear placeholder text on the refund field: "Refund address (required) — same network as the deposit"
- Inline warning if the address format doesn't match the network
- Tooltip explaining why the refund address is required

About **why** the refund is required — TryNinja explained the practical side perfectly. Sending coins back to the original sending address is risky because most users deposit from exchanges, mixers, or custodial wallets, and those addresses aren't always credit-able. The refund address lets the user explicitly tell us where to send the funds if something goes wrong.

@Chikito

Order data on your local storage stays as long as you keep the bookmark — it's saved client-side. On our side, we don't keep order history beyond the operational window needed to complete the swap.

On CPFP — that's a sender-side maneuver. If the user can't bump the fee, we technically can't either on the receiving side. The exchange would have to wait for the original transaction to either confirm or drop from the mempool. Reach out via SimpleX support if you ever hit that scenario and we'll help work through it.

@logfiles @mikel_012

Quick clarification — **we're temporarily off Monerica** because we're rebuilding XMR processing under the hood. Once the new XMR handling is fully stable, we'll be re-listed. Nothing dramatic — just a technical pause while we finish that work. No reason to worry. We'll announce when we're back on Monerica.

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You are correct, if there is a part of the exchange that should be uninterrupted, and functional anytime it is clicked, it should be the call to action button.
It is best not to make the refund address a compulsory thing. But if they choose to keep it compulsory, there should be clear pointer to make the user know that the field is compulsory and swap will not be successful if the field is not filled.

Normally, the refund address should be the address of the coin you are swapping from.

That's great, every detail has been shared with complete transparency. Now nothing remains, securing the funds is a better choice. But I thought maybe the authorities will ask you to give the funds to them.

He already got refunded so he should have stopped and inquired about it. CCE Cash has previously mentioned a case in which they mentioned the same thing, that they received high AML coins which could cause them problems, so they refunded them back.

Refusing them means more problems. A successful business doesn't want that.

So far, the CCE team is doing nothing wrong here, the person who still has not provided any essential data means something is really shady in this person. He thought he could launder money through CCE but now he got caught and is frustrated about it haha.

I am so glad that we have a platform like this in the field. I know what others will say, but that does not change the fact. If he has already been refunded once, why did he make the same transaction twice? Calling names to the manager haha, what an idiot he (morfeojm) is.

Thank God you mentioned that this data is not complete. Else your predictions may be scary for me decipher without being sentimental. Let's add all the facts first before throwing figures on the table please.

Espere até ouvir sobre os turnos da madrugada.. a pessoa vira a noite trabalhando e dorme das 7h às 15h.. acaba com a saúde e com a vida social.

Se for parar pra pensar, tem tantos problemas por ai..

Se for querer resolver tudo, ninguém trabalha.. outro dia vi nas redes sociais uma galera reclamando sobre a zona franca de Manaus, afirmando que as pessoas vão passar a vida ali apertando os mesmos parafusos..


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Exatamente, tem incentivos (oferta x demanda).. tem gente que não liga para natal, carnaval, reveillon, etc. e trata como só mais um dia comum.

Do jeito que falam, parece que todo mundo é escravo.

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O problema é que todo mundo vê essa movimentações on-chain.. e mais gente venderia junto com eles (ou antes)..

Talvez por isso o Saylor nunca quis expor seus endereços mesmo quando recebia críticas de que estava comprando "bitcoin de papel" porque o preço nunca subia após os aportes bilionários semanais.

Na Arkham só tem uns 480k bitcoins rastreados da Strategy.. mais uns 180k que estão sob custódia da Fidelity (que não faz uma divisão como a Coinbase).. ainda daria para vender uns 400k btc sem chamar atenção, mas eles relatariam essas vendas semanalmente para a SEC.. então acaba que dá na mesma, geraria muito pânico vender aos poucos.

Vender, pode vender.. mas mataria o preço e nunca seria lucrativo.

Entering a clear message or a placeholder in the refund field as "Mandatory refund address" would be a better option.

I had read where Dex or likely other privacy service explained the reason they cannot refund back to the sender address and it made sense. It is privacy related, I will try to get the post here because I was satisfied after reading it.

Update:
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     1. 35: theymos (Trust: +29 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (58) 14550 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. 11425: gmaxwell (Trust: +12 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (15) 9878 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. 33156: vapourminer (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 5307 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. 51173: mprep (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (20) 1763 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. 55384: Foxpup (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (15) 2788 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. 64507: philipma1957 (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (19) 11021 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. 65636: babo (Trust: +15 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (4) 4668 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. 78147: Cyrus (Trust: +22 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (20) 2855 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. 84521: Welsh (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (24) 3506 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. 84866: ibminer (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 2727 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. 85033: d5000 (Trust:  neutral) (DT1! (3) 9771 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. 97582: joker_josue (Trust: +8 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 6639 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. 112493: Pmalek (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 8802 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. 123824: albon (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 2109 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. 131333: wwzsocki (Trust: +16 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (0) 1525 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
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    17. 140582: gbianchi (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 2517 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. 140584: EFS (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 2157 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. 158444: hybridsole (Trust: +19 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 505 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. 164749: stompix (Trust:  neutral) (DT1! (10) 6574 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. 164822: hilariousandco (Trust: +28 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (30) 1896 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. 189967: buckrogers (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 195 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. 204821: Buchi-88 (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 2353 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. 206143: Lesbian Cow (Trust: +44 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 758 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. 216582: willi9974 (Trust: +50 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 2975 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. 252510: JayJuanGee (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (21) 13579 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. 257071: NeuroticFish (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 6230 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. 290195: achow101 (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 6738 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. 300014: DaveF (Trust: +33 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (20) 6857 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. 314792: examplens (Trust: +8 / =5 / -0) (DT1! (25) 3706 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    31. 317618: nutildah (Trust: +21 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (32) 10040 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    32. 350580: irfan_pak10 (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (2) 735 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    33. 355846: yahoo62278 (Trust: +37 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (24) 4384 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    34. 364070: bitbollo (Trust: +18 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 3799 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    35. 379147: pooya87 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 11351 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    36. 379487: LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +33 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (22) 11898 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    37. 395806: o_solo_miner (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 534 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    38. 405482: Real-Duke (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 2813 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    39. 407174: klarki (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (3) 4567 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    40. 459836: LoyceV (Trust: +32 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (62) 21035 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    41. 487418: The Sceptical Chymist (Trust: +32 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (29) 6340 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    42. 557798: TryNinja (Trust: +12 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (9) 9976 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    43. 754818: holydarkness (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (13) 1392 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    44. 805820: Lafu (Trust: +18 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (15) 4115 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    45. 830967: tweetious (Trust: +32 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 453 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    46. 839568: AakZaki (Trust: +8 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (6) 1904 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    47. 889300: giammangiato (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1492 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    48. 901859: buwaytress (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 3830 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
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    50. 932931: Ale88 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 3544 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    51. 995810: hosemary (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 6775 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    52. 1000199: krogothmanhattan (Trust: +93 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (17) 4198 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    53. 1016855: JollyGood (Trust: +21 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (17) 1957 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    54. 1045971: igebotz (Trust: +15 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (11) 2295 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    55. 1059082: hugeblack (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 4592 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    56. 1067333: El duderino_ (Trust: +26 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (12) 15571 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    57. 1097370: KTChampions (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 2283 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    58. 1099980: Trofo (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (13) 3517 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    59. 1137579: icopress (Trust: +88 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (37) 12687 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    60. 1190631: JeromeTash (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 1450 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    61. 1247226: logfiles (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 2297 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    62. 1269497: Bitcoin_Arena (Trust: +2 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (4) 2075 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    63. 1285797: GazetaBitcoin (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 9838 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    64. 1311641: tvplus006 (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (13) 2615 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    65. 1424178: mole0815 (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 3584 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    66. 1554927: bitmover (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 7484 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    67. 1582324: DdmrDdmr (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (21) 11356 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    68. 1634314: shahzadafzal (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 3258 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    69. 1724800: Lakai01 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 4189 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    70. 1827294: Husna QA (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 3419 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    71. 1852120: fillippone (Trust: +14 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (23) 20787 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    72. 1862043: cryptofrka (Trust: +17 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 2841 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    73. 1878246: abhiseshakana (Trust: +2 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (1) 2524 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    74. 1980983: The Cryptovator (Trust: +20 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (18) 2584 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    75. 1982152: lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +29 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (30) 5676 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    76. 2003859: DireWolfM14 (Trust: +19 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (20) 5735 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    77. 2015418: notblox1 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 1590 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    78. 2344286: Little Mouse (Trust: +49 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (12) 3703 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    79. 2363935: YOSHIE (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (17) 1898 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    80. 2477002: inspace (Trust: +5 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1463 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    81. 2497429: jokers10 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 4070 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    82. 2519096: Awaklara (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (6) 837 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    83. 2652924: geophphreigh (Trust: +32 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1146 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    84. 2654005: zasad@ (Trust: +3 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (7) 5612 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    85. 2658890: Rikafip (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (28) 8059 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    86. 2709122: Etranger (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 1879 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    87. 2739424: NotATether (Trust: +8 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (10) 9780 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    88. 2739454: Stalker22 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 1588 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    89. 2744352: bullrun2024bro (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 5338 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    90. 2775483: BlackHatCoiner (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 9829 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    91. 2776678: Charles-Tim (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (4) 6392 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    92. 2796662: Lillominato89 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1258 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    93. 2836461: Free Market Capitalist (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (6) 3504 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    94. 3373858: n0nce (Trust:  neutral) (DT1! (5) 6074 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    95. 3442614: YodasRedRocket (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 650 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)

DT 2
     1. 3: satoshi (Trust: +40 / =0 / -0) (8662 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. 4: sirius (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (935 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. 1268: nanotube (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. 2252: laanwj (Trust:  neutral) (50 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. 2676: casascius (Trust: +6 / =0 / -1) (193 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. 2759: midnightmagic (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (27 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. 2786: Pieter Wuille (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (203 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. 3380: Vladimir (Trust:  neutral) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. 3420: dooglus (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (335 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. 4171: Raize (Trust:  neutral) (24 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. 4528: Matt Corallo (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (15 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. 5797: grue (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (494 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. 6347: Maged (Trust:  neutral) (17 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. 6447: forrestv (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (143 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. 7351: EPiSKiNG (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. 10354: JJG (Trust:  neutral) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. 10502: SgtSpike (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (5 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. 11275: wariner (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (4 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. 11671: Kluge (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (21 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)

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On Fri 12 Jun 2026 04:51:58 AM CEST, pooya87 (history) sent 5 Merit to Dictator69 (history) for Can AI Profile Our Personalities to Guess Passwords? The @cprkrn 5 BTC Recovery.
On Fri 12 Jun 2026 04:50:12 AM CEST, tranthidung (history) sent 1 Merit to PowerGlove (history) for Re: Hidden pages/ features on the forum.
On Fri 12 Jun 2026 04:49:33 AM CEST, JayJuanGee (history) sent 1 Merit to bitmover (history) for Re: [ANN] bitcoindata.science.
On Fri 12 Jun 2026 04:45:34 AM CEST, tranthidung (history) sent 1 Merit to LoyceV (history) for Re: Hidden pages/ features on the forum.
On Fri 12 Jun 2026 04:44:53 AM CEST, tranthidung (history) sent 1 Merit to theymos (history) for Re: Hidden pages/ features on the forum.
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Yep, I was about to mention it here. They have made the refund address mandatory and their fast mode is not enabled since I last checked. Is there any reason? Like they mentioned before?

I have not read all the messages, so maybe it was discussed below.

Seems like fun. Will do it, thanks.

This will only tell you have the private key that moment, but it will not tell you the backup you have will generate the same private key next time when you restore your wallet

Can this happen in a rare case?

Same with me, I just tried to use the website but I also found that "Exchange" button is gray. At first I thought that it is just bad design, but after trying to experiment with different exchange amounts I realised that it is just not working.

Also it seems that "Fast" exchange option is not working either...

Indeed, I also considered that a weakness of Claude's answer, and in addition it can't properly measure L2 activity. Above all in the case of sidechains and Ark there can be a lot of activity completely separated from the main blockchain (although of course sidechains can be measured separately). MVRV is in theory a bit more meaningful, but it has another problem: it can't differ cleanly between transactions where the owner changes and transactions where the owner stays the same (consolidation etc.).

There is research that some AI agents have definitely bought Bitcoin or even mined it (bought resources to mine crypto), see the ROME incident where an Alibaba AI agent "got rogue".

However at least in the ROME incident it doesn't look like the "idea" of the AI was to hodl the Bitcoin for a long time, instead it was to be used to gather financial resources.

Yes, I noticed both problems. Thus in my initial question (in the OP) I framed my prompt in a way that the AIs should look for reasons to invest and reasons to invest not, and then draw a conclusion based on these reasons.

Regarding past data, framing the question in a way that the AI should really "look forward" and not look that much at cyclic data, that could also be helpful for more interesting answers.

I have now created the following prompt:

"Would you invest in Bitcoin in June 2026 at a price of 60,000$ or not? To answer this question, please try to ignore theories based on past price data (for example the four-year cycle or past bear and bull markets), and instead focus on the advantages and disadvantages of Bitcoin (for example censorship resistance, independency from banks, transaction and settlement speed and fees in comparison to other payment solutions, network effect, total addressable market, competiton with gold/precious metals, and other fundamental theories and ideas I forgot) and the state of adoption by retailer investors and institutional investors. Please ignore any bias I could have introduced with previous chats."

- duck.ai with GPT 5.3 mini: would allocate a small portion (2-5%), it considers the core arguments like censorship resistance and adoption strongly but sees the case for payments as a disadvantage, because of competition like stablecoins.
- Gemini Flash (advanced mode): Says it is a "sound" long term investment, but primarily due to "store of value" assumptions. Interesting parts of the answer include that it evaluates the competition by AI capital and the centralization issue due to the Bitcoins bought by ETF/financial companies.
- Claude Sonnet 4.6 (Free version): Doesn't want to decide clearly, but interpreting the answer, it would invest a "small" allocation inside a diversified portfolio. Says the bull and bear case are both strong. One of the most interesting ideas it brought up is that it has not performed like a "safe haven asset", and that is harming its competition with gold. But on the other hand, it assumes the fundamental advantages like censorship resistance are actually strong and it also calculates a TAM in the range of gold.

Vocês sabem se esse livro está sendo atualizado esses "novos capítulos" da vida dele em novas edições?

Eu li faz tempo, mas era uma capa diferente desta da sua foto.. emprestei para alguém e não vou poder conferir se é o mesmo.. imagino que sim.

Acho que um detalhe importante da história dele é que os avós e pais dele já tinham esse espírito mais aventureiro (no livro fala sobre alguns voos de avião).. com certeza isso também influencia bastante, muito mais que dinheiro.


Já é difícil milionário virar bilionário.. trilionário então.. só ele mesmo..

é um crescimento muito grande nos últimos 10 anos:

Tenho alguns amigos que tem a mesma opinião que o Monark expressou esses tempos, que é isso aí que falou, que tem benefícios do governo, que foi ajudado, que foi o pai etc
E nada fazem eles se abrirem para aprender ou mudar de opinião

Eu tenho 2 pontos, um é que realmente é assustador e parece até injusto alguém ter tanta grana enquanto outros não tem nada, eu gostaria que o mundo fosse mais justo e igual para todos
Dito isso, meu segundo ponto é que ele realmente é um cara diferente, é impressionante ele estar em tantos campos, desde o Paypal, carros elétricos, foguetes, viagens interplanetárias, rede social etc
Ele parece ser extremamente focado em todos os trabalhos que ele teve e tem

Enfim, ninguém é perfeito mas ele fez bastante coisa que ninguém tinha feito antes

Eu li a biografia dele, o Pai dele espancava ele e o irmaõ, Kimbal Musk, na infância. O primeiro grande negocio dele, antes até do Paypal foi a Zip2, e ela fornecia guias de cidades e diretórios online para jornais. Com a venda ele foi para a Paypal. Depos Tesla, Space, Boring, A solar que não lembro o nome. E todos com o mesmo objetivo: Inovar na área.

Então ele ser trilionário é válido pela história de seguidas inovações em nichos relativamente longe um dos outros. Mas sobre o valuation da spaceX eu acho que está bastante inflado, dado o lucro que demonstraram nos prospectos. Mas, obvio que todos querem entrar pelo futuro dela e pelo histórico do que ele fez na Tesla. E nisso eu acho que vai ser muito bom.

Para o Satoshi a comunidade devia ser voluntária as mudanças e aceitar como um todo. A regra de 95% foi criada pela comunidade, não por Satoshi, para dar maior garantias que assim seja, em 2013 se não me engano.

Basicamente o que o Satoshi dizia, é que a maioria dos utilizadores (nós) tinha de usar o novo software com a mudança na altura do bloco X, caso contrário a mudança não acontecia. Caso a maioria não usasse essa mudança ela não entraria em vigor.

Por isso normalmente uma mudança só entra em vigor se 95% do hash da rede aceitar, para evitar problemas de fork.
O que o bip110 veio dizer é que basta 55% para entrar em vigor, com um espaço de um ano para isso acontecer.

Mas, se a maioria dos nodes não aceitar a mudança, mesmo que os mineradores queiram implementar não vão conseguir.
É um pouco semelhante ao que aconteceu quando foi a implementação do Segwit.

Concordo que o Ordinals são um ponto negativo. Mas a forma como querem resolver, não resolve, apenas minimiza o seu impacto. Desmotiva? Não sei.

Como o bitmover disse, há um ano que estamos com taxas no mínimo histórico. O que impede alguém enviar um jpg para a rede em 1000 transações? Nada, é barato e cumpre o objetivo. Mais dificuldade técnica? Talvez, mas com o IA isso é feito em minutos.

Gostei, não sei porque a comunidade está contra... pra mim esse é o caminho para fazer o Bitcoin servir novamente para aquilo que realmente foi criado: "dinheiro eletrônico p2p", então tem o meu apoio para eliminar essas M**** de Odinals e Runes para uma outra rede já que eles não quiseram fazer isso antes.

Com certeza que eu também vou aproveitar da mesma forma que tu falou, porque assim como foi com o BCH, essa vai ser a única vantagem que vou tirar do fork.

Problemas.... acho que isso não vai durar mais do que um ano, e depois disso volta o congestionamento.

Exactly! Right now, there are a lot of platforms, tools, or applications that are already relevant, where it can be done already by existing AI applications; some of these are just wrappers of other AI/LLMs.

But I think what OP means here is that we must learn how to do data analysis or clean data without using A.I.? I'm confused with the image.