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Quote from: Questat on Today at 01:26:13 PM

I would also be biased, I would choose Bitcoin over other investments. However, at the same time I would be smart since Bitcoin is still considered a high-risk asset, depending on our target if we want a consistent profit, I'm pretty sure Bitcoin cannot give us that, so we also have to think of a more realistic investment.

You can consider Bitcoin as a good investment asset, you can invest money in Bitcoin. You can consider Bitcoin as a low risk or high risk asset but your practice has a same requirement of managing risk and capital well enough.

Investment into anything has risk but if you ignore risk, you will have terrible risk management and Bitcoin even has very good ROI won't be able to save you and your capital. Because Bitcoin has bull market and bear market, while with bad risk management, bear market will take out your bitcoin and money in this volatile and risky market.

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of course I'm also doing some DCA on Bitcoin, for me this is a good combination as it's important to secure regular profit to survive, Bitcoin is just secondary.

You can DCA for your accumulation and profit withdrawals while usually people talk about DCA for accumulation, not for withdrawals.
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Quote from: bitmover on Today at 12:05:53 PM

Quote from: nullius on Today at 11:36:04 AM

(In this context, “don’t use CEX” is not a valid answer; fungible money by definition can be sent to anyone.)

Exactly.

Telling other people what they should or shouldn't do with their own money goes against the ethos of Bitcoin. That's precisely what Satoshi's creation and bitcoin is about.

I saw fit to clarify, because

Quote from: nullius on November 02, 2026, 12:04:08 PM

“Not your keys, not your coins.” So, don’t use CEX. I don’t.

I routinely advocate against CEX. But context is always important. Here, we are discussing fungibility. If you have fungible money, you can send it to CEX, or you can send it to a hooker to pay for sex, or you can send it to the government to pay your taxes; it makes no difference who the payee is. If you can’t do that, then your money is nonfungible—and it’s therefore not money.

All of the stick-your-head-in-the-sand “taint doesn’t exist!” people must talk from both sides of their mouths, and blame the n00b for using CEX with tainted coins.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 12:05:53 PM

That is what banks do to us: "for your safety you can't send your money to this person".

But here, it is precisely inverted: “For your safety, you can’t send your tainted money (which we deny is tainted, because taint doesn’t exist) to the bank.”

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 10:29:35 AM

all this ideology that "taint doesnt exist" fails when it meets reality

If there is an enforcement mechanism, it exists.

As I said before, I’m an anarchist—my ideology is that laws don’t exist. I’ve declared that so-called “money laundering” doesn’t exist; it’s a made-up non-crime. But “when it meets reality”, these things do exist due to enforcement mechanisms.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 10:29:35 AM

I have a lot of UTXO received from casinos and mixers, which are all medium-high AML in most AML checkers. This is real, you can like it or not.

A few months ago a friend from my city asked to buy bitcoin from me.
I know that in a few years he will send those coins to a CEX to sell them.

He is not able to deal with such utxo and he will get coins frozen. And he will ask me what to do. Maybe he may even be requested by the CEX to get documents/information from me about where those coins came from. Actually, this shows that if you care about privacy you should care about the AML of your coins.

I decided to sell him my coins that I got from other CEX, to avoid trouble.

This is the nonfungible bagholder’s dilemma. For both ethical and pragmatic reasons, you choose to be the bagholder, instead of making the other person the bagholder.

You drain your wallet of clean coins (= more valuable NFTs), you spend your intangible costs of your time, effort, and valuable expertise, you probably need to spend out-of-pocket costs doing these “AML checks”, and you wind up holding a bag of filthy, dirty, tainted coins (= less valuable NFTs).

If you chose otherwise, you’d inflict tangible and intangible costs on the other n00b who’s gonna send your filthy, dirty coins to a CEX, lol. (In this context, “don’t use CEX” is not a valid answer; fungible money by definition can be sent to anyone.) Some of the intangible costs to them could be quite high—and could make blowback to you.

No one will thank you for making the responsible choice—which, incidentally, is also a self-protective choice. Well, I’ll thank you.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 10:29:35 AM

Bitcoin is much larger than this forum community.

When institutional investors have $billions in Bitcoin, this forum community is a drop in the bucket. It empowers them to co-opt Bitcoin for their own purposes, according to their own rules.

Quote from: nullius on November 07, 2026, 04:24:52 PM

Quote from: nullius on July 29, 2022, 07:18:13 PM

Coin taint and blacklisting are what break Bitcoin’s fungibility. BTC is an NFT: A non-fungible token, due to coin taint and blacklisting. The subset of Bitcoiners who refuse to acknowledge this are either living in a Reality Distortion Field, or still under the influence of the blockchain transparency fetishization with which Mike Hearn, et al. poisoned Bitcoin early on. I identify a lack of fungibility as the biggest long-term economic threat to Bitcoin.

Quote from: joker_josue on Today at 10:59:20 AM

I never said Bitcoin is perfect. But what has been demonstrated over the years is that the way it was designed remains effective in fulfilling its purpose.

The existence of this 82-page thread is evidence that it’s not effective at fulfilling its purpose.

Quote from: joker_josue on Today at 10:59:20 AM

If the transparency of the blockchain were such a defining flaw, one would expect that cryptocurrencies with greater privacy would have achieved a much more dominant position.

Bitcoin has had a flood of investment from big money that doesn’t give a fuck about cypherpunk values. It’s why I’m more than beginning to think that the whole “number go up” thing is, in itself, a flaw—a security vulnerability. It makes Bitcoin susceptible to being co-opted by banks, ETFs, billionaires, and CEX traders, along with a flood of n00bs who think of their Coinbase app as a magical kind of a bank account.

As you observe here, cryptocurrencies with greater privacy (ergo, fungibility) are successfully competing with Bitcoin amongst cypherpunks. When I say that I must treat BTC as a hot potato to dump for ZEC/XMR, it is both a self-protective necessity, and a vote with my wallet.

Quote from: joker_josue on Today at 10:59:20 AM

Another point we must consider is the context in which Bitcoin was created. The goal was to allow people to have greater control over their money, without depending on third parties to validate their transactions. Blockchain transparency plays an important role in this model, allowing verification that no one is violating or abusing the system, by anyone.

Blockchain transparency is not necessary for this purpose. Both Zcash and Monero provide the verification that you describe, without blockchain transparency.

They didn’t exist when Satoshi was active. Satoshi didn’t know how to build them. Within the past few pages of this thread, I’ve documented how in 2013, major Bitcoin developers such as Hal Finney, Greg Maxwell, and Adam Back were interested in applying new technologies to solve this problem:

Quote from: nullius on November 02, 2026, 10:19:21 AM

This post will eventually have the maximum 100 merits from me. The list of people who have sent it merit thus far is interesting: Bitcoin experts and legends, privacy advocates, both Zcash and Monero users.

Quote from: satoshi on August 11, 2010, 12:14:22 AM

Merited by nullius (50), garlonicon (20), o_e_l_e_o (4), Foxpup (3), ABCbits (2), Hueristic (1), BitcoinFX (1)

[...] The challenge is, how do you prove that no other spends exist? [...] It's hard to think of how to apply zero-knowledge-proofs in this case. [...] We're trying to prove the absence of something, which seems to require knowing about all and checking that the something isn't included.

Quote from: joker_josue on Today at 10:59:20 AM

Naturally, this brought limitations in terms of privacy. But we cannot analyze this characteristic only by its disadvantages, ignoring the role it played in building a decentralized and verifiable system.

It can be improved, yes. Does it make sense to do it now? I don't think so anymore. It's up to the community to create solutions that can allow these disadvantages to be overcome.

That comes dangerously close to declaring Bitcoin obsolete.

Quote from: joker_josue on Today at 10:59:20 AM

If people start using BTC directly for payments, instead of constantly relying on conversion to fiat currency, we will be reducing the need to resort to intermediaries and, consequently, exposure to some of these restrictions. Because that was the idea behind Bitcoin: to eliminate intermediaries.

Perhaps it would be important to promote more acceptance of BTC as a means of payment by businesses and service providers.

I believe this would be a very important step towards achieving true financial freedom.

The XMR community has done the best of anyone to work towards building exactly what you say, with XMR: Work for XMR, get paid in XMR, buy everything you need in XMR, live within the XMR economy. They know this ideal, and they’ve been pushing for it hard.

The resilience, zealousness (unfortunately, sometimes to a fault), and creativity of their community is why I tacitly support XMR, even though I consider their privacy technology strictly inferior to Zcash.

You still haven’t explained to me why I should stick with BTC, instead of using XMR for the stated purpose and pushing for ZEC to get the same thing.

Quote from: joker_josue on Today at 10:59:20 AM

Maybe I'm being utopian, maybe. But, since I don't like to change the rules of the game after it's already started, I think it makes more sense to focus on what we can do with what we have, and not on what could have been done from the beginning.

That’s not Utopian at all. To be Utopian is to envision an XMR circular economy where everyone lives from XMR, and then work to build it. What you say sounds more like, “deeply invested in BTC and want number to go up, so no competition, please”.

I’ll be too polite to remark on “I don't like to change the rules of the game”, when Bitcoin was invented to change the rules of the game.

I give up on trying to keep up with replies that come in while I’m writing and previewing.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 10:29:35 AM

I have a lot of UTXO received from casinos and mixers, which are all medium-high AML in most AML checkers. This is real, you can like it or not.

I do not doubt that exchanges apply it. It is very real if you rely on these exchanges. But it is also made up. And because it is made up, any score that tries to predict where the next tainted coin is, is also made up.

There is no way we could all agree that X group of coins is tainted, and the rest of the coins are clean. Some scores will flag X coins, some will flag Y. These tools rely on heuristics that are unreliable, and completely overlook the fact that an exchange can just decide to clean some coins because it's the exchange.

If you don't care about the privacy of your coins, you can just comply with it, but you still risk having your coins flagged.

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Quote from: bitmover on November 07, 2026, 07:28:03 PM

Also, I don't want to send high AML coins which I received to people who I know are not able to deal with them.

Why would the people in charge of this operation allow you to simply tell whether your coins are "high risk"? Have you ever paused and pondered about that? If there is an algorithm that reads my coin and tells me if it is tainted and why, then I can just not do the steps that makes it tainted.

So the fact that someone's selling these scores as a service means that they can very well be made up. Just as taint is made up.

Quote from: mindrust on November 07, 2026, 06:58:25 PM

Quote from: bitmover on November 07, 2026, 06:06:35 PM

Quote from: mindrust on November 07, 2026, 01:51:29 PM

Most people who don't have a basic sense of cyber security shouldn't be dealing with crypto in the first place.

I disagree.

I have a friend who doesn't understand a shit about cryptography and computers and he holds nearly 1 btc... in a bank owned crypto exchange and there is no btc withdrawal option available. (sounds dumb right?)

He is doing this because he doesn't even understand hw wallets and he doesn't want to. He is pretty sure he would mess it up too and some people who happen to use hw wallets indeed messed it up and lost coins. He read the news. He would rather trust a bank and he calls himself a bitcoin investor, which is true but that's not the reason most people here invest in btc for. (we are not only interested in the price, we want independence too)

Hw wallets create a false sense of security for the wrong people and that's pretty dangerous.

Self custody isn't mandatory.
I'd say to the contrary, if any platform wants to act as a custodian, they should put themselves under heavy scrutiny and provide proof of reserves to customers. Independent accountants once a year don't cover the technical capabilities bitcoin offers.

Even through I understand crypto pretty well I'd say I find myself holding decent amounts on centralised platforms. The convenience of being able to convert your crypto in real time to make payments in locations where the only payment option is a MasterCard/Visa terminal is pretty convenient.

It would be nice if the crypto industry enforced this standards through self regulation. But banking standards are completely inadequate to showcase a crypto service isn't bankrupt in the traditional sense because so many new factors are introduced. Holding crypto in a custodian platform could also offer certain protections if these standards were applied though. Bitmex and Kraken already have something similar. Most other platforms don't.

The concern to not hold deposits of crypto to custodian platforms is valid, but it doesn't mean people who don't hold technical knowledge shouldn't touch crypto. Some of the responsibility also falls on regulators for failing to do their supposed job securing clients of financial platforms. And also the platforms themselves

Quote from: bitmover on November 03, 2026, 09:14:44 PM

Quote from: Forsyth Jones on October 19, 2026, 09:29:22 PM

It seems the representative @b1ack has been somewhat inactive lately, his last interaction in his own ANN was on 2026/06/21, which is practically 03 months ago, and his last interactions are in giveaway organizations, where his last post was made on the same date, 2026/06/21.

The representative needs to be attentive to what is happening in the ANN.

This is indeed a long time.

Certainly makes everyone worried, and I would personally avoid making swaps until the official representative shows up in the forum with some posts.

There was a problem with the second instant exchange (0trace) and the lack of communication is the first sign of a problem.
I supported the initiative to warn all potential users and refrain from using b1exch until someone officially comes forward and explains what is happening.
There is no justification for them to operate in complete secrecy, just as there is no need for us to have new dissatisfied users here.

So, for now, stay away from b1exch.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 06:06:35 PM

Quote from: mindrust on Today at 01:51:29 PM

Most people who don't have a basic sense of cyber security shouldn't be dealing with crypto in the first place.

I disagree.

I have a friend who doesn't understand a shit about cryptography and computers and he holds nearly 1 btc... in a bank owned crypto exchange and there is no btc withdrawal option available. (sounds dumb right?)

He is doing this because he doesn't even understand hw wallets and he doesn't want to. He is pretty sure he would mess it up too and some people who happen to use hw wallets indeed messed it up and lost coins. He read the news. He would rather trust a bank and he calls himself a bitcoin investor, which is true but that's not the reason most people here invest in btc for.

Hw wallets create a false sense of security for the wrong people and that's pretty dangerous.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 11:01:12 AM

...
Cara outro ponto importante. Por que voce ta vendendo na binance?
La nao tem a isenção de 35k mensais pq ela é uma corretora gringa.

Você pode ser cobrado imposto a toa pela receita.
Usa uma brasileira.

A Binance já não está "abrasileirada"?

Digo, após esses tramites que ela teve, migração de contas, comprou e está usando a Sim;paul, e agora a transferência de contas...
Já não estaria toda no Brasil tendo a isenção dos 35k?

Fiquei em dúvida agora Huh

Quote from: nullius on Today at 04:24:52 PM

Eh? You encourage AML checks. ~

Quote from: NotATether on December 11, 2023, 02:52:26 PM

[ANN] BitMixList.org - XMR <=> BTC - AML Score Checker - Bitcoin Mixer List
Merited by klarki (100), bitmover (15), ABCbits (13), LoyceV (12), n0nce (10),

Please don't make assumptions about my intentions.
First, my Merit doesn't mean I agree to every part of a post, nor do I encourage everything in there. It simply means I think the post is worth reading.
Second, that topic started out as [ANN] BitMixList.com - Bitcoin Mixer List and got edited later. I sent those 12 Merits on Tue 12 Dec 2023 11:22:31 AM CET, and when the title wasn't edited yet.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 01:17:00 PM

Será que isso não é consequência do hack no mercadobitcoin?

Duvido que o nubank tenha uma infraestrutura propria ele deve usar a liquidez de terceiro, possivelmente o mercadobitcoin.

Eu apostaria na Paxos.. já que o MP também caiu e as transações de ambas devem ser processadas pela Paxos (também teve reclamações do PayPal, que também usa Paxos).. mas como a Paxos não mostrou nenhum alerta em seu status, talvez tenha alguma ligação com a Chainalysis que tomou um ataque nessa semana..

Eles trabalham com a Chainalysis desde 2024:

Quote from: https://nu.com/en/newsroom/company/nubank-announces-sending-and-receiving-cryptocurrencies-directly-through-the-platform

Compliance and Security is a priority for Nubank
Nubank is working with Chainalysis, the blockchain data platform, to set a high standard of compliance for all crypto transactions. This collaboration aims to further protect customers.

Blockchain technology, known for its versatility in asset tokenization, smart contract execution, and fast transfers, has become an essential foundation for transaction security and efficiency. Beyond its conventional applications, Nubank is actively leveraging Chainalysis technology to monitor addresses on the blockchain, identifying and disrupting any suspicious activity or activities associated with illicit activities.

Não sei se já publicaram uma explicação.. mas deve ser algo pequeno que já devem ter resolvido.

Quote from: LoyceV on Today at 09:07:02 AM

"Taint" only exists if people want it to exist, and the companies who's business model is to sell "the notion of taint" are good at convincing more and more people they need to pay them for their "services".

Eh? You encourage AML checks. (No offense to NotATether; I understand why they offer this. My point is that taint is real—and it’s grown to be something it wasn’t four years ago.)

Quote from: NotATether on December 11, 2023, 02:52:26 PM

[ANN] BitMixList.org - XMR <=> BTC - AML Score Checker - Bitcoin Mixer List
Merited by klarki (100), bitmover (15), ABCbits (13), LoyceV (12), n0nce (10), NeuroticFish (5), Pmalek (5), OmegaStarScream (4), TryNinja (3), dkbit98 (3), nc50lc (2), Husna QA (2), suchmoon (1), hugeblack (1), DireWolfM14 (1), RGBTC (1), Bitcoin_Arena (1), AakZaki (1), m2017 (1), God Of Thunder (1), Helena Yu (1), Trêvoid (1)

Bitcoin Historical Context

Quote from: ABCbits on Today at 09:23:00 AM

Quote from: nullius on November 06, 2026, 10:42:12 PM

Please take the long view. This fight started not later than 2011—perhaps earlier; a more knowledgeable Bitcoin historian would need to elucidate.
I didn't know someone speculate such possibility long time ago, although it's disappointing he consider it as something that shouldn't be feared.

I think one of the problems is, most Bitcoiners lack adequate historical context to see the implications of this thread.

You are far more knowledeable than most forum users, so please don’t take insult as I illustrate this example:

The upper bound (latest possible time) for when you (u=359716) first discovered Bitcoin is 2014. (Not asking. None of my business.) Thus, if I tell you that Gavin (u=224) “verified” Faketoshi in 2016, or if I talk to you about the personalities involved in the 2017 Jihancoin hardfork, I don’t need to explain. You may know many parts of this better than I do! If you talk to a newbie who discovered Bitcoin in 2020, you may guide them to read old forum threads about Faketoshi, and about the fork wars, etc.

If I discuss my suspicion that Gavin (u=224) may have been compromised by the CIA, you may know why; even though the most relevant thread was in 2011, it’s one of the most (in)famous old threads on the forum.

Yet if even you don’t know that this...

Quote from: ABCbits on Today at 09:23:00 AM

It reminds me of statement from one of former US official few years ago.

Quote from: https://www.theblock.co/news/regulation/2023-12-26-bitcoin-faces-risk-of-protocol-level-censorship-as-miners-under-increasing-regulatory-pressure-267759

Carole House, a former White House director for cybersecurity and secure digital innovation, who is now executive in residence at Terranet Ventures, spoke at the DeCenter Spring Conference at Princeton University in April, proposing exactly that.

In her speech, House suggested that it would be great if miners, as well as validators of proof-of-stake blockchains, came together and agreed not to mine OFAC-blacklisted transactions, as well as not to build upon blocks with such transactions. She also noted that having as much hashpower as possible in the U.S., where miners have to comply with the sanctions, would help make that vision a reality.

It's essentially 51% attack under disguise of "OFAC compliant".

...is indeed only the later iteration of a plan first discussed in 2011, (and maybe even earlier that I don’t know about?)...
By the way, I observe that Hearn posted this topic ten days before Gavin announced that he was visiting the CIA; see also the alleged Satoshi email quoted below:

Quote from: Mike Hearn on April 17, 2011, 08:59:59 AM

From time to time governments freeze the assets of people or organizations they believe to be criminal. [...] BitCoins apparent inability to do this will certainly make law enforcement uncomfortable with the concept.

But in reality, by the time BitCoin is large enough for this to be a real issue it will be quite possible to freeze bitcoins by requiring miners to exclude transactions from blacklisted addresses.

I infer that you read it, ABCbits; I quote it for others.

...then, I guess that most of the discussion of this 81-page thread probably lacks for historical context.

Why am I freaking out about the mixer advertising ban? I don’t need mixers, and I was never in their paid signature campaigns. I see this in the big picture, in the historical context of the past 15 years. Step by step, Bitcoin is being transformed from a system of freedom into a weapon for crushing oppression.

I intend soon to make a new thread showing some old threads that I know, and inviting others to do similarly.

Check Post History

Once again, none of what I say here is new for me.

Quote from: nullius on March 15, 2021, 06:01:29 AM

If different same-sized pieces of a currency have different values, then it is not a currency at all: It is a chaotic mess of non-fungible tokens. (This is what Mike Hearn wanted; and where is he now?)

Quote from: nullius on February 25, 2020, 01:30:55 PM

Quote

From: Satoshi Nakamoto <satoshin@gmx.com>
Date: Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 3:40 PM
To: Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net>

[...]

I've moved on to other things. It's [Bitcoin is] in good hands with Gavin and everyone.

So, this unauthenticated e-mail was allegedly sent by Satoshi to Mike Mr Surveillance & Taint Hearn four days before Gavin Andresen publicly announced his visit to the CIA:

Subject: Gavin will visit the CIA

Quote from: Gavin Andresen on April 27, 2011, 07:00:26 PM

I want to get this out in the open because it is the kind of thing that will generate conspiracy theories: I'm going to give a presentation about Bitcoin at CIA headquarters in June at an emerging technologies conference for the US intelligence community.

Quote from: nullius on July 29, 2022, 07:18:13 PM

Coin taint and blacklisting are what break Bitcoin’s fungibility. BTC is an NFT: A non-fungible token, due to coin taint and blacklisting. The subset of Bitcoiners who refuse to acknowledge this are either living in a Reality Distortion Field, or still under the influence of the blockchain transparency fetishization with which Mike Hearn, et al. poisoned Bitcoin early on. I identify a lack of fungibility as the biggest long-term economic threat to Bitcoin.

Quote from: joker_josue on Today at 09:31:35 AM

Is the problem AI? No.

Disagreed, but that’s off-topic.

Quote from: joker_josue on Today at 09:31:35 AM

Is Bitcoin to blame? No.
Was it the fault of whoever created Bitcoin? No.
People just like to take advantage of what they have that's good.

That view is both totally passive, and outright nihilistic.

Quote from: joker_josue on Today at 09:31:35 AM

The best proof that Bitcoin is private is that to this day no one has been able to discover who its creator is. You could say that he didn't touch his Bitcoin. He didn't touch that Bitcoin that was known to be his. And the other one? We don't know.

That assumes a whole string of facts not in evidence. Even assuming all those facts arguendo, all it would show is that it’s hard to dox the coins of someone who mined anonymously on a desktop PC in 2009. For those of us who didn’t, it’s irrelevant. It’s also irrelevant to further usage of those coins; as soon as a 2009-era anonymous miner moves the coins, they go into circulation like any others, and are thereafter subject to all of the same privacy and fungibility problems.

Quote from: satscraper on Today at 09:59:30 AM

As I understand it, you’re trying to blow against the wind.

You could have said the same thing to Satoshi in 2008. Some people aren’t so passive.

Quote from: satscraper on Today at 09:59:30 AM

What should I say about that...probably nothing, except that every man is the smith of his own rough luck.

This is the type of response that gets Bitcoin accused of a cultlike mentality. If I’d written about problems with the banking system (where I could’ve made a ton of money when I was younger), then you’d give me three cheers. Instead, I wrote about real problems with Bitcoin—and I showed some historical context of how Bitcoin developers tried to fix those problems in 2013. You reply that it’s basically just my fault that I didn’t corrupt my principles with FOMO for HODL moons. 🚀

I reject a system that doesn’t give me freedom. Isn’t Bitcoin supposed to be about freedom? I didn’t come to Bitcoin for financial speculation, and I’m more than beginning to agree with those who say the speculation aspect is a bad thing. It corrupts.

Quote from: satscraper on Today at 09:59:30 AM

As LoyceV said, “the taint” here is nothing more than perception, and it seems you took this stuff seriously, just as the government wanted.

So, it’s all in my head? If I get funds frozen under shotgun KYC because of taint, will you guarantee my transaction, and make me whole with money from your own wallet? Or will you tell me it’s “nothing more than perception” that my funds were frozen?

This is gaslighting—with a twist: You’re in denial of the real impact of taint. See also my above self-quote about a “Reality Distortion Field”.

Quote from: satscraper on Today at 09:59:30 AM

I didn’t.

Yes, you do. Your signature, avatar, and personal text currently advertise “AntiSwap.io - NO AML/KYC EXCHANGER MONITORING”, which would not need to exist without taint and “AML” problems.

Whereas I’m the only one in this thread who absolutely rejects the concept of taint. I shall never, ever use an “AML checker”. I swear on my PGP key.

Quote from: nullius on October 30, 2026, 10:16:23 PM

Quote from: nullius (DRAFT)

I could be open-minded about getting my dick stomped on an anvil [sexually explicit link]; I am absolutely closed-minded about “AML checkers”.

You may also want to inform some other benighted rubes that taint is all in their heads, such as NotATether, or...

Quote from: nullius on October 30, 2026, 10:16:23 PM

Quote from: PrivacyG on October 30, 2026, 09:34:33 PM

I put my Address in to the b1exch Anti Money Laundering checking tool for the first time this year, and considering my threat level I should be tied up and locked in a dark, damp cell right now!

No offense to said “benighted rubes”, whom I personally respect. We’ve all gotta deal with the real world somehow. My own choice to deal with it is henceforth to treat a Bitcoin UTXO as a hot potato. I will hold ZEC and some XMR, use exchanges with strict no-KYC policies, and never, ever use an “AML checker”.

Anyway, satscraper, your account was registered in 2022; perhaps you may want to learn the history of taint, before you try to teach others about it.

Quote from: Mike Hearn on March 23, 2013, 10:04:50 PM

One of most commonly raised issues with Bitcoin is that of crime and punishment. Over the past 40 years our societies have, through both fair means and foul, built an integrated anti-money laundering system that attempts to let governments trace the proceeds of crime.

[...] Blacklist providers maintain sets of outputs that are blacklisted or tainted in some way, for instance because the owner reported them stolen or because it’s believed they are owned by some criminal enterprise. [...]

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 02:56:27 PM

For example, I made a travel but I needed to make a bitcoin payment related to this. I shouldn't carry my hardware wallet and all my life savings to the trip.

For such occasions, I prefer to bring my "spare laptop", and make a pay-to-many transaction in Electrum. It saves on fees. But don't mind me, I simply like any Linux PC with a real keyboard much more than a phone.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 01:19:24 PM

Quote from: alani123 on Today at 01:37:24 AM

Quote from: mindrust on November 06, 2026, 08:18:34 PM

If you don't have a very very specific reason to own a hardware wallet, It means you don't need it. Most people don't need a hardware wallet. They need a well secured linux box (preferably offline but only if you are sending/receiving transactions online is OK too) and a piece of paper as a backup. That's a much better solution than a hardware wallet.

Well, the hardware wallet comes with the supposed benefit of having a secure environment out of the box. Most people can't update their software alone, let alone set up a secure linux environment by themselves in a trustless way.

Most people doesn't even know what is a Linux.

I can guarantee that 99% of the people have no what idea of what a ' secured linux box' is, and shouldn't be trying to use one, because they lack the knowledge to do that correctly.

Hardware wallets are for these 99% people

Most people who don't have a basic sense of cyber security shouldn't be dealing with crypto in the first place. Hardware wallet isn't making it easier for them, in fact if they insist on staying dumb, they'll lose their coins eventually in the worst possible time.

They better trust banks with their money at this point if they can't bear the responsibility of securing a private key/seed words which is just a combination of a few words/letters.

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NEW merit.all.txt (59 MB) is available in user-sized chunks at loyce.club/Merit/merit.all/459836.txt (change userID for each user) for userscript processing.

theymos' data (human readable format, including usernames and post titles)
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On Fri 30 Oct 2026 03:50:45 AM CET, xhomerx10 (history) sent 1 Merit to Richy_T (history) for Re: Automated posting.
On Fri 30 Oct 2026 03:48:18 AM CET, xhomerx10 (history) sent 1 Merit to heslo (history) for Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion.
On Fri 30 Oct 2026 03:48:05 AM CET, OgNasty (history) sent 1 Merit to Richy_T (history) for Re: Automated posting.
On Fri 30 Oct 2026 03:47:35 AM CET, JayJuanGee (history) sent 1 Merit to heslo (history) for Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion.
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241: QuantumMechanic
244: nixoid
251: wobber
262: chaord
267: virtualcoin
269: Bitcoiner
270: llama
271: Timo Y
274: limikael
284: joey.rich
288: Stone Man
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3769360: CryptoVertex7
3769597: GGGary33
3769613: swap.thorchain.org
3769704: Munshi Prem Chand
3769762: noMEMEwork
3769768: Chad221
3769779: roulettedojo
3769859: mrpcrypto26
3769889: nwillems
3769913: theresinada5b4
3769956: accsnake
3769973: PedroMoisesss
3769995: WW Downloader
3769999: Reroll.gg
3770060: Secksthemex
3770125: ElDorado_21
3770135: Obsidian Games
3770278: Rezo37
3770295: Black_Onyx
3770308: p2pie
3770323: khpalcoin
3770340: MissyMiningCat
3770372: jetLA
3770414: adbench
3770521: Falco Volpe
3770595: varnda
3770612: bitrox
3770667: SleepycatSwap
3770700: Queen Amara Belle
3770776: SirTom7891
3770783: BiggerZ.com
3770794: ClubChess.Net
3771105: blackisbeauty
3771123: ccc.io
3771157: Geofingerprintgeo
3771268: kemoth00
3771322: twentynine.io
3771337: giantlife
3771348: AnonChangeCom
3771354: rapingabuser
3771379: Anonym Browser
3771430: vpuravida
3771456: DICE777
3771511: Alt112
3771572: casbuy1909
3771641: woopmedia
3771781: u.software
3772229: overdog_bet
3772339: Netzfluss
3772436: noxswap

Full list (2 MB)

UserIDs, sent Merit and earned Merit machine readable
Sample

Code:

0:569:0
3:0:8954
4:0:935
10:0:1
11:0:19
12:0:2
13:3:99
14:0:13
21:0:2
23:0:1
24:0:10
26:0:19
27:0:60
28:0:16
29:0:4
30:380:800
31:0:1
33:0:27
34:0:4
35:14655:15465
37:0:6
40:0:4
42:0:69
49:0:5
51:0:2
97:0:2
101:0:2
143:0:2792
145:0:2
146:0:4
163:0:21
182:1:0
183:9:1
198:2:87
203:68:311
206:0:14
217:3:36
224:0:1498
237:0:6
241:0:9
244:0:1
251:0:1
262:0:1
267:0:2
269:0:2
270:0:57
271:0:1
274:0:42
284:0:6
288:0:11
.......
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3769360:0:1
3769597:0:1
3769613:3:7
3769704:3:18
3769762:0:3
3769768:0:4
3769779:0:4
3769859:0:2
3769889:0:1
3769913:0:1
3769956:0:1
3769973:0:1
3769995:0:1
3769999:0:23
3770060:0:1
3770125:0:8
3770135:0:1
3770278:0:2
3770295:0:3
3770308:0:4
3770323:0:1
3770340:0:11
3770372:0:5
3770414:0:8
3770521:0:2
3770595:0:1
3770612:0:1
3770667:2:23
3770700:0:1
3770776:0:1
3770783:0:22
3770794:0:1
3771105:0:4
3771123:0:20
3771157:0:1
3771268:0:2
3771322:0:3
3771337:0:1
3771348:15:36
3771354:0:1
3771379:0:1
3771430:0:1
3771456:0:1
3771511:0:5
3771572:0:1
3771641:0:2
3771781:0:3
3772229:0:1
3772339:0:4
3772436:0:2

Full list (1 MB)

Total number of users who received 1 or more Merit: 51991
Sample

Code:

1. 22036 Merit received by LoyceV (#459836) from 1138 unique users in 12805 transactions
2. 21817 Merit received by fillippone (#1852120) from 783 unique users in 11884 transactions
3. 18984 Merit received by o_e_l_e_o (#1188543) from 801 unique users in 10006 transactions
4. 15797 Merit received by El duderino_ (#1067333) from 482 unique users in 9048 transactions
5. 15465 Merit received by theymos (#35) from 1245 unique users in 5666 transactions
6. 14198 Merit received by JayJuanGee (#252510) from 750 unique users in 9313 transactions
7. 13694 Merit received by icopress (#1137579) from 624 unique users in 5112 transactions
8. 12560 Merit received by cygan (#27470) from 554 unique users in 6436 transactions
9. 12436 Merit received by LFC_Bitcoin (#379487) from 513 unique users in 6792 transactions
10. 11957 Merit received by Symmetrick (#2627711) from 773 unique users in 6854 transactions
11. 11715 Merit received by pooya87 (#379147) from 627 unique users in 6850 transactions
12. 11625 Merit received by philipma1957 (#64507) from 596 unique users in 6694 transactions
13. 11408 Merit received by DdmrDdmr (#1582324) from 655 unique users in 6484 transactions
14. 11135 Merit received by nutildah (#317618) from 690 unique users in 6000 transactions
15. 10922 Merit received by xhomerx10 (#120694) from 332 unique users in 5563 transactions
16. 10867 Merit received by TryNinja (#557798) from 573 unique users in 4793 transactions
17. 10663 Merit received by gmaxwell (#11425) from 348 unique users in 3903 transactions
18. 10548 Merit received by NotATether (#2739424) from 562 unique users in 4849 transactions
19. 10392 Merit received by GazetaBitcoin (#1285797) from 409 unique users in 3627 transactions
20. 10391 Merit received by d5000 (#85033) from 471 unique users in 5604 transactions
21. 10234 Merit received by BlackHatCoiner (#2775483) from 482 unique users in 5135 transactions
22. 9462 Merit received by ABCbits (#359716) from 546 unique users in 5147 transactions
23. 9326 Merit received by Pmalek (#112493) from 598 unique users in 5513 transactions
24. 9308 Merit received by nc50lc (#1237156) from 422 unique users in 4818 transactions
25. 8954 Merit received by satoshi (#3) from 415 unique users in 946 transactions
26. 8952 Merit received by dkbit98 (#1410401) from 462 unique users in 5321 transactions
27. 8626 Merit received by suchmoon (#234771) from 576 unique users in 4893 transactions
28. 8618 Merit received by Rikafip (#2658890) from 469 unique users in 4715 transactions
29. 7917 Merit received by bitmover (#1554927) from 615 unique users in 4731 transactions
30. 7664 Merit received by AlcoHoDL (#998490) from 204 unique users in 4377 transactions
31. 7614 Merit received by 1miau (#2143453) from 496 unique users in 4138 transactions
32. 7371 Merit received by PowerGlove (#3486361) from 235 unique users in 1893 transactions
33. 7318 Merit received by cAPSLOCK (#35501) from 231 unique users in 4159 transactions
34. 7239 Merit received by mikeywith (#2033515) from 407 unique users in 3692 transactions
35. 7198 Merit received by hosemary (#995810) from 422 unique users in 3984 transactions
36. 7143 Merit received by joker_josue (#97582) from 364 unique users in 3412 transactions
37. 7134 Merit received by DaveF (#300014) from 390 unique users in 3656 transactions
38. 7004 Merit received by stompix (#164749) from 501 unique users in 3931 transactions
39. 6965 Merit received by Lucius (#533583) from 540 unique users in 4002 transactions
40. 6949 Merit received by Hhampuz (#881377) from 967 unique users in 4499 transactions
41. 6898 Merit received by Hueristic (#198573) from 210 unique users in 3991 transactions
42. 6862 Merit received by achow101 (#290195) from 282 unique users in 3076 transactions
43. 6785 Merit received by OmegaStarScream (#375981) from 444 unique users in 3712 transactions
44. 6605 Merit received by Charles-Tim (#2776678) from 444 unique users in 3861 transactions
45. 6410 Merit received by The Sceptical Chymist (#487418) from 632 unique users in 3613 transactions
46. 6297 Merit received by NeuroticFish (#257071) from 462 unique users in 3511 transactions
47. 6291 Merit received by jeremypwr (#137185) from 223 unique users in 3660 transactions
48. 6089 Merit received by n0nce (#3373858) from 196 unique users in 2651 transactions
49. 6018 Merit received by DireWolfM14 (#2003859) from 405 unique users in 2878 transactions
50. 5987 Merit received by vapourminer (#33156) from 285 unique users in 3848 transactions
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51942. 1 Merit received by 1ceStorm (#2342907) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51943. 1 Merit received by 1ce (#1019784) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51944. 1 Merit received by 1camtron (#1236351) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51945. 1 Merit received by 1apayment (#1855631) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51946. 1 Merit received by 1907KFY (#1935217) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51947. 1 Merit received by 16xypjnxlrew (#2705665) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51948. 1 Merit received by 16tonn (#3560052) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51949. 1 Merit received by 15horses1donkey (#560958) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51950. 1 Merit received by 15519028115Q (#3575647) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51951. 1 Merit received by 15262kk (#291561) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51952. 1 Merit received by 14z4rus (#3669471) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51953. 1 Merit received by 1453ist (#1431126) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51954. 1 Merit received by 1453eko (#1431103) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51955. 1 Merit received by 13Winter13 (#919666) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51956. 1 Merit received by 13ex07 (#1207068) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51957. 1 Merit received by 13dizel (#1208678) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51958. 1 Merit received by 1357924680 (#333305) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51959. 1 Merit received by 12tribes (#1221082) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51960. 1 Merit received by 12assa34 (#1729394) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51961. 1 Merit received by 123tm (#848549) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51962. 1 Merit received by 123pogi123 (#2252156) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51963. 1 Merit received by 123exo123 (#1919155) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51964. 1 Merit received by 112_blockchain (#2081987) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51965. 1 Merit received by 11:11pas (#1306783) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51966. 1 Merit received by 1083ivangod (#1952712) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51967. 1 Merit received by 101Crypta (#1287691) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51968. 1 Merit received by 100x (#80115) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51969. 1 Merit received by 100steeze (#3637720) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51970. 1 Merit received by 100%_Shared_FreeBitco.in (#2531436) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51971. 1 Merit received by 100monet (#323057) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51972. 1 Merit received by 1000x (#3509491) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51973. 1 Merit received by 1000usdforwife (#1547718) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51974. 1 Merit received by 1000alasan (#2458354) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51975. 1 Merit received by 0xMuted (#3713926) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51976. 1 Merit received by 0xBrian (#2625170) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51977. 1 Merit received by 0xb100d (#1342964) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51978. 1 Merit received by 0x77 (#3316521) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51979. 1 Merit received by 0x1Knowledge (#2000899) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51980. 1 Merit received by 0vx (#2805438) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51981. 1 Merit received by 0RajA0 (#1151527) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51982. 1 Merit received by 0nion (#3614135) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51983. 1 Merit received by 0bit (#493268) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51984. 1 Merit received by 063Myxa (#1432563) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51985. 1 Merit received by 05btc (#2050202) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51986. 1 Merit received by 00RedBlack00 (#2527578) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51987. 1 Merit received by 00hello (#2471124) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51988. 1 Merit received by $--Perfect. Exchange-$. (#1140007) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51989. 1 Merit received by $imple$imon (#2060672) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51990. 1 Merit received by $BitMakeR$ (#1166812) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51991. 0 Merit received by gwsukabokepjepang (#2536607) from 2 unique users in 2 transactions

Full list (5 MB)

Total number of users who gave away 1 or more sMerit: 26830
Sample

Code:

1. 79989 Merit sent by El duderino_ (#1067333) to 917 unique users in 13318 transactions
2. 74557 Merit sent by fillippone (#1852120) to 2348 unique users in 33097 transactions
3. 70929 Merit sent by LoyceV (#459836) to 3374 unique users in 18444 transactions
4. 64283 Merit sent by JayJuanGee (#252510) to 3715 unique users in 62007 transactions
5. 61856 Merit sent by ABCbits (#359716) to 4824 unique users in 35399 transactions
6. 57068 Merit sent by vapourminer (#33156) to 3843 unique users in 39578 transactions
7. 46659 Merit sent by hugeblack (#1059082) to 2981 unique users in 16535 transactions
8. 41832 Merit sent by suchmoon (#234771) to 2888 unique users in 9167 transactions
9. 40860 Merit sent by xandry (#382413) to 2577 unique users in 14913 transactions
10. 38411 Merit sent by DdmrDdmr (#1582324) to 2966 unique users in 31089 transactions
11. 37197 Merit sent by LFC_Bitcoin (#379487) to 1611 unique users in 14495 transactions
12. 35628 Merit sent by klarki (#407174) to 2285 unique users in 12020 transactions
13. 33478 Merit sent by The Sceptical Chymist (#487418) to 1511 unique users in 10574 transactions
14. 33333 Merit sent by Symmetrick (#2627711) to 2254 unique users in 16803 transactions
15. 30306 Merit sent by EFS (#140584) to 1474 unique users in 8018 transactions
16. 30292 Merit sent by Welsh (#84521) to 1758 unique users in 7016 transactions
17. 26646 Merit sent by o_e_l_e_o (#1188543) to 2510 unique users in 9360 transactions
18. 26572 Merit sent by qwk (#24140) to 606 unique users in 6527 transactions
19. 25901 Merit sent by 1miau (#2143453) to 1317 unique users in 11630 transactions
20. 24590 Merit sent by pooya87 (#379147) to 1432 unique users in 9844 transactions
21. 22424 Merit sent by dbshck (#153634) to 1314 unique users in 6442 transactions
22. 20554 Merit sent by NotATether (#2739424) to 1865 unique users in 4349 transactions
23. 17657 Merit sent by nutildah (#317618) to 1835 unique users in 7960 transactions
24. 17482 Merit sent by Pmalek (#112493) to 1227 unique users in 9724 transactions
25. 17305 Merit sent by Vispilio (#982288) to 761 unique users in 6470 transactions
26. 17231 Merit sent by Julien_Olynpic (#1166480) to 576 unique users in 8157 transactions
27. 16320 Merit sent by Halab (#1053119) to 2024 unique users in 6638 transactions
28. 15768 Merit sent by bitmover (#1554927) to 1361 unique users in 8809 transactions
29. 15418 Merit sent by Foxpup (#55384) to 649 unique users in 5524 transactions
30. 15027 Merit sent by philipma1957 (#64507) to 1709 unique users in 7841 transactions
31. 14655 Merit sent by theymos (#35) to 1117 unique users in 1815 transactions
32. 14576 Merit sent by OgNasty (#18321) to 3187 unique users in 7659 transactions
33. 14090 Merit sent by CryptopreneurBrainboss (#1052091) to 1395 unique users in 7753 transactions
34. 13938 Merit sent by dkbit98 (#1410401) to 1169 unique users in 8517 transactions
35. 13861 Merit sent by paxmao (#1192397) to 1308 unique users in 5974 transactions
36. 13778 Merit sent by krogothmanhattan (#1000199) to 668 unique users in 3663 transactions
37. 13751 Merit sent by NeuroticFish (#257071) to 841 unique users in 6431 transactions
38. 13663 Merit sent by BlackHatCoiner (#2775483) to 868 unique users in 4378 transactions
39. 12648 Merit sent by d5000 (#85033) to 1247 unique users in 6886 transactions
40. 12114 Merit sent by chimk (#1202061) to 757 unique users in 4369 transactions
41. 11060 Merit sent by mikeywith (#2033515) to 550 unique users in 4019 transactions
42. 9322 Merit sent by Hueristic (#198573) to 598 unique users in 7866 transactions
43. 9140 Merit sent by babo (#65636) to 538 unique users in 7178 transactions
44. 9009 Merit sent by Buchi-88 (#204821) to 769 unique users in 7674 transactions
45. 8938 Merit sent by Xal0lex (#1068464) to 696 unique users in 2706 transactions
46. 8815 Merit sent by Coolcryptovator (#1980983) to 1077 unique users in 3804 transactions
47. 8734 Merit sent by DarkStar_ (#507936) to 971 unique users in 2196 transactions
48. 8712 Merit sent by bones261 (#452769) to 1032 unique users in 4239 transactions
49. 8587 Merit sent by BobLawblaw (#569455) to 337 unique users in 3432 transactions
50. 8424 Merit sent by igehhh (#1045971) to 592 unique users in 3884 transactions
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26781. 1 Merit sent by 3btc (#69960) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26782. 1 Merit sent by 3acaga (#1232502) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26783. 1 Merit sent by 360llqzc (#1300924) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26784. 1 Merit sent by 333btc (#3450760) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26785. 1 Merit sent by 3227jw (#2592839) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26786. 1 Merit sent by 2x2coindwarf (#2686612) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26787. 1 Merit sent by 2x25BT (#990097) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26788. 1 Merit sent by 2drive (#1304704) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26789. 1 Merit sent by 2andahalfBTC (#1142164) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26790. 1 Merit sent by 27QVUTZj8rgZP1 (#662730) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26791. 1 Merit sent by 27aume (#1001865) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26792. 1 Merit sent by 2342q6tegw (#1212678) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26793. 1 Merit sent by 214missy (#1285563) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26794. 1 Merit sent by 212fox (#1342293) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26795. 1 Merit sent by 1xbitpatnar (#3475604) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26796. 1 Merit sent by 1r0n (#1252002) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26797. 1 Merit sent by 1pool Ltd. (#2062862) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26798. 1 Merit sent by 1melyun (#543052) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26799. 1 Merit sent by 1cyrax00 (#964210) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26800. 1 Merit sent by 1CryptoSmurf (#1352746) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26801. 1 Merit sent by 1chempion123 (#1346880) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26802. 1 Merit sent by 1cak (#1136856) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26803. 1 Merit sent by 1amCrypt0 (#933826) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26804. 1 Merit sent by 19Nov16 (#921267) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26805. 1 Merit sent by 19nataliya12 (#1873934) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26806. 1 Merit sent by 19dimasik77 (#881779) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26807. 1 Merit sent by 17buratin (#1187494) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26808. 1 Merit sent by 13ex07 (#1207068) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26809. 1 Merit sent by 13Charlie (#76987) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26810. 1 Merit sent by 12retepnat34 (#1053271) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26811. 1 Merit sent by 10yearsolder (#1094878) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26812. 1 Merit sent by 10sat (#1162504) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26813. 1 Merit sent by 10casproj (#3515598) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26814. 1 Merit sent by 10BTCaDay (#396522) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26815. 1 Merit sent by 100kk (#1316426) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26816. 1 Merit sent by 100eth (#1324600) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26817. 1 Merit sent by 0xBitcoins (#2205183) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26818. 1 Merit sent by 0xBet (#3572636) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26819. 1 Merit sent by 0x0333 (#1913654) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26820. 1 Merit sent by 0vn1 (#1216048) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26821. 1 Merit sent by 0virtual (#1244555) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26822. 1 Merit sent by 0id1d (#3600764) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26823. 1 Merit sent by 0Alvaren0 (#2020991) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26824. 1 Merit sent by 01BTC (#1756786) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26825. 1 Merit sent by 01bits (#1629161) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26826. 1 Merit sent by 00HasH (#841746) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26827. 1 Merit sent by 00DKM@ (#1311705) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26828. 1 Merit sent by 00.00WIB (#3392171) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26829. 1 Merit sent by $@to$h! (#1183184) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26830. 1 Merit sent by $Talker (#1043705) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions

Full list (3 MB)

Merit per day of the week
Monday 351478 (14.42%)
Tuesday 349388 (14.33%)
Wednesday 349237 (14.33%)
Thursday 371065 (15.22%)
Friday 369494 (15.16%)
Saturday 321607 (13.19%)
Sunday 324833 (13.32%)
Total: 2437102

^* This file will be overwritten by newer versions

Quote from: Pumared on Today at 02:10:21 PM

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 02:14:39 AM

Quote from: TryNinja on November 05, 2026, 09:45:53 PM

No Master sabemos que o cara captou dinheiro pra desviar e roubar o FGC, molhando a mão de meio Brasil com esse dinheiro.

O Master não roubou o fgc. Nao foi 1 centavo do fgc pra ele

O dinheiro do fgc foi pra terceiros de boa fe que investiram no banco, apenas pessoas físicas pequenos investidores.

Ele usou o Master pra ficar rico e subornou politicos pra manter o banco crescendo. O fgc estava la apenas ajudando quem nao tinha nada a ver com a história

Vi algumas comparações com o Banco Master e o Uena e definitivamente são diferentes. Principalmente na parte de renúncia do presidente e de várias pessoas presas. Já o Master, a investigação já caiu praticamente e o dinheiro já está sendo retornado para algumas contas.

Pòis é, pelo visto já estão voltando a normalidade, e uma galera foi presa, caiu presidente e tudo mais, aqui na Banânia não da em nada e só prenderam o bode espiatório, o resto da politicada continua solta e mandando no sistema, complicado...

bem, problemas sempre tem e sempre irão ter, corrupção é algo que não tem como erradicar, mas a diferença é na forma que isso é tratado, foram presos 8 diretores do banco e mais uma galera sendo indiciada, pelo visto não fica ficar por isso mesmo igual ta sendo por aqui.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 02:46:09 PM

I think it is safer to use Electrum. The best bitcoin wallet out there. You will also have a better control over your funds.

you can connect electrum to your trezor using this guide

https://trezor.io/guides/third-party-wallet-apps/bitcoin-apps/electrum-and-trezor

Electrum is a very good Bitcoin wallet, non custodial, open source, long history, and good reputation. It's a SPV wallet so with less storage space requirement, it can be used by everyone, and it's available on mobile for Android.

For OPSEC, there are guides to use Electrum wallet rightly & safely.
[GUIDE] How to Safely Download and Verify Electrum.
The paranoid user's security guide for using Electrum safely.
Tor proxy option with Electrum.
Creating a cold storage wallet in Electrum.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 02:14:39 AM

Quote from: TryNinja on November 05, 2026, 09:45:53 PM

No Master sabemos que o cara captou dinheiro pra desviar e roubar o FGC, molhando a mão de meio Brasil com esse dinheiro.

O Master não roubou o fgc. Nao foi 1 centavo do fgc pra ele

O dinheiro do fgc foi pra terceiros de boa fe que investiram no banco, apenas pessoas físicas pequenos investidores.

Ele usou o Master pra ficar rico e subornou politicos pra manter o banco crescendo. O fgc estava la apenas ajudando quem nao tinha nada a ver com a história

Vi algumas comparações com o Banco Master e o Uena e definitivamente são diferentes. Principalmente na parte de renúncia do presidente e de várias pessoas presas. Já o Master, a investigação já caiu praticamente e o dinheiro já está sendo retornado para algumas contas.

Quote from: philipma1957 on Today at 01:22:09 AM

I just made some nice butternut squash soup.
Tasty.
Oh I grabbed me some shares of spacex.

waiting on 56k or 57k to buy cheap corn.

dem dumbocrats will knock it down a lot.
So will trump be hoover the beginner of the 2027's massive market crash or what ?

Wow. You are ongoingly delusional.

But, what else is new?

Sure, it is possible that $56k/$57k could end up happening. $56k/$57k would be about 16.5% below the 200-WMA.. since the 200-WMA is currently $67.6k, yet I doubt that you are even projecting your BTC price fantasies by anything solid beyond your own wishes which seem to be based on 1) your having had sold half of your BTC stash at around $62k and 2) based on bitcoin's so far local bottom being in that $57.7k price neighborhood.

Maybe the odds for $56k/$57k this time around (within the next month or two) are similar this time around as your hopening for $12k in 2022? I will concede that it is not easy to put strong comparative odds, including that guys have differences of opinion is part of the reason that BTC prices might move so greatly from time to time.

Quote from: Hueristic on Today at 01:24:46 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on Today at 01:22:09 AM

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Making buying decisions based on political ideology is one of the dumbest things you have ever said.

Phil says a lot of dumb shit, so I am doubting whether I agree with you @Hueristic.

Sure, many of the long time HODLers would prefer that BTC prices would not go down, and currently my own bitcoin buy orders go down to $40k-ish.. and yeah, I really would not want those orders to be filled - yet I still consider that those current orders are in a pretty good place and pretty unlikely in being filled.

Congratulations winners🏆🏆

bitmover,
Hope you keep this campaign rolling for more weeks to months...

Quote from: tugba on November 04, 2026, 02:03:24 PM

I will follow your guidelines to improve myself.

This must be the whole point of this campaign. Keep it up!

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 03:07:36 PM

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É muito bacana toda essa internet das coisas (IoT).

Tenho um colega que esses dias estava mostrando todo o controle que ele tem da casa, cameras, ar condicionado, luzes, tranca da porta, etc, tudo controlado pelo relógio e pelo celular.
...

Cara, ainda tem essas automatizações nas casas
Imagina quando começarem a hackear as cameras das pessoas?
Pode vazar muita coisa confidencial

Imagina que a pessoa está fora de casa e alguém consegue hackear cameras, ar condicionado, luz etc, pode ficar até perigoso causar algum acidente na casa

Agora quer ver ficar pior ainda? Imagina se um dia conseguirem hackear carros elétricos? Shocked

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 01:21:50 PM

~cut out

Transaction received.
Waiting for confirmation. Once confirmed, will be sending the $5 back to the address.
Will switch back to the campaign avatar and sig soon.

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Quote from: bitmover on October 28, 2026, 12:11:47 PM

Weird, data is sent to an analytics servics.

Although it is unlikely that they would share data with authorities, it isnt a good practice.

To be fair, CCECASH does have a "transaction freezing" feature; while rare, it does exist. Furthermore, it is extremely uncommon to find a platform that collects no user data at all. You should always assume that exchange do collect user information, so it is better to use Tor or a fresh, dedicated browser rather than relying on the assumption that a platform won't collect any of your data.
The deciding factor here is the requirement for KYC verification.

I came across several instant exchanges that don't use this type of tracking. In my opinion, the most acceptable approach, if they want some insight into the statistics and user behavior, is to do it in their own version rather than use third-party services.
Every time a third service is included, it is a sign that things are not completely under control.
A similar thing is with the means of liquidity. CCE.Cash uses a mixed liquidity pool, part of it comes from its own funds, while one part comes from partners. This confirms the 'rare KYC' status.

Quote from: bitmover on October 28, 2026, 12:11:47 PM

Quote from: examplens on October 28, 2026, 11:31:32 AM

CCE.Cash has analytical tools on the site, which are active during the entire swap process. they collects much more user data than is in line with privacy protection. Mentioned in the review https://landofcrypto.com/cce-cash-review/
Regardless of the choice of blockchain, information also goes to third parties

Weird, data is sent to an analytics servics.

Although it is unlikely that they would share data with authorities, it isnt a good practice.

To be fair, CCECASH does have a "transaction freezing" feature; while rare, it does exist. Furthermore, it is extremely uncommon to find a platform that collects no user data at all. You should always assume that exchange do collect user information, so it is better to use Tor or a fresh, dedicated browser rather than relying on the assumption that a platform won't collect any of your data.
The deciding factor here is the requirement for KYC verification.

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Quote from: Fara Chan on November 02, 2026, 01:46:58 PM

Your suggestion is also a good one in this case, but some people may not understand that trading and investing are two very different things. Therefore, everyone must be able to make their own decisions from the start or determine their steps early on to avoid making the wrong choice when they want to accumulate Bitcoin in the next few years. Trading with the hope of accumulating a large amount of Bitcoin is quite difficult and even impossible for most people due to the potential for losing positions when the market changes. Therefore, choosing DCA to accumulate Bitcoin is definitely a wise choice without having to trade for days.

You are absolutely correct, and sometimes some find it difficult to differentiate between trading and investing because both involve making profit but the profit of Investment is always in the long run and I can say that is safest and nicest way to go about Bitcoin especially if someone doesn't want to lose money so easily because it help you save your money and grow with time but in trading, you are liable to make losses and unfortunately winning is not certain.

Both trading and investment are profitable investment option depending on experience and investment choices, many prefers trading because of its tendency of providing quick profit without wasting time but may not like investment because of time consuming but I will say know matter what long time investment is the best approach to bitcoin investment.
Yes time wasting is one of the reason many don't like it but its better wasting time than going into trading which is same as gambling when we know there is no assurance in it.
With the fluctuation in the investment market today I will say long time investment option should be adapted because Bitcoin is going to make an unpredictable increase that will transform the life of investors.

You are delusional @Berry2d if you really believe that a trader is going to be anywhere as close to the same level of profits as a bitcoin investor, especially after 8 years or more. Do you need to see some numbers for the guy who DCA'd over the past 8 years or more and then compare those numbers to the numbers of a trader? ONLY rare traders would be able to come close to doing as well as the bitcoin investor.

Sure, past performance does not indicate future performance, yet it seems quite delusional to expect traders to do better in the future as compared with the regular bitcoin investor who ongoingly buys bitcoin and error on the side of HODLing.

Maybe I should give an example?

Let's say that a guy came to bitcoin in November 2018 and he front loaded his investment between November 2018 and May 2019 by buying $3k per week of bitcoin and invested $9k to get 2 bitcoin. Thereafter from June 2019 to present, he invested $100 per week, and so then he would have had invested another $117k, and accumulated about 4.734 BTC.

So then after 8 years his total amount invested would be $126k, and he would have 6.734 BTC, which to me seems like a great place to be. You think that a trader would have had been able to do better than the investor. I doubt it. The chances would have had been quite difficult for a trader to outperform a bitcoin investor in the past 8 years or more. Are you going to argue that a trader could have had done better? Do you believe trading into the future is going to be better than it was in the past as compared with the bitcoin investor?

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Quote from: whiteblue on April 29, 2026, 09:41:43 PM

Do you estimate how long You have set aside to buy bitcoin?

I don't take it into account because it's just a waste of time. There is no plan for how much and no target for how much, I don't want to be tied to investments like that, because I always feel burdened when I don't have the money to buy it, all I do is buy whatever I want, no matter how much I don't care, and I don't plan it for retirement funds but I focus on keeping it circulating in my finances.

You have been registered here since April 2013 (about 10 months longer than me), yet you have not accumulated bitcoin in those past 13.5-ish years? Your ideas about bitcoin do not seem to be good ones.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 01:30:15 PM

As I received many donations, I will ask again for a bitcoin address for the winners @Queen Julie and @Xiestar. If they do not provide an address, all the funds will be used next round ($40 + $20).

I will open for new applications in the next few days.

Actually, I changed my mind. Ill love to receive the btc because I have one donation to make in a charity thread in the forum.
Sorry this is coming late. Nevertheless, I deduct 5$ that was promised for the winners in the amount you're supposed to send.
My intention is to contribute in many ways, I'm glad my post ranked top. Will love to keep the quality. In the meantime, thank you for the rewards.

$81.61

Quote from: bitmover on November 03, 2026, 09:16:30 PM

$ 78,539

Quote from: famososMuertos on November 03, 2026, 11:05:25 PM

$79,678

Quote from: abuzmaster on Today at 03:15:21 AM

$75, 587,09

Just want to ping these because it's not BTC but the price of HYPE.

Quote from: Fantazy999 on November 02, 2026, 05:26:29 PM

People who follow the news are doomed to fail!! I’ve stopped reading anything related to cryptocurrency altogether;

How does "cryptocurrency" relate to what we are talking about in these here parts?

Quote from: Fantazy999 on November 02, 2026, 05:26:29 PM

for me, the chart is enough to understand what to expect!! The history of the chart shows us what’s coming next!! You might think I’m crazy! But do you have the kind of results I’ve had? I suppose you were all at the top of the rankings too, right!! That’s why I can state my opinion with confidence: over the course of an entire cycle, you can go short—even in a bull market—three or four times on a macro scale... and by trading both longs and shorts, you can generate more profit than you ever could with spot trading!!!
Sorry, I’m communicating via a translator, so some parts might not sound quite right.

Too bad that you don't know the word bitcoin, which might help you in your thinking if you were to realize that bitcoin is an investment and not a trade.

You also likely are failing/refusing to recognize bitcoin's value, and you get it mixed up with shitcoins because you believe that you can do better trading than investing.

Even by your forum registration you are not new to bitcoin, and I have a hard time imagining that you might have had done better in bitcoin by fucking around with trading it or even worse fucking around with shitcoins. Of course, it is possible that you got lucky, but trading (gambling) with bitcoin and/or fucking around with shitcoins is not likely to be a solid path forward to improve your finances.

Think about it. If you had invested in the last 8-ish years you would have likely done way better than your fucking around with trading bitcoin and/or shitcoins.

In another thread, I had already presented bitcoin investment ideas to you in order to show how a bitcoin investment thesis would have had worked out for you over the past 8 years if you had invested by putting some front load money into it and then thereafter following an ongoing buying approach, and your response to me was largely pleading ignorance, even though now you are continuing to pump ideas of trading bitcoin and/or fucking around with shitcoins, even though you admit that you don't know nuttin.

Quote from: philipma1957 on November 02, 2026, 08:00:10 PM

another shit day
corn 76.3k down a bit
gold 3942 up a bit
silver 50.49 up a bit
platinum 1448 even

spacex 137.65 up a bit
nvidia 203.50 down a bit
nasdaq 25321 down a bit

all in all I say the calm before the storm.
should be fun to goof on me Tuesday when I am proven really wrong.

A funny (and perhaps sad?) thing is that you can recognize that you are gambling with your finances on an ongoing basis, yet you still are ongoingly engaging in such trading/gambling practices, hoping that "there is a chance" and that someday (maybe Sunday?) you will strike it rich.

Part of the problem with compulsive gamblers is that even if they might happen to strike it big from time to time, because they already have a gambling/trading approach (rather than an investment mindset), they cannot help but to piss away any profits that they might have made in their various "making it big" incidents.. so yeah, they might even shave off some of their profits from their making it big incidents, so they ongoingly consider that they are profiting from their trades.

Quote from: goldkingcoiner on November 02, 2026, 11:03:10 PM

I was hoping for a bigger dump after the hack scare, so that I could buy more Bitcoin. But oh well. 76K is good too. DCA time it is.

In other words, my steak is too juicy and my lobster is too buttery. Angry

In bitcoin there surely are arguments for mechanical application of buying the dip rather than trying to guess bitcoin price specifics, which tends to result in ongoing buying of bitcoin during such times, even though we might also have limitations in our budget for ongoing buying and we might even have enough bitcoin or close to enough bitcoin.

And as you seem to also be implying, many of the longer term bitcoiner's tend to already have some luxury in spending their bitcoin while simultaneously buying, which might seem like a bit of a spinning of the wheels dynamics (maybe buying out of one hand and selling with the other?), yet the longer term bitcoiners tend to not be necessarily desperate to buy more bitcoin, even though it might make some sense to buy during what seems to be dipping periods.... even though it could be sort of a "so what if I do? and so what if I don't?" situation.

Quote from: Biodom on November 02, 2026, 11:10:34 PM

I am trying to formulate a conjecture below:

Bitcoin was at 63226 on Nov 2, ~~20221~~ 2021
Bitcoin is at 76,772 right now on Nov 2, 2026.
Roughly 21% up in 5 years, which is about 4% a year.
I know, i know..cycles.

Oh gawd..

you are annoying when you go down this path.

Quote from: Biodom on November 02, 2026, 11:10:34 PM

However, 5 year time period is still informative for my "conjecture":

I propose, specifically, that bitcoin's relatively low performance in the last 5 years was due to M Saylor's activities with MSTR and STRC.

Low performance? Holy fucking shit Biodom.

Bitcoin's 200-WMA has gone from $16,838 in November 2021 to $67,500 today.

Yeah, I know that we don't buy at the 200-WMA, yet the 200-WMA largely represents some semblance of the trade-weighted average of the bitcoin price at the time that it is measured, so accounting for the 200-WMA shows your selective focus on fluctuating bitcoin spot prices as greatly (if not completely?) delusional.

Quote from: Biodom on November 02, 2026, 11:10:34 PM

Essentially, by issuing a debt security that pays 10-12% yearly, he put an upper bound of bitcoin average yearly appreciation at the same 10-12%.
Why? Because there cannot be any economic perpetuum mobile where he would get more than 10-12% average appreciation in bitcoin and then would be able to issue more and more of STRC, forming an endless pyramid of sorts. No wonder that JPMorgan proposes 10% bitcoin appreciation (per year) going forward.

I am OK with 10% and I am also OK with MSaylor not being able to go "crazy" with his STRC.

Even though I continue to "feel you" as being annoying as fuck, from time to time, this is an interesting theory in regards to whether Saylor or any other dominant financial product, such as MSTR and/or STRC can end up causing a throttling effect on bitcoin's appreciation rate, especially to the degree that you are proposing 10% to 16% annualized.

I have the sense that you are too narrowed in on short-timelines, and continuing to fail/refuse to appreciate bitcoin's fundamental powers which also relates to errors that you had been making historically in your various negative Nancy proclamations.. that I would say had not really panned out, so for example I get the sense that if we had followed your ideas in earlier times, we would have had been falling off our chairs to even go through supra $100k prices, so in that regard, I will admit that you seem to be coming out with more bullish numbers in recent times, yet it also seems to me that your more bullish proclamations had been forced upon you because of bitcoin prices and dynamics that ended up being quite a bit more bullish than your earlier dreams (wet or not).

Quote from: Biodom on November 02, 2026, 11:10:34 PM

That said, if 10% is what we 'should' get, then, maybe next 5 years would be roughly 16% a year to get to the 10% per year across 10 years.
16% a year from Nov 2, 2026 would result in about $161.2 (164K if 10% per year since Nov 2, 2021) by Nov 2, 2031.
I can live with that.

Sure. Those still end up being acceptable numbers, and I don't really have any problems preparing for various alternative scenarios, since it seems that the best that many of us can do anyhow is leverage (and hedge) our own finances in ways that we hope to end up being directionally correct, whether referring to bitcoin and dollars (fiat) only and/or other non-bitcoin allocations that we might also choose to make that might be considered as protecting and/or supplementing our bitcoin investment.

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Quote from: bitmover on October 27, 2026, 09:58:04 PM

I dont think it reduces privacy
It is a different blockchain, so much harder to track

Yes, swapping Bitcion to USDT or any other stable coin will somehow enhance privacy of the coins but it is not enough to break the link entirely. Some regulatory authorities can still get such information and it won't be much issue for them. The best for privacy is to swap Bitcoin to XMR at one exchange and then XMR to Bitcoin at another exchange. That way it will be hard for anyone to find any link between the transactions and that is going to be high in privacy and very hard to track.

I almost always swap BTC for stablecoin like usdt or usdc before sending to a CEX, and to this day it has never given me any kind of problem. I don't know if it's because I use CCECash most of the time or the same CEX.

Swapping to XMR and then back to BTC is a strategy that varies according to the person's paranoia and threat model. I don't rule it out, In fact, XMR has been surprising me positively. Too bad I bought XMR right near the ATH, I'll keep watching Roll Eyes

I appreciate the opportunity to give to me to participate in the Bitcoindata challenges thank you bitmover. It was time and effort to give I hope to participate in more challenges in the Bitcoin community. Once again thank you bitmover.

Thank you bitmover for the prize. I will follow your guidelines to improve myself.

Congratulations to you all, @Queen Julie, @FirmWars, @Xiestar, @tugba, and @God Tim. Also to bitmover for the week 1's success.

Quote from: bitwalhr on Today at 10:30:43 AM

Looking for the 2nd round and count me for sponsorship.

Maybe on the 3rd round if there will still be because the 2nd round covered by doomloop.

Congrats all winners.

@bitmover
Looking for the 2nd round and count me for sponsorship.

Quote from: Loyang on Today at 12:30:29 AM

Without acquiring knowledge, a person will never be able to hold Bitcoin for a long time or profit from Bitcoin. Because knowledge is the only resource that helps us to take the right decision, if there is no knowledge, then a person will definitely not be able to take the right decision and may face losses.

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Without knowledge, if people spent money to purchase bitcoin, it's very likely a bet with hope to get rich. Without knowledge before investment, people have very weak foundation for their investment practice, even they actually think they are investing in Bitcoin. Knowledge is not too hard to gain especially in the flat world with Internet and abundant free and open access educational resources about Bitcoin.

It's only they are ready to search, find helpful educational resources and learn.
Bitcoin information and resources.
Learn me a Bitcoin.

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Taking the right decision is the most important thing in Bitcoin investment. From the beginning of the investment, a person has to continue to gain knowledge and as long as he holds the investment, a person has to continue to gain knowledge, knowledge never ends.

Investment requires firstly knowledge about Bitcoin, the market, cycle history, psychological history, and strategies that are safe and profitable like Dollar Cost Averaging.

Having knowledge about these things will help investors a lot in their investment practice, to manage risk and capital better and safer, increase chance of getting profit, and minimize risk of having loss.

DCA can be used for take profit, withdrawal of profit and capital over time.
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@OP why not tell us more why you decided to use Unisat wallet?

If this is only for storing Bitcoin I am not fan with Browser wallet extension or plugins; it is more vulnerable to online attacks.
And mainly this Unisat wallet is used for Ordinal incriptions; you can use that if your purpose is to hold tokens, NFT and memes but not good for holding BTC.

If your purpose is for Bitcoin, then better use traditional wallets like Electrum wallet.
If you are planning to hold a large amount, I suggest make a cold storage for the Electrum wallet.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 11:15:51 PM

Yeah, I also think that it is an important feature.

I dont know who implemented first, but now metamask and phantom wallets also have this feature.

You can generate a bitcoin address with them and login into websites and do web3 stuff. Although unisat is bitcoin only.

I think Unisat is the first one; it was launched between March and April 2023 before MetaMask and Phantom implemented this feature.

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Quote from: LoyceV on Today at 09:33:53 AM

But: I don't know "unisat wallet". If you want to be sure you can access funds on this address, see if you can reproduce it by using your seed words from another wallet (for instance Electrum).

Unisat is a decent wallet, it was designed for ordinals and to be used like metamask or phantom wallet.

They call such browser extension wallets as "web 3" wallets. Such wallets can be used to login into crypto websites using your bitcoin address and a signed message.

I dont use unisat, but it is quite interesting to see bitcoin doing the same as Ethereum / BNB /solana etc... it wasn't possible until 2025 i think

I didn't know that unisat had that functionality. I have been complaining about Bitcoin falling behind in web 3 for half a decade at least now. Glad to see someone is finally attempting to make Bitcoin a useful thing beyond a store of value. It was actually embarrassing how far behind Bitcoin has fallen in the face for usefulness. It would be great if this sort of thing had some traction. Then maybe I wouldn't need to have a Solana wallet that I use orders of magnitude more than my Bitcoin wallet.

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Quote from: Fantazy999 on November 02, 2026, 01:44:14 PM

I can make all the money I need from just one trade! Being a speculator is only unprofitable for those who don’t know how to trade!!!

Good. You have been registered on the forum since August 2018, yet I still doubt that whatever you have been fucking around with would have had beat a fairly straight-forward bitcoin buying and holding approach.

Let's say that you had $5k to buy bitcoin in August 2018 (which would have had gotten you right around 0.67 BTC for $7,500 per BTC), and then thereafter you were going to buy $100 per week, which between August 2018 and now would have had caused you to invest about $43k, and you would have had accumulated about 2.462 BTC.

So by now you would have had invested right about $48k, and you would have about 3.13 BTC.

I doubt that whatever you have been doing with fucking around with trading bitcoin and other shitcoins has done better than a strategy focused on bitcoin accumulation through buy and hold only.

Well common approach of people who think they know everything. Maybe he is blinded by his temporary victory, reason why he assume that its more better to be a trader than a holder.

But one bad movement all his gains might get wiped out, I tried that before and truly got disappointed with losses I've got.

Later on he might realize, that its better to hold Bitcoin rather than doing trades with those shitcoins.

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Quote from: sabotag3x on Today at 05:31:02 PM

Eu sinceramente não sei como esses caras caem nesses golpes.

Imagina esse cenário.
Voce é um profissional de tecnologia, ja fez dezenas de entrevistas de emprego online onde exigiram que vc baixasse software corporativos. Inclusive o seu emprego atual que paga $12,000 usd por mes voce fez uma entrevista assim.

Dai outra empresa te oferece $ 15,000 e pedem a mesma coisa pra voce. Vc ta no computador da empresa, onde tem um firewall corporativo (ou no seu pessoal onde cc nao se preocupa tanto) e baixa o arquivo como voce ja fez outras vezes.

É um golpe sofisticado nao é promessa de "me mande 1 eth que te mando 10"

No computador da empresa que a rede tem acesso a todas as carteiras? tem que ser muito maluco..

Um tempo atrás eu trouxe um tópico aqui falando que a Binance fazia esses testes de segurança com funcionários, fingindo ser atacantes.. os caras devem ter um puta treinamento, principalmente esses cargos com acesso a coisas sens´siveis.. ai um clica em anúncio falso do Google, outro cai em golpe de engenharia social..

Ali eles falam que ele era uma empresa fictícia, etc.. eu queria saber como os caras fingem tão bem pra convencer alguém que uma empresa existe e vai lhe pagar mais que a líder do mercado.

E é um golpe antigo, visto o caso da Ronin.. se fosse novidade, como foi nesse caso da Ronin, eu até entenderia que "aconteceu, paciência".

No fim o erro foi da Binance, né.. eu imagino que o MB foi uma história parecida.. vamos ver o que dizem..

Quote from: bitmover on October 27, 2026, 09:58:04 PM

I dont think it reduces privacy
It is a different blockchain, so much harder to track

Yes, swapping Bitcion to USDT or any other stable coin will somehow enhance privacy of the coins but it is not enough to break the link entirely. Some regulatory authorities can still get such information and it won't be much issue for them. The best for privacy is to swap Bitcoin to XMR at one exchange and then XMR to Bitcoin at another exchange. That way it will be hard for anyone to find any link between the transactions and that is going to be high in privacy and very hard to track.

Quote from: bitmover on November 01, 2026, 10:05:31 PM

Quote from: sabotag3x on October 31, 2026, 06:06:32 PM

Eu acho que essas previsões de longo prazo ignoram muito os computadores quânticos e outros possíveis problemas.

A princípio essas simulações de monte carlo levam em conta isso sim.

Pq elas consideram tudo o que ja aconteceu na historia do bitcoin, acontecendo novamente em sequências futuras diversas vezes (em intervalos maiores e menores)

Por exemplo essas milhares de simulações incluem um cenário que algo tao pesado como o hack da MT gox aconteça novamente diversas vezes, sendo um ataque próximo do outro ou nao.

Isso se for bem feita a simulação.

Onde vc fez esses testes Pumared?

Você está certo sobre as simulações de monte carlo. Mas essa que você descreve ela é a Monte Carlo bootstrap, que é um tipo de monte carlo. Basicamente ela usa valores que já existem para replicar no futuro de forma bem resumida. A que usei foi a Paramétrica, que usa premissas anteriores para replicar no futuro.

Fiz um teste rápido com a bootstrap usando 2017-2026, ele pega cada semana que realmente aconteceu e faz um sorteio. Por exemplo:

Semana 1 - 5% | S2 -10% | S3 +1%...

Nesse caso, o modelo vai sortear esses valores e vai criando o gráfico, podendo repetir essas semanas para deixar mais realistas. E comparando a minha (paramétrica) ao invés de usar dados reais dessas semanas, ele usa valores próximos.

Mas no fim, os valores foram praticamente iguais:

Quote from: bitmover on October 28, 2026, 05:12:09 PM

Quote from: 7juju on October 28, 2026, 04:49:03 PM

Having money is good, it brings a differently compared with those that don’t have money. But I think there’s no difference between those the people that have money and lock it away in the bank, and those that don’t have money. A money lock away in a safe, without plans of making use of it, is of no value to you.
Those that spend the little they earned on things they need are actually the ones deriving the value of money. It is better you don’t have money than have money don’t use, that are sitting idle in the bank for years without being used.

What is your take on this?

Wealth is what you cant see. Rich people might live a very simple life

Every dollar you save and invest wisely will work for you, multiplying itself.

Ofc you need to spend it eventually, dying with money is just stupid.

Yeah what's the point in having money and not spending it. It's good to save yes but you have to enjoy the money you're making sometimes like giving yourself a treat.

It will be unfortunate to see someone gather so much wealth and just live like a regular person, eating regular meals and so on. Spending money on yourself definitely feels as important as making it especially when it adds to you.

Don't get me wrong we need to invest more than we spend but what if we spent on investing like buying a nice jewellery serves both investing and spending.

Quote from: bitmover on November 02, 2026, 06:06:44 PM

There are many good investments out there that everyone will profit from them in the long term. For exampel, gold and passive etf funds.

Well, words are relative in meaning and subject to interpretation(s) according to whoever is consuming them. If I may ask what your idea of a long term investment is, we will quickly discover that it will differ from what many other users are going to say. This is why I don't really base my expectations of ROI of any investment on (long/short) terms. I base it on whatever I'm able to get off that investment when I close the deal, not how it stays. People lose on long term "perceived" great investments too. It's not necessarily whether one is going long term or not but on when one jumps in or out. There are people who won't invest in gold or Bitcoin because of their past horrible experiences in such assets. If Bitcoin stays down as it's now till 2030, that should be about four years, and I believe it's long term enough. In my books, it's. Can we say those who bought in late 2025 when it crossed $126k made a wise decision? But of course, not.

Quote from: bitmover on November 01, 2026, 09:43:24 AM

Quem comprou uma hardware wallet recente pode abrir e olhar, e comparar com o que trm na internet

Minha ledger eu ja abri varias vezes Cheesy

Esse é o único jeito de ter certeza

Para aprender a abrir tem os vídeos do Mark Karpeles

Como abrir e fechar uma Ledger Nano X
Como abrir e fechar uma Ledger Nano S plus
Como abrir e fechar uma Ledger Flex
Como abrir e fechar uma Ledger Stax

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Quote from: Jammy01 on July 19, 2026, 10:40:45 AM

I have been thinking lately about how investing in bitcoin is actually a great idea but also it can be really hard to make profit off bitcoin if you're a small Investor
Imagine this:
If bitcoin is at $64k and me as a small investor bought with $1k, for me to make 100% profit bitcoin will have to hit $128k, that is still feasible
But if I'm hoping to make a 200% profit on my investment bitcoin price will have to get to $256k, how achievable is that ? And if it's achievable how long is it going to take

Which brings me back to my question
Can small investors actually make good profit with bitcoin?

Or are there other ways to make money with bitcoin as a small investor rather than just buy and hold?

Better to buy yourself some ice cream, get some flowers for your mom, and just spend that $1,000 on yourself—that would be 100 times more worthwhile! It’s not profitable to invest $1,000—or even $10,000—in Bitcoin! With that kind of money, it’s better to be a speculator than a "hodler."

That mindset actually can make you broke. Since after you spend that money for those things you have said. You won't get anything in return.

Also if you only put $1000 then don't plan to add it, then we can agree with you that its not worth of your time to invest that amount. But if you have a good plan then try to increase your Bitcoins, by continuous accumulation. Then with that we can probably say that all those efforts and money you spend for many years doing DCA is truly worth it.

I disagree about its good to be an speculator than being a HODler, since this is self defeating attitude.

I can make all the money I need from just one trade! Being a speculator is only unprofitable for those who don’t know how to trade!!!

Good. You have been registered on the forum since August 2018, yet I still doubt that whatever you have been fucking around with would have had beat a fairly straight-forward bitcoin buying and holding approach.

Let's say that you had $5k to buy bitcoin in August 2018 (which would have had gotten you right around 0.67 BTC for $7,500 per BTC), and then thereafter you were going to buy $100 per week, which between August 2018 and now would have had caused you to invest about $43k, and you would have had accumulated about 2.462 BTC.

So by now you would have had invested right about $48k, and you would have about 3.13 BTC.

I doubt that whatever you have been doing with fucking around with trading bitcoin and other shitcoins has done better than a strategy focused on bitcoin accumulation through buy and hold only.

I don’t actually know anything, and I don’t have any particular skills—yet I managed to stay in the top rankings on Binance based on ROI for three months! Just a coincidence, I suppose... Now I’m looking for a fund where I could apply what I know; the rest is just trivial detail. Everyone has their own strategy.

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Quote from: Jammy01 on July 19, 2026, 10:40:45 AM

I have been thinking lately about how investing in bitcoin is actually a great idea but also it can be really hard to make profit off bitcoin if you're a small Investor
Imagine this:
If bitcoin is at $64k and me as a small investor bought with $1k, for me to make 100% profit bitcoin will have to hit $128k, that is still feasible
But if I'm hoping to make a 200% profit on my investment bitcoin price will have to get to $256k, how achievable is that ? And if it's achievable how long is it going to take

Which brings me back to my question
Can small investors actually make good profit with bitcoin?

Or are there other ways to make money with bitcoin as a small investor rather than just buy and hold?

Better to buy yourself some ice cream, get some flowers for your mom, and just spend that $1,000 on yourself—that would be 100 times more worthwhile! It’s not profitable to invest $1,000—or even $10,000—in Bitcoin! With that kind of money, it’s better to be a speculator than a "hodler."

That mindset actually can make you broke. Since after you spend that money for those things you have said. You won't get anything in return.

Also if you only put $1000 then don't plan to add it, then we can agree with you that its not worth of your time to invest that amount. But if you have a good plan then try to increase your Bitcoins, by continuous accumulation. Then with that we can probably say that all those efforts and money you spend for many years doing DCA is truly worth it.

I disagree about its good to be an speculator than being a HODler, since this is self defeating attitude.

I can make all the money I need from just one trade! Being a speculator is only unprofitable for those who don’t know how to trade!!!

Good. You have been registered on the forum since August 2018, yet I still doubt that whatever you have been fucking around with would have had beat a fairly straight-forward bitcoin buying and holding approach.

Let's say that you had $5k to buy bitcoin in August 2018 (which would have had gotten you right around 0.67 BTC for $7,500 per BTC), and then thereafter you were going to buy $100 per week, which between August 2018 and now would have had caused you to invest about $43k, and you would have had accumulated about 2.462 BTC.

So by now you would have had invested right about $48k, and you would have about 3.13 BTC.

I doubt that whatever you have been doing with fucking around with trading bitcoin and other shitcoins has done better than a strategy focused on bitcoin accumulation through buy and hold only.

What does how long I’ve been on the forum have to do with anything?? I started trading actively in 2020, and I’ve made far more from speculation than I ever would have just by holding. I’ve shorted Ripple alone about 20 times, with gains of 5,000–6,000% each time. I’m not interested in "holding"—it’s just not profitable! Your logic seems to be: "If only you’d started back in 2018..." But you clearly didn’t think this way in 2018, so don’t try to lecture me about the past! Tell me what’s happening right now.

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Quote from: Jammy01 on July 19, 2026, 10:40:45 AM

I have been thinking lately about how investing in bitcoin is actually a great idea but also it can be really hard to make profit off bitcoin if you're a small Investor
Imagine this:
If bitcoin is at $64k and me as a small investor bought with $1k, for me to make 100% profit bitcoin will have to hit $128k, that is still feasible
But if I'm hoping to make a 200% profit on my investment bitcoin price will have to get to $256k, how achievable is that ? And if it's achievable how long is it going to take

Which brings me back to my question
Can small investors actually make good profit with bitcoin?

Or are there other ways to make money with bitcoin as a small investor rather than just buy and hold?

Better to buy yourself some ice cream, get some flowers for your mom, and just spend that $1,000 on yourself—that would be 100 times more worthwhile! It’s not profitable to invest $1,000—or even $10,000—in Bitcoin! With that kind of money, it’s better to be a speculator than a "hodler."

That mindset actually can make you broke. Since after you spend that money for those things you have said. You won't get anything in return.

Also if you only put $1000 then don't plan to add it, then we can agree with you that its not worth of your time to invest that amount. But if you have a good plan then try to increase your Bitcoins, by continuous accumulation. Then with that we can probably say that all those efforts and money you spend for many years doing DCA is truly worth it.

I disagree about its good to be an speculator than being a HODler, since this is self defeating attitude.

I can make all the money I need from just one trade! Being a speculator is only unprofitable for those who don’t know how to trade!!!

Good. You have been registered on the forum since August 2018, yet I still doubt that whatever you have been fucking around with would have had beat a fairly straight-forward bitcoin buying and holding approach.

Let's say that you had $5k to buy bitcoin in August 2018 (which would have had gotten you right around 0.67 BTC for $7,500 per BTC), and then thereafter you were going to buy $100 per week, which between August 2018 and now would have had caused you to invest about $43k, and you would have had accumulated about 2.462 BTC.

So by now you would have had invested right about $48k, and you would have about 3.13 BTC.

I doubt that whatever you have been doing with fucking around with trading bitcoin and other shitcoins has done better than a strategy focused on bitcoin accumulation through buy and hold only.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 01:24:25 PM

A binance ainda é top 1 do mercado, sendo 4x maior que a coinbase, o segundo lugar.

Olhando pelo CMC, ela tem nas ultimas 24h 4,4 bilhões de USD de volume.
Enquanto isso, a Hyperliquid tem 0,1 bilhão de volume. Ou seja, 40 x mais do que a hyperliquid.

Esse é o volume spot.. a Hyperliquid é basicamente derivativos.. ainda estão longe da Binance, mas para uma DEX é muita coisa.. (atualmente US$ 4,7 bilhões vs US$ 22 bilhões nas últimas 24 horas, somente 5x de diferença)

O próprio CZ falou que estava investindo na Aster (outra DEX).. para competir com a Hyperliquid, obviamente.

Quote from: bitmover on October 28, 2026, 02:51:00 PM

OP, I auggest that you ignore all those newbie accounts with 0 merits. They all belong to the same person

Prediction: yes
Jacks Club username: bitmover

Since we did not quote something like this in the rules, we will have to move ahead with selecting them. But Thank you for the feedback, we will consider this from next contest onwards.

Quote from: bitmover on October 28, 2026, 05:12:09 PM

Every dollar you save and invest wisely will work for you, multiplying itself.

Sadly, the irony of life is that we really can't tell what that wise investment is until it's in hindsight. Everyone investing has the intention of profiting from it but history has shown that it doesn't always happen that way. We don't know a bad investment ahead of time until we're already in it.

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Ofc you need to spend it eventually, dying with money is just stupid.

Exactly! This is why I laugh when I hear or read about people chorusing that they would rather get money elsewhere to spend instead of spending their Bitcoin. The question, for me, has always been – what's the essence of money if it's not put to use? In my local parlance, we say – no one admires money for itself but we admire what was bought or built with money.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 04:10:20 PM

Eu estou nessa faixa tambem!

Eu conheci o bitcoin em julho de 2017, nao sabia na época, mas mudou minha vida!

Adorei desde o comeco.

Mas enjoava era ps4 nessa epoca Cheesy

comprei o meu ps4 em 2014 ou 15...

Eu lembro quando vc surgiu no forum essa época também, eu conheci em 2014 (quando ouvi falar pela primeira vez), fiz algumas pesquisas, mas meu entendimento era de apenas se tratava de uma moeda de troca no dark market e nem dei muita importância, só fui me envolver mesmo no final de 2015, quase no fim da era de ouro, a subida de 2017, eu nunca mais vi, subiu 2000 ou 3000%, isso nunca mais aconteceu.

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