Quem não tem grana pro ouro vai na prata, será que não?

Pix sempre foi monitorado. E sempre será

Quem faz as transações do pix é o banco central, nao uma entidade privada.

Sim fez quase 4x em 12 meses.

I disagree with you on this; how can you say that if someone have accumulated 1/2 of their bitcoin target that they can diversify into other investment. I am not arguing that investors should not diversify to other assets, but it should be at a time when they have already met their accumulation target because if they have not reached their target and decide to diversify into other assets, it can cause them to abandon their accumulation on bitcoin and begin to focus on the asset they diversified into especially if it's yielding good profits so it's a kind of distracting oneself from the primary aim which is to meet your target. Bitcoin is risky due to volatility but that doesn't mean that it is a high-risk investment to consider diversification when your target is yet to be met.

Nao sei se faria  diferença.. acho que nao mudaria nada.
Nas últimas 24h foram negociados 36B usd de bitcoins, ou seja,, 400mil bitcoins por dia. Pra todo bitcoin vendido tem outro comprado.

70mil em 3 meses nao é nada..

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A tesla por exemplo, nao acredito que siga isso. Seria surpreendente.

Acho que essas empresas nao se preocupam com esse mNav. Podem ter alguns casos, mas no geral acho que nao é regra.

Se querem compram. Fazem uma votação com o conselho, se aprovarem compram. Se nao, nao compram.

A meliuz e a oranje nao acredito que se preocupem com isso, por exemplo

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Nao acho que seja boa ideia.

Seres humanos nao sao bons em gerar senhas, nem em guardar.

...

O certo é a pessoa ter um gerenciador de senhas. É um simples aplicativo de celular, que gera a senhas pra ela e esta sincronizad na nuvem. Tem varios bons por ai. Eu uso do Firefox e o do Proton

Tenho meus parentes mais velhos que eu sempre estou ajudando a configurar alguma conta, um telefone, um site que exige cadastro e cada vez vai ficando difícil para eles guardarem as senhas

Nao acho que seja boa ideia.

Seres humanos nao sao bons em gerar senhas, nem em guardar.

Em geral, a pessoa vai ser usar uma senha mestra (tipo aniversário) + alguma variação com o nome do servico.

I dont think that creating a channel is the problem with Electrum implementation of lightning network.

I am sure the owner or the marketing team do not agree with you.

Traffic is never enough.

There are many reasons to create an ANN in altcoinstalks.com as well, and also on other social media. One of the reasons is SEO.
Also, the more community support and engagement,  the better. More customers, and more money in

That’s not really a big issue then since it can be easily fixed on our side. Casinos usually keep sending emails about their promos, which is why I personally don’t want to mess up the main email I use for business and daily life outside gambling. I just create a separate email for gambling only. That way it doesn’t get mixed in, and all we receive there are gambling promos from different casinos we sign up with.

I am sure the owner or the marketing team do not agree with you.

Traffic is never enough.

There are many reasons to create an ANN in altcoinstalks.com as well, and also on other social media. One of the reasons is SEO.
Also, the more community support and engagement,  the better. More customers, and more money in

That aside, If you check one reason people don't use lightning network is because they see it too complex even if it's not that complicated. Eventually when these people get hold of a PC they still end up using centralized exchanges or custodial wallets.

There are so many social media nowadays, basically impossible to track them all.
X, bitcointalk,  altcoinstalks,  discord,  telegram...

Hey, is there a Bitz.io ANN in altcoinstalks.com? I think it is worth creating one there as well.

Well it's good they finally remembered android after all these while lol... Anyways I hate to say this as an ELECTRUM fan but I'm not too impressed with the updates. I like the fee part but for the biometrics it's a big NO. I don't fancy biometrics that much on most wallets because I find PIN  more effective.

My main point is you can unconsciously hit your fingerprint or worse face ID on iOS and boom transaction has been broadcast but typing your PIN in manually requires some level of mental focus that you may even realise a couple mistakes in the process.

It is just a bad implementation .

Any software can have a good UX (user experience). A software with bad UX is jsut bad software.

It might be perfect in the technical side. But UX is also important.

JayJuan sir, your words touches .........all being summed up is like talking about a reset button in life and also a kind of fence that the act of properly reserving funds provides.
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THE RESET BUTTON:.........

THE UNSEEN FENCE:.........

DCA and smart DCA are both ways of investing money but they are not the same, DCA is very simple, in this method a person invests the same amount of money every month or at a fixed time,it does not matter if the market price goes up or down, people who are new and want a stress free way prefer DCA, fear and greed work less here so the chance of making mistakes is also lower...
 
smart DCA is a little different,here money is invested regularly but decisions are also made by looking at the price, when the price is low more is bought,when the price is high less is bought or the person waits,this can help buy at a better price but it is not always easy to make the right decision,if the decision is wrong there can be loss instead of profit,
 
simply put people who want less thinking and like to follow rules should choose DCA, people who understand the market and can give time and think before investing may find smart DCA better...

You seem to be specifically talking about different ideas as compared with the ones that I was making - laspol65 mentioned that a regular small amount can be invested and to aspire to reaching a whole bitcoin as long at the person is consistently buying bitcoin.

I said that is bullshit, since even $300 per week is not likely to add up to a whole bitcoin, even if a person invests $300 per week for 10 years, unless you think that in the next 10 years bitcoin is going to have an average price of less than $156k. Anything is possible, but I doubt it.

I was largely trying to be more realistic in examples that are given and do the math in regards to how much you likely would need to invest on a regular basis to reach a whole BTC - to the extent that a whole BTC is either realistic or even a meaningful target for a lot of normies who are just starting to invest in bitcoin.  Sure it is possible to reach 1 whole BTC for a newbie who is starting now, yet it seems to me that newbies who are able to reach 1 BTC now are not regular people.. and 1 BTC is coming out of reach for an overwhelming majority of the population.. so it seems a bit fantastical to be talking about the accumulation of 1 BTC for a normie as if it were a reasonably easy goal do reach.. even if a person might be expecting to be able to invest $156k into bitcoin over the next 10-ish years.


Guys should be able to regularly monitor their progress and their building of their bitcoin holdings and various other aspects of their financial management without necessarily getting tempted into tapping into their coins at a time that is not of their own choosing.

Likely if they realize that they might be investing in bitcoin for 10 years and beyond and maybe they realize that it might be 15 years or beyond before they start to sell any of their bitcoin, then they merely need to set up systems that they are ongoingly buying bitcoin and even maintaining enough of a dollar cushion so that they have enough money that they can spend from and not be tempted to tap into their bitcoin. ..

So let's say that they earn $30k per year ($2,500 per month) and their basic expenses are right around $1,500 per month.  So that leaves them with $1k per month of discretionary income.. not bad.. they tend to invest $100 per week ($433 per month) into bitcoin, so that leaves them with $567 per month for their savings and their discretionary consumption.  If they already got their basic back up funds up to $4,500 - which is 3 months of their expenses).. maybe they figure that they have to keep an additional $1k or $2k on hand and in their reserve fund so that they can be able to buy things... .. so their bitcoin investment and their back up funds might grow at the same time, or perhaps their back up funds just stays at a certain level but it has some money that can be tapped into so that they are less tempted to tap into their bitcoin - even though the amount that the bitcoin appreciates and/or depreciates each year can vary between being in profits and/or being in the negative, yet they know that the amount that theyput into their bitcoin is reight around $5,200 each year.

If they have discipline, they can watch it. If they put extra systems and back up funds (reserve funds) in place then they have money that they can spend if they want - since they have already told themselves that they are not tapping into their bitcoin - even though they want to monitor it monthly, quarterly and annually (different levels of analsys during each period.. but desires to grow and to tweak their bitcoin accumulation and/or their cashflow management systems from time to time if they see data that justifies making such tweaks.  They are not going to see areas for improvement if they are not paying attention and they are affraid of their bitcoin holdings...

if a guy had not been paying attention to his BTC holdings in 2020, and maybe he had accumulated 5 BTC that were worth  less than $35k at various points in mid-to-late 2020, yet all of a sudden in 2021, those coins went from being worth $35k to being worth more than $300k - so the guy has to have systems in place for dealing with it, and he is more likely to engage in rash behaviors if he is not paying attention and performing regular analysis on his bitcoin holdings as compared with other wealth he has and his cashflow situation.


Once you reach overaccumulation stage you can engage in price-based and/or time based sustainable withdrawal and buying back is optional, especially since a presumption of sustainable withdrawal is that it is sustainable and withdrawing is not knocking you out of overaccumulation status.


Surely stack size and various aspect of personal circumstances will affect how anyone might manage their bitcoin holdings and if they either perceive themselves to still be in accumulation stage and/or if they feel that they have enough bitcoin, even if they might not quite be to the level of being able to start to withdraw from their BTC holdings..

If a person is not quite at overaccumulation stage then they have to be careful in regards to either stopping their accumulation or starting to withdraw from their holdings... especially if they want to be able to reach overaccumulation status that would then allow them to enter into some kind of a sustainable withdrawal level that they perceive to be within acceptability to their finances/psychology whether they would be choosing to completely live off of their bitcoin and/or to supplement other income sources (whether those other income sources require work or they are passive).  Bitcoin would mostly be a passive source of income, except whatever work might need to be done in order to manage and/or account for it.


Back up funds are surely helpful to the extent that income might not cover all expenses, and surely we have situations in which our income and/or our expenses might become erratic - yet the longer that we are building our bitcoin holdings, we might also be able to have flexibility in regards to which we are continuing to buy bitcoin every month or not and if we are avoiding selling any bitcoin.. .and those seem to be two sides of the same coin.  It would seem that the longer that we are building up our bitcoin stash then our back up funds might also have its core components in cash, but we also might have other kinds of funds that might not be in cash, so we have various options when we have ups and downs in our discretionary income... to the extent that we are still buying bitcoin or not once our bitcoin stash is starting to get to a decently large level, even if we calculate that we had not reached overaccumulation status, yet.


You might be correct, Princess Leah that we are talking about a certain level of patience, yet we also might be referring to a certain level of readiness, willingness and/or ability to learn as we go.

It is quite possible that some folks might come into bitcoin and they won't even have a 4-year investment timeline, and many of us would argue that they have a trader mindset rather than an investor mindset, yet surely guys can invest in bitcoin and learn at the same time, and it seems to me that there should be a certain level of priority to want to learn about the thing that is being invested into, which would seem that the longer the learning, then the more likely that there would be plans that would involve considering bitcoin as an investment rather than as a trade... but yeah, not everyone is going to come around to that kind of thinking, and it seems a bit wasteful for someone to invest $100 per week into bitcoin for 9 years or longer, and then perhaps use that money to make a downpayment on a house and/or to become a no coiner (or an extreme low coiner).

In the last 9 years, if a guy had invested $100 per week into bitcoin, he would have had invested right around $47k, and then he would have right around 5 BTC.. so yeah, he could be tempted to use some or all of that money to buy something like a house which would surely be an inferior place to put the money even though I don't blame folks for wanting to save up bitcoin for certain specific targets that they might have.

The guy might have options besides selling most if not all of his bitcoin, yet he might not be able to help himself in regards to certain things that he wants (and perceives that he needs) and he might think that he has the right idea in regards to the role that bitcoin plays in terms of his being able to reach his goal... but then he ends up as a no coiner or an extreme low coiner.

By the way, even plugging 5 bitcoin right now into a time-based sustainable withdrawal system, there would be an ability to withdraw nearly $29k per year forever and ever and ever, and even give a 7% per year increase in the dollar value of the withdrawal, so it seems really retarded to use such bitcoin and/or to drain the bitcoin stash down to very low amounts based on a lack of appreciation of the value of bitcoin as compared with other places that the bitcoin could be placed.

So, yeah, people can have way shorter timelines and they can end up being dumb because they failed/refused to spend a sufficient amount of time understanding the asset (namely bitcoin) that they had been investing into and how such asset could be used in a sustainable kind of a way once it reaches a certain meaningful size

 
It seems that even guys who might end up making mistakes of cashing out too much bitcoin too soon, the more that they learn about bitcoin, they may well come to realize that if they are going to make a mistake in terms of their selling too much bitcoin too soon, then they might at least choose to reduce the amount that they choose to sell so that they mitigate some of the future damage to themselves in regards to how much bitcoin they end up selling and at what points of time they end up selling some of their bitcoin stash.


I am coming around to the idea that monitoring of bitcoin holdings is good for everyone who is seriously trying to invest in bitcoin rather than trade in order to reinforce his conviction and to allow him to make sure that he understands where his bitcoin investment is and to make sure if their are weaknesses in his cashflow and his back ups, he is going to need to fix them as he goes, and one of the better (if not the best) way of making tweaks to their system and to improve both their finances and their psychology is by paying attention...

And, surely some folks are weak willed, which likely means that they have to have financial systems in place that allow them to build ways of building up their conviction in bitcoin so that they are not tempted to sell too much too soon (and likely if they are in their first cycle - or even two) they have to be careful in regards to any sales that they might make since they should be ongoingly buying and reinforcing buying practices no matter the price..

so if they end up tempted to sell when they should be ongoingly buying, then they probably don't even understand what they are doing.. so it is hard to know how to get them to understand what they are doing when they don't understand it... Perhaps if they cannot handle their bitcoin investment and detaching themselves emotionally from the size of it, they might have to reduce their weekly contribution amount to a point that it is not bothering them anymore.... so maybe they had been investing $100 per week, and maybe they have to reduce themselves to $30 per week until they get themselves comfortable with that level and then they are later able to increase their weekly investment amount.

I am not really sure how to deal with these matters, even though I presume that 97.5% of the world's population has common sense and/or they are able to develop skills around their common sense - which includes that they would like to make money rather than lose money with their bitcoin investment, so sometimes they are going to have needs to learn around their common sense and not rush their bitcoin investment, even though everyone who has common sense and discretionary funds needs to get started investing into bitcoin and continuing to invest into bitcoin on something like a weekly basis or whatever regular time interval makes sense to the person.. yet at the same time, if they are missing certain skills and they are lacking confidence and/or comfort in what they are doing, then they likely have to reduce the size of their weekly investing amounts until they are able to build up their comfort and/or confidence to a level that they are able to increase their weekly (or whatever interval) investment amounts.


In the beginning, there is likely ongoing assessments, weekly, monthly, quarterly and yearly, and then as they get more used to the various systems that they are practicing, then they may not need to assess and/or reassess as frequently.


Exactly!!!  Someone who is not monitoring and investing time, energy and/or value into bitcoin is likely ending up behaving in ways that are overly whimpy in regards to their bitcoin investment and they may well end up having regrets later because they did not spend enough time, energy and/or value in regards to one of the best (if not the best?) of assets that is available to everyone and anyone with discretionary funds.

Sure, if they study bitcoin and they ongoingly choose to invest whimpily into bitcoin then that is their choice, and surely some people might have had heard of bitcoin, yet they don't want to figure out ways to dedicate some time to look into it further, and it is likely that somewhere around 99% of the world's population fits into a category in which they are failing/refusing to look into bitcoin further, even though they heard about bitcoin - bitcoin adoption rates seem to reflect such ongoing  and persistent lack of looking into bitcoin from the various normies of the world, which yeah, is too bad for them.


It is true that guys who start investing into bitcoin may well learn along the way, and change some of their tactics based on the learnings that they had been making along the way, and surely for beginners, there can seem like so much and/or even too much to learn, even though getting started investing, even small amounts should be helpful in terms of getting normies to look further into bitcoin based on their taking a stake in it.. .. and yeah, surely there are different kinds of people in regards to how curious they might be and how much they might choose to look into variou0s matters in their lives, whether bitcoin or any other thing that's in their life, including sometimes time management and changes in priorities when their might be some justification in making some adjustments - even though normies might get tied up in their own ways of how they spend their time with work, family, recreation, hobbies and even other investments that they might have. I am not even suggesting that it is easy for some people to purposefully block out 2-6 hours per week to spend on "looking further" into bitcoin.. and if they at least spend some time getting started and starting to buy every week, they also might figure out that it is good for them to figure out ways that they are able to block out some time for bitcoin each week, whether that is 2-6 hoours or some other amount of time that they might be able to block out..


Surely it could be that if a person cannot control his own emotions, he might need to learn how to do that, and perhaps one of the first things to do is to reduce their position size until they become more comfortable with their likely need to make sure that they are engaging themselves with bitcoin rather than engaging in tactics (of staying away from bitcoin) which might not work to their benefit. 

They can limit themselves in terms of time, energy and/or value that the invest into bitcoin, yet it seems that bitcoin is a thing that should be monitored and learned about in order that the aggressiveness can be increased to as high of a level that is reasonable without overdoing it, and the level to invest into bitcoin that is reasonable is likely going to differ for each person, and it is likely that each person has to figure out his own limitations and also to strive towards improving upon them - especially if he might be wanting to advantage himself with regards to his involvement in bitcoin, which is likely a commitment that is 4-10 years or longer, and surely many of us consider bitcoin to be a longer than 10 commitment which justifies that folks figure out comfortable boundaries and likely being careful not to approach bitcoin in ways that are overly whimpy and/or overly detached.

Sure each of us has to figure out his limits including the extent to which we might have regrets if we either over-invest or underinvest into bitcoin based on our own lack of finding balances that are reasonable for ourselves.

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É uma ideia para mostrar ate onde poderia ir o bitcoin,  num cenário super otimista.

Sinceramente,  nao acho que vale considerar esse valor como algo realista.

Antigamente cada ATH multiplicava o valor por 10x, 5x, 3x etc. No último ATH nao chegamos nem a dobrar o valor do último (foi 69k e agora chegamos a 120k)

Entao, dificilmente chegaremos a dobrar no próximo ciclo. Sinceramente,  acho que 200k nos próximos 4 anos ja é bastante otimista.

Gambling has energy that will continue to attract us to gamble more, this has affected me several times before I noticed that something might be wrong with me. A player can gamble and lose $100 then get annoyed, deceide to leave gambling for a while but the next day could attract him to try and get his lost money back with additional profit. This is how we become comfortable with gambling even when losing is inevitable.

It depends on the amount of money lost

If you lose $20 , you may become upset for a few moments  , but it will pass and you will forget about it later on.

This is why it is impossible to only gamble your "fun money"

Just like spending $60 in a new game for your ps5, you can spend $60 gambling and that is it .

You don't need to spend your savings in gambling  ..

I dont like the LN implementation in electrum,  too complex for me and most users

Well it's good they finally remembered android after all these while lol... Anyways I hate to say this as an ELECTRUM fan but I'm not too impressed with the updates. I like the fee part but for the biometrics it's a big NO. I don't fancy biometrics that much on most wallets because I find PIN  more effective.

I have one separate email just for bitmover, this online identity related to cryptocurrencies and online forums  , casinos mixers and exchanges.

There is a lot of garbage in that email.  Certainly it is an amazing idea to create separate emails for different subjects. My personal email is way different

Não tenho investimentos em nada da bolsa hoje, e também acho que o time já passou, não sei... vejo com bons olhos apenas esperar agora, vejo que o ouro e a prata estão subindo infinitamente, mas também tudo que sobe cai, mesmo que momentaneamente, bem, confesso que nessa parte estou meio perdido, fiquei muito tempo alocado all in e deixei de lado outras possibilidades de investimento, vamos ver se os demais colegas compartilham algum tipo de visão interessante que faça-nos abrir os olhos para outros tipos de mercado.

Investir nessas empresas que estao listadas acima é estar fora da bolsa tb. É basicamente estar investido em btc.

O negocio é se expor a outros riscos.

Por exemplo, se voce acredita que os EUA nao estao em colapso, quer pegar o trem da AI, das big tech, etc, voce pode comprar o sp500. É facil comprar no brasil pela B3 mesmo. O ticker ivvb11

Acho que vale citar as empresas de tesouraria brasileiras:

Meliuz (CASH3) e oranjebtc(OBTC3)

It's challenging for newbies to do DCA for their investment practice as they do neither have enough knowledge, belief in Bitcoin future, the market nor experience for doing DCA with time.

If they already began their DCA investment practice well, it's less challenging to apply DCA for their withdrawals. It is possible to apply DCA for taking profit and if they don't know about this DCA take profit strategy, they can learn.
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Yup, we should have a seperate email for our personal use and other one that can be used for other purposes, but usually when people signup they will prefer to use their main personal email becasue they think that the personal email is more secure and since there will be actual money on the gambling site, we usually register with our main email.

Although we shouldn't be receviing email if we have unsubsrcibed but still these days there are mailboxes powered with AI that can auto classifiy the emails. Also you can mark email as junk and it will only show in junk folder and won't bother you in the main Inbox.

Ah, da pra ver ainda muito mais estrelas do que satélites. Na verdade, nem é tão comum assim ver satélites, pelo menos aqui no Brasil.

Sempre que olho pro céu vejo as constelações conhecidas... É mais quando vou para lugares fora da cidade que consigo ver os satélites alinhados da starlink

I am not sure Churchillvv.   Surely guys can figure out what they are going to do, whether they are going to adjust once they have reached certain  statuses, and it would not be impossible for a guy to invest 150% of his annual income into bitcoin within 5 years.  Let's plug the specific numbers into an example, and then you tell me what you would do, or what any reasonable (bitcoin enthusiast) guy should do?

Let's say that we have a guy who is in his late 20s (let's say he is currently 28).  Right around the time that he was 19 years old, he got trained as an electrician, and it took him around 3 years before he started to be able to earn a steady income of $30k (sure he might have had gotten promotions etc, but we are going to use this as an example for simplicity sake). 

Largely he started to invest $180 per week (about 31% of his income) into bitcoin when he was 23, and he had largely already established his back up funds system to a sufficient amount and he led a very low consumption lifestyle.  So if he started investing in bitcoin 5 years ago, then that would have had been January of 2021, and so he accumulated about 1.16 bitcoin during that time.

Perhaps he plans that he is going to keep on working and keep on accumulating BTC until his bitcoin stash can support an income of at least $80k per year.  He might tentatively consider that once his bitcoin stash can support him at least $80k per year, then he is going to quit his work and live off of his bitcoin.

When he looks at the projection of sustainable withdrawal, he sees that his current stash of 1.16 BTC would support an income of about $6,700 per year ($560 month), which truly is not even close to enough.  He also looks into the [ur=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5376945.msg65653923#msg65653923l]future projections of BTC prices (specifically the 200-WMA projections), and he sees that maybe in about 2035 or sometime after that[/url], he might be able to get a sustainable withdrawal income of $80k per year with a bitcoin stash size of around 2 BTC, so what do you think that the guy is going to do?

I personally think that he is motivated to keep stacking BTC.

Do you think that the guy should be motivated in some other way?  Of course, he could give up on BTC or change his mind or cash out what he had so far accomplished, yet I am not going to presume that he is going to do such a thing, even though guys can do whatever they like (even dumb shit).

I think that part of my point is that a guy who had already spent 5 years aggressively stacking bitcoin, is likely to be informed based on his current BTC stash and also he can reassess his goals in light of the progress that he had already made.  Each person has to answer for himself whether he is going to stick with the same path or if he is going to modify his path.  I would concede that it might be difficult for anyone to continue to sustain an investment rate that is something like 31%, so it may well be prudent of him to decrease the percentage of his income that he is investing.  A guy in his late 20s might also be subjected to promotions, especially a guy who has electrician training.


We were not talking about leveraging.

We were talking about investing 150% of the annual income over 5 years.  That is about 31% per year of the annual income... which is a lot, but it is possible to accomplish in some circumstances.

You are talking about (responding to) something else, which was not what anyone said.

That’s not really a big issue then since it can be easily fixed on our side. Casinos usually keep sending emails about their promos, which is why I personally don’t want to mess up the main email I use for business and daily life outside gambling. I just create a separate email for gambling only. That way it doesn’t get mixed in, and all we receive there are gambling promos from different casinos we sign up with.

Perhaps in such scenarios guys who must have reach such level of accumulation is likely to continue the accumulation process yet not as much as they would be aggressive in the early days, hence I also imagine one could at some point want to stop accumulation or probably have the thought to take profit 4 years or 1 cycle after he must have reach the over accumulation position, yet arguably over accumulation is likely never reached in most cases as guys who have cultivated the discipline to accumulate bitcoin over a long term might want to still keep the energy regardless of how much BTC they might have been able to accumulate.

Additionally, I also have figured out that it’s quite obvious that we have a very few number of guys who might have reach a significant position of accumulation where they would consider it necessary to start withdrawal processes hence if not little to no one in this thread have been able to achieve the over accumulation position judging from our registration dates, however we might achieve such position in the next 2 to 3 cycles more if we are able to maintain the discipline to keep accumulating, knowing that bitcoin is quite not 100% guaranteed yet more guaranteed than every other investment one can think of today, hence accumulation is one of the most top priorities that guys like me will keep up with.

It is easy to imagine of an investment with a price of Bitcoin goes up next 5 years but we know 5 years is not a too short waiting time. Especially in situation of leveraging your investment capital with 150% of your annual income, this practice turns to be very risky.

That person need money to spend, and by leveraging 150% of annual income for investment in Bitcoin, that means the person already overspend money for investment while he will need to have money for regular bills and spendings. This greedy and leveraged investment style puts that person's financial status at verge of bankruptcy anytime.

If his income source is broken, his finance will be in big trouble. Another case is if Bitcoin won't go up but go down instead in next several years.

If I try to unsubscribe and keep receiving emails, I just report spam and block the sender.

Some other day a friend asked me for a suggestion for a third party custodial service. I said he should make his own custody.

However, he is afraid of physical threat,  kidnapping,  etc... I live in a dangerous country.

I think thay this may make some sense. Although I still prefer self custody

If a guy has reached overaccumulation status, then he has the option to sell however much he wants, and he does not have to worry, especially if the amount that he sells does not knock him out of overaccumulation status.

Let's say that a guy who had an income of $30-$50k per year over the past 10 years, he had been investing into bitcoin over the past 10-ish years at around $120 per week, and he had figured that he was going to consider starting to sell some of his bitcoin and maybe even quit his job and then enter into some kinds of a time-based sustainable withdrawal practice once his bitcoin would be able to sustain the withdrawal of at least $80k per year. 

Even though he was usually making his weekly bitcoin buys in a manual way, he remained concerned that once he quit his job that he would ONLY be able to rely upon his bitcoin, so he wanted to make sure that he had enough bitcoin and even more than enough bitcoin, and recently when his bitcoin had crossed over 19 BTC, he thought that maybe he should reassess his situation and figure out if he has enough bitcoin to sustain at least an $80k per year income.

Accordingly, when he plugged his numbers into the website, he was able to see that right now (today) 13.8855 BTC would be enough to support an $80k per year income, and that 19 BTC would be enough to support a $109.5k per year income.  Accordingly, he realized that he had slightly more than 5 bitcoin extra (36% more than the amount that he needed for his $80k per year target amount). He also realized that since he was valuating his bitcoin stash and his withdrawal rate based on the dollar value of the 200-WMA, he could give himself a 7% raise each year in terms of the dollar amount that he was authorizing himself to withdraw each year. 

This hypothetical guy is in a real good position, and even if he were to choose to shave 10% off his BTC stash right now in order to get started (which would be 1.9 BTC), then he could choose to do so, if he wanted, and he would still be more than 3 BTC in overaccumulation status, so he surely could shave off 10% since his overaccumulation amount was quite a bit more than 10%. He is currently right aroudn 36% overly accumulated.   


What?  I see that you have been registered here for more than 8 years, so maybe you have already been able to accumulate enough or more than enough bitcoin, or maybe you are no longer in your early bitcoin accumulation phases.. yet I doubt that there are very many guys in such a position that they have already accumulated a decent quantity of BTC.

In other words, anyone who is in their first whole cycle and maybe even up to their first 2 cycles, they likely would be ongoingly buying bitcoin, so why would the price be making many differences for guys who are still accumulating bitcoin? 

Are you suggesting (or recommending) that guys need to modify their bitcoin accumulation approach based on the BTC price?


There probably is nothing wrong with hoping or even saying two prayers per day for bitcoin, as long as those prayers (and hopening) is coupled with ongoing and persistent action at least during the period that guys are still accumulating bitcoin.

Hope and prayer can help to reinforce connection, yet it can be quite problematic when guys do not couple their prayers (and hope) with substantive and material and meaningful actions that go beyond the mere praying and hoping. 

Hoping is not a plan, similar to waiting rather than ongoing buying does not tend to be a good plan, either.

By the way, even researching and investigating into bitcoin and ongoingly learning more about bitcoin, those are not bad kinds of actions as long as they are also accompanied with ongoing and persistent buying of bitcoin within reasonable boundaries of discretionary funds.  Of course, there are some folks who either do not have discretionary funds and/.or they do not have sufficient discretionary funds in order to feel confident that if they were to invest in bitcoin that they might not need that money for expenses... Accordingly, those folks might not be in a position to buy bitcoin and might need to try to figure out ways to increase their discretionary funds, and it could even be the case with some folks that they do not have current abilities to increase their discretionary funds, so then those kinds of people would not be in a position to invest into bitcoin.


Why the fuck do you need to know the concept of "cryptocurrency" in order to understand bitcoin?    You seem to be getting the matter reversed in terms of priorities.  Guys should learn bitcoin first, and sure they might come to understand that bitcoin is a cryptocurrency, and they will also learn about the existence of various shitcoins that attempt to lump  and convolute the ideas of cryptocurrencies that ends up contributing to several confusions and even affinity scams related to various shitcoins trying to compare themselves to bitcoin.


Hm?  Well at least it appears that you realize that this thread is about bitcoin, so perhaps you are not totally lost with your choice to start your post with a vague and misleading term (referring to your choice to start out suggesting that there is some need to learn about "cryptocurrency."


I doubt it is very easy to know bitcoin very well, especially for newbies to bitcoin, and there are a lot of guys in bitcoin who have difficulties "knowing" bitcoin very well.

I see that overall your post seems to be focusing on bitcoin price movements and trying to give some confidence to the idea that bitcoin prices are quite likely to both have extreme price moves and that bitcoin prices are likely to recover.

Sure  there is nothing really wrong with considering bitcoin from the perspective that its prices are likely to recover.. especially over a longer time period, yet you seem to be relying on past price performance rather than touching upon anything related to what bitcoin is, which you seem to both imply that you might know what bitcoin is even though you ONLY describe bitcoin in terms of price movements and at the same time referring to bitcoin as one of many "cryptocurrencies" - which causes me to wonder if you really have any clues about bitcoin when you seem to be feeling some need to describe it within the context of being within the cryptocurrency category.

If a guy has reached overaccumulation status, then he has the option to sell however much he wants, and he does not have to worry, especially if the amount that he sells does not knock him out of overaccumulation status.

Let's say that a guy who had an income of $30-$50k per year over the past 10 years, he had been investing into bitcoin over the past 10-ish years at around $120 per week, and he had figured that he was going to consider starting to sell some of his bitcoin and maybe even quit his job and then enter into some kinds of a time-based sustainable withdrawal practice once his bitcoin would be able to sustain the withdrawal of at least $80k per year. 

Even though he was usually making his weekly bitcoin buys in a manual way, he remained concerned that once he quit his job that he would ONLY be able to rely upon his bitcoin, so he wanted to make sure that he had enough bitcoin and even more than enough bitcoin, and recently when his bitcoin had crossed over 19 BTC, he thought that maybe he should reassess his situation and figure out if he has enough bitcoin to sustain at least an $80k per year income.

Accordingly, when he plugged his numbers into the website, he was able to see that right now (today) 13.8855 BTC would be enough to support an $80k per year income, and that 19 BTC would be enough to support a $109.5k per year income.  Accordingly, he realized that he had slightly more than 5 bitcoin extra (36% more than the amount that he needed for his $80k per year target amount). He also realized that since he was valuating his bitcoin stash and his withdrawal rate based on the dollar value of the 200-WMA, he could give himself a 7% raise each year in terms of the dollar amount that he was authorizing himself to withdraw each year. 

This hypothetical guy is in a real good position, and even if he were to choose to shave 10% off his BTC stash right now in order to get started (which would be 1.9 BTC), then he could choose to do so, if he wanted, and he would still be more than 3 BTC in overaccumulation status, so he surely could shave off 10% since his overaccumulation amount was quite a bit more than 10%. He is currently right aroudn 36% overly accumulated.   


What?  I see that you have been registered here for more than 8 years, so maybe you have already been able to accumulate enough or more than enough bitcoin, or maybe you are no longer in your early bitcoin accumulation phases.. yet I doubt that there are very many guys in such a position that they have already accumulated a decent quantity of BTC.

In other words, anyone who is in their first whole cycle and maybe even up to their first 2 cycles, they likely would be ongoingly buying bitcoin, so why would the price be making many differences for guys who are still accumulating bitcoin? 

Are you suggesting (or recommending) that guys need to modify their bitcoin accumulation approach based on the BTC price?


There probably is nothing wrong with hoping or even saying two prayers per day for bitcoin, as long as those prayers (and hopening) is coupled with ongoing and persistent action at least during the period that guys are still accumulating bitcoin.

Hope and prayer can help to reinforce connection, yet it can be quite problematic when guys do not couple their prayers (and hope) with substantive and material and meaningful actions that go beyond the mere praying and hoping. 

Hoping is not a plan, similar to waiting rather than ongoing buying does not tend to be a good plan, either.

By the way, even researching and investigating into bitcoin and ongoingly learning more about bitcoin, those are not bad kinds of actions as long as they are also accompanied with ongoing and persistent buying of bitcoin within reasonable boundaries of discretionary funds.  Of course, there are some folks who either do not have discretionary funds and/.or they do not have sufficient discretionary funds in order to feel confident that if they were to invest in bitcoin that they might not need that money for expenses... Accordingly, those folks might not be in a position to buy bitcoin and might need to try to figure out ways to increase their discretionary funds, and it could even be the case with some folks that they do not have current abilities to increase their discretionary funds, so then those kinds of people would not be in a position to invest into bitcoin.


Why the fuck do you need to know the concept of "cryptocurrency" in order to understand bitcoin?    You seem to be getting the matter reversed in terms of priorities.  Guys should learn bitcoin first, and sure they might come to understand that bitcoin is a cryptocurrency, and they will also learn about the existence of various shitcoins that attempt to lump  and convolute the ideas of cryptocurrencies that ends up contributing to several confusions and even affinity scams related to various shitcoins trying to compare themselves to bitcoin.


Hm?  Well at least it appears that you realize that this thread is about bitcoin, so perhaps you are not totally lost with your choice to start your post with a vague and misleading term (referring to your choice to start out suggesting that there is some need to learn about "cryptocurrency."


I doubt it is very easy to know bitcoin very well, especially for newbies to bitcoin, and there are a lot of guys in bitcoin who have difficulties "knowing" bitcoin very well.

I see that overall your post seems to be focusing on bitcoin price movements and trying to give some confidence to the idea that bitcoin prices are quite likely to both have extreme price moves and that bitcoin prices are likely to recover.

Sure  there is nothing really wrong with considering bitcoin from the perspective that its prices are likely to recover.. especially over a longer time period, yet you seem to be relying on past price performance rather than touching upon anything related to what bitcoin is, which you seem to both imply that you might know what bitcoin is even though you ONLY describe bitcoin in terms of price movements and at the same time referring to bitcoin as one of many "cryptocurrencies" - which causes me to wonder if you really have any clues about bitcoin when you seem to be feeling some need to describe it within the context of being within the cryptocurrency category.

All results are uncertain.this is what we were just talking about.

Barcelona or Liverpool are the best, but they may have a draw or even lose. And if that happens  you lose the bet as well...

Sports bet isn't easy as it looks like...

If you reach the level of over accumulation and you hold your Bitcoin for a minimum of 4 years, the only time you can sell 10 percent of your Bitcoin is only when you want to use the money to buy important things like groceries, but if you want to sell 10 percent of your Bitcoin just because you want to take some profits from your Bitcoin investment, it is a very bad way of selling your Bitcoin because you will not make good profits from your Bitcoin investment. The best way to sell your Bitcoin investment is when you are fully satisfied with the profits you are seeing in your Bitcoin portfolio.

Men who still fantasize about big profits in their own minds should focus more on their efforts, rather than simply serving illogical thoughts. The effort they must make is clear: investing with funds they have specifically set aside without disrupting other aspects of their lives, so they can patiently wait for the returns from their investments. New investors now find it easier to find good examples from experienced investors who have been patient in Bitcoin investing, thus increasing their enthusiasm for investing without being pressured by anyone.

Furthermore, Bitcoin has recently experienced frequent price corrections after a slight increase, as happened yesterday. However, this is not considered an opportunity by some people who want to become new investors at this time, even though now is a very good point to buy and continue to make regular purchase plans for the next few months.

The market is ultimately not in our control, so no matter how much we hope, there is no guarantee that it will be exactly as we expect. That is why there is nothing wrong with hoping and expecting, it encourages us to hold on, we can be excited about future success and for this we can hold on to investments with more confidence. But in the end we must be ready to accept negative results. Because no matter how much potential and expecting we have, there is no guarantee and we cannot get anything for sure based on probability alone.

the problem is that if you don't understand the concept of cryptocurrency then you will panic when the price of some of them decreases in the market,

let me use bitcoin as a example, if price of Bitcoin decreases in the market no people that bought Bitcoin will be afraid that the price of Bitcoin will decrease more so that is what cause some of them to panic,

I believe that anyone that knows about bitcoin very well will not panic to say due to what it seen from the market but someone who has not experienced how bitcoin price decreases that person will be on quick run to sell bitcoin.

Have you self-excluded yourself from Bitsler? Or have you decided to leave it? If there is no difference between the mail server for promotional mail and basic mail, then likely you can't unsubscribe. If it's only mail server for sending mails then can't be unsubscribe. Otherwise Bitsler couldn't send you any emails, even if it's necessary.

If you decided to leave Bitsler, then you may request self-exclusion and ask to unsubscribe manually from the promotional mails. Often they use mail servers for sending promotional emails and have to ask support if self-unsubscribing doesn't work. Remember, you may miss some important emails if you fully unsubscribe.

I think it is important to fix this.

If I try to unsubscribe and keep receiving emails, I just report spam and block the sender.

It is important to respect users decisions to restrict emails or unsubscribe when requested.

I never tried to unsubscribe from the promotional email of Bitsler. They don't send the promotional emails regularly. So, I can't verify and tell you whether it is working now or not. Have you unsubscribed from the promotional messages by clicking on the 'unsubscribe button' of the email? Or have you done it from the settings page of your Bitsler account?

Questions for the community:

Has anyone dealt with similar MetaMask blocklist situation?
Any ways to escalate this?
Is there any accountability for moderators who blocklist legitimate services without evidence?

Any advice appreciated. This is affecting our users who get phishing warnings when they shouldn't.

All results are uncertain.this is what we were just talking about.

Barcelona or Liverpool are the best, but they may have a draw or even lose. And if that happens  you lose the bet as well...

Sports bet isn't easy as it looks like...

Se não me engano já ouvi o "Gordão Foguetes" falando sobre o assunto.. agora não achei o link do vídeo.. mas se não me falhe a memória ele comentava justamente isso, essa empresa chinesa tem muitos poucos satélites para funcionar direito.. e no ritmo que estavam, iriam demorar muito, mas muito tempo para chegar a sua meta de 10 mil..

Então esse acordo do governo é meio sem sentido..

Still no higher rank after Legendary which is a shame as that’s something I think that would be a good addition. It’s fairly easy to become a Legendary Member within, let’s say 5-6 years.

I think we need something for the >10,000 Merit Received and >4000 Activity crew, something that takes more than a decade to achieve.

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Another problem with dcaing is knowing when to exit...
Like do you need to DCA forever?
Like, do you at some point or after some years begin take profit during the bull market and then, buy more during the bear market.
Will there be a time that you will decide to sell all your portfolio?

These and more questions honestly need to be answered.

Não dá pra competir com a Starlink.
No caso da reportagem os caras tem um satélite que tem maior velocidade que os da starlink... Um satélite! Imagina a área de cobertura

Só que o Elon Musk (starlink) tem mais satélites do que todos os países do mundo combinados.

Some other day a friend asked me for a suggestion for a third party custodial service. I said he should make his own custody.

However, he is afraid of physical threat,  kidnapping,  etc... I live in a dangerous country.

I think thay this may make some sense. Although I still prefer self custody

Your saying is with a big assumption that those people did not sell their bitcoins too early and they still hold bitcoin in 2025 or 2026 years. While we know that it's really hard to hold bitcoin in 10 years with many bull and bear market together with a lot of fud. In past years, when Bitcoin market was younger and more sensitive to fud and regulations, it was harder to maintain strong belief in bitcoin and able to hold bitcoin with diamond hands.

From now, Bitcoin ROI with years and cycles will become smaller than past years and previous cycles but I believe that if we can invest and hold bitcoin for 10 years toward the future, ROI would be very good, just not exponential like past cycles.

A recommended withdrawal strategy from JayJuanGee.
https://bitcoindata.science/withdrawal-strategy

Coinomi is working since 2014 and have a solid reputation.

Sure, but using old outdated crap wallet is more risky, and Cake can also be installed on computer.

That coinimi crap is literally not working, but you can do whatever you like.

I don't like installing new software: one way or another, it increases the risks more than using what I have already. And I only use it for dust, that's all I need on mobile.

I tried cake and it is not as good as coinomi.

I think you are too harsh in your opinion about coinomi dkbit98 . And you never used it.

All results are uncertain.this is what we were just talking about.

Barcelona or Liverpool are the best, but they may have a draw or even lose. And if that happens  you lose the bet as well...

Sports bet isn't easy as it looks like...

In my own part of the world, 60 years is the official retirement age of every civil servant and some funds are deducted from the beginning of your career until you're 60 after which you are meant to start recieving your pension which was saved up. This too reflects bitcoin acculturation and HODLing until you are 60 years old. So it is not late to start spending at 60 because no one knows how soon he will die neither does anyone know how long he would stay. If you leave for 90 years, you spend for 30 years and if you have been actively spending without accumulation for the period of 30 years (let's use this @JJG's illustration using the 42.3BTC as a yardstick). If you spend $200k annually, from the age of 60, you would exhaust the entire stash in little less than 19 years (assuming bitcoin remains at $89k).

At this exhaustion, you are only 79 years by then, so have you stayed too old to own a bitcoin? Don't you also wish to leave anything behind for your NOK should you eventually die off before old age?

I don't think that there should be much emphasis on selling off bitcoin when you are still less than 60 and in active service (could be business or civil service) as long as you still own an active source of income. At over accumulation stage, an investor may choose to end his accumulation process, but holding for a longer period could guarantee more profit and better old age experience because bitcoin should be a retirement plan.

"I'm not depositing anymore or I'm not at the point of depositing anymore" is a disturbing statement and has created confusion. The idea that an investor will move towards selling his investment after seeing that his investment target has been met is wrong. Rather, it may be that after meeting his target, he will increase his investment with a new goal or become more serious about his investment.

I have always found it confusing that he will not deposit anymore,

that is, his mind expresses that he has not achieved any success from the market by holding on for a long time,

whereas in the past few years, we have seen a lot of changes in the market and those who have been able to hold on for a long time have finally achieved success. So I think it is better for us to avoid such misleading comments.

I'm not sure if someone's habits as to how they manage their finances makes them a real or fake Bitcoiner really.

If someone bought bitcoin in lump sum even before 10 years ago they will be insanely rich right now so yes they are enjoying their early reitrement but we can't say the same thing sill happen in the next 10 years too like if someone buy bitcoin at 100K they will not be making 100x like they did from 2016 to 2026.

Still bitcoin is a great thing but relying enitely if someone is just starting today and plan to reite in the next 30 years then I will say I am not sure about that.

All withdrawals have been cancelled on my end due to the delay, trying either small amounts or different wallets to see if this nonsense ever ends.

I think 5 days is a pretty reasonable time to wait for a solution.

Were there cases where Exolix blocked funds of customers?

I am just aware of the case you mentioned, of Exolix sending stolen coins to a user.

According to the description in OrangeFren, Exolix should have refunded the stolen coins, not given that coins to another customer.

Were there cases where Exolix blocked funds of customers?

I am just aware of the case you mentioned, of Exolix sending stolen coins to a user.

According to the description in OrangeFren, Exolix should have refunded the stolen coins, not given that coins to another customer.

Trying to go off topic a bit, because I like this particular point:

If you dont have to sell another satoshi, why accumulate more?
When is the time to spend your money? I hope you are not waiting until you are in your 60s or 70s to spend it.
 
Because dying with all those bitcoins is just silly. Spending money is also an important point of lofe: money is a tool that can maximize our happiness and comfort and allow us to have amazing experiences

I think the withdrawal tool can be used as a guide in such direction