Venia aquí a recordarle a Darxiaomi sobre eso, ya que recuerdo que la última vez mencionó que la quería... ganar, y no se porque vi la notificación fue en el norte, y no la de este hilo, y el amigo ninja ya ha lanzado el post, y esta vez si quedan como 4-5 cupos...

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É isso mesmo, infelizmente!
Os sinais estão mais claros do que nunca de que esse governo e o STF já ultrapassaram o limite que deveria existir para a justiça, regulações e censuras.... obrigar prlataformas à remover conteúdos ou nomear representantes sob risco de multa ou bloqueio obviamente que não é fiscalização, é coerção... mas não se iludam, não vamos mais conseguir mudar isso enquanto não fizerem a limpa em Brasília.

Porque não é só silenciar discursos "ilegais" que eles querem, eles querem é o controle de tudo, criar um ambiente onde quem critica ou discorda corre o risco de ir até pra prisão... se isso não é ditadura, então o que falta pra ser? Vai dizer que isso é democracia? Onde foi parar a tal liberdade de expressão, pluralidade de ideias e debate político que existe em um estado de Direito? Esse é o novo "normal" agora?

Será que tem tanta gente burra assim que não vê que aquilo que deveria ter sido criado para combater fake news está sendo usado para "manter a ordem perfeita" que o governo quer para se reeleger?

Estamos ferrados!!!

The only difference is that any posts must be published before the raffle launch date (because otherwise it won't be entirely correct).

The forum has also been my second home from 2016 to now, and has indeed changed my life financially and made some of my and my family's dreams come true.
This forum is a gateway to another life that gives me a lot of hope today, I mean it is a hope for everyone who is really serious about developing their knowledge on this forum.

Donations made by groups are indeed very vulnerable and will be full of responsibilities that must be done very transparently.
But when an individual like you @apogio it only comes from ourselves, whether to make a donation or not,
the important thing is that the money used comes from personal money and not from fundraising that is done like donations in general.

Donations made by groups are vulnerable to manipulation and we don't know if someone will change when they see a lot of money and start doing some money embezzlement and such,
like some donations made in this group for some natural disasters that I know of (I forgot the link) and those donations are misused and taken for their own benefit when all the funds are collected quite a lot.

+1 for this
These 'small' tools certainly make it easier for us to use the forum, and their creators deserve more attention. They all invested some of their time and money in development. I assume that a donation to them would definitely encourage them to continue and give them a sign that they are doing a good thing.
I saw in the past a few good ideas, but they were not implemented due to a lack of funds.
I applaud apogio's initiative, this is just my two cents.

Yeah, of course, you can set those kinds of trust fund matters up in a variety of ways that have various conditions, and you have a notary like you mention and/or even successor notaries or their organization might be something that you might allow to pass down the notary under certain conditions.

You can set the fund up so that it ends up getting exhausted (or depleted after the passage of various events) and/or you could set it up to perpetually pay from within the income that is generated from the fund that relates to the likely ongoing ability for bitcoin to be able to increase in value at a rate that is faster than the withdraw rate..  So yeah, right now, you can look at my sustainable withdrawal tool and see that if you happen to have at least 15.232 BTC (at the time that I am typing this post) then that would generate $80k per year perpetually with 7% increases in the dollar value each year.. for ever and ever... And so adjust the calculations within the tool based on the amount in the funds and if the value of the BTC holdings is sufficiently sustaining itself in such a way that the fund is growing faster than the withdrawal rate..


Fuck crypto.. who would want to deal with that?


Not possible is a very strong assertion.

It is possible to reach $140k this month (that is merely 20% UPpity from current prices), even though it might not be likely.

A lump sum gives you three options to consider.  1) buy right away, 2) defer by time (DCA) and/or 3) defer by price (buying on dips that may or may not happen).  We should not presume that the mere fact that a lump sum is available that the better strategy is to defer by price rather than buying right away, yet each person who had already authorized the amount for buying bitcoin has the ability to decide from each of those three categories.

By the way, I am not much of a fan of deferral and or waiting strategies unless they are already accompanied by ongoing buying strategies, especially for newer investors, such as guys who have only been investing into bitcoin for less than 4 years.

Of course, the longer that a person has been investing and the fact hat he might have had already bought around the current BTC price might give him possible rationale to save some money for dips and/or to supplement his strategy with a dip buying plan.

Guys who assume that dip buying is automatically the better strategy to accumulate bitcoin may well have not considered the matter very well, especially for newer investors who likely would be better off buying at any price and ongoingly, unless they might have had the ability to front load their investment by already having had bought a decent amount of BTC so that they are sufficiently and adequately prepared for up rather than overly preparing for down that may or may not end up happening.


Are you a brand new investor in bitcoin or have you already bought a lot of bitcoin?

Your forum registration shows that you have been registered since January 2023, and so did you already buy a lot of BTC in the last almost 3 years?  If so then maybe buying dips might be helpful in your particular case (perhaps? perhaps?), otherwise, you might be already in a wrong mindset in regards to your BTC accumulation strategy and/or you might be employing bad strategies.

In the last nearly 3 years have you been buying bitcoin aggressively, or have you been waiting around to buy dips that did not end up happening?  There have not been a lot of great dips in the past 3-ish years, and guys would have had likely been better off to have had been fairly aggressively accumulating for the past 3-ish years rather than fucking around waiting for dips that might not happen.

Currently,  a brand new person might not be served very well be waiting for dips, and depending on the extent to which you have already been able to front load your bitcoin investment, you also might not be served too wll by trying to wait for dips that might not happen.

Let's say that you had a $50k per year income and you were to have had chosen to invest $500 per week into bitcoin, and you might well would have had invested around $70k since January 2023 and you might have had accumulated right around 1.6 BTC. Even in that kinds of a case, it could be questionable if you should stop investing and wait for dips that might not happen.


We can agree to disagree. If you have been following such a waiting and/or fucking around strategy in the past 3 years, you have likely ended up with whimpy, unserious and lack of aggressive bitcoin accumulating which has likely not helped your situation as a likely low coiner (and/or a person who is still wanting to accumulate bitcoin).


Sure.. guys can clarify when they got involved.

There are also guys who register on the forum and then fuck around with trading and/or shitcoins for several years before they come to realize that they should have had been focusing their efforts on bitcoin first.

There is nothing wrong with assuming using the forum registration date, and if a guy clarifies his situation, then nothing wrong with that either.

Also, we don't necessarily get into specifics of any particular guy, yet at the same time, if guys are sometimes claiming to be posting from experience and not asking questions, then sometimes their experience and/or knowledge about whatever they are proclaiming might become relevant.

I frequently will use examples from my own timeline, yet I am not necessarily proclaiming specifics about myself and I also might describe various kinds of hypothetical bitcoiners in order to attmempt to talk about bitcoin as a topic and sometimes we do end up talking about the advantages and disadvantages of getting into bitcoin during certain time periods in the past.


Sure.  New guys might have all kinds of life and/or investment and/or cashflow management experiences, yet I am not going to presume that to be the case unless the guy might clarify those kinds of matters to the extent that they might be relevant to whatever post he is making.


Of course the forum is not the ONLY place to get bitcoin knowledge, and there are some folks who don't like the forums format.  There are around 8 billion people on the planet, and perhaps a couple million registered accounts, but only a few thousand members here who are regularly active.. and even from the active ones, group is also small.

Surely there are other places to learn about bitcoin besides this forum, so yeah, guys might spend several years learning about and studying bitcoin before the register with the forum, but so what?  What does that have to do with anything?  Is there a problem presuming that they got started in bitcoin and or around their forum registration date, unless they feel some kind of a need to clarify otherwise?


It takes a long time to reach overaccumulation status, and sure there are some folks who also might be quite secretive about their finances, including not wanting to (or not ready and/or able to) participate in a forum like this one.


In bitcoin we tend to refer to compounding value rather than compound interest, since we likely are not leaving our bitcoin with custodians in order to get interest on them.. That is a different thing, and surely historically in bitcoin some institutions (or third party services) have provided those kinds of services to pay interest and/or yield and some of them also scammed people out of their bitcoin.


Just because a person might approach bitcoin with a plan to be an investor for life, that does not necessarily mean that he is hanging onto his bitcoin for the whole time.  In one of my threads I talk about various bitcoin investment ideas and another thread I talk about two forms of sustainable withdrawal (price based and time based).  You can sustainable withdraw from your bitcoin holdings, especially once you have reached overaccumulation status.

Let's say that a person earns $50k per year, and for the past 9 years since mid-2016, he had invested $200 per week into bitcoin, and so over those 9 years he invested around $90k, and he accumulated nearly 19 BTC.

Maybe his plan was to start to live off of his bitcoin once it was able to sustain at least an $80k per year income, so he looks at my sustaiinable withdrawal tool and he sees that starting right now, it would only take around 15.2302 BTC in order to sustain an $80k income per year, so he sees that he had right around 3.75 BTC extra, so he could withdraw $80k per year forever and likely increase his income by 7% each year forever and he even has an extra 3.75 BTC as his cushion (of 19 BTC) so right now, he probably could sustain even a higher perpetual income of nearly $100k per year, so he may have waited to long to get started living off of his bitcoin and holding his bitcoin for the rest of his life.. And yeah, if he has some extra need to withdraw more bitcoin he can, and so he can figure out some reasonable ways to mostly hold his bitcoin for life, even if he is cashing out some of them from time to time, and they are likely growing in value at a rate that is faster than the rate that he is withdrawing from them.


I think that I was talking about being more aggressive in terms of how well organized you are rather than in terms of whether there is a bitcoin dip or not.

From my point of view, it is a bad strategy to change your aggressiveness based on whether or not there is a dip, especially for newbies (anyone in their first 4 years of accumulating bitcoin and who was not able to frontload their investment).  If are in your first 4 years of accumulating bitcoin you should work on organizing yourself, and as you get better with your organization and your back up funds, then you can increase your level of aggressiveness in your bitcoin investmemnt approach.

Ah, quite smart! However, still you have some lucky ones and that matter the most! 

Your consistency is making you to have those lucky ones and that's what matters in online gaming. If someone enjoys betting on some games and his/her luck is good at the time of betting then they definitely get good wins.

Just took part in the raffle, thanks for that! Have never been lucky in those raffles so far The custom card would be pretty cool!

Time for sharing my bet here in the thread:



I don't want any criticism for my pick here, this is purely patriotic! Good luck to both teams, whoever is better should win

There is no need to pay attention to OP's retarded decision to switch the unit from USD to EUR.

OP is easily distracted into nonsense, and you are correct that we started out shooting for USD, and surely many of the forum's discussion points looks at BTC versus USD, so the OP operator is largely lost, even though he is the owner of the thread, so who knows what he is going to do to screw up an otherwise good thing, since there hardly seemed to be any justification to change the trading pair, even though surely in early December 2024, we had reached the target on the first time, and then since early May we have mostly remained above $100k, with only one short divergence below $100k.  

Of course, we cannot necessarily be sure whether we are above $100k for good, and it seems to me that unless we can meaningfully go a certain distance above $100k, perhaps even getting to around $330k, we cannot necessarily rule out $100k being tested. Even the 200-WMA is currently ONLY at $52.5k, and historically the 200-WMA has been tested every 4 year cycle - and the BTC price even ended up going right around 35% below the 200-WMA at its lowest points in November 2022.  So we cannot completely rule out $100k being tested again, even though each cycle seems to have its own nuances, and frequently large corrections are followed by some form of blow-off top, and so far this blow-off top measures quite smaller than previous blow-off tops, yet it still would not be out of the question for the top to be in, even though surly there seems to be an appearance of a lot of bitcoin demand out there in the real world, so it seems to be a minority perspective (of anyone who actually knows anything about bitcoin) to expect that the top for this cycle is already in and that we would soon be going back below $100k.

Another thing is that the 200-WMA is ongoingly moving up and so far in bitcoin's history, it has never gone into the negative, even during the extended period of about 16 months between about June 2022 and October 2023 in which the BTC price spent a lot of time at or below the 200-WMA, and the 200-WMA  it was ONLY going up in the ballpark of around 20% annualized during that depressing period.  You can see (and/or calculate) from my latest 200-WMA projection chart that currently, and for the last year-ish, the 200-WMA has ONLY going up between about 30% to 40% on an annualized basis, which seems to be somewhat muffled, even though historically there have been 6-month periods in which it was lower than usual and then other 6-month period in which it had quite higher increases.

Surely, we cannot expect that future results are guaranteed based on past performance, even though some folks might be willing to bet that sub $100k will never be breached again.  Personally, I would not bet on it even though I have asserted that I am willing to bet that sub $80k will never be breached again (at least any time before the end of the 2027 calendar year), even though I am ONLY around 50/50 confident that no sub $80k BTC prices prior to 2028 would be a winnable bet.

Don't get me wrong.  Even though I am asserting that we cannot rule out downside scenarios, I still think that bitcoin is amongst the best, if not the best, risk-adjusted place for anyone to put value, and bitcoin is available to everyone and/or anyone, even though we still have quite low-level adoption, even though there are quite a few BIG players who are pumping bitcoin and also proclaiming to be engaged (or inspiring to be engaged) in bitcoin accumulating and/or hoarding practices, including but not limited to MSTR and various MSTR copy-cats, the USA government and various other governments at national and even local levels, the ETF providers (at least on behalf of their promoting products for their clients) and several others who are at least talking the talk.  

So, no matter BTC's short-to-medium price performances, it seems that bitcoin remains a great place to begin to put time, energy and value or to continue to put such time, energy and value, whether or not we ever get sub $100k prices ever again.

Just to re-emphasize, there is no need for us to get distracted into other currency pairs, even though the dollar fluctuates in value between other currency pairs, it seems that if the dollar is going down they are all going down even worse than the dollar, if some of us might have heard of the dollar milkshake theory, which largely just suggests that all fiat currencies are likely going to collapse into the dollar, so the dollar is the most relevant fiat currency, even though it is not as good as bitcoin, so bitcoin is likely to prevail over the dollar and value will continue to get sucked into bitcoin, even if it could take 50-200 years for some aspects of these matters to play out, so long as bitcoin continues to remain the strongest of currencies, yet the fiat currencies and fiat debt systems are going to continue to put up some good fights and likely distract folks from recognizing that bitcoin is the best of places to put time, energy and value.

I don't think BlackRock tokens will be traded as meme tokens on pump&fun exchanges.
I've seen decentralized exchanges that trade tokenized stock futures, but I haven't even looked into those projects. I don't understand what I'm trading.

Not that simple actually. They aren't scamming anyone directly, but they are indirectly scamming the ones that purchased their failed token experiment by effectively abandoning it in an immature and unprofessional manner.

They effectively abandoned that entire project which is why the token situation probably will never improve if you ask me.

Les amis, au cas où vous l'auriez manqué, la section jeux et parties regorge de nouveaux concours. 😄

Hi sa lahat! Nag-post lang si Whale ng bagong paligsahan. Good luck! 😜

Jeśli przegapiliście, sekcja gier i rund jest pełna nowych konkursów. 👻

Salut tuturor! Whale tocmai a postat un nou concurs. Mult succes! 😜

Guys, In case you missed it, the games and rounds section is full of new contests. 😄

Gente, no hay tantos lugares como parece, así que apresúrense y participen. 😊

Hallo zusammen! Whale hat gerade einen neuen Wettbewerb gestartet. Viel Glück! 😜

Amigos, o pessoal do Whale postou mais um concurso. Boa sorte!

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That's exactly what I wanted. I wanted to donate some of my funds back to users who I think are truly good for the community. I could do it silently, but especially for taxation in my country, this method that I chose is better.


All these users you've mentioned are valuable assets of this forum, just like their projects! I don't forget that!

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This kind of idea has never been thought of before, and it's not just about giving appreciation to the best posters just on merit,
but giving a tip that can be useful for those who are selected regardless of the nominality.

Maybe this will encourage people to care about their posts and develop a really useful thread.

And for Projects that directly need Donations such as Tool development projects Talkimg by @joker_josue, Ninjastic by TryNinja, Talksearch by NotATether, Bitcoindata.science by bitmover etc,
will it be possible to get some tips because it is very useful for forums.

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Faz sentido.
Além disso, tendo em conta que boa parte da divida esta no estrangeiro, e as empresas das stablecoins são americanas.

Isso leva, além de ver a divida continuar a ter demanda, é demanda interna que dá maior controlo caso as coisas fiquem um pouco complicadas.

I have managed to earn $20 once in one of the contestants in the games and round board, though it was for bitcoin price predictions which requires you to do your analysis on price before giving your prediction but I still think I was just lucky to have being among the participants that won because we were many participants and it can't be that I was just too good with my analysis. Afterwards I have been participating in many others in that board but not won again, but I haven't lost hope on continuing.

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Another issue bothers me. The owner of a token is not equal to the owner of a share.
Why do we need stock exchanges if the blockchain works 24 hours a day?
We are getting a new financial system that will be under the control of the USA and that can freeze, burn any token.

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We know that BTC pricer is all over the place in the short term, so why put much if any weight behind various prices, and yeah, we have heard guys whine about bitcoin not going up enough, and then choosing some high price point in bitcoin's history as their starting reference.  So why go on and on in regards to that kind of an argument rather than proposing some kind of a reasonable reference point. I think that you were the one who initially chose to start out with BTC's high price point in November 2021, and whether you were cherry picking or merely showing the problematic nature of cherry picking, your point is not really clear or even persuasive.
 
Maybe we could take the 200-WMA of each? and compare them in 4 year plus increments?

Bitcoin's 200-WMA was $16,805 on November 1, 2021, and today it is $52,456.

I calculate that to be a 3.12x increase in value, and I doubt that gold comes even close to having those kinds of "meaningful" comparative numbers... and it gets worse if you try to compare bitcoin to gold over a longer period of time, which is also part of the reason why the 200-WMA has a lot more explanatory value as compared with getting caught up in nonsensical comments about fluctuating spot prices, even though surely if any of us are buying or selling bitcoin, then we are going to be using BTC spot prices rather than 200-WMA prices in order to make our transactions, yet nonetheless if we are trying to valuate bitcoin and to maybe make comparisons of its value to other assets, probably using the 2090-WMA is going to give us much more solid numbers, even if it might be a bit more technical to find places to get those kinds of numbers for other assets..   


You come off as a caveman looking at shadows with these kinds of arguments.


Does that mean that you are going to build your bitcoin holdings so that you are ready for 4 years from now?  I doubt it.

If a guy  is busy buying and selling, then each time he buys, there is likely a 4-year timeline attached to that new buy in order to be an investor rather than a trader. Of course, if you get to overaccumulation status, then that is a different story because then you would have more options, especially within the overaccumulated portion of your BTC holdings.


I would have had rather held the bitcoin, and even to keep buying bitcoin with all kinds of resources between early 2022 to late 2023 would not have been a bad thing.

Let's say that I figured that I could gardner $105k between 2022 and 2023 from a variety of sources and invest into bitcoin. So I started buying on January 1, 2022 with a goal of investing into bitcoin for 2 years straight with that $105k that I was going to source from a variety of places, and I figured that I could invest $1k per week for the next 105 weeks (which would have had been 2 years), and so I can look at a DCA calculator and now see that at the end of the 2 years, I would have had been able to accumulate 4 BTC during that time, which would be a good place to be to have 4 BTC based on having had $105k (or $1k per week to invest into bitcoin that was drawn from various sources that I had figured that I could wrangle up over 2 years).  I would be quite proud of myself to have had been able to accomplish such front loading of my investment.

Accordingly by the time, that I finished investing (at the end of 2023) then maybe I was not quite at overaccumulation status, but right now 4 BTC would give me a spot price value of $465k, but more importantly a 200-WMA value of $210k, which means that I could perpetually withdraw $21k per year from that, yet I can see from my latest fuck you status chart projections that if I were willing to wait to withdraw until late 2029, it may well be the case that I should be able to withdraw $80k per year from a 4 BTC bitcoin stash..


My shooting really is not very good, and I think that it has to do with my eye dominance so I would have to change my eye dominance with some training.. and surely you are referring to a long rifle with a accurately adjusted scope and surely with either a tripod or some kind of a surface to rest it on (not holding the rifle.. since that would be even more difficult). Surely.. scopes get thrown off frequently, and so there are needs to do target practice to make sure that the scope is accurate.. .

Sure, maybe it is true that a lot of folks can train themselves to cause 200-yards to be an easy shot.. and yeah of course that is around 2 football fields.

Another thing is that I would imagine if someone is shooting to kill then they would be shooting for a headshot, so the fact that the shot hit the neck may well mean that he missed, but he missed in a direction that ended up being quite effective.

I doubt 200-Yards is easy... even if you think so.  Maybe others agree with you, and that is o.k, and your proclaiming to be able to make that shot with 500 yards?  Have you consistently hit targets (like target practice) at that range?  500 yards is holy shit.. half a kilometer.  I have my doubts.  Call me an arm chaired skeptic.

A little heart warming! You can still join all the contest and still have nothing to write home about dude LoL.
Most of these free contest are based on your ability to be good at predictions and you must have gather so many experience to have aid your winnings for all these years .
It's just like a baby trying to walk with a support. The movement will be slow and taken gradually over a certain period of time. If the baby continues on a daily basis, they will get to a time when their will be no need for a support and movement will be done by themselves.
If I join the contest often times, I might start winning gradually. Perhaps, power of consistency!

If you have won several times then you must be lucky. I have applied for many contests which I ended up not being lucky and I don't know why. Maybe my luck is not on that board LoL. There are plenty of contests there and I hope to be fortunate one. It is not actually easy to win many of these contests due to the high rate of participants trying their luck just like you.
Perhaps application on these contests is just a number, luck is what set up the winning possibility.
I will keep trying to see when I will be fortunate winning any of these contests so I can at least smile for a day if not two.

You’re right, this sneaky bastard usually copy everything from an admin especially the username that typically change a little bit like “o” to “0” and other letter to number changes just to look like he is the real admin.

These scammers is very updated and know everything so they can easily scam anyone that posting problem on the group.

Worst they relentlessly calling if you allow to be called by someone.

If you can join anything free, why don't participate and try your luckiness?

Chance of winning is small but it's free and by participating many times, perhaps it will come to your lucky turn and you can have a win. You can visit the Games and Rounds board and check newest topics manually or you can find threads that collect all newest active games and rounds. One forum member did it in the past but he abandoned his topic after his account was banned. Not sure it was unbanned or permanently banned.

LIST CONTEST!

There are likely going to be a lot of people regretting having had sold too much bitcoin too soon at or around $100k.  Yeah, $100k was a nice round number and it seem like a BIG number, but there is still a need to be careful about selling too much too soon.

There might have had been a few who sold some bitcoin at and around $100k and then bought back, yet I doubt that the dominant mindset was hanging onto your bitcoin, which is likely part of the reason that we have been spending quite a bit of time at and around $100k.

We will see what happens, and it is always dangerous to be trying to trade bitcoin and then ending up with way more bitcoin than you would have had because you are expecting dips that do not end up happening.

it is a repeated pattern in bitcoin that is not likely to end.. , just like there were too many folks selling around $1k in 2017 and too many selling at around $10k in 2017, 2018, 2019 and even into 2020... .. Funny when I say it.  We were around $10k for a pretty long time.. covering 4 calendar years.  I doubt that we are going to spend so much time around $100k, but who knows?  Almost anything can happen, but some things are more likely than other things... and frequently people get it wrong, especially in regards to bitcoin and especially in regards to low coiners, no coiner and those who have been thinking about bitcoin as a trade rather than as an investment.


You seem to be talking about trading rather than investing.  Even a more elderly person should come into bitcoin with at least a 4 year timeline for any new buy that he makes, otherwise he is trading rather than investing.

Of course, if someone reaches overaccumulation status he has more options, and if he reaches such status in just a year or two, then he still has more options to sell beyond his overaccumulated amount, yet he still may well be devolving into trading rather than investing, yet if he is only selling within his overaccumulated amount then it could be argued that he is still investing with the portion of BTC that he continues to hold.

Maybe an example might help?  Let's use your form registration date and say that about 2.5 years ago (in the beginning of 2023) a person had an income of $30k per year, and he had been investing aggressively (in non bitcoin areas) for somewhere around 10 years before coming to bitcoin (maybe he was investing 25% per year - around $8k per year and $150 per week), and so his investment portfolio before coming to bitcoin had grown to right around 5x his income  (a combination of what he put in (around $80k) and appreciation of the investment over a bit more than 10 years). .So maybe in early 2023 had $150k in his investment portfolio, and when he heard about bitcoin he got excited and considered that he would channel a lot of what he had previously been investing into bitcoin for the next 2.5 years (which would be around $20k), and he would take around 1/2 of his then investment and but that into bitcoin (so that would be $75k), which means that over that 2.5-ish years period he was planning to invest around $100k into bitcoin...  

He would invest straight from his income and in order to incur the fewest of penalties, he would withdraw from his already existing investment and transfer it into bitcoin... on a weekly and/or monthly basis so he would have had invested $700 per week since January 2023, and he would have had invested close to $100k and he would have accumulated close to 2.2 BTC that currently has a spot price value of $250k and a 200-WMA value of $115k.

Personally, I would consider that he has not yet over invested into bitcoin, and maybe he should continue to invest at around $100 to $150 per week - presuming that he has withdrawn as much as he believes reasonable from his traditional investment..  Yet of course, these are personal choices about what to do and whether enough stacking has taken place in merely a 2 year timeline, even though he is right around 2.5x in profits with the spot price of his current holdings, yet the 200-WMA value of his 2.2 BTC holdings is ONLY about $115k (which means that he could only sustainably withdraw about $11.5k per year.  In part his own assessment of what he would like to withdraw might make a difference.

The scenario would be slightly different if the guy had withdrawn the whole $75k from his traditional investment in early 2023 and maybe invested it over 3-6 months and included to buy bitcoin with a DCA of around $150 per week from his regular income, then maybe he could have had accumulated around 3.6 bitcoin, yet I am still not sure if 3.6 BTC would get him to overaccumulation status, at least not enough to be selling any major portions of his holdings.. yet sure, again, these are somewhat personal discretionary decisions even though some choices will likely be shown to be better ways of dealing with the matter than others..


You have been registered on the forum as long as me, and you are still distracted by shitcoins, and thinking that it is a good idea to try to trade bitcoin?  Hopefully you have been investing in bitcoin rather than fucking around trying to predict tops...

You may well realize that there are a couple of primary ways that guys can go wrong in their approach to bitcoin which relate to failure/refusal to adequately prepare for up, which is selling too much to soon and failing/refusing to buy enough.  Which one are you?   You might not realize which one you are.

If you had merely been investing around $50 per week since your forum registration date, you would have invested less than $30k, but you would have close to 23 BTC.  I doubt whatever fucking around with trading and/or shitcoining that you've been doing (and/or focusing upon) has gotten you close to or better than those kinds of results.

That’s a lot of work for the group admins to keep the community safe, although since they are being paid for that, it might be easier for them to regulate the telegram community. And the use of Bot will even make it easier the admin of the group to filter these phishing and scam links automatically but since some of the casino take the Telegram groups important, they can just keep up with these acts to sanitize the community.


That’s the safest way to avoid scams because scammers don’t have one method, they use several method just to get their job done. Avoiding any unknown messages is better for security reasons.

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A person can try to work towards making himself more financially stable, and bitcoin is one of the tools that are available, yet just investing into bitcoin won't be enough if a person cannot generate discretionary income and/or to have some form of income that is available to pay expenses and then to have left over funds (discretionary funds) to be able to invest.  

Sometimes unstable situations are temporary, and sometimes they last a long time. .A person could start out stable and then go unstable for a period of time, and then work himself back into being stable again.  There are a lot of scenarios in which aspects of an investment into bitcoin might either be interrupted or at least challenged in terms of being able to continue to invest into it, and if there are cashflow problems, then adding to the bitcoin investment may well need to be temporarily suspended ..

Ideally we create and maintain our cashflow management systems/practices to lessen chances that unstable periods of our finances and/or our psychology will have negative impacts and/or to mitigate any negative impacts that they end up having on our bitcoin investment.

It seems to me also if a person can get through a whole cycle of investing into bitcoin (like 4 years), it is likely he would have built stronger cashflow management practices and built his bitcoin investment during that time too - and also he will hopefully become better informed by his 4 years of investing in bitcoin and building his cashflow management systems to prioritize investing in bitcoin and to tweak and/or to improve in any areas that he might determine as necessary to improve - and many times 4 years is not going to have had been enough for a person who is just investing regularly, and it is likely there will be a need to continue to invest and/or build beyond 4 years.  

Of course, the more that a person had been able to front load his investment into bitcoin (such as he comes across other money or he starts out by having some other money sources), then perhaps he would be in a better position to have had gotten to a bitcoin stash size in which he might determine that it is justified for him to slow down on his bitcoin accumulation process.

Let me give an example of the past 4 years and an example of the past 8 years, just to show how a bitcoin investment might progress, even though surely past performance does not guarantee future results.

4-year investor: Let's say that a person was able to invest fairly aggressively at a rate of 25% per year of his income into bitcoin for the past 4 years, so that is about as aggressive as anyone is able to reasonably expect to be able to do, and he needs to have that money as part of his discretionary income.  Additionally, he is going to have to have fairly strong cashflow management skills/practices to accomplish an ability to ongoingly invest around 25% of his income into bitcoin, and if this guy earned an income of $30k per year, then over 4 years he would have had invested $30k, which would have been about $150 per week.

In such a scenario, this 4-year investor guy would have had accumulated right around 0.83 BTC which currently has a spot price value of right around $93k and a 200-WMA value of around $44k, and so surely his investment is doing well, yet it is not quite close enough to really change his practices of ongoing BTC accumulation, and he likely would want to and need to continue to invest, since a 200-WMA value of $44k would likely only support around a $4,400 per year income, and maybe this guy has goals to get to a point of doubling his income to something like $60k or even to get his investment up to an ability to withdraw $80k per year.    So perhaps he  is not going to withdraw any of the bitcoin until it adequately reaches his threshold target level of being able to generate something between $60k and $80k per year of income.

8-year investor: Sometimes the investment just needs to run its course a bit longer to start to feel more solid results.  Let's say that a similarly-situated guy with a $30k per year income and investing 25% of his income at $150 per week, had followed the same plan as above for the whole past 8 years, yet the only difference was that he started investing in 2017 (4 years earlier, for a total of 8 years investing), and so he had invested $60k over the past 8 years and accumulated 4.55 BTC.   Right now 4.55 BTC has a spot price value of right around $508k and a 200-WMA value of around $238k, and so surely his investment is doing better than the guy who had ONLY been investing 4 years, and so right now if we look at his 200-WMA valuation, we can see such $238k 200-WMA valuation  would currently support an annual income of $24k (and so surely he is getting closer and closer to his goals), but he had not yet reached his goals    

Even if his goal is to get his income up to $80k per year, before he might start to draw from his bitcoin, he can see from my latest fuck you status table that it is likely that somewhere between 4.55 BTC and 5 BTC (in case he wants to continue accumulating) would get him to an ability to withdraw $80k per year in early 2029, which surely would not be bad for a person who had started out with ONLY an income of $30k per year, but a persistence in his desire to accumulate as much bitcoin as he could do.

Of course, if he had been able to lump sum buy or buy bitcoin earlier rather than later, then he might have had been able to accumulate more bitcoin at a faster rate, yet the fact of the matter is that so many normal people struggle to ongoingly have money to invest, and more likely scenarios involve guys who are just ongoingly taking from their income (and from their discretionary income) in order to figure out how aggressive they are able to invest into bitcoin without overdoing it.. .

and yeah, of course, the examples that I gave can be adjusted for whatever might happen to be our own particular income level.


Of course investing is built on a premise of deferred gratification (deferred consumption), yet there is still a balance that each of us has to try to reach depending on a variety of our personal circumstances.  If we do not spend any money on anything except the absolute necessities, then maybe we might suffer in a variety of ways in our social lives, and we also might have responsibilities to others, such as friends and families.

I am not opposed to the idea of greatly cutting out consumption, yet we still have to realize that even if we take care of our basic expenses, there may be ways to cut back on some of our expenses, yet sometimes some of our spending actually causes us to be more productive, so we have to be careful regarding cutting back too much, and maybe if we live in a bad neighborhood and if we wear used clothes, we might have more difficulties getting ahead because frequently we have to be liked and/or to present well in order to gain access to some limited resources, whether it is jobs or whether it might be getting invited to parties that might allow us to properly network and perhaps lead to more opportunities.


Some young people may well be better off to gain certain skills, knowledge and/or experiences while they are younger and that may lead to better employment options and/or opportunities as compared with a person who had already worked his whole life.

Also, some older folks might be better off to retrain and to get into some other kind of work, even though it might cost money to do that.


You cannot assume that everyone is at the same stage, even though surely there can be some commonality with younger people who might be first moving away from home and starting from whatever social circles that they have, but then there can be a certain amount of baggage that comes from folk who might have had been working for a while already, and some have already been trying to invest, and maybe some have made better progress than others.  You are preaching to the choir in terms fo my own preference that guys figure out ways to build various life and/or employment skills at younger ages, and bitcoin is merely one part of that, yet there can be aspects of bitcoin that conflict with wherever a person might have had previously thought that he is going, yet when he comes across bitcoin, then bitcoin might have had helped him to change plans or even created conflict in regards to what kind of profession that he might pursue, in the even that he is a young  person still trying to decide what is going to be his profession.


Bitcoin is still a relatively new asset class, so people have to figure out how much time, energy and/or value that they might choose to put into bitcoin versus something else, and they might already have other investments.

Of course, even if we assume that many people have not taken adequate measures to invest prior to hearing about bitcoin, yet we cannot completely presume the status of other investments that bitcoin newbies might have in the beginning and some of the juggling that they might have to make in terms of considering bitcoin as compared with other assets that they have or as compared with other assets that they might invest into.  I am not referring to fucking around with shitcoins, even though surely there are plenty of folks who get distracted into shitcoins, especially if they might be starting without much or any other investments.


Yes, of course, holding your own bitcoin should be the goal, yet people may well not start holding their own keys.  They might work their way up to such a status, and it may well take some time for them to get to a point in which they are holding an overwhelming majority of their bitcoin.. such as greater than 90% of their holdings is self-custody.. yet there are a lot of people who might not even know the difference between owning bitcoin and holding it with a third party or buying exposure to bitcoin through a bitcoin ETF or by owning something like Microstrategies.


Historically bitcoin has provided the most profits, and sure it could continue to be the best risk-adjusted investment, yet bitcoin's future price performance is not even close to being guaranteed.


You are flip flopping.  You said that there is no reason to consume and then now you are saying to NOT invest all of your discretionary income in bitcoin.  


It is unclear what you are saying here.

Maybe you could give an example of what you mean.   We also know that if we describe a hypothetical person, then that hypothetical person might not capture a variety of circumstances, so it might be good to compare one hypothetical person to another, especially when you seem to be saying more than one thing and almost contradicting what you said in the first part of your post.


I think that people with age and/or health considerations could still categorize themselves as an investor if they are planning to have an investment timeline of 4-10 years (meaning less than 10 years)..

I think that anyone coming into bitcoin with less than a 4 year timeline is trading rather than investing, even though surely some folks might come into bitcoin with less than a 4 year timeline, but then change their mindset after spending some time investing into bitcoin and learning further about it.

I think that some folks might come to bitcoin with greater than a 4 year investment timeline or even greater than a 10 year investment timeline, but sometimes life circumstances might force them out of their position, even if they had intended to be in bitcoin for a longer period of time.


That does not sound smart to me.  Bitcoin has proven itself as a good thing to own, which is likely going to continue to be true in 10-15 years from now and thereafter, so even if you may have done a lot of the accumulation of things right, and you accumulated bitcoin for two cycles and then maybe you waited another cycle before you started to contemplate selling, and then you sold most or all of your bitcoin, then what are you selling them for?  

Where you going to put that money?  At that point you are planning to buy back, especially if you are selling upon an ATH?


Using a loan is a form of front loading an investment, and sure there are risks that the BTC price will go down rather than up during the term of the loan, so it is likely best that the person taking the loan has means to pay the loan without expecting the BTC price to go up.

I am surely not going to proclaim that I know the answers to whatever questions that I throw out there since frequently there is going to be personal tailoring that helps each of us to figure out our own balances in regards to both our bitcoin investment and also any of our implementations of our cashflow management practices.  I have made plenty of my own mistakes over the years, and sure sometimes we might not realize the impact of our mistakes for several years down the road, yet we cannot go back and change our priorities, or even expect that there is are perfect answers, since most likely there are balances and getting matters directionally correct while we might tweak our courses of action from time to time.


I don't know where I can help any further.  I stated my concerns about how you are looking at the matter, and I don't really believe in trying to trade something like bitcoin, since tend to suggest that guys focus on accumulation through buying until they get enough or more than enough which it can take while to get to such status of having enough or more than enough.

I also consider selling to not be a good accumulation strategy, even though I would consider that if you thinking that the market and the price are getting overheated, then you might want to slow down in buying and then just let your cash build up during those times for the price to dip, even though you would run the risk of getting it wrong and the price goes up rather than down, yet I would consider that the problem of having to buy at a higher price to be less of a problem than having had sold an then the price goes up, especially if you already know that your goal is to accumulate more bitcoin.. .


I still don't claim to understand your squigglies.. and yeah, the price could break out in either direction.. yet if we are still in a bull market, it is likely to break out to the upside, and sometimes we don't know when the bull market is over until it is 3-6 months after it is already over.. at least that has been my own personal experience in past cycles, and I would not be surprised if I end up in a similar situation this time around, even though my own behavior is largely holding through the ups and downs, except I had considered that I reached overaccumulation status in late 2014.. even though I kept accumulating through 2015 and 2016.

It does seem that persons who reach overaccumulation status are in a better position to start to sell some of their bitcoin, but yeah, frequently mistakes can be made in regards to when overaccumulation status is reached. 

My own ways of assessing over accumulation status has changed through the years, so I am not sure if there is necessarily one way of figuring out what your own numbers might be, since your over accumulation status numbers would be tailored to your financial and psychological circumstances.


I figured that you had more ins and outs rather than just buying and sitting on the BTC that you bought, yet still overall there are several of us who likely made mistakes along the way, and may well have had ended up with fewer bitcoin due to some of those mistakes or even not considering that we were making any mistakes.


Sometimes a job can be convenient, yet at a certain point the numbers might not add up or there might be inconveniences in maintaining the job that may contribute to a parting of the ways.  Sometimes also the medical insurance or some other perks of employment might keep some folks from wanting to give up their job... yet at the same time, I think that my earlier numbers that I showed through the sustainable withdrawals tool also show that if you reach your income level or even multiples higher than your current income number that you can start to provide to yourself in a sustainable (perpetual) way, then you might well consider that you have enough of a financial cushion to either completely cut your tie to your regular job or perhaps to attempt to cut back your hours.


If you have sufficiently investigated into the "business" then using 1/3 of your BTC may well be reasonable diversification, yet at the same time, don't get distracted by nominal value - especially since the dollar has been rapidly debasing in value - especially even more rapidly since March 2020.. but still I get your point that the income could be sufficiently high and a different way of getting money that allows you to potentially quit your job.. It also seems that some folks will purposefully go into other kinds of income streams so that they are not totally dependent on bitcoin, yet it also potentially raises fewer red flags if you have money coming from other sources (besides bitcoin), in the event that you might start to sustainably cash out from whatever your remaining bitcoin balance might be... that is if you need to generate any other income from your bitcoin..  I will concede that sometimes there is value in letting your bitcoin continue to ride and then to draw income from other places (other than your bitcoin), which seems, in part, to be what you are doing in regards to putting 1/3-ish of your bitcoin stash into a likely inferior asset/investment..


Yep I sold my BCH (aka bcash) around that price too (on average).. I had some sell below 0.1 and then I had others sell in the upper 0.2s.

The world would be much better if people questioned, but no, there are very few who question what it is because it is happening around us and around the world, governments throw poison in the air and say that it is to kill mosquitoes, but those who die are the bees and dragonflies, who control the larvae and mosquitoes,.... JJGEE is a good example of a questioner, although not all the questions he asks have a defined goal, but in most of them, they are very interesting questions to answer. for a better world, we need more JJG!






No, in this case, I wanted to show the same date with a similar pattern, in the case of the same day/month of a different year, on the day I wrote it was the same day ...nothing relevant, just the pattern that , I see similarity because it is coming from a top, in the case of 2022, , the top was much further away, Taking into account the same date that i d mention, but also as I said, things are different now, institutional demand.
 I believe that your question has already come with the answer,....., more dynamic market, perhaps a shortening of the cycle, already predicting the next cycle and more demand...........

.I also see how little time it, the price, stays low after it reaches a new high?.. still above 110, and now seems to be reversing the process, as if it had formed a shoulder head shoulder in the monthly.this after it passed in 116 ~120, with good volume, seller in 4 out of seven weeks...,  And I also didn't say if the price will fall or rise... but the last line meeting was at 116, which has a good volume in that area.... But didn't I say buy or sell? Told? It was not and will not make a trade warning, however, just a similar detail in the dynamic price on the same day and month, three years ago.....

Is it okay?, where I'm wrong, can you correct me, please.

I did not want to repeat, but, I will try different,,. Why would I copy a chart out there to show just one detail?





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I think that bitcoin is performing fine.

Sure, from time to time, there are going to be other assets that might appear to be outperforming bitcoin in short or medium term timeframes.

The zoomed out pictures shows that bitcoin is eating the fuck out of gold's lunch, but hey whatever, if you want to get distracted by short-to-medium noise, then that is on you.

By the way, I would also consider that gold is not a threat to the powers that be, since they have already figured out various ways to control it, so there could even be some attempts by the powers that be to pump gold, even though they are likely retarded in terms of how much money they are going to end up losing by betting on the gold horse rather than on the bitcoin horse, and for sure there are quite a few folks recently coming out of hybernation to tell us how wonderful gold is.  [insert eye-rolling meme here].


I did a quickie search to ask the internet (AI is everywhere these days) whether BlueWallet uses Java Script, and sure the answer was yes.

I use BlueWallet and I have been recommending it as a "good" starting wallet... but yeah of course with any hot wallet (or wallet held on a phone), we have to be careful in regards to how much value we hold on such phone wallets (hot wallets).


I hate to do the math, even though I did the math.. the fewest number of coins that you could have (at spot prices)  to have had touched upon 8 digits would be 80 BTC.. .and in order to get 80 BTC for ONLY $5k, you would have had to pay $62.50 per coin or less  - unless you traded yourself out of your average cost per BTC...

Of course the last time that BTC prices touched upon $62.50 was in 2013.  I am not sure if it dipped all the way to $62.50 after the run up to $263 in March/April 2013, but it was not any long lasting price, even though before February or so of 2013, you could have had easily gotten BTC for less than $62.50 and even less than $10 for most of 2012 and into the first few weeks of 2013. 


That does not sound like a good idea.. but hey whatever do what you like.

Take the best investment in the world and stick it in a likely inferior investment.

If  you were to have 80 bitcoin or more, then currently that quantity of bitcoin would allow you to withdraw $410k per year in a perpetually sustainable way, and sure the main issue is cashing out $410k every year..  Bitcoin would also allow you to have a 7% increase in the amount each year... so $410k in year 1, $439k in year 2, $470k in year 3, $502k in year 4, etc, etc, etc.

I am not opposed to diversifying some of it out, even though surely bitcoin seems solid.. but again, yeah whatever floats your boat

Even if you withdrew 1/3, the remaining 53.3 BTC .. Could generate you around $280k per year with 7% increases each year, which will likely cause it to surpass the value of your inferior investment (cashflow)  in a cycle or two.  I have not worked out the numbers of course, and future performance does remain a wee bit of a speculation, too... so there is that angle, too.


It is not unreasonable.. especially if you are really ONLY cashing out around 1/3 of it.


The experience is a bit surreal for those of us who largely held and accumulated for a couple of cycles or more, and surely there can be quite a bit of value to the front loading aspect, even though it would have had been difficult to get 80-ish BTC for ONLY $5k.   I subscribe to more of the ongoing investment philosophy, even though surely buying on the dip could have had worked out.. so in some sense, you had a bit of a different approach than what I would have had imagined, even if there might have had been some front loading of the initial $5k.. I would have considered ongoing buying at least to a point.. but yeah, what do I know?

Call me a wet blanket.       


I recall seeing him chime in from time to time over the years.


I hardly buy that part either... since .let's says that the $400k per year is coming from $4 million that had been cashed out of bitcoin.  No traditional investment is going to pay you at that rate 10% .. .. They might pay you at 4% for the ability to use $4 million in cash which would be around $160k per year... .. which is also part of the justification to keep it in bitcoin, even though surely like I mentioned above, I am not opposed to the idea of diversifying. .especially if it is ONLY 1/3 of the stash....
 

Some specifics might be helpful to describe such a financial tool/device if it were to exist.

And, yeah, congrats Biodom, you out wet-blanketed me.   

OK. Percebi.
Realmente não tinha percebido como é que o problema chegou a essas bibliotecas.

O pior é que muitas vezes esse código malicioso fica difícil de detectar, mesmo por quem analisa. Principalmente se o desenvolvedor for de confiança e a biblioteca muito usada.

Uma coisa é certa, nunca pense que esta seguro, qualquer um pode ser "apanhado".




Procuro sempre correr tudo localmente, principalmente os scripts fundamentais para o funcionamento. Atualizações só meses depois, para evitar erros de lançamento.

Enfim, todo o cuidado é pouco, e no final todo o mundo esta de alguma forma exposto a que algo possa acontecer.

Olha, eu nunca imaginei sofrer um ataque DDoS no TalkImg, e sofri. Então, nunca se esta livre dessas situações.

Why are you assuming that everyone makes a stable income?  Some people make a stable income and some do not.

Sure it is better to have a stable income rather than not having one... but a stable income is not necessary in order to be able to invest in bitcoin.


We also consume with our discretionary income... We can choose to consume right away or we can delay our consumption by investing and/or saving.


No it is not, since you do not have to have stable income order to have discretionary income.

In order to have discretionary income, all that you need is income that goes beyond your expenses. which is like saying that you have extra money and you can do whatever you like with it... and some people choose to be more responsible with their money and others decide to spend it as fast as they get it.    Part of the definition of discretionary is that you have a choice regarding how to spend that money, and you do not need it for expenses.

Sure, if you income is not stable and you are not sure whether you have further income coming in, or you are not sure about your expenses, then you could mistakenly conclude that you have more discretionary income than you do, and you might end up spending money that you had needed for your expenses.


No you don't.  If you want to invest in bitcoin all you need is to have income that is greater than your expenses.  Now if you want to continue to buy beyond the first purchase and/or you want to hang onto your bitcoin and not end up spending it to cover your future expenses, then you have to have enough income or savings to be able to pay for your future expenses.

Keep in mind there is one point in time in which anyone might buy bitcoin and expect to be able to continue to hold the bitcoin and to buy more bitcoin in the future, yet the future is not completely known.  Each of us might strive to keep our job or we might strive to control our expenses and/or to otherwise manage our cashflow with back up funds, but if we end up having future expenses that are greater than our income and we deplete our various forms of savings and/or back up funds, we may well end up having to spend our bitcoin at a time that is not completely of our own choosing.


The idea of sustainable withdrawal is that you are tending to withdraw at a rate that is lower than the amount that your bitcoin is growing.. so even if you continue to withdraw your bitcoin goes up in value faster and greater than you are withdrawing.

So let's say you had an income of around $30k per year, and you were investing pretty aggressively into bitcoin around 17% of your income and you had been investing $100 per week into bitcoin since December 2015, and over the past (nearly 9 years), you had invested right around $47k, and you had accumulated right around 15.5 BTC.  

And, so you were feeling pretty good about your 15.5 BTC because it currently has a spot value of $1.7 million, and a 200-WMA value of more than $800k.. so the part that you are interested in is the 200-WMA, since you don't want to withdraw at a rate that is greater than the bitcoin is growing, yet you are confident that you have calculated correctly, and you can start to either withdraw around $6,666 per month on a sustainable basis or you can make any adjustments that you need and you are pretty confident that you have enough bitcoin that you will never go below the $800k 200-WMA valuation if you withdraw at the rate that is 10% of the value of the 200-WMA value per year.. and surely if you put such withdrawal system in practice you have enough cushion that you could start to withdraw at a lower rate if you are not confident that your withdrawal formula is sustainable at your chosen rate of $6,666 per month or $80k per year.

Also it seems to me that if you are using the 200-WMA as your sustainable withdrawal guide you likely could increase your dollar value at about 7% per year and still never go below your ability to withdraw and to not overly deplete your BTC holdings.  So the first year would be $80k.  The second year would be $85.6k. The third year would be $91.6k.  The 4th year would be $98k... etc etc etc.

And yeah, you have to figure out formulas so that you don't overly withdraw, yet it seems that bitcoin is a great investment to facilitate such guidelines.


Each of us has to decide how much back up funds we feel that we need to have to protect ourselves, to give ourselves options and to not to cause us to have to do something that we don't want to do.  So it surely may well be the case that there are a large number of folks who come to bitcoin and they already have back up funds, yet if they do not have any back up funds, then they are not prohibited from starting to invest in bitcoin, and surely if they have a very shitty cashflow situation and a lot of debt, they they have to figure out the extent to which they have discretionary income or not, since if their income does not exceed their expenses (including their need to service debts), then they might not be in a strong enough position to be able to invest in bitcoin.  

The mere fact that a person does not have back up funds does not necessarily mean that he is not able to invest into bitcoin as long as he can determine that he has discretionary funds, and if he has discretionary funds, then he can decide how to spend his discretionary funds.  Of course, it seems to make sense that if a person is going to continue to invest into bitcoin or even to increase the amount invested with the passage of time, such as buying bitcoin on a weekly basis, then the more important that he strengthens his cashflow management situation and his cashflow management practices, otherwise he would be engaging in gambling rather than investing.  It can take a while for some folks to both invest in bitcoin (and build up his bitcoin investment) and to strengthen his cashflow management systems/practices in order that he can feel more comfortable increasing the level of his aggressiveness in his bitcoin investing practices.  Those balances can be learned along the way. He does not need to have all of his balances figured out in order to get started investing in bitcoin.  


There is nothing wrong with having a time target, too.  Some guys have more flexibilities with their time, and other guys might not.  

Other guys might not be able to get to exactly where they would like to be, and they might have age and/or health considerations or some other kinds of needs that they consider to be reasonable, so they might accumulate BTC for one or two cycles.... and then enter sustainable withdraw from where-ever they happen to be.  Let's say that a guy is in his early 50s (let's say he just turned 53), and he feels like he is getting old and his retirement prospects are not feeling as good as he thought that it would be.  

Let's say that his income is around $50k, and even though he had been investing for around 20 years, he had ONLY gotten his investment portfolio to  around $200k. He is thinking that he might take around 25% of his investment portfolio and invest it into bitcoin (which would be around $50k), and he also is going to invest around 20% of his income into bitcoin for the next 6-9 years (right now that would be around $12.5k per year, or $250 per week).  He is just going to do as best at he can and see where he is at in 6-9 years, and he would like to stop working by his late 50s or maybe by his early 60s at the latest, so he is considering to just invest into bitcoin as aggressively as he is able to accomplish in the next 6-9 years and see where it gets him.

He can see on his end if he invests around 25% of his income plus some kind of front loading of $50k into bitcoin, then each 4 years, he would invest the equivalent of his annual income after 8 years he would have had invested right around $150k into bitcoin.  He can ONLY control the portion that he can control and do his best with whatever resources that he has available.

They have bonus tab for reason and if people want to avail those bonuses Betfury offering to them base on what they can available to get then its their choice.

They could choose whatever bonuses to avail. Its just people need to be aware of those requirements before they can withdraw then accept the rules since this is what they implemented on their casino.

Betfury became more popular because of those types of promotions and bonuses they have and so far people don't have big concerns towards what they are implementing. Also we cannot really compare them to other platform since they provably have different structures or implementations made.

Foram bem longe, ao ponto de matarem a mulher do primeiro ministro.

A questão, é será que estamos perante um caso que será isolado, ou pode realmente motivar outras ações similares em outros países da região ou do mundo?

Speaking of Treasury bills, does it really solve any issue?
I mean, treasury bills are like debts the governments take from investors, and if you take a debt to pay back, you have to invest the money, make a profit, keep the profit for yourself and pay back the debt you took. So, if the government takes on this debt and, in its usual fashion, spends it (instead of investing it), how will it pay back? They will either pay back from other revenues like taxes, or they will pay from money borrowed. They can also pay from newly issued T-bills. So does this solve anything about the total national debt, or does it make it worse?

O Facebook.

E a ideia ele também roubou

Parabéns criptoevangelista, praticamente 2 anos e já é "quase" Legendary
Foi bem rápido, eu me lembro que demorei mais que isso hehehe

Os merits aqui na nossa aba também estão circulando muito bem graças a todos

Assim que se tornar Legendary você vai entrar para um grupo super secreto 

You seem to have had gotten your years wrong.

If you understand that bitcoin has been in a 4-year cycle pattern for the past 16-ish years (sure it is not necessarily precise, but it is how many of us consider the BTC price movements and/or dynamics).

Accordingly, since we are in 2025, then we are looking at 2021 as the place where we are at and not 2022..... since 2022 was pattern upon a downward year that came after the 2021 top, and yeah, the pattern may well not be exact, but if you are looking at 2022 you are in the wrong part of the cycle since 2022 goes along with 2026 looking forward and it goes along with 2018 looking back.

By the way, is that your chart with the various squigglies?  or did you get such chart from someone else?

Don't get me wrong. There are some guys who are considering that the 4- year cycle could break at any time, yet it seems to be better to counting the dynamics of the 4-year cycle rather than making up some theory that makes little sense... especially 2022 was totally a down year and we spent 2023, 2024 and this year slowly (and sometimes not so slowly) grinding up from the 2022 lows.. and so therefore questions relate to the extent to which the cycle might be ending or if we might have some kind of a blow off top or potentially otherwise deviating from the four-year cycle by going into some kind of an extended uppity period that drags in to 2026 - which many people consider to still be possible, but it still does not put us into 2022 based on actual dynamics of where we are at, and 2022 we ended up going below the 200-WMA for right around 16 months, and ever since about early 2024 we have been significantly above the 200-WMA.. including currently - nearly 120%  above the 200-WMA.

Wouldn't' you consider the dynamics to be different right now since we are 120%-ish above the 200-WMA as compared to September 5, 2022 (the date circled on your chart, when we were about 14% below the 200-WMA?

What you are saying is confusing, and you are proclaiming to aspire towards being a bitcoin trader. Right?


That is categorically incorrect.

Saylor is a representative of a very large company that is getting bigger and bigger due to his using other people's money to buy bitcoin for himself and his company... and perhaps creating a honey pot for Uncle Sam to take.

I believe that suits him, in that way, he is the first to know about every raffle that uses his tool. An ideal time for information about something that will soon be saturated with applications. If he wants to participate in similar raffles, mentioning his username is a win-win situation for him.

Obrigado @sabotag3x e muito obrigado a todos que me ajudaram nessa jornada que é o bitcoin talk, 1000 méritos, nossa, bem feliz mesmo, pra mim era um número muito distante de se conseguir, mas quando chega nele, parece que foi tão rápido 

Todo o pessoal aqui da aba valeu mesmo, @Paredao que deu uma grande força na reta final, o @TryNinja e @bitmover que também ajudaram muito, muito mesmo nessa caminhada!

deixo um muito obrigado a todos os amigos mais ativos aqui da aba:

@rdluffy
@joker_josue
@l3pox
@Pumared
@alegotardo
@Forsyth Jones
@nikolaspaolo
@tg88
@r_victory
@Mindyspace
@mikel_012
@alexrossi
@sabotag3x


se eu esqueci de alguém me desculpe, eu ratifico depois

The merit number 1000 was given to me by @famososMuertos, thank you very much! And I can’t forget merit number 500, which was given to me by @philipma1957, and also the very first merit I ever received here on the forum, which was given to me by @joker_josue! 

Thank you. 

The problem is making comparison or trying to impose a forceful order, make complains in a good and proper manner then if the casino is willing they can make some changes but, it’s never a must deciding what the casino does for example bonuses are not our decision to make although casino feel the need for such promotion offer basically promotions are part of marketing strategy. Deposit bonus still comes with a requirement if I’m not mistaking there’s a certain amount stated by the casino before anyone can enjoy bonus. Giving free bonuses without any requirement is not done anywhere, like I said if the requirement is too high why not avoid such promotion and focus on the casino alone besides we can’t judge a good casino by mere viewing the bonus offer alone.

Or maybe adding a userscript as alternative for extension.

It appears to be fixed now and it is showing English language.

Maybe you should think about making a small update to make it easier and quicker to add inserts and links.

If I understand correctly we have o click on icon in browser to generate bbcode is that right?

Betfury certainly provides bonuses but never forces them on their users. If someone wants to accept bonuses voluntarily by following their recommendations, then it is definitely a personal matter for the customer. And all platforms have bonus facilities to attract customers, one of which is the deposit bonus, which is the first marketing policy of every new casino site. Also, weekly bonuses, monthly bonuses, these are more or less available on all platforms. Sites that are already very popular and at the top level offer relatively more bonuses because their revenue is also very high, so all platforms cannot be considered the same.

Hello, and thank you for your comment and also for pointing out the correct way to use quoting. I’ll make sure to follow that going forward. Regarding your question I see why it might look like the issue is "on our side", so let me clarify a bit.

We already use two independent AML providers to check every deposit, but the reality is that no two AML systems are identical. Each provider builds and maintains its own database of blockchain addresses, updates it at its own pace, and applies slightly different risk-scoring rules. Because of this, it’s possible that a transaction passes our checks but still gets flagged later by a liquidity partner who uses a different provider or has different thresholds. By our testing we never had any problem sending them up to 75% of AML risk.

And this is not about being less strict, it’s simply that databases are not universal. Even very "strict" scoring with one provider cannot guarantee the same result across another system. That’s why we’re in discussions with liquidity partners to gain access to their AML APIs, so our checks can align more closely with theirs and further reduce this risk.
So our AML process already minimizes risk as much as possible, but it cannot be eliminated 100% because different providers rely on different datasets.


Thanks for your input, you are right. I’ve already edited the title to clarify this point. As I mentioned above, using our own liquidity and DEX integration is part of our long-term roadmap. For now, we’re focused on improving the service step by step, while being transparent about the current limitations. At this stage we offer an instant crypto exchange service similar to many on the market, but with an improved mechanism.