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Quote from: mikel_012 on July 27, 2026, 08:21:16 PM

É verdade, mas é diferente investir na Uber no começo e ela atingir um valor de alguns anos de lucro com SpaceX que valeu $2 trilhões e virou a quarta empresa mais valiosa nos Estados Unidos mesmo sem lucro compativel, passando até a Microsoft

O valor da empresa, não se resumo ao lucro.

É verdade como o bitmover diz, que provavelmente a SpaceX não vai fazer o investimento x100, como aconteceu com outras empresas. Isto porque ela já esta a operar a muito tempo e quando entrou no mercado publico, já era uma empresa muito valorizada.

No caso da SpaceX o valor da empresa esta naquilo que ela faz. Leva pessoas ao Espaço. Quantas empresas privadas fazem isso? Existem mais 2, que mesmo assim, ainda estão atras da SpaceX. Só o facto de fazer algo que mais nenhuma outra empresa faz, e valiso.

Depois, tem o lado que não se vê, a tecnologia desenvolvida: software, hardware e investigação. Os investidores diretos aproveitam isso diretamente, sem custos adicionais, e em primeira mão.

Uma Google, não esta a espera de receber o retorno financeira via dividendos da SpaceX. Mas, talvez quer ser a primeira a montar um datacenter no Espaço, com um custo de transporte bem mais reduzido do que outros que queiram fazer. Ou, ser a fornecedora principal de serviços digitais e cloud. Enfim, existe muitas outras coisas, que nós nem vimos, que podem gerar lucro para os investidores.

Quote from: Sulegzy39 on July 27, 2026, 09:46:32 PM

Investing in Bitcoin necessitates confidence and prudent income.

What the fuck is "prudent income"? Is that some vague nonsensical term that you read someone else write, so you thought that it sounded smart?

Quote from: Sulegzy39 on July 27, 2026, 09:46:32 PM

Those that employ conservative income will surely be able to sustain their Bitcoin investment for a long time, and you should establish an emergency fund to keep your Bitcoin investment safe. New people will feel more safe if they build on this approach, because by following it and the DCA method for a long time, they will be able to produce a wealth of money in the future with a small investment.

I understand what you are saying which might relate to making sure to use discretionary income to buy bitcoin and to not use all of your discretionary income to buy bitcoin. That makes sense if you don't use dumb ass vague terms like "prudent income"

Quote from: Sulegzy39 on July 27, 2026, 09:46:32 PM

While weekly investment in Bitcoin is the most crucial, if you have enough money, you may use the DCA approach to buy Bitcoin while keeping a little amount of cash. Then your Bitcoin investment will be able to perform more safely in the future, and you will certainly be successful in the long term if your strategy is sound.

Keep little amounts of cash? That sounds dangerous.

How come you are not building up back up funds? Also, are you starting out with low levels of back up funds and you are also suggesting to merely keep a little bit of cash? That comes off as a recipe for disaster.

There are likely many folks who had already been in the practice of maintaining back up funds prior to coming to bitcoin, since so many people are likely worried that they have enough money to cover all of their basic expenses until the next time that they get paid, so each pay period and perhaps even over long periods of time (even prior to coming to bitcoin) they may well would have already been in a practice of keeping 2-6 weeks of cash that would be able to cover the fluctuations in their discretionary funds that might result in lower income and/or higher expenses.

And, surely some people are better at keeping back up funds than others (even before getting involved in bitcoin investing).

So a brand new person to bitcoin may well already have some practice of keeping some back up funds, and even though we frequently talk about guys who get into bitcoin and they have absolutely no back up funds, those kinds of guys are likely the exception rather than the rule when it comes to how normal people try to behave in terms of managing their income and/or expenses.

I am not even claiming that bitcoin newbies are good at managing their income/expenses, yet we cannot necessarily presume that guys who have already had income/expenses, they have also tended to have some incentives to make sure that they do not run out of money between paychecks.

At the same time, there could be some guys who have large amounts of cash already that they had been saving when they come to bitcoin, so when they come to bitcoin, it may well be practical (and "prudent") for them to consider allocating some of their already built up savings towards buying bitcoin. Those are individual choices, and surely many of us recognize and appreciate that there are benefits in having more money to be able to invest rather than having less money or no money or barely having discretionary funds without any back up funds.

In any event, many of us also tend to talk about how it is likely a good practice to build up bitcoin holdings and backup funds at the same time, even though the rate of building them up might not be at the same rate - depending on personal preferences in that regard.

Quote from: IceLincoln on July 27, 2026, 10:19:37 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on July 27, 2026, 05:53:51 AM

Yep @MarjorieZimmermanGinger is not distinguishing between basic expenses and discretionary expenses. He is also calculating in a pretty fucking high level of discretionary funds to be able to invest 30% and put 20% into emergency funds (back up funds). Most people cannot even come close to those levels of discretionary income.

When a guy has a lot of discretionary funds he tends to have a lot of options as compared with normal people who struggle to be able to invest/save consistently 10% of their income. For some reason MarjorieZimmermanGinger is able to save/invest 50% of his income. That is not typical at all.

Since MarjorieZimmermanGinger has been registered on the forum since April 2017, he must be rich as fuck by now if he had been investing 30% of his income into bitcoin for more than 9 years, then he would have had been able to put 3 years of his income into bitcoin, which truly would be remarkable results.

I will do a quickie look at the matter. Let's say that he earned $30k per year, and he was investing 1/3 into bitcoin since April 2017, then that would be $10k per year invested and so therefore right about $93k invested which would have had accumulated just over 8 bitcoin, which would be a great place to be for a guy with a $30k per year income..

Right now 8 BTC could support an income of about $3,500 per month, which would be $42k per year which is right around 40% higher than his current income, which would truly be fuck you status, even though maybe he wants to accumulate a bit more?

While @MajorieZimmermanGinger’s case is impressive, it isn’t quite typical to everyone else.

It sounds quite unusual and unlikely, even though there are guys who either have really high income levels or they have other assets that they can bring into bitcoin that might allow them to invest into bitcoin at a rate that is around 30% per year for 9 years or more.

Quote from: IceLincoln on July 27, 2026, 10:19:37 PM

It’ll not be easy for just anyone to split their income into two halves using one part for necessary daily life expenses and the other for investment and savings (backups) and doing it consistently must be a high earner or some one with unusually low expenses.

That is exactly the case. Most people struggle to get their discretionary funds even close to those kinds of levels, even though it is not impossible, it is just a bit of an unlikely scenario that MarjorieZimmermanGinger seems to be describing (unless he made some mistakes in his description?).

Quote from: IceLincoln on July 27, 2026, 10:19:37 PM

And with the narrative you’ve given it makes it clearer… I’ll also like to be in my fuck you status one day. However, for the normal guy he has to plan for his basic expenses first and sort out his discretionary income to be able to remain consistent with his investments.

I frequently suggest that if guys are able to invest on the high end of the range, then they are likely to put themselves into some variation of fuck you status faster, and surely the guys who started in bitcoin more than 10 years ago, had circumstances in which stacking reasonably aggressive levels of their income into bitcoin would have resulted in very great returns and abilities for a lot of guys to get to some variation of their fuck you status, even though, at the same time, a number of old timers screwed up, too. The mere fact of being in bitcoin more than 10 years does not automatically put those guys into fuck you status right now, even if some of them might have been able to at least get a reasonably good headstart towards getting to some variation of fuck you status.

Another thing, as you suggest, guys have to work within their own parameters, so many times I mention 5% to 25% of income put into bitcoin as being a fairly reasonable range of options, yet at the same time, if guys are able to invest towards the top of that range, such as 15% to 25%, they are doing quite well. It is difficult to be able to consistently invest higher than 25%, and even in some circumstances, it might not be a good idea to try to invest more than 25% since those kinds of levels might be pushing the limits of guys' abilities and the limits of their discretionary funds.

Quote from: JayJuanGee on Today at 05:53:51 AM

Yep @MarjorieZimmermanGinger is not distinguishing between basic expenses and discretionary expenses. He is also calculating in a pretty fucking high level of discretionary funds to be able to invest 30% and put 20% into emergency funds (back up funds). Most people cannot even come close to those levels of discretionary income.

When a guy has a lot of discretionary funds he tends to have a lot of options as compared with normal people who struggle to be able to invest/save consistently 10% of their income. For some reason MarjorieZimmermanGinger is able to save/invest 50% of his income. That is not typical at all.

Since MarjorieZimmermanGinger has been registered on the forum since April 2017, he must be rich as fuck by now if he had been investing 30% of his income into bitcoin for more than 9 years, then he would have had been able to put 3 years of his income into bitcoin, which truly would be remarkable results.

I will do a quickie look at the matter. Let's say that he earned $30k per year, and he was investing 1/3 into bitcoin since April 2017, then that would be $10k per year invested and so therefore right about $93k invested which would have had accumulated just over 8 bitcoin, which would be a great place to be for a guy with a $30k per year income..

Right now 8 BTC could support an income of about $3,500 per month, which would be $42k per year which is right around 40% higher than his current income, which would truly be fuck you status, even though maybe he wants to accumulate a bit more?

While @MajorieZimmermanGinger’s case is impressive, it isn’t quite typical to everyone else. It’ll not be easy for just anyone to split their income into two halves using one part for necessary daily life expenses and the other for investment and savings (backups) and doing it consistently must be a high earner or some one with unusually low expenses.
And with the narrative you’ve given it makes it clearer… I’ll also like to be in my fuck you status one day. However, for the normal guy he has to plan for his basic expenses first and sort out his discretionary income to be able to remain consistent with his investments.

Quote from: joker_josue on July 22, 2026, 06:43:11 PM

Quote from: bitmover on July 22, 2026, 06:41:13 PM

Is there anyway to copy and paste an image url, or from the mobile clipboard? Maybe add an input where we could paste the image?

Something is planned to help with this process on mobile. Wink

That will great, Sometimes it's kind of annoying to have to manually select screenshots taken from your mobile phone to upload them.

Anyway, here I have one more small request. I don't know if someone has already suggested it, but the thing is that I mostly upload images and use width attributes to give them the correct size, and I believe that there are many others like me. But after uploading images in TalkImage, there are only height attributes in Embed codes to make the image size smaller or larger.
If it is not a complex task, can the width option be implemented here? The request is not such that it has to be fulfilled now, but when you are free, I think implementing width options here will give the options in a complete form.

Thanks everyone for a great week / Payments for 25 week are on their way. ^{[Exchange rate: 64,500]} Wink

LTU_btc, bitmover, TryNinja, internetional, NotATether - Bonus sent!

Quote from: mikel_012 on Today at 02:41:19 PM

A empresa hoje não dá tanto lucro para ter esses valores

As pessoas compraram apelas pelo hype e por que é uma empresa do Elon Musk, esqueceram em casa que ações devem ter preços condizentes a uma perspectiva de lucro futuro realista

Ninguém compraria um restaurante para lucrar apenas em 50 anos ou apostar que o lucro vai multiplicar por 10 rapidamente sem que tenha muitos motivos práticos para isso

Com a Tesla foi igual Cheesy

agora não sei como está.. mas imagino que ela segue sobrevalorizada quando se compara a outras montadoras.. em questão de veículos vendidos, etc..

Teve quem apostou contra a Tesla com base nisso e se deu mal.. lembro que o Ulrich foi um deles.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 12:45:06 PM

Um "detalhe" interessante, é que o valuation dela em 2022 era de cerca de $127B , cerca de 13x menos o valor da IPO Cheesy

Google investiu US$ 900 milhões em 2015.. "hoje" (quando estava no topo) a posição vale US$ 94 bilhões Tongue

Fonte: https://jornaleconomico.sapo.pt/noticias/google-revela-participacao-de-941-mil-milhoes-de-dolares-na-spacex/

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 12:45:06 PM

Quote from: sabotag3x on July 26, 2026, 10:00:46 PM

Quote from: bitmover on June 25, 2026, 11:29:37 AM

E já não é mais trilionário desde ontem

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Musk’s net worth dropped to $957 billion, per the Bloomberg Billionaire Index.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/elon-musk-isn-t-a-trillionaire-anymore/ar-AA26rPCZ

Agora está com US$ 725 bilhões.. perdeu quase metade da sua fortuna.. a esquerda comemora Tongue

Pois é, a SPCX já caiu para $115, ligeiramente abaixo da IPO

Um "detalhe" interessante, é que o valuation dela em 2022 era de cerca de $127B , cerca de 13x menos o valor da IPO Cheesy

Se nao me engano, chegou a bater 1.5 T Grin

https://spacexstock.com/spacex-funding-rounds-key-investors-by-stage/

Acho que o pessoal começou a ver onde estava se metendo. Vi vários posts mostrando o prospecto da SpaceX e basicamente tudo que eles pensam em alcança envolve tecnologias que não existem ou coisas nunca feitas antes. O hype foi para fazer parte das empresas Musk. Acredito que eles consigam, mas vai demorar anos e pelo preço de hoje não vale o risco.

Quote from: Silikiem on Today at 04:26:03 AM

Quote from: MarjorieZimmermanGinger on Today at 03:01:15 AM

Quote from: IceLincoln on July 26, 2026, 10:28:45 PM

I don’t think you fully understand what it means to invest on bitcoin for the long term. You wouldn’t because you trust Bitcoin to do well in the long term and go overboard with your investing. Investing from your income and neglecting your immediate responsibilities.
If you don’t consider basic expenses or necessities you’re just gambling and it’s a risky move cause you’re not investing with your discretionary or having any backup funds.

Most people focus on the investment process, but they neglect other needs, resulting in poor performance. Sometimes we need to make adjustments because life throws up unexpected events. In such situations, if someone isn't able to manage their finances well, they're bound to run into problems. Long-term investing should be simple, as the focus isn't solely on the investment amount, but rather how to consistently manage it. To be successful, it's best to create plans for dealing with life's challenges, such as how to manage finances, both in terms of meeting the needs of family and the amount of money invested regularly.

I usually create a simple formula for managing my finances, dividing my money into three parts using the 50/30/20 formula. This method works for me because I can allocate the money I earn at work appropriately: 50% for living expenses, 30% for investments, and 20% for an emergency fund. This method makes me much better prepared to face life's challenges, as we sometimes face inflation which doesn't affect my investments.

I think this method of you allocating some percentage of your regular income to living expenses, investments and emergency funds could be a bit problematic because you’re not truly sure of how much your living expenses might accurately measure or consume, looking at how most economic situations are very unstable especially from my own region, the economic condition is so unstable to a point where you could go and buy some essentials in the market for a certain price today, and you could go back the next day only to find out that the price of that particular commodity you previously bought has increased, so in that instance it’s going to be troubling because you will then have to go back to your invested money or perhaps sell your bitcoin holdings in order to get some cash to sort out the basic needs which could destroy your long term investment goal because you’re always selling too early, and most of the time you might be selling at a huge loss due to high level of bitcoins volatility. Instead of making wrong estimates or making assumptions, why not first sort out your basic needs when you receive your regular income, and then the money left with you which is your discretionary income can now be used to invest In bitcoin comfortably, as you can now decide how much of that your discretionary income you’ll want to allocate towards buying bitcoin and how much of it you’ll want to allocate towards building up your emergency and other back up funds. I think this is the best way to go about it as what is required to invest In bitcoin is the discretionary income and this discretionary income can only be figure out when we’re done sorting out our basic needs successfully.

Yep @MarjorieZimmermanGinger is not distinguishing between basic expenses and discretionary expenses. He is also calculating in a pretty fucking high level of discretionary funds to be able to invest 30% and put 20% into emergency funds (back up funds). Most people cannot even come close to those levels of discretionary income.

When a guy has a lot of discretionary funds he tends to have a lot of options as compared with normal people who struggle to be able to invest/save consistently 10% of their income. For some reason MarjorieZimmermanGinger is able to save/invest 50% of his income. That is not typical at all.

Since MarjorieZimmermanGinger has been registered on the forum since April 2017, he must be rich as fuck by now if he had been investing 30% of his income into bitcoin for more than 9 years, then he would have had been able to put 3 years of his income into bitcoin, which truly would be remarkable results.

I will do a quickie look at the matter. Let's say that he earned $30k per year, and he was investing 1/3 into bitcoin since April 2017, then that would be $10k per year invested and so therefore right about $93k invested which would have had accumulated just over 8 bitcoin, which would be a great place to be for a guy with a $30k per year income..

Right now 8 BTC could support an income of about $3,500 per month, which would be $42k per year which is right around 40% higher than his current income, which would truly be fuck you status, even though maybe he wants to accumulate a bit more?

Quote from: examplens on Today at 07:36:19 PM

I remember that there was another exchange that had the same problem with MetaMask and one person who refused to remove a legit site from the blocklist. That chat lasted a long time, and the person on the other end was quite unapproachable for any constructive discussion.

Then it means this is not the first time they are falsely labelling a service as phishing without any proof and seem to have their egos bruised once an appeal is made.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 09:04:08 PM

I think they are being cautious because there are some services which were initially legit and later on became exit scam.
I remember a few years ago a mixer which was also blocked in metamask , got unblocked and then made an exit scam...

I think after a few time metamask will unblock splash, as long as there is an open issue and they keep operating

If I recall well, 3 or 4 issues have been opened and Alex does not even want to listen/read/research. He just closed the issues and moves on. I think he is an incompetent sadist.

Quote from: bitmover on June 25, 2026, 11:29:37 AM

E já não é mais trilionário desde ontem

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Musk’s net worth dropped to $957 billion, per the Bloomberg Billionaire Index.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/elon-musk-isn-t-a-trillionaire-anymore/ar-AA26rPCZ

Agora está com US$ 725 bilhões.. perdeu quase metade da sua fortuna.. a esquerda comemora Tongue

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 09:04:08 PM

I think they are being cautious because there are some services which were initially legit and later on became exit scam.
I remember a few years ago a mixer which was also blocked in metamask , got unblocked and then made an exit scam...

I think after a few time metamask will unblock splash, as long as there is an open issue and they keep operating

It's perfectly fine for them to be careful, but you can't ruin someone's business because you react slowly when you misjudge a legit site. At the same time, there have never been more phishing sites, and many are still without MM warnings.
Otherwise, referring to this case (the bad thing is that the exchange has already been in maintenance mode for a long time). A certain AlexHerman1 from MetaMask seemed pretty pissed off here.

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Its time for yet another brief overview of local boards activity, and this time for June 2026. All charts and table are made using data from @DdmrDdmr Merit Dashboard and Bitlist.

Communities marked with * (Pakistan, Bengali) don't have their own local boards yet, but are part of this overview anyway.

Post activity per local board during June 2026

During June, 13659 posts were written across 18 local boards, which is a small decrease compared to May numbers (13781). No change at the top 3: Nigerian far ahead, followed by Russian and Turkish local boards, while Pakistani overtook German board at the 4th spot.

I wonder what are Pakistani members missing in order to get the local board, since their numbers are strong month after month, and its going on for years.

Active members per local board during June 2026

1290 members wrote at least one post in one of the local boards, and is a small decrease compared to month before, as during May 1322 members were active. Nigerian board once again had more than 400 active members, while Russian board was far behind with still respectable 282 members. On the other side of the chart, the usual names- Romanian and Greek, and Bengali is slowly joining them.

Local board members per amount of posts during June 2026

When it comes to the percentage of members who wrote only 1 post in their board during last month, the leader is Greek board with 62% while at the same time Pakistan had only 13% of such members.

At the 2-9 posts bracket leader is French board with 56%, while Greek had 12% members.

Regarding the 10+ posts bracket, the leader is Croatian with 50%, and French board had no members who wrote 10+ posts.

Merit shared per local board during June 2026

During June, 6573 merit was sent across local board, making it decrease compared to May, during which 6655 merit was sent. Even though there was a small decrease compared to month before, one big board had a huge increase, and that is German board that went from 489 merit in May to 1267 in June.

Merit/Post ratio per local board during June 2026

In June, an average merit per post across local boards was 0.48, exactly the same as in May. This time Italian board had the highest ratio, followed by German and Romanian locals, while Greek dropped down to a very low 0.03 merit per post.

Merit senders and receivers per local board during June 2026

525 members sent while 601 received merit in one of the local boards, whixch is not a big change compared to May (536 senders, 586 receivers). Needless to say, Nigerian board is dominating this chart as well, even more than in previous months, while French is joining Greek board at the bottom.

Percentage of merited posts across local boards during June 2026

Once again Romanian board is at the top of this chart with 59% of merited posts, while Italian is not that far behind with respectable 52%. And then we have Greek board where only 0.03 posts got merited (translated, 1 post).

Merit per transaction across local boards during June 2026

And for the end of this series of charts, the one that gives a little bit more info on meriting habits of each local board.

The most active members per local board during June 2026

The last but not the least, the list of the most active local board members. After few months, joker_josue from Portuguese board is once again at the top with 153 posts, while jokers10 (138) and Numeral (128) from Russian board are at the 2nd and 3rd spot. Gj guys, keep it up!

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1. jokers10 [138]	\|	1. mole0815 [65]	\|	1. mandown [109]	\|	1. Ale88 [45]	\|	1. joker_josue [153]	\|	1. Porfirii [33]	\|
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3. safar1980 [111]	\|	3. cygan [61]	\|	3. Xyloo [61]	\|	3. Plutosky [44]	\|	3. bitmover [67]	\|	3. Don Pedro Dinero [24]	\|
4. klarki [107]	\|	4. MinoRaiola [57]	\|	4. yenerbatmaz [60]	\|	4. Italian Panic [44]	\|	4. TryNinja [50]	\|	4. Filicius [23]	\|
5. Julien_Olynpic [102]	\|	5. Soonandwaite [55]	\|	5. kriminall [58]	\|	5. gbianchi [40]	\|	5. alegotardo [48]	\|	5. seoincorporation [20]	\|
6. tvplus006 [97]	\|	6. Lakai01 [53]	\|	6. MK-74 [58]	\|	6. fillippone [35]	\|	6. Forsyth Jones [39]	\|	6. clarkk01 [20]	\|
7. internetional [82]	\|	7. 5tift [47]	\|	7. Mustang Shelby [57]	\|	7. bitbollo [33]	\|	7. mikel_012 [28]	\|	7. darxiaomi [18]	\|
8. dwyane36 [79]	\|	8. Koal-84 [40]	\|	8. Hvdv [55]	\|	8. Cassius55 [19]	\|	8. criptoevangelista [28]	\|	8. danadc [15]	\|
9. Alex077 [71]	\|	9. Real-Duke [36]	\|	9. RaltcoinsB [54]	\|	9. Paolo.Demidov [18]	\|	9. marrcelo [28]	\|	9. GazetaBitcoin [14]	\|
10. zasad@ [69]	\|	10. Buchi-88 [27]	\|	10. Valcendier [51]	\|	10. bitcoiner180 [16]	\|	10. rdluffy [26]	\|	10. Marmeladka.cc [12]	\|

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1. Chikito [110]	\|	1. AURORE12 [5]	\|	1. Peanutswar [48]	\|	1. Daniel91 [45]	\|	1. Floxynice [99]	\|	1. khaled0111 [35]	\|
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3. joniboini [39]	\|	3. TryNinja [4]	\|	3. tech30338 [30]	\|	3. katanic97 [34]	\|	3. Africolo [50]	\|	3. yhiaali3 [27]	\|
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Quote from: bitmover on July 25, 2026, 04:40:40 PM

PIX é muuuuito melhor que a LN pra comprar coisas. LN é uma porcaria Cheesy

que UI e UX horrorosa...

Por isso é que eu digo que é complicado.
Enquanto a comunidade não fizer as coisas mais user friendly, adoção será dificil.

Muitos dizem que se for mais user friendly coloca-se em risco a segurança.
Mas, a inovação é isso. Fazer as coisas user friendly, mas mantendo os níveis de segurança. Não se tem de comprometer com isso, tem de estudar soluções e inovar, para tudo ficar seguro.

Quote from: bitmover on July 25, 2026, 04:40:40 PM

Mas tem usos interessantes para quem busca privacidade. Já ouvi até de iniciativas para limpar moedas usando LN, para fazer bate papo usando LN, etc...

Para quebrar ligações/limpar moedas, é interessante. Torna-se é um processo um pouco mais demorado, e feito com detalhe.

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Quote from: bitmover on July 24, 2026, 01:45:47 AM

Unless you are in a hurry to spend the funds, long time for confirmations is not a problem at all.

Even with a zero confirmation transaction you can rest assured that the coins will arrive at your wallet, as the exchange already sent them..

Don't forget that we also provide a guarantee through letters of guarantee.

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Quote from: bitmover on Today at 01:45:47 AM

Unless you are in a hurry to spend the funds, long time for confirmations is not a problem at all.

Even with a zero confirmation transaction you can rest assured that the coins will arrive at your wallet, as the exchange already sent them..

The problem is the bitcoin price can move and you receive less because in 1 hour a lot can happen like world news

Another day I needed $200 but received $180 in another exchange because the confirmation was slow Sad

Quote from: arwin100 on Today at 11:43:33 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on Today at 05:48:44 AM

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 01:53:50 AM

Quote from: Ambatman on July 23, 2026, 09:36:02 PM

But don't think it's the right time to go all in

All in? Man, you should never go all in in any stock, specially this one.

Spacex is highly speculative, and the upside is limited.

Spacex was worth about 100 billion in 2022, that is about 15x in the last 4 years. You wont see even 3x in the next 4 years. The upside is limited now, and their plans are long term.

It is already a top 10 company in the world , but it is in red right now, they lost 5 billion just the first quarter this year.

SpaceX should definitely be a part of a diversified portfolio and not an all in target. I disagree about the lack of upside though. I think it will be the first $100,000,000,000,000 market cap company. Even after merging with SpaceX that would be a ~x35. I think it happens in the next 15 years. I would be happy with that return.

Diversification really have sense at all, but it seems that your projection is so ambitious or maybe to much. Since reaching at that level SpaceX needs huge revenue streams, massive global adoption on its technologies offered, also their execution will became so flawless on different industries.

No doubt that their performance or trajectory is truly impressive, but leaping on what you are describing requires a lot which so far If I'm not wrong no company has achieved those conditions.

If they succeed more in future, maybe success will became more massive. Although we cannot guarantee that it will happen.

Quote from: OgNasty on Today at 05:48:44 AM

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 01:53:50 AM

Quote from: Ambatman on July 23, 2026, 09:36:02 PM

But don't think it's the right time to go all in

All in? Man, you should never go all in in any stock, specially this one.

Spacex is highly speculative, and the upside is limited.

Spacex was worth about 100 billion in 2022, that is about 15x in the last 4 years. You wont see even 3x in the next 4 years. The upside is limited now, and their plans are long term.

It is already a top 10 company in the world , but it is in red right now, they lost 5 billion just the first quarter this year.

SpaceX should definitely be a part of a diversified portfolio and not an all in target. I disagree about the lack of upside though. I think it will be the first $100,000,000,000,000 market cap company. Even after merging with SpaceX that would be a ~x35. I think it happens in the next 15 years. I would be happy with that return.

Diversification really have sense at all, but it seems that your projection is so ambitious or maybe to much. Since reaching at that level SpaceX needs huge revenue streams, massive global adoption on its technologies offered, also their execution will became so flawless on different industries.

No doubt that their performance or trajectory is truly impressive, but leaping on what you are describing requires a lot which so far If I'm not wrong no company has achieved those conditions.

If they succeed more in future, maybe success will became more massive. Although we cannot guarantee that it will happen.

Quote from: joker_josue on July 23, 2026, 05:30:34 PM

Quote from: bitmover on July 23, 2026, 10:59:41 AM

Quote from: joker_josue on July 23, 2026, 06:37:38 AM

Quote from: alexrossi on July 22, 2026, 11:48:08 PM

pra quem acredita que o dinheiro fisico vai acabar em breve:

como vc acham que a corrupcao vai continuar existir? Duvido que logo vai passar tudo em crypto

tem muita gente no poder que tem todo o interesse a deixar vivo o dinheiro em especie

Mas tu achas que a grande corrupção faz-se apenas com dinheiro físico? Claro que não.
Muita da corrupção nem envolve dinheiro, envolve "favores".

Algo como: tu fazes com que eu ganhe um concurso publico, e eu construo a tua casa. Ou, os jantares oficiais são feitos no meu restaurantes e pago menos impostos, e tu tens almoços/jantares familiares grátis.

Agora, claro que sempre vai existir pressão para o dinheiro físico não acabar. Essa gente que tu falas, irá até incentivar os populares a se manifestarem contra. Por isso, acho que essa narrativa do "controlar a população" surge tanto.

Aqui é outro nivel de corrupção... Quem dera se só roubassem jantares.

Aqui a galera compra navio de 1 bilhão de dólares e paga 6 bilhões e quando descobrem colocam sigilo de 100 anos nas informações.
Ou então descontam uma contribuição sindical (que nunca deveria existir) de todos os aposentados do país, e na verdade o dinheiro (1.6 bilhões de reais) vai direto pra conta do filho do presidente Cheesy

Era só ilustrativo.

Mas esse dinheiro não é vivo, é movimentabdo fruto de um negócio. Que a primeira viste esta tudo bem, mas no final envolve um grande esquema...

Mas adicionado um bit amais no meu raciocínio, a corrupção de baixo nível é aquela mais comum

Sem ser favores millonarios que envolvem troca de ap ou coisas do tipo, se é negocio de 1000 - 10000 - 20000 reais, mto facilmente vai ser feito em dinheiro

Sem falar da questão do rastreamento, ate para usos legítimos porem privados, que acredito seja um fator para o dinheiro em especie sobreviver

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 01:53:50 AM

Quote from: Ambatman on July 23, 2026, 09:36:02 PM

But don't think it's the right time to go all in

All in? Man, you should never go all in in any stock, specially this one.

Spacex is highly speculative, and the upside is limited.

Spacex was worth about 100 billion in 2022, that is about 15x in the last 4 years. You wont see even 3x in the next 4 years. The upside is limited now, and their plans are long term.

It is already a top 10 company in the world , but it is in red right now, they lost 5 billion just the first quarter this year.

SpaceX should definitely be a part of a diversified portfolio and not an all in target. I disagree about the lack of upside though. I think it will be the first $100,000,000,000,000 market cap company. Even after merging with SpaceX that would be a ~x35. I think it happens in the next 15 years. I would be happy with that return.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 01:45:47 AM

Unless you are in a hurry to spend the funds, long time for confirmations is not a problem at all.
...

Interesting point, it's something that must keep in mind using exchanges and third party wallet.
Just because they can accept deposit ONLY with a specific timeframe or they accept deposit with a specific change of USD/BTC.
Best option (peace of mind Grin

) use a wallet and keep it all easy.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 01:45:47 AM

Unless you are in a hurry to spend the funds, long time for confirmations is not a problem at all.

Even with a zero confirmation transaction you can rest assured that the coins will arrive at your wallet, as the exchange already sent them..

When it comes to genuine exchanges like Dex.fo then it makes sense to wait sometime to get the funds. Since sometimes network can be congested and that means a transaction will take some time but most probably those transactions get completed on time.

Only in few cases, transactions can take sometime, in most cases they get completed in short time. For Bitcoin transactions one has to wait at least 10-40 minutes as that's the most probable time frame to have confirmations if network isn't congested.

Quote from: alexrossi on July 23, 2026, 04:41:32 PM

Quote from: bitmover on July 23, 2026, 10:53:31 AM

Quote from: alexrossi on July 22, 2026, 12:14:26 PM

Agora sim, eu acho que temos um modelo matador da concorrencia

Sempre duvidei dos elétricos no brasil pela utilização majoritária que faço: cidade na semana mas no final sempre viagem, sempre pensando na questão de abastecer o elétrico em qualquer lugar (Longe de ser realidade no br).

é inegavel que ter uma bateria elétrica para os pequenos deslocamentos na cidade é ótimo, inclusive é aonde o motor térmico sofre mais, mas sempre fiquei com duvidas em relação a ser um carro principal (o único ne, porque nem todo mundo pode ter dois carros), e os híbridos atuais estavam com o preço la encima

Dizem que esse dolphin vai chegar a 130mil reais. Eu acho que vai vender muito.

Já está vendendo muito, apesar de todos os problemas que você citou. Mas ainda não vende mais do que o Strada ou o HB20 e outros modelos mais estabelecidos... mas é um crescimento impressionante.

Aqui no Brasil ainda não chegaram nem as ferrovias, tecnologia do século XIX, imagina postos pra abastecer carros elétricos Cheesy

Acho que funciona bem pra Uber e pra quem não vai nunca fazer uma viagem de carro, ou ir pra cidades vizinhas no dia a dia, por conta das dimensões do Brasil.

Poise, ate esse hibrido chegar, eu também apesar de reconhecer a qualidade de fabricacao do chines, nao era atraído por ser 100% eletrico

Agora de verdade tudo muda, eu com certeza futuramente vou considerar, após ver algumas avaliações sobre o desempenho do térmico + elétrico

Já tive carro híbrido convencional (HEV) flex fuel...pra BR OK o uso.

Quanto aos PHEV (Plugin Hybrid) prefiro acompanhar mais uns anos acerca da infraestrutura de carregamento, em especial os carregamentos rápidos e ultra rápidos, que não tem em qualquer lugar e que não é qualquer carro que aceita. Embora reconheça que em SP tem aberto mais eletro postos particulares.

Agora, se a pessoa tem o wallbox devidamente instalado/dimensionado em casa, aí fica menos esse problema na conta, só restando pensar no que será a revenda destes carros num leque de 5 anos ou mais.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 09:03:48 PM

Companies such as Telegram, the seller of the phone number, CoinEx will only share your information if you have done something illegal and authorities are looking for you.

Companies won't share their customer information just because someone asked.

Exactly, why would OP be having this kind of thought and question, I am not trying to accuse him of scamming but is it what he is discussing with his planning to do, while knowing what will happen if he does from the forum?

The question seems like a plan that had been set on ground, whether if he strike, it may backfire, so him trying to know the future is the reason why he comes on here.

If that's your plan OP, don't do it, it's never worth it.

Quote from: bitmover on July 22, 2026, 01:53:47 AM

I dont know yet.

But it is still heavily overpriced imo, too much risk.

It is still a 1.6T marketcap company. I wouldnt enter anything higher than 1 T, so probably only in $ 60-80 range....

I think same too
Though I have gotten some unit so as not to mix any if it doesn't fall below $100
I'm optimistic about it
But don't think it's the right time to go all in
The hype was alot and definitely overpriced what I can say is those shorting are taking a huge risk.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 09:03:48 PM

Companies won't share their customer information just because someone asked.

They might. Okay, not exactly if anyone asks, but if the request comes from a legitimate authority many companies will cooperate without much fuss. Its none of their business whether you did something illegal or not - thats up to the courts to decide.

@hack3rcon, its probably not the brightest idea to ask for instructions online if you are already planning on doing something illegal. Just saying. Wink

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 08:17:04 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on July 22, 2026, 10:34:21 PM

And, by the way, weren't you (@bitmover) working on some tweaks to a new fuck you status page/tool that we might be able to agree to go public with? or maybe I missed some of the latests tweaks to such new tool that might be in my court...

Many of us likely realize that when the BTC prices are depressed (like currently), then guys are not really thinking about fuck you status as frequently and obsessively as when BTC prices start to recover and then when the BTC prices start to move up, then guys start to more frequently imagine ways in which they might be able to quit their jobs and fuel their current lifestyles (or their future fantasy lifestyles) with the bounds of their current bitcoin holdings and/or their future anticipated bitcoin holdings.

I am expecting your reviews to make it public! Do you think we can make it public already?

That URL is working, we can already share it.

I was waiting for you to respond to our latest interactions.. Maybe we can take this to PMs..

Quote from: mikel_012 on July 22, 2026, 09:37:04 PM

Mas para comprar café da manhã não vale muito por que tem que ficar esperando confirmações e a taxa é alta considerando o valor

Há quanto tempo que estamos pagando 1 sat/vB por transação ou até abaixo de 1 sat/vB? Já tem mais de 2 anos? Está barato demais transacionar com Bitcoin.

Quote from: Mindyspace on July 22, 2026, 09:12:22 PM

Também vejo dessa forma. O PIX e o Bitcoin atendem propostas bem diferentes. O PIX ganhou o dia a dia porque é extremamente mais prático, mas isso não muda os motivos que levam alguém a usar Bitcoin. E para pagamentos, acho que stablecoins têm muito mais potencial do que o próprio Bitcoin.

stablecoins pode ser mais prático, mas é quase a mesma coisa que o PIX, é centralizado, pode ser confiscado, por que não usar o Bitcoin de uma vez, que além de barato é descentralizado? Usar stablecoins pode ser útil em cenário de bear market como estamos agora.

Quote from: joker_josue on Today at 05:36:15 PM

Quote from: alegotardo on Today at 01:40:26 AM

Bitcoin já começa com a "complexidade" de você ter que fazer a autocustódia, o que já é demais para muitos, se colocar uma LN para eles operar ainda... esquece, PIX sempre ganha Tongue

Acho que esse tem realmente sido o maior entrave para uma maior adopção do Bitcoin.

Num mundo onde as pessoas querem as coisas cada vez mais simples, o Bitcoin ainda é complexo, principalmente numa fase inicial.

Sim, o tempo de transação pode ser chato em alguns cenários, mas existem muitos cenários que isso não é uma questão.

Baixar uma carteira, fazer backup (anotar uma senha de 12/24 palavras), definir uma senha pra carteira é complicado? Depois de ter feito essa configuração inicial, fica literalmente a mesma coisa que o PIX pra usar: escanear QR code, copia e cola chaves/endereços.

Esses dias fui abrir uma conta no banco do brasil, só faltou me pedir prova de vida e ainda sim me recusaram.

Quote from: criptoevangelista on Today at 11:31:36 AM

POis é cara, eu uso 100% cartão de crédito também, eu sinceramente nunca vou conseguir entender a lógica de uma pessoa pagar as coisas no PIX por exemplo ao invés de usar o cartão de débito, que é praticamente a mesma coisa, cara eu fico muito puto quando vou no mercado por exemplo, uma fila enorme e a pessoa resolve pagar a compra no pix, tipo, geralmente o sujeito ainda ta sem internet, ai pede a senha ao caixa... loga no banco, aponta QR code, digita senha etc etc.... não seria mais fácil por o cartão de debito e ser feliz? outra coisa, acho totalmente bizarro a pessoa em ambiente publico abrir a conta bancária perto de várias pessoas estranhas para usar pix... pra mim pix serve pra mandar dinheiro rapido e facil pra outras pessoas e no maximo pagar uns boletos de forma mais ágil, já que é tudo meio instantâneo... fora desse cenário, apenas cartão de crédito - débito.

POis é, pix é útil pra pagamentos de contas, transferências em dinheiro, mas é muito monitorado e vai ficar ainda pior com o split payment, acho que o pix deve perder popularidade e as pessoas vão entender o quão ruim é o pix pra privacidade, uma ferramenta de vigilância, eu uso porque sou obrigado a usar.

Quote from: bitmover on July 22, 2026, 09:31:34 PM

Depende do uso.
Pra receber em campanhas de assinaturas no forum é mil vezes melhor do que pix.

Vc ia preferir dar seu CPF pra um gerente da winna ou de um mixer pra receber pagamentos e postar no fórum? Depois pagar 1.1% de iof e 5% de spread pro banco? Wink

E se vc estiver viajando no exterior e quiser pagar 20 dolares pra uma pessoa por um motivo aleatorio, que nao aceite cartao de crédito.

Ou pra comprar coisas na Internet, como um domínio ou pagar a conta de um servidor na digital ocean. Bitcoin é mais rapido ou barato do que visa, pix, qualquer coisa que vc imaginar.

Pode ser ruim pra pagar por im cafezinho, mas quantas vezes por dia voce toma cafezinho na rua? Eu nao tomo quase nunca

Exatamente, cada coisa é melhor pra um tipo de uso:

Pix: pagamento de contas, transferência de dinheiro de pessoa para pessoa ou empresas.

Bitcoin: pra quem quiser ter maior privacidade, investimento a médio-longo prazo visando retornos, mas é imprevisível, ideal pra quem gosta de renda variável. Pagamento de serviços internacionais são mais aceitos, exemplos são os que você citou.

Stablecoins: é melhor que o pix, mas definitivamente não tem a mesma privacidade e não é descentralizado como o Bitcoin.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 10:59:41 AM

Quote from: joker_josue on Today at 06:37:38 AM

Quote from: alexrossi on July 22, 2026, 11:48:08 PM

pra quem acredita que o dinheiro fisico vai acabar em breve:

como vc acham que a corrupcao vai continuar existir? Duvido que logo vai passar tudo em crypto

tem muita gente no poder que tem todo o interesse a deixar vivo o dinheiro em especie

Mas tu achas que a grande corrupção faz-se apenas com dinheiro físico? Claro que não.
Muita da corrupção nem envolve dinheiro, envolve "favores".

Algo como: tu fazes com que eu ganhe um concurso publico, e eu construo a tua casa. Ou, os jantares oficiais são feitos no meu restaurantes e pago menos impostos, e tu tens almoços/jantares familiares grátis.

Agora, claro que sempre vai existir pressão para o dinheiro físico não acabar. Essa gente que tu falas, irá até incentivar os populares a se manifestarem contra. Por isso, acho que essa narrativa do "controlar a população" surge tanto.

Aqui é outro nivel de corrupção... Quem dera se só roubassem jantares.

Aqui a galera compra navio de 1 bilhão de dólares e paga 6 bilhões e quando descobrem colocam sigilo de 100 anos nas informações.
Ou então descontam uma contribuição sindical (que nunca deveria existir) de todos os aposentados do país, e na verdade o dinheiro (1.6 bilhões de reais) vai direto pra conta do filho do presidente Cheesy

Era só ilustrativo.

Mas esse dinheiro não é vivo, é movimentabdo fruto de um negócio. Que a primeira viste esta tudo bem, mas no final envolve um grande esquema...

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 10:53:31 AM

Quote from: alexrossi on July 22, 2026, 12:14:26 PM

Agora sim, eu acho que temos um modelo matador da concorrencia

Sempre duvidei dos elétricos no brasil pela utilização majoritária que faço: cidade na semana mas no final sempre viagem, sempre pensando na questão de abastecer o elétrico em qualquer lugar (Longe de ser realidade no br).

é inegavel que ter uma bateria elétrica para os pequenos deslocamentos na cidade é ótimo, inclusive é aonde o motor térmico sofre mais, mas sempre fiquei com duvidas em relação a ser um carro principal (o único ne, porque nem todo mundo pode ter dois carros), e os híbridos atuais estavam com o preço la encima

Dizem que esse dolphin vai chegar a 130mil reais. Eu acho que vai vender muito.

Já está vendendo muito, apesar de todos os problemas que você citou. Mas ainda não vende mais do que o Strada ou o HB20 e outros modelos mais estabelecidos... mas é um crescimento impressionante.

Aqui no Brasil ainda não chegaram nem as ferrovias, tecnologia do século XIX, imagina postos pra abastecer carros elétricos Cheesy

Acho que funciona bem pra Uber e pra quem não vai nunca fazer uma viagem de carro, ou ir pra cidades vizinhas no dia a dia, por conta das dimensões do Brasil.

Poise, ate esse hibrido chegar, eu também apesar de reconhecer a qualidade de fabricacao do chines, nao era atraído por ser 100% eletrico

Agora de verdade tudo muda, eu com certeza futuramente vou considerar, após ver algumas avaliações sobre o desempenho do térmico + elétrico

Quote from: bitmover on July 22, 2026, 06:59:17 PM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on July 17, 2026, 09:41:55 AM

The data is not complete because it's still being made through the completion of the Bear Cycle, which if the Four-Year-Cycle is still intact, then "the bottom" will be in October/November, 2026. IF it's NOT intact, then probably the bottom already happened OR we'll probably experience a longer Bear Cycle and lower bottom than what we'll see in October/November, no?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I found this chart which reminded me of this topic

Lets see how will this cycle go

There's merely three/four more months until October/November. Although buying NOW is good because Bitcoin is currently trading near its 200-Weekly SMA Line, another drawdown would be another Golden Opportunity for many plebs IF the Four-Year-Cycle is still intact.

Cool

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On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:27:54 PM CET, Dahman El_Harrachi (history) sent 1 Merit to theymos (history) for Re: Forum ranks/positions/badges (What do those shiny coins under my name mean?).
On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:27:22 PM CET, Tyrantt (history) sent 5 Merit to AdolfinWolf (history) for What is the function of the "Merit" score?.
On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:27:13 PM CET, Last of the V8s (history) sent 2 Merit to Rosewater Foundation (history) for Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion.
On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:12:21 PM CET, theymos (history) sent 1 Merit to AdolfinWolf (history) for What is the function of the "Merit" score?.
Full list (603 MB)

Usernames to go with theymos' data
Sample
0: deMerit (Bitcoin Forum) (history) earned: 0 Merit.
3: satoshi (history) earned: 8775 Merit.
4: sirius (history) earned: 935 Merit.
10: Xunie (history) earned: 1 Merit.
11: madhatter (history) earned: 16 Merit.
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3762178: Bamskki (history) earned: 4 Merit.
3762184: xiaoyu1222006 (history) earned: 1 Merit.
3762314: apide01 (history) earned: 2 Merit.
3762360: Midisk (history) earned: 1 Merit.
3762435: exWhale (history) earned: 1 Merit.
Full list^* (10 MB)

Usernames machine readable
Sample

Code:

0: deMerit (Bitcoin Forum)
3: satoshi
4: sirius
10: Xunie
11: madhatter
12: nanaimogold
13: SmokeTooMuch
14: The Madhatter
21: AgoraMutual
23: 1 currency now
24: dwdollar
26: NewLibertyStandard
27: riX
28: Sabunir
29: giik
30: BitcoinFX
31: Suggester
33: m0mchil
34: BlueSky
35: theymos
37: soultcer
40: xc
42: ec
49: Cdecker
51: DannyM
97: dsg
101: Goldstein
143: laszlo
145: ducki2p
146: Brandon
163: Karmicads
182: Derrick
183: hugolp
198: allinvain
203: HostFat
206: teppy
217: SirArthur
224: Gavin Andresen
237: lachesis
241: QuantumMechanic
244: nixoid
251: wobber
262: chaord
267: virtualcoin
269: Bitcoiner
270: llama
271: Timo Y
274: limikael
284: joey.rich
288: Stone Man
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3759272: WhatareYou
3759370: ArkonSwap
3759379: Crypto gbeegbe
3759389: Antidote47k
3759454: Nwaswago
3759482: Ribust
3759517: satsinesat
3759555: DroidDesk
3759560: hellowaza
3759674: VarJames
3759725: godisreal
3759766: KingVesting
3759808: Kannibal Hektor
3760211: 0xHashRaptor
3760228: lll555
3760243: proofra
3760275: Neha2399
3760276: DragonBites
3760305: redtrusts
3760506: smf24
3760625: gijane
3760686: legendo
3760707: aodrbxo
3760791: swedoc
3760817: lastpixellive
3760902: borrowonbitcoin
3760961: Ethereum1
3761001: buffetto
3761071: Droppies
3761141: paidfully
3761153: mickpaoli
3761170: Soulistic
3761237: IsItMiCACompliant
3761238: xmrbro
3761348: Gmax98005
3761385: shaketank
3761497: niso23
3761530: Priamex.com
3761538: Benedesuuuk
3761595: Khaleedmaine
3761676: Lytvynets1
3761774: scoorched
3761923: Korvane.io
3761990: Alex_Yann(Hammer Miner)
3761992: Diceftw
3762178: Bamskki
3762184: xiaoyu1222006
3762314: apide01
3762360: Midisk
3762435: exWhale

Full list (2 MB)

UserIDs, sent Merit and earned Merit machine readable
Sample

Code:

0:569:0
3:0:8775
4:0:935
10:0:1
11:0:16
12:0:1
13:3:96
14:0:13
21:0:2
23:0:1
24:0:9
26:0:19
27:0:54
28:0:13
29:0:4
30:380:800
31:0:1
33:0:27
34:0:4
35:14430:14706
37:0:6
40:0:4
42:0:69
49:0:5
51:0:2
97:0:2
101:0:2
143:0:2742
145:0:2
146:0:4
163:0:21
182:1:0
183:9:1
198:2:87
203:68:311
206:0:14
217:3:36
224:0:1492
237:0:6
241:0:9
244:0:1
251:0:1
262:0:1
267:0:2
269:0:2
270:0:57
271:0:1
274:0:42
284:0:6
288:0:11
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3759272:0:2
3759370:0:1
3759379:0:1
3759389:0:18
3759454:0:1
3759482:4:19
3759517:0:2
3759555:0:1
3759560:0:2
3759674:0:3
3759725:0:1
3759766:0:4
3759808:10:37
3760211:0:5
3760228:0:1
3760243:0:5
3760275:0:2
3760276:0:2
3760305:0:3
3760506:0:1
3760625:0:1
3760686:0:2
3760707:0:3
3760791:0:1
3760817:0:5
3760902:0:3
3760961:0:2
3761001:0:2
3761071:0:2
3761141:0:1
3761153:0:1
3761170:1:5
3761237:0:3
3761238:0:4
3761348:0:1
3761385:0:1
3761497:0:10
3761530:0:11
3761538:1:11
3761595:0:5
3761676:0:2
3761774:0:1
3761923:0:1
3761990:0:1
3761992:0:1
3762178:0:4
3762184:0:1
3762314:0:2
3762360:0:1
3762435:0:1

Full list (1 MB)

Total number of users who received 1 or more Merit: 51590
Sample

Code:

1. 21306 Merit received by LoyceV (#459836) from 1118 unique users in 12330 transactions
2. 21020 Merit received by fillippone (#1852120) from 765 unique users in 11506 transactions
3. 18897 Merit received by o_e_l_e_o (#1188543) from 801 unique users in 9988 transactions
4. 15615 Merit received by El duderino_ (#1067333) from 480 unique users in 8960 transactions
5. 14706 Merit received by theymos (#35) from 1225 unique users in 5344 transactions
6. 13754 Merit received by JayJuanGee (#252510) from 732 unique users in 9065 transactions
7. 12993 Merit received by icopress (#1137579) from 608 unique users in 4876 transactions
8. 11995 Merit received by LFC_Bitcoin (#379487) from 500 unique users in 6613 transactions
9. 11957 Merit received by Symmetrick (#2627711) from 773 unique users in 6854 transactions
10. 11830 Merit received by cygan (#27470) from 529 unique users in 6088 transactions
11. 11377 Merit received by pooya87 (#379147) from 613 unique users in 6621 transactions
12. 11371 Merit received by DdmrDdmr (#1582324) from 655 unique users in 6470 transactions
13. 11244 Merit received by philipma1957 (#64507) from 587 unique users in 6462 transactions
14. 10403 Merit received by xhomerx10 (#120694) from 331 unique users in 5315 transactions
15. 10306 Merit received by nutildah (#317618) from 660 unique users in 5581 transactions
16. 10175 Merit received by TryNinja (#557798) from 560 unique users in 4534 transactions
17. 10064 Merit received by GazetaBitcoin (#1285797) from 404 unique users in 3490 transactions
18. 10026 Merit received by gmaxwell (#11425) from 341 unique users in 3688 transactions
19. 9940 Merit received by BlackHatCoiner (#2775483) from 469 unique users in 4976 transactions
20. 9898 Merit received by d5000 (#85033) from 454 unique users in 5404 transactions
21. 9885 Merit received by NotATether (#2739424) from 535 unique users in 4550 transactions
22. 9205 Merit received by ABCbits (#359716) from 543 unique users in 4979 transactions
23. 8905 Merit received by nc50lc (#1237156) from 410 unique users in 4591 transactions
24. 8876 Merit received by Pmalek (#112493) from 585 unique users in 5250 transactions
25. 8775 Merit received by satoshi (#3) from 412 unique users in 932 transactions
26. 8763 Merit received by dkbit98 (#1410401) from 456 unique users in 5191 transactions
27. 8542 Merit received by suchmoon (#234771) from 573 unique users in 4859 transactions
28. 8154 Merit received by Rikafip (#2658890) from 460 unique users in 4470 transactions
29. 7625 Merit received by bitmover (#1554927) from 592 unique users in 4522 transactions
30. 7613 Merit received by 1miau (#2143453) from 496 unique users in 4137 transactions
31. 7290 Merit received by AlcoHoDL (#998490) from 202 unique users in 4200 transactions
32. 7213 Merit received by PowerGlove (#3486361) from 234 unique users in 1857 transactions
33. 7198 Merit received by mikeywith (#2033515) from 405 unique users in 3671 transactions
34. 6912 Merit received by cAPSLOCK (#35501) from 229 unique users in 3960 transactions
35. 6900 Merit received by DaveF (#300014) from 386 unique users in 3498 transactions
36. 6811 Merit received by hosemary (#995810) from 399 unique users in 3743 transactions
37. 6764 Merit received by joker_josue (#97582) from 346 unique users in 3175 transactions
38. 6763 Merit received by achow101 (#290195) from 278 unique users in 3039 transactions
39. 6727 Merit received by Hhampuz (#881377) from 955 unique users in 4377 transactions
40. 6677 Merit received by stompix (#164749) from 487 unique users in 3699 transactions
41. 6610 Merit received by Lucius (#533583) from 529 unique users in 3818 transactions
42. 6462 Merit received by OmegaStarScream (#375981) from 429 unique users in 3535 transactions
43. 6447 Merit received by Hueristic (#198573) from 206 unique users in 3733 transactions
44. 6444 Merit received by Charles-Tim (#2776678) from 435 unique users in 3765 transactions
45. 6363 Merit received by The Sceptical Chymist (#487418) from 626 unique users in 3582 transactions
46. 6268 Merit received by NeuroticFish (#257071) from 461 unique users in 3492 transactions
47. 6264 Merit received by jeremypwr (#137185) from 221 unique users in 3642 transactions
48. 6086 Merit received by n0nce (#3373858) from 196 unique users in 2648 transactions
49. 5753 Merit received by DireWolfM14 (#2003859) from 396 unique users in 2726 transactions
50. 5736 Merit received by lovesmayfamilis (#1982152) from 460 unique users in 4032 transactions
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51541. 1 Merit received by 1ceStorm (#2342907) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51542. 1 Merit received by 1ce (#1019784) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51543. 1 Merit received by 1camtron (#1236351) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51544. 1 Merit received by 1apayment (#1855631) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51545. 1 Merit received by 1907KFY (#1935217) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51546. 1 Merit received by 16xypjnxlrew (#2705665) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51547. 1 Merit received by 16tonn (#3560052) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51548. 1 Merit received by 15horses1donkey (#560958) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51549. 1 Merit received by 15519028115Q (#3575647) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51550. 1 Merit received by 15262kk (#291561) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51551. 1 Merit received by 14z4rus (#3669471) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51552. 1 Merit received by 1453ist (#1431126) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51553. 1 Merit received by 1453eko (#1431103) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51554. 1 Merit received by 13Winter13 (#919666) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51555. 1 Merit received by 13ex07 (#1207068) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51556. 1 Merit received by 13dizel (#1208678) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51557. 1 Merit received by 1357924680 (#333305) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51558. 1 Merit received by 12tribes (#1221082) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51559. 1 Merit received by 12assa34 (#1729394) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51560. 1 Merit received by 123tm (#848549) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51561. 1 Merit received by 123pogi123 (#2252156) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51562. 1 Merit received by 123exo123 (#1919155) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51563. 1 Merit received by 112_blockchain (#2081987) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51564. 1 Merit received by 11:11pas (#1306783) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51565. 1 Merit received by 1083ivangod (#1952712) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51566. 1 Merit received by 101Crypta (#1287691) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51567. 1 Merit received by 100x (#80115) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51568. 1 Merit received by 100steeze (#3637720) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51569. 1 Merit received by 100%_Shared_FreeBitco.in (#2531436) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51570. 1 Merit received by 100monet (#323057) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51571. 1 Merit received by 1000x (#3509491) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51572. 1 Merit received by 1000usdforwife (#1547718) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51573. 1 Merit received by 1000alasan (#2458354) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51574. 1 Merit received by 0xMuted (#3713926) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51575. 1 Merit received by 0xBrian (#2625170) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51576. 1 Merit received by 0xb100d (#1342964) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51577. 1 Merit received by 0x77 (#3316521) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51578. 1 Merit received by 0x1Knowledge (#2000899) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51579. 1 Merit received by 0vx (#2805438) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51580. 1 Merit received by 0RajA0 (#1151527) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51581. 1 Merit received by 0nion (#3614135) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51582. 1 Merit received by 0bit (#493268) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51583. 1 Merit received by 063Myxa (#1432563) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51584. 1 Merit received by 05btc (#2050202) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51585. 1 Merit received by 00RedBlack00 (#2527578) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51586. 1 Merit received by 00hello (#2471124) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51587. 1 Merit received by $--Perfect. Exchange-$. (#1140007) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51588. 1 Merit received by $imple$imon (#2060672) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51589. 1 Merit received by $BitMakeR$ (#1166812) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
51590. 0 Merit received by gwsukabokepjepang (#2536607) from 2 unique users in 2 transactions

Full list (5 MB)

Total number of users who gave away 1 or more sMerit: 26710
Sample

Code:

1. 76570 Merit sent by El duderino_ (#1067333) to 909 unique users in 13047 transactions
2. 71570 Merit sent by fillippone (#1852120) to 2297 unique users in 31340 transactions
3. 68943 Merit sent by LoyceV (#459836) to 3347 unique users in 18039 transactions
4. 62037 Merit sent by JayJuanGee (#252510) to 3650 unique users in 59801 transactions
5. 60235 Merit sent by ABCbits (#359716) to 4725 unique users in 34479 transactions
6. 53596 Merit sent by vapourminer (#33156) to 3779 unique users in 36950 transactions
7. 45291 Merit sent by hugeblack (#1059082) to 2920 unique users in 16040 transactions
8. 41808 Merit sent by suchmoon (#234771) to 2887 unique users in 9159 transactions
9. 38936 Merit sent by xandry (#382413) to 2542 unique users in 14486 transactions
10. 38325 Merit sent by DdmrDdmr (#1582324) to 2964 unique users in 31048 transactions
11. 35693 Merit sent by LFC_Bitcoin (#379487) to 1597 unique users in 14176 transactions
12. 33333 Merit sent by Symmetrick (#2627711) to 2254 unique users in 16803 transactions
13. 33211 Merit sent by klarki (#407174) to 2195 unique users in 11361 transactions
14. 32797 Merit sent by The Sceptical Chymist (#487418) to 1491 unique users in 10452 transactions
15. 29855 Merit sent by EFS (#140584) to 1464 unique users in 7818 transactions
16. 29224 Merit sent by Welsh (#84521) to 1730 unique users in 6844 transactions
17. 26646 Merit sent by o_e_l_e_o (#1188543) to 2510 unique users in 9360 transactions
18. 25901 Merit sent by 1miau (#2143453) to 1317 unique users in 11630 transactions
19. 25072 Merit sent by qwk (#24140) to 603 unique users in 6491 transactions
20. 23288 Merit sent by pooya87 (#379147) to 1386 unique users in 9544 transactions
21. 22424 Merit sent by dbshck (#153634) to 1314 unique users in 6442 transactions
22. 18121 Merit sent by NotATether (#2739424) to 1776 unique users in 4082 transactions
23. 17005 Merit sent by Julien_Olynpic (#1166480) to 568 unique users in 7993 transactions
24. 16795 Merit sent by Vispilio (#982288) to 753 unique users in 6240 transactions
25. 16566 Merit sent by nutildah (#317618) to 1749 unique users in 7582 transactions
26. 16358 Merit sent by Pmalek (#112493) to 1202 unique users in 9352 transactions
27. 16248 Merit sent by Halab (#1053119) to 2006 unique users in 6605 transactions
28. 15275 Merit sent by Foxpup (#55384) to 642 unique users in 5489 transactions
29. 15085 Merit sent by bitmover (#1554927) to 1331 unique users in 8489 transactions
30. 14589 Merit sent by philipma1957 (#64507) to 1691 unique users in 7627 transactions
31. 14430 Merit sent by theymos (#35) to 1107 unique users in 1768 transactions
32. 14366 Merit sent by OgNasty (#18321) to 3162 unique users in 7557 transactions
33. 13595 Merit sent by krogothmanhattan (#1000199) to 665 unique users in 3641 transactions
34. 13446 Merit sent by dkbit98 (#1410401) to 1151 unique users in 8220 transactions
35. 13408 Merit sent by NeuroticFish (#257071) to 834 unique users in 6289 transactions
36. 13397 Merit sent by CryptopreneurBrainboss (#1052091) to 1359 unique users in 7433 transactions
37. 13393 Merit sent by paxmao (#1192397) to 1307 unique users in 5907 transactions
38. 13228 Merit sent by BlackHatCoiner (#2775483) to 849 unique users in 4297 transactions
39. 12114 Merit sent by chimk (#1202061) to 757 unique users in 4369 transactions
40. 11925 Merit sent by d5000 (#85033) to 1197 unique users in 6521 transactions
41. 10800 Merit sent by mikeywith (#2033515) to 548 unique users in 3984 transactions
42. 8734 Merit sent by DarkStar_ (#507936) to 971 unique users in 2196 transactions
43. 8712 Merit sent by bones261 (#452769) to 1032 unique users in 4239 transactions
44. 8632 Merit sent by Hueristic (#198573) to 585 unique users in 7357 transactions
45. 8560 Merit sent by Coolcryptovator (#1980983) to 1064 unique users in 3715 transactions
46. 8543 Merit sent by Buchi-88 (#204821) to 758 unique users in 7398 transactions
47. 8397 Merit sent by babo (#65636) to 523 unique users in 6638 transactions
48. 8387 Merit sent by BobLawblaw (#569455) to 333 unique users in 3379 transactions
49. 8216 Merit sent by OmegaStarScream (#375981) to 959 unique users in 3587 transactions
50. 8013 Merit sent by Xal0lex (#1068464) to 668 unique users in 2490 transactions
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26661. 1 Merit sent by 3acaga (#1232502) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26662. 1 Merit sent by 360llqzc (#1300924) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26663. 1 Merit sent by 333btc (#3450760) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26664. 1 Merit sent by 3227jw (#2592839) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26665. 1 Merit sent by 2x2coindwarf (#2686612) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26666. 1 Merit sent by 2x25BT (#990097) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26667. 1 Merit sent by 2drive (#1304704) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26668. 1 Merit sent by 2andahalfBTC (#1142164) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26669. 1 Merit sent by 27QVUTZj8rgZP1 (#662730) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26670. 1 Merit sent by 27aume (#1001865) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26671. 1 Merit sent by 2342q6tegw (#1212678) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26672. 1 Merit sent by 214missy (#1285563) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26673. 1 Merit sent by 212fox (#1342293) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26674. 1 Merit sent by 1xbitpatnar (#3475604) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26675. 1 Merit sent by 1r0n (#1252002) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26676. 1 Merit sent by 1pool Ltd. (#2062862) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26677. 1 Merit sent by 1melyun (#543052) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26678. 1 Merit sent by 1cyrax00 (#964210) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26679. 1 Merit sent by 1CryptoSmurf (#1352746) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26680. 1 Merit sent by 1chempion123 (#1346880) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26681. 1 Merit sent by 1cak (#1136856) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26682. 1 Merit sent by 1amCrypt0 (#933826) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26683. 1 Merit sent by 19Nov16 (#921267) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26684. 1 Merit sent by 19nataliya12 (#1873934) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26685. 1 Merit sent by 19dimasik77 (#881779) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26686. 1 Merit sent by 1971ECPT (#3553473) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26687. 1 Merit sent by 17buratin (#1187494) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26688. 1 Merit sent by 13ex07 (#1207068) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26689. 1 Merit sent by 13Charlie (#76987) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26690. 1 Merit sent by 12retepnat34 (#1053271) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26691. 1 Merit sent by 10yearsolder (#1094878) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26692. 1 Merit sent by 10sat (#1162504) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26693. 1 Merit sent by 10casproj (#3515598) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26694. 1 Merit sent by 10BTCaDay (#396522) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26695. 1 Merit sent by 100kk (#1316426) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26696. 1 Merit sent by 100eth (#1324600) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26697. 1 Merit sent by 0xBitcoins (#2205183) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26698. 1 Merit sent by 0xBet (#3572636) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26699. 1 Merit sent by 0x0333 (#1913654) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26700. 1 Merit sent by 0vn1 (#1216048) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26701. 1 Merit sent by 0virtual (#1244555) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26702. 1 Merit sent by 0id1d (#3600764) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26703. 1 Merit sent by 0Alvaren0 (#2020991) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26704. 1 Merit sent by 01BTC (#1756786) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26705. 1 Merit sent by 01bits (#1629161) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26706. 1 Merit sent by 00HasH (#841746) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26707. 1 Merit sent by 00DKM@ (#1311705) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26708. 1 Merit sent by 00.00WIB (#3392171) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26709. 1 Merit sent by $@to$h! (#1183184) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
26710. 1 Merit sent by $Talker (#1043705) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions

Full list (3 MB)

Merit per day of the week
Monday 339149 (14.38%)
Tuesday 338799 (14.37%)
Wednesday 338284 (14.34%)
Thursday 359128 (15.23%)
Friday 356692 (15.12%)
Saturday 310719 (13.17%)
Sunday 314882 (13.35%)
Total: 2357653

^* This file will be overwritten by newer versions

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 06:59:17 PM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on July 17, 2026, 09:41:55 AM

The data is not complete because it's still being made through the completion of the Bear Cycle, which if the Four-Year-Cycle is still intact, then "the bottom" will be in October/November, 2026. IF it's NOT intact, then probably the bottom already happened OR we'll probably experience a longer Bear Cycle and lower bottom than what we'll see in October/November, no? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I found this chart which reminded me of this topic
Lets see how will this cycle go

@JayJuanGee I also liked their idea about the 200-WMA and the bear market (30 days below 200-WMA)

That above chart only seems to refer to the 200-DMA - so they must have another chart referring to the 200-WMA.

For sure the 200-day moving average and the 200-week moving average are two different beasts.

And even though each of the indicators can have their attributes in regards to trying to figure out when a bottom might be "in," at the same time, by nature the 200-WMA has quite a bit of long term implications since the BTC price has not tended (so far in bitcoin's history) tended to spend a whole hell of a lot of time below it.. and of course, we cannot even be sure in regards to the extent that history will or will not repeat itself or even how long any dip (or cycle) might play out or if aspects of the cycle (whether the peaks or the troughs) are in-sync or out-of-sync with past patterns.

For sure, since bitcoin has been growing and even we might claim that the kinds of attacks upon it (if we label them as attacks) vary, every cycle has been different, yet we cannot even be sure how to overlay the current cycle over the prior cycles until after they happened... even though many times, guys want to proclaim guru status in terms of trying to play their bitcoin holdings.

Of course, it seems that when we are within 25% of the 200-WMA, in either direction, we likely are more in a buying and/or holding location rather than a selling location, yet if guys do not have any bitcoin, they have to stock up first, and when guys have a lot of bitcoin (perhaps more than enough bitcoin?), they could still be engaging in time-based sustainable withdrawal, even when prices are seeming to be relatively low.

Also, as we know the 200-WMA has been slowly and ongoingly crawling upwards, so even if we might proclaim that since about early February, the BTC price has been within 25% of the 200-WMA, the BTC price has continued to stay pretty close to the 200-WMA since that early February price drop, and maybe at most we had around 4.5% below the 200-WMA around June 29, so yeah, so far the 200-WMA has been pretty resilient in terms of serving as support, and even though there is so much ongoing chaos in the world (and internal battles regarding BIP 110) it is difficult to imagine too many scenarios in which the bitcoin price drops greatly below the 200-WMA and stays there for several months, like what happened in 2022, and yeah our whole beating around the 200-WMA bush for 2022 to 2023 played out for right around 16 months in total from June 2022 to October 2023.

I don't proclaim guru status, even though there tends to be some value in considering how difficult it seems to be to really get the bitcoin price to come down to the 200-WMA and to stay down here for long periods of time, and so it seems a bit outrageous that guys are expecting BTC prices way below the 200-WMA - even greater than 35% below the 200-WMA, which would be $41k territories.

And, by the way, weren't you (@bitmover) working on some tweaks to a new fuck you status page/tool that we might be able to agree to go public with? or maybe I missed some of the latests tweaks to such new tool that might be in my court...

Many of us likely realize that when the BTC prices are depressed (like currently), then guys are not really thinking about fuck you status as frequently and obsessively as when BTC prices start to recover and then when the BTC prices start to move up, then guys start to more frequently imagine ways in which they might be able to quit their jobs and fuel their current lifestyles (or their future fantasy lifestyles) with the bounds of their current bitcoin holdings and/or their future anticipated bitcoin holdings.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 09:31:34 PM

Quote from: sabotag3x on Today at 02:04:02 AM

tem que reconhcer que o Bitcoin como moeda é horrível.. muito lento, complicado e volátil.

Depende do uso.
Pra receber em campanhas de assinaturas no forum é mil vezes melhor do que pix.

Vc ia preferir dar seu CPF pra um gerente da winna ou de um mixer pra receber pagamentos e postar no fórum? Depois pagar 1.1% de iof e 5% de spread pro banco? Wink

E se vc estiver viajando no exterior e quiser pagar 20 dolares pra uma pessoa por um motivo aleatorio, que nao aceite cartao de crédito.

Ou pra comprar coisas na Internet, como um domínio ou pagar a conta de um servidor na digital ocean. Bitcoin é mais rapido ou barato do que visa, pix, qualquer coisa que vc imaginar.

Digo em relação ao exemplo que ele usou.. pagamentos do dia a dia dentro de um país..

O Bukele lançou a carteira Chivo, fez airdrop (não lembro se Bitcoin ou dólar), tinha swap dentro da carteira, obrigou todos comerciantes a usar.. se não me engano tinha até caixa eletrônico estatal lá focado em Bitcoin.. incentivo não faltou..

Para essas gigantes como McDonald's é fácil implementar um sistema assim.. mas para uma senhora que tem uma banca de refresco sabor tamarindo deve ser difícil.. LN, pior ainda.

Para pagamentos transfonteiriços, com certeza o Bitcoin vence o Pix.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 09:31:34 PM

Depende do uso.
Pra receber em campanhas de assinaturas no forum é mil vezes melhor do que pix.

Vc ia preferir dar seu CPF pra um gerente da winna ou de um mixer pra receber pagamentos e postar no fórum? Depois pagar 1.1% de iof e 5% de spread pro banco? Wink

E se vc estiver viajando no exterior e quiser pagar 20 dolares pra uma pessoa por um motivo aleatorio, que nao aceite cartao de crédito.

Ou pra comprar coisas na Internet, como um domínio ou pagar a conta de um servidor na digital ocean. Bitcoin é mais rapido ou barato do que visa, pix, qualquer coisa que vc imaginar.

Pode ser ruim pra pagar por im cafezinho, mas quantas vezes por dia voce toma cafezinho na rua? Eu nao tomo quase nunca

Verdade

Para pagamento sem tanta urgencia e valor maior pode ser bom, por que é sem fronteira

Mas para comprar café da manhã não vale muito por que tem que ficar esperando confirmações e a taxa é alta considerando o valor

Quote from: alegotardo on Today at 01:12:24 AM

Quote from: Mindyspace on July 21, 2026, 10:05:43 PM

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Sou da mesma opinião que vocÊ.... não vejo comparação nenhuma entre PIX e Bitcoin ou como eles poderiam concorrer.
Na verdade, como já discutido, eu e muitos aqui prefeririam usar uma stable ao invez de Bitcoin para realizar pagamentos, principalmente pela questão da velocidade na confirmação.

Claro, concordo com o "Sr. Krugman" de que o PIX fechou muitas outras portas em se tratando de pagamentos instantâneos ( e até incomodou muito os EUA e administradores de cartões com sede lá), mas mesmo com sem o PIX eu não acho que o Bitcoin iria evoluir mais no Brasil como um meio de pagamento digital amplamente usado.

Também vejo dessa forma. O PIX e o Bitcoin atendem propostas bem diferentes. O PIX ganhou o dia a dia porque é extremamente mais prático, mas isso não muda os motivos que levam alguém a usar Bitcoin. E para pagamentos, acho que stablecoins têm muito mais potencial do que o próprio Bitcoin.

Quote from: sabotag3x on Today at 02:04:02 AM

É difícil concordar com as opiniões de um cara que defende que os EUA cunhem uma moeda de 1 trilhão de dólares para reduzir a dívida pública.. mas neste caso eu achei a comparação dele muito interessante.

Tanto a adoção do Bitcoin por El Salvador quanto o Pix no Brasil surgiram na mesma data.. e hoje aquela carteira Chivo deve estar morta e o Pix é amplamente usado.. tem que reconhcer que o Bitcoin como moeda é horrível.. muito lento, complicado e volátil.

A parte sobre o Trump também tem que concordar com ele.. está incomodando o Brasil de graça e, como estamos em ano eleitoral, o único beneficiado é o Lula.

Ate concordo que o PIX venceu a disputa pelos pagamentos mais rapidos no Brasil. Mas assom, dizer que isso prova que o Bitcoin é uma moeda ruim acho um salto grande. Hoje a maioria das pessoas compra Bitcoin muito mais como reserva de valor do que para pagar contas. Para pagamentos, stablecoins provavelmente têm mais potencial que o próprio Bitcoin. Isso não diminui a utilidade do Bitcoin, só mostra que cada um ocupa um espaço diferente..

Quote from: joker_josue on Today at 06:53:38 AM

Mas, a realidade também é outra. Primeiro, o incomodo dos bitcoiners no sucesso dos sistemas tradicionais, é porque as pessoas continuam apoiar esses sistemas (isto para os mais puristas/radicais). Segundo, é difícil comparar um sistema que usa moeda correte por milhões de pessoas, e um sistema novo tecnicamente mais complexo e que não tem uma adoção em massa.

Em terceiro lugar, boa parte da comunidade Bitcoin que insiste que o BTC deve ser usado como moeda, esta cada vez mais isolada. Porque o Bitcoin tem muito mais pessoas interessadas em hold.
Infelizmente ainda existe muito a ideia: se eu comprar algo com BTC, estou a dar um potencial ganho a outro.

Concordo. Acho que, com o tempo, o próprio mercado mostrou que o Bitcoin acabou encontrando outro papel. Hoje a maioria compra para guardar, não para gastar, ja o PIX resolveu muito bem a questão dos pagamentos, então nunca vi os dois como concorrentes diretos. E sobre gastar Bitcoin, acho que é natural. Se você acredita que ele vai valer mais no futuro, a tendência é gastar o real e guardar o Bitcoin, claro ne?

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 05:56:50 PM

Quote from: Mindyspace on July 21, 2026, 10:05:43 PM

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Bitcoin nao foi feito pra competir com visa nem com pix.
Blockchain é um banco de dados caro e lento. O objetivo nunca foi ser rapido e barato.

Bitcoin foi feito pra ser descentralizada e universal, pq existe demanda pra isso que nunca foi atendida.

Sim sim. O erro é tratar o Bitcoin como se tivesse sido criado para competir com o PIX. As propostas são bem diferentes

Quote from: Forsyth Jones on Today at 06:31:41 PM

Quote from: Mindyspace on July 21, 2026, 10:05:43 PM

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O PIX e o Bitcoin são muito semelhantes: ambos tem QR CODE, endereços (no caso do pix, é chamado de chave aleatória ou o próprio email, CPF ou número de celular que podem ser usados como chave), no dia em que as pessoas precisarem usar o Bitcoin, elas já vão ter aprendido, pois o modos operandi é EXATAMENTE o mesmo: escaneia o Qr Code ou copia um endereço/chave, insere valor, digita a senha ou PIN e confirma o pagamento... exatamente a mesma coisa que acontece nas carteiras Bitcoin.

O PIX só não é descentralizado como o Bitcoin, o pix é extremamente monitorado e controlado pelo estado, no caso o banco central.

O PIX só é "melhor" que o Bitcoin no brasil, porque o PIX é obrigatório pelo governo, aí fica fácil neh, como competir com algo que o governo torna obrigatório, investem milhões ou bilhões em R$ pra propaganda, parcerias com bancos, APIs, desenvolvedores, compliance e etc?

As pessoas que conhecem o Bitcoin, geralmente usam pra guardar como investimento ou proteger da inflação, mas dá pra usar no comércio também, e quem usa no comércio, usa cartão cripto recarregável em Bitcoin ou outra criptomoeda, ou seja, o lojista e o governo NEM SABE que o cliente usou Bitcoin.

Acho que o PIX deu certo mais mais pela praticidade do que por ser obrigatório entende? E no cartão cripto, no fim o lojista recebe em reais. Isso só reforça que hoje o Bitcoin é mais usado para guardar do que para gastar. Ou seja, um resolve as coisas mais rapidas, como pagamentos de contas, enquanto o outro serve para o futuro... Roll Eyes

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 07:44:34 PM

Quem sonega dessa forma usa o cpf mesmo, vc passa pix pra ele pra comprar um lanche como se estivesse dividindo a conta do bar ou a vaquinha dum churrasco.

Eu tenho a impressão que os próprios bancos estão começando a barrar essas atividades.. vejo relatos de quem recebeu uns valores aleatórios na conta e receberam mensagens questionando a atividade incomum.

Quote from: joker_josue on Today at 06:46:31 PM

Pensam mais no lado econômico do processo: imprimir dinheiro físico é muito dispendioso.

Outro dia eu descobri que o Banco Central do Brasil picota as notas que estão velhas/danificadas/etc e distribui para visitantes:

Fonte: https://youtu.be/6L1vBYfUcp4

É um pacote de droga Cheesy

Deve ser legal ter um bloco desses para usar de decoração.. eu até procurei no Mercado Livre, etc, mas não encontrei ninguém vendendo.

Realmente, gasta-se muito dinheiro imprimindo dinheiro.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 06:41:13 PM

Is there anyway to copy and paste an image url, or from the mobile clipboard? Maybe add an input where we could paste the image?

Something is planned to help with this process on mobile. Wink

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Quote from: tabas on July 21, 2026, 11:13:35 PM

At what price do you plan to enter? Right now it's at $123.

I dont know yet.

But it is still heavily overpriced imo, too much risk.

It is still a 1.6T marketcap company. I wouldnt enter anything higher than 1 T, so probably only in $ 60-80 range....

I also think so and so I agree that it's still quite expensive and we'll see how it will be for the next months to come. But I'm putting this on my list as well as one of my possible long term stock to hold.

Quote from: Bitcoin_Arena on July 21, 2026, 11:50:19 PM

China is trying as much as possible to bridge the gaps, though, and I believe in a few years we shall have competitors left and right just like we have seen in the EV industry, so yeah, we are probably going to be in the red for a while as well, and the price growth rate may not be the one that was expected before competition came into play.

They don't have it yet but you're right that within the EV market, they're now dominating it wherefore Elon has laugh in an interview before when BYD was mentioned to him. Maybe a year or two from now on, we'd see a counterpart of Space X on them and they'll also have an IPO, who knows.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 04:58:05 PM

I think the company is great. It already changed space exploration possibilities.

The problem is the current price compares to its rrevenue.you might hold a lot of time in red or with bad returns entering now.

China is trying as much as possible to bridge the gaps, though, and I believe in a few years we shall have competitors left and right just like we have seen in the EV industry, so yeah, we are probably going to be in the red for a while as well, and the price growth rate may not be the one that was expected before competition came into play.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 04:58:05 PM

I think the company is great. It already changed space exploration possibilities.

The problem is the current price compares to its rrevenue.you might hold a lot of time in red or with bad returns entering now.

Many of the buyers during the launch probably took their cash and profit with them and so the market reacted. If I'll buy this right now, I won't look at the charts maybe for a year or two. We'll see if it's a good long term stock to hold but I agree, holders has to take those red months with them and get over that until its price rises up. At what price do you plan to enter? Right now it's at $123.

It's been a while, little more than three months, but today three transactions surpassed the minimum qualification amount to be listed. Not just barely but with some "generosity", haha, no judgement. Quite obviously the sender(s) can afford it, assuming due to the same amount being dumped to Genesis block, it might be the same entity.

Past March 14^th, 2025 large^{equal/over 500k sats} transfers to Genesis block descriptor:

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`0.00534973`	`2026-04-19 20:47:57`	`b6eda301afa0719f98db2329f54309dfdd4ad3550f167b33a651bbce5d5ed0bb`
`0.00500000`	`2026-03-25 14:19:52`	`a538b1e7e4b0eeb661deb7c31db0ad512ffd96044d1fc92c322329b75c7fc9d3`
`0.00700000`	`2026-03-11 10:51:18`	`786b73c9db1e6d831d57ce159204534a47909406677068e91616f31864b683ab`
`2.56536737`	`2026-02-07 00:04:05`	`a73335706adad5c400453fbc3c992f23cacf56b0ca964bc584f5f44ac7e0d412`
`0.02184558`	`2026-01-17 16:39:36`	`8199a72f489f9833989681e0d343ebf28ce44b69bc85cd8a095a147480a7215d`
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`0.00545227`	`2025-12-21 12:05:02`	`8c719d92865620a031036ff4fb8be82318337035c3809325c63830d5d7b909bb`
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`0.01197173`	`2025-09-29 10:56:34`	`bb5fca631509fbc35a6468f5968c816079d9b87fec6f50b7d6fe8a25190466e1`
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Current balance at time of this post according to combo(PubKey of Genesis block's coinbase) descriptor, including the unspendable 50BTC of coinbase tx: 107.29631839BTC (no pending sats waiting for confirmation, the difference (0.10767775BTC) to previous post's value and newcomer transaction are smaller dust wastes and often a few larger ones that just don't make it into the table).

This may differ slightly from what mempool.space or bitcoindata.science displays because the combo() descriptor^{see below} accounts for all address types (except Taproot, IIRC).

Code:

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Quote from: bitmover on Today at 02:44:27 AM

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I didn't start buying yet, but I plan to do so.

The price is just below $120, now is the time.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SPCX/

I don't believe now is the time as the price still has not found its bottom yet; it will go lower. Things are different now with this being a public company. When it was private, there were looser timelines regarding revenue. However, now being beholden to shareholders, the revenue timelines will be tighter with quarter to quarter expectations. Also, this may need to be reigned in sooner than later- the SpaceX Starship has been launched 12 times, with 7 successes and 5 failures, which is a 58.3% success rate.

I don’t think there have been any Starship failures. Lessons were learned and improvements were made with each launch. It continues to advance and we will see a demonstration of those advancements this week. In a few months we will see them catch the booster and Starship. By the end of next year I am sure we will see Starship land equipment on the moon. Within a decade, Mars. I want to be a part of that. I bought more today.

There have indeed been failures. What you may think vs the facts are 2 different things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Starship_launches

As there are reasons for optimism, there are also fair reasons for skepticism.

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Quote from: bitmover on July 20, 2026, 12:42:49 PM

Renan

Ontem assisti a uma conversa dele com o carinha lá do Tropa de Elite.. naturalmente, focaram bastante em segurança e RJ.

Aqui o link, caso alguém tenha interesse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8aiHsPfTDE

Assim como é a minha opinião sobre os outros políticos, eu duvido que ele conseguirá implementar as coisas que fala.

Quote from: Forsyth Jones on Today at 04:00:46 PM

aí o lula pegou uma economia pronta pra decolar em 2002, surfou a onda sem fazer muita merda na economia e ficou praticamente com todo o crédito.

Pelo que vejo em retrospecto, a sorte do Brasil é que o Lula não fez nada do que prometeu nos seus primeiros mandatos.. às vezes o segredo é esse, não fazer nada.. porque a econômia cresce naturalmente.

Sobre o Real.. e mais recentemente o Pix.. parece que essa é maior a diferença do Brasil para outros países latinos como Argentina, Venezuela, Bolívia, etc. que também foram destruídos pela esquerda.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 10:24:35 AM

Tudo que existe é o Hash160 embutido no endereço. Que ira gerar uma public Key, e nao uma Private key. Mas esse passo para gerar a public key é extremamente custoso, e se ele for quebrado pra um endereco pode ser para qualquer outro.

Felizmente nada indica que isso venha a ser possível. Mas se vier a ser, certamente haverá solução para os titulares vivos dos endereços.

Até lá podemos dormir descansados. Wink

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I didn't start buying yet, but I plan to do so.

The price is just below $120, now is the time.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SPCX/

I don't believe now is the time as the price still has not found its bottom yet; it will go lower. Things are different now with this being a public company. When it was private, there were looser timelines regarding revenue. However, now being beholden to shareholders, the revenue timelines will be tighter with quarter to quarter expectations. Also, this may need to be reigned in sooner than later- the SpaceX Starship has been launched 12 times, with 7 successes and 5 failures, which is a 58.3% success rate.

I don’t think there have been any Starship failures. Lessons were learned and improvements were made with each launch. It continues to advance and we will see a demonstration of those advancements this week. In a few months we will see them catch the booster and Starship. By the end of next year I am sure we will see Starship land equipment on the moon. Within a decade, Mars. I want to be a part of that. I bought more today.

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Quote from: bitmover on Today at 02:44:27 AM

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I didn't start buying yet, but I plan to do so.

The price is just below $120, now is the time.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SPCX/

I don't believe now is the time as the price still has not found its bottom yet; it will go lower. Things are different now with this being a public company. When it was private, there were looser timelines regarding revenue. However, now being beholden to shareholders, the revenue timelines will be tighter with quarter to quarter expectations. Also, this may need to be reigned in sooner than later- the SpaceX Starship has been launched 12 times, with 7 successes and 5 failures, which is a 58.3% success rate.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 02:44:27 AM

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I didn't start buying yet, but I plan to do so.

The price is just below $120, now it is the time.
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SPCX/

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on July 20, 2026, 11:19:09 AM

Essas eleições no Brasil são as piores de todos os tempos, na minha opinião. Eu não sei qual que é o menos pior. Todos esses candidatos aí que estão no páreo são todos horríveis. Nós estamos é ferrados na mão desse povo. Infelizmente, o brasileiro vai ter mais quatro ou oito anos de sofrimento. Tá complicado. Realmente, a classe política brasileira é a mais desprezível do planeta Terra.

Eu tenho uma opinião diferente. Acho que os candidatos são bons, os piores são os 2 favoritos. O Lula acho que representa bem a esquerda caviar brasileira, e acho que boa parte dos eleitores acham ele um bom nome.

Os demais, são excelentes, nunca tivemos um nivel tão alto. Caiado, Renan e Zema, todos são bons. Uma pena que eles não se juntaram e tem propostas razoavelmente parecidas...

Concordo. Se eles não estivessem tão pulverizados teríamos mais certeza de que o centro-direita levaria. Acho que a essa altura, jogar para o centrão é melhor do que permanecer com o atual presidente.

Quote from: bitmover on July 19, 2026, 07:20:05 PM

The integration with the AI is way better than in Vscode.

I can't imagine how more integrated it goes. In VSCode there is already a Claude tab, next to the file sources which you can talk with the AI. There is also the terminal which is way better, IMO.

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But you need a paid plan to use it. It reads all your files and , build docker and test the software, etc

Claude Code in VSCode terminal already does that. You can literally run Claude with --dangerously-skip-permissions and it takes access to the entire system, starts running apps, etc., as if I command a developer.

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Do you use vscode with a claude subscription?

Yes.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 12:25:13 AM

Todo endereco tem chave privada e chave publica

A diferenca é que o endereco de queima tem uma chave privada que ninguém conhece.

Dá uma olhada nesse caso no Ethereum:

Code: (chave privada)

0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Code: (endereço)

0x3f17f1962B36e491b30A40b2405849e597Ba5FB5

Saldo: US$ 30k.. mais o que tem nas outras redes..

O que quis dizer é que a chave privada correspondente pode ser inválida.. não sei se isso existe no Bitcoin.