O dono é de lá.. seria a mesma coisa que você incomodar o Xandão acho que não tem motivos para isso, do jeito que está, está ótimo.

Mas é curioso que o governo americano deu um 180º nas últimas semanas após a rejeição do Clarity Act.. tem muito projeto de regulação pró-cripto saindo de todos os lados, SEC, CFTC, FinCEN.

Mesmo assim eu concordo com o que o @bitmover trouxe.. para essa pressão voltar com força total para o outro lado basta uma eleição.. então às vezes nem vale a pena mexer no vespeiro.

Eu entendo vocês galera, o brasil não tem um histórico de democracia boa (a não ser a apurações das urnas feitas eletronicamente e no dia da votação), mas apesar disso, o Flávio ganhou no 1° turno, resta agora o 2° turno que provavelmente deve ganhar também.

O problema é a lavagem cerebral que é feito nas escolas (e muito mais nas universidades), o que é ensinado com viés altamente esquerdistas, é o método de gramsci, o que faz com que o pessoal saia das escolas ou universidades com um pensamento mais estatista, anti-empreendedorismo e socialista, por isso o pt consegue captar tantos jovens e a impreensa, mais de 80% dos jornalistas são de esquerda.

A esquerda entendeu que pra dominar uma nação, começa de berço, na educação, nas artes (artistas, atores, rede globo, cinema nacional, na impreensa e etc. isso explica a maioria dos atores brasileiros serem de esquerda.

Porém na internet, a direita domina melhor, pois é um espaço em que as ideias podem ser difundidas e qualquer um pode contestar fatos, cada um tem a sua bolha, a direita geralmente é a galera mais engajada na política, eles não ficam presos só na sua bolha, querendo ou não, eles assistem televisão tbm e acessam outras bolhas pela internet e por isso são melhores nos argumentos enquanto a esquerda tende a ser mais fechada e mais ignorante em ver o que está sendo discutido fora da caixa, isso fez lula perder as eleições do primeiro turno pela primeira vez depois de tanto tempo, deve que a janja que é outra burra colocou na cabeça do velho que ele iria ganhar no primeiro turno kkk

Por isso que eu acho que definir se funça público pode votar ou não, idade mínima e outros citados não resolveria a situação, o problema é a base, a educação, se a esquerda domina isso, pode impedir quem for de votar que não vai mudar em quase nada, vai é dar mais argumento pra esquerda de calar a direita, não caiam nessa armadilha, o problema como eu disse é quem controla a educação e os meios de comunicação...

So I played with site today . I’m starting to get the hang of it  , once again this is an amazing tool. The more I navigate, more it get clearer.

So today I made use of $10k as my Desired annual nominal purchasing power target . At today’s 200WMA I will need $100k worth of BTC which is $100,000/66,143 which approximately around 1.51BTC in my portfolio at 10% withdrawal . While at 4% I will need over approximately 3.78 BTC .

So at 10 Projection horizon  with the inflation rate of 3.0% . For 10% withdrawal I will need 0.2725 BTC  and for 4% i will 0.6814 BTC as my portfolio. So I don’t know if I read that well so I’m going to drop my link here in case of  any mistakes.

The basic concept for any calculation on conversions always starts from an understanding of the units that exists within the commodity being considered.

For Bitcoin, the basic unit remains the SAT. Of course there are several other units that can be considered and mostly, they follow the normal standards of measurements except for the Satoshi which establishes Bitcoin’s basic unit. Some of the most important and common units used in Bitcoin are;

Satoshi - SAT = 0.00000001 - 1 Sat
MilliBitcoin - mBTC = 0.001 - 100,000 Sat
Bitcoin - BTC = 1 - 100,000,000 Sat

Haven’t established that fact, then it comes down to what the price is and the unit you want to convert the price to.

Considering the price, if you are converting to the basic unit (Sats), you divide and might multiply as it applies.

Só do Flávio mythologics ter terminado o 1° turno na frente, já me reacendeu as esperanças, o mercado também ficou bastante empolgado, a bolsa IBOVESPA registrou alta histórica logo na abertura do mercado:



Ibovespa toca inéditos 209 mil pontos com favoritismo de Flávio Bolsonaro

Se Flávio conseguir fazer um governo *Razoável*, já terá sido melhor que o governo atual, o pt não se elege pra mais nada, elegemos a maior bancada de direita da história nessa eleição: https://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/eleicoes/2026/pl-faz-a-limpa-no-senado-e-tera-a-maior-bancada-de-um-partido-na-historia/

Com senado e assembleia de direita, flávio terá muito mais facilidades pra governar, só de indicação de ministros já se falam de 04 a 06 cadeiras... brutal!!

Além disso, Educarda Campopiano, que é Bitcoiner, foi a deputada estadual mais votada de São Paulo.
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O Brasil acordou e quem não está feliz é louco!

Time again for another update, reason being another quite generous transaction and a lot of smaller traffic with few in the low hundredthousand sats, too.


Current balance at time of this post according to combo(PubKey of Genesis block's coinbase) descriptor, including the unspendable 50BTC of coinbase tx: 107.58485155BTC (includes pending 10224sats waiting for confirmation, the difference (0.10513718BTC) to previous post's value and newcomer transactions are smaller dust wastes and often a few larger ones that just don't make it into the table).

This may differ slightly from what mempool.space or bitcoindata.science displays because the combo() descriptor^{see below} accounts for all address types (except Taproot, IIRC).

O theymos parece ser uma pessoa firme, ou seja, uma vez estabelecido uma regra, dificilmente será revertida, por mais que o cenário de hostilidade aos mixers diminua.

Infelizmente, no que se refere a mixers de volta ao forum, não será mais revertido.

O theymos parece ser uma pessoa legal, já conversou comigo quando eu precisei alterar meu display name e tudo ocorreu numa boa.

Sorry for bumping this thread after several months. I learned about this discussion from this thread: The Calculation of mBTC and Satoshi to USDT (USD)


I never knew that there was a tool like this. It's very simple yet comprehensive.

Maybe having a free signature campaign about this project on the forum will give it more publicity. I guess many people don't know about this helpful tool.

It has exactly everything I need for educational purposes. I have been teaching some people online about Bitcoin, and I will introduce this website to them because it would help them understand Bitcoin units and use converters.

Good work.

I think the common ones are just the Satoshi and the 1:1 btc unit, I’ve come crossed mbtc a couple times though, not even on Electrum now even though Electrum has it as default base unit. I don’t get to use the unit on cold storage either..

Can’t count the number of times I’ve used your calculation tool here aswell . I remembered always confusing the domain with bitcoinscience.data before  .

Understanding the calculation seems interesting but I believe not everybody like all this arithmetic and statistics, and I think you must not know all that to be in the bitcoin space. Honestly to me it’s much easier to use the search engine to find every equivalent of bitcoin unit I’m looking for. That’s what I’ve being doing all this while. However, I like this idea of the bitmover’s tool, I just went through it now and it’s actually listed many other units. Which should help one through what ever unit of bitcoin you’re dealing with I’m just getting to know this tool in particular.

I knew that bitmover has that converter tool but did not remember the link, and when I searched for Bitcoin / satoshi to USD converter, I got some as I shared, which I thought is more than enough.

Your screenshot shared by you shows that bitmover's converter has more units, that can be more helpful for people who need it but I believe most people don't use too many Bitcoin units. I like the site because it has many fiat currencies for the converter rather than many Bitcoin units.

I don't say the other people think like me but I only need three Bitcoin units: satoshi, millibitcoin mBTC and bitcoin. I have never used the other units and even converters, I don't use them. Usually I get Bitcoin price from Binance, and calculate it by myself.

I was about saying that you’re much better off with using tools that coverts it easily. Because OP even made list for just two units of bitcoin while there are lots of other units.

My best converter tool wasn’t even listed here by you. It’s the one developed by bitmover, you have access to almost all units of bitcoin at once and also the price in the currency you so desire and this is way simple in my opinion


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57k to 462k

is good

but maybe a bit short to say it was like the 1k to 19k move

still If we move to 462k quickly we would likely be happy

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We have had those kinds of situations previously.  Bitcoin prices go shooting up, and then HODLers are whining about the severity of the correction, and of course the BTC price rise that followed the March 2020 price correction was quite stupendous, and yeah in recent times (kinda looking at you cAPSLOCK). Think about the correction down to $4k-ish, and then by March 2021, we were at $64k-ish, which is 16x.

Yeah of course, we had quite a bit of correction after that including the summer 2021 that took us down to about $28k before we went to $69k in late 2021 - and then of course, the BIGGER 2022 crash down to $15,479, yet still did not bring us back to pre-2021 prices, even though there was some frustration in 2022 since we spent quite a bit of time below our 2017 high prices (of $19,666)... but yeah, in the end, longer term HODLers have done quite well through all of these periods if they had been ONLY holding, and even if they had been HOLDing and accumulating more (so long as they weren't selling and/or trying to trade).


I can accept some modified price rise that would be lower than 78x, in the ballpark of 20x or maybe even 8x to 19x and then claiming that the price rise was like 2017; however, I consider that claiming that going up $20k to be equivalent (or like the 2017 price run) would be nearly retarded.  Even claiming anything less than 16x to be like 2017, might not be a very fair comparison since our most recent rise from $15.5k to $126k could arguably be characterized as an 8x, and our March 2020 rise from $4k to $64k in March 2021 could be characterized as a 16x price rise.

I hate to be nit-picky, even though I do sometimes feel like nit-picking might help iron to sharpen iron, and for sure, when we are batting around some of these numbers, we might come to realize that there are better ways to frame matters or that our own framing is less than accurate.


Whoaza. I understand that going up $20k from our $126k (such as up to $146k), that could be all that ends up happening in the next year or so, yet at the same time, I doubt that we get anything that could be characterized as a 2017 style run without at least an 8x from the $57,735 bottom (which would be $462k).

I might have to rethink my numbers, yet tentatively speaking, I am not going to accept anyone proclaiming a 2017 style run up with anything less than an 8x from the $57,735 bottom.  From my point of view (tentatively speaking) anything less than that does not qualify as a "2017-like" price run.

Sure, call it whatever you like and even you end up having your face melted off, but if we don't get at least $462k in the next 1-2 years, from my perspective, the price run up would not count as a "2017-like" price run.  I could give less than 2 shits about the substantive numbers and guys making exaggerated BIG deals because the price is up $300k blah blah blah. 

Even though the substantive number give each of us long term HODLers compounding effects that blow the socks off of the beginners, historically, bitcoin has reset itself several times (perhaps every 4 years), and we measure our percentages from the various jumping off points, and the substantive numbers hardly matter any more.  Yeah, sure, of course, the level of the returns have tended to be diminishing, so yeah, we can look at each 4 year cycle and measure that the price rises have not gone up as much whether we are measuring from bottom to top, top to top, bottom to bottom, or using various averages - even though if we look at the 200 WMA, it has ongoingly been plodding upwardly, yet we can even look at the rises in the 200-WMA, every 6 months and see periods in which the 200WMA had only gone up 18.3% annualized, yet those were the lowest rates for any year or 6 month period that we had come accross in bitcoin's history.


I will say that you are more bearish in this description than you were previously, and sure it does not really matter very much, since of course, whenever we are trying to predict the future with specifics, then the outcome can be quite wrong with our particulars, even though directionally, many of us may well end up being correct.. even though sometimes it may well take several years for the noisy periods to work themselves out and for UPpity to be clearly seen, and yeah these days, guys who are calling for sub $40k are seeming to be nutjobs, even though some of them have conceded, and yeah, not all of the bears have conceded that the bottom is likely already in...so there are some bear hold outs, and yeah, they can have fun with their wishes of more downity that may or may not end up happening.

I don’t want to start vouching for DeFi tokens, but if you really want to find a legitimate option, they’re out there.

I wish the price was lower. I didn’t get as many shares as I wanted and now it appears to be off to the races. Same with Bitcoin. I need a black swan event so I can go deep.

Even though her story comes off as contradictory in several ways, it would not necessarily be unrealistic to accumulate bitcoin like a mad woman, and then maybe considering being able to either retire off of your bitcoin in something like a 10-15-ish year timeline or to at least supplement whatever other income sources that might exist (let's say when she is somewhere between 55 years and 60 years.

We know that bitcoin first hit $104k in December 2024 (that would have had been the first time on the way up), and it also hit $104k on the way down in early November 2025. 

Based on the way that individuals receive their extra cashflows, it does tend to have advantages to get in the market earlier rather than later, even though in this case, on the way up there would have potentially been a lot of buying of BTC at higher prices, and of course since November 2025, BTC prices have not gotten close to staying above $100k.

Sometimes a person who is in their 30s or 40s will have built up resources that allow them to stack BTC more aggressively than a younger person, yet maybe we cannot presume anything in particular about this particular lady, except that she wants to stay serious about her bitcoin stacking.

If we presume that the lady is from the west and she has an income of around $60k, and maybe a relatively aggressive accumulating ability, then maybe she could accumulate $300 per week, which would be $15,600 per year and 26% of her income, which is quite aggressive.. .and perhaps a chanenge for any normal person to be able to ongoingly sustain.

Now if we presume that she started accumulating bitcoin earlier (in December 2024) rather than later (November 2025), then perhaps by now she would have had invested $29k an accumulated close to 0.34 BTC.

If we project out 10 years from December 2024, and expect that she might prefer to have an income of $80k per year from her passive income (from bitcoin), then it appears that by December 2034 (when she would be 55 years old), she would need to have right around 2.6 BTC or more to get to that level... so surely she may well have to step up her regular BTC accumulating amount to be able to fully get to that kind of a fuck you status, even though she most likely would be capable of supplementing other sources of income, if she were to keep accumulating in the ballpark of $300 per week (26% of her income).

By the way, if she could wait (and keep stacking BTC at $300 per week-ish) until December 2040 (an additional 4 years), when she would be 61 years old, then if she were to get her BTC stash up to 1.276 BTC, then she may well be able to have enough BTC to start to draw $80k per year income from her BTC stash at that time. 

It does not seem like an unreasonable set of circumstances, even though I am presuming a certain level of ability for such a lady to stay persistent for another 14-ish years into the future... which seems way more difficult as compared with what many of us older timer bitcoiners ended up having to do in order to have been able to get our stashes at fuck you status (if we had been somewhat persistent)... which through the years (and we might not have known it at the time), there had been a lot of advantages in persistently buying bitcoin and holding it and especially not selling it or fucking around with trying to trade it before reaching a decently reasonably good-sized stack.

Sometimes we can see retroactively what might have had been difficult to see while it was happening, in the past 8-14 years.


Yep.  Sad.


True Dat.

When you have a decent lower average cost per BTC, it is not as BIG of a deal to shave some off when the already existing built in profits are in the ballpark of 75x to 95x.. ..

and, yeah, part of the difficulty is getting to such levels of profits that the cushion is so great that maybe not as much though is going into the level of the bitcoin profits, but instead, questions about the extent to which there is enough bitcoin in the stash to justify spending it at any price.

I think that any costs below $10k is currently a pretty good place to be, yet of course, 85x profits is better than 8.5x profits, yet itI recall that in 2018 through 2020, when BTC prices were bouncing around between $4k and $10k, I felt way better when BTC prices were above $5k as compared to when they were not... and even at that time, I felt that if I had needed to shave off some bitcoin, I would have had done it, but there was some additional comfort in knowing that there was no need to rush any bitcoin sales and to largely just let it continue to ride.

So now if BTC prices are tending to bounce between $65k and $87k, the cushion seems so much greater, and there should not be very much hesitancy to shave off a bit of coin. .. even though sometimes we also might want to try to be a bit measured in how we are shaving some of our coins.. which then boils more down to questions about the extent that we have enough or more than enough bitcoin as compared with questions about the extent to which our coins are in profits.

I know that the concepts of profits and how many coins we have are related concepts, since greater levels of profits require way fewer originally bought coins in order to reach the same value as coins that are in less profits but they amount to larger quantities of coins accumulated through the years. 

I frequently suggest to both newbies and those who seem to be in the process of coin accumulation, to concentrate their efforts on coin accumulation rather than trying to strategize around profits, since it seems that historically with bitcoin (and likely to continue into the future), as long as coin accumulation is healthy, then profits will work themselves out.

Financial freedom with enough features bitcoin is having things which were never been possible while his existence was also always questionable but now its bringing more flexibility in lives because peoples are accumulating for future and feeling good because its going to be have good changes for them in long run just need scheduled your all strategy and then enter for having benefits which are increasing after every day.

Never compromise on anything because it's going to be a serious threat for you and your financial freedom, which is currently most important for you and your beloved one's DCA, which is surely currently one of the best, but still anyone can do anything for his own flexibility because it's always better to stay in your comfortable zone instead of doing anything that is not easy for you.

Buying bitcoin regularly and gradually with time is very good for accumulation and building up our bitcoin portfolios but it's possible for us to withdraw our profit from Bitcoin portfolios gradually with time too. Surely buying needs to be done more regularly than withdrawals over time.

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Mas, parte dessas mudanças, não fui fruto de decretos de lei?

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Bro, I quickly checked if he has added a future valuation calculation feature too. When you said what to expect in the future!

While it is still the same, entering old data to see what we could have made, but I don't really think we should use this to find out the future move of BTC and profits we can make. Because the future is going to be completely different. I did not use this template because I did not know it existed haha. I think they introduced it recently. Like, I have my own spreadsheet from 2024, and since then I have not changed it, just using it and adding, modifying it with time. But this template spreadsheet seems really good.

I also want to avoid anything that I have to download.

You can plug your target income level into the fuck you status tool and you can see that if you project out 10 years, you will need 2.5x more bitcoin if you are considering that you can ONLY employ a 4% withdrawal rate as compared with if you are considering that you could employ a 10% withdrawal rate.    Of course, you have to consider a withdrawal rate that is reasonable, and I am very much a fan of sustainable withdrawal (meaning that it can be done forever) versus a kind of withdrawal that depletes the principle, unless there is a purposeful reason for depleting the principle, such as age and/or health.

So, surely the withdrawal rate is sustainable so long as on average the bitcoin holdings is growing faster than the withdrawal rate.   The historical backlogs in the sustainable withdrawal tool shows that quite aggressive withdrawal rates of greater than 10% per year could have had been employed and still the bitcoin holdings would grow faster than it was being withdrawn - especially if the bitcoin holdings were valued using the 200-WMA and the withdrawals were being done based on the dollar target.

From my point of view, guys can make mistakes by wrongly valuating their holdings (getting overly excited about spot price) and then ending up withdrawing too much too soon based on their presumptions that spot prices are sustainable and really the 200-WMA tends to be more sustainable since it is considered a bottom price, so therefore the 200-WMA tends to move around a lot less.. and also ongoingly tends to go up (at least so far in bitcoin's history).

If we use the default annual income of $80k in the fuck you status tool, then we can see that in June 2020, it would have had taken 135.5 BTC to support that $80k annual income level, in December 2023, it would have had taken 27.5 BTC, in June 2025, it would have had taken 16.7 BTC, and currently the December 2026 projection is that it will ONLY take 11.4 BTC to support that same annual income of $80k.

Of course, we can use the fuck you status tool to project forward based on presumptions of how much the 200-WMA will continue to grow, and see how many bitcoin it would be considered to take at various points in time in the future to sustain that same income level of $80k per year, yet we an also use the simulation tool within the sustainable withdrawal tool to backtest what would have had been our withdrawal amounts and to see what would have had happened to our bitcoin stash size if we had withdrawn at that $80k per year rate.  

You can put the numbers in at any date and see that high rates of withdrawn (such as 10% or more per year of the 200-WMA valuation) would have had been supported as long as you were valuating your holdings based on the 200-WMA and then withdrawing from your holdings based the dollar value to sustain your target income level.  

So, just plug in the numbers. for example, if you had 100 BTC in January 2021, the 200WMA would have had valued your portfolio at $780k at that time, and if you put the withdrawal rate of 10% into the simulator based on the 200WMA value, then it would have had started out withdrawing at  $78k per year, and if you had continued to withdraw at 10% of the 200 WMA valuation, between January 2021 and now you would have had withdrawn 28.42 BTC which would have had been $1.474 million dollars, which really ended up being an average of $246k per year.. but even with that withdrawal rate, you would still have 71.6 BTC right now.  

The simulator is surely not perfect since it did not account for a constant $80k per year withdrawal, but instead withdrew the quantity of dollars based on 10% of the 200WMA valuation, and since the 200-WMA continued to go up way greater than the targeted withdrawal rate of $80k per year (perhaps with a 7% per year increase in the dollar withdrawal rate), the annual withdrawal amount ended up being way higher than the targeted $80k per year rate.

Of course when we are looking at how many bitcoin that we need right now to withdraw at a certain rate, it might seem impossible to reach that amount of BTC, but surely once we reach the needed level in accordance with valuating at the 200-WMA amounts, it seems quite likely that we can withdraw at decently high rates (such as 10% or more) as long as we are valuating our stash based on the 200-WMA rather than the all over the place movements of the spot price, even though when we are withdrawing from our holdings we are receiving spot prices for the amount of BTC that we end up selling which should end up preserving our bitcoin stash since we tend to have to withdraw fewer bitcoin in order to reach our target dollar amount of withdrawal (such as $80k per year in the example).

I also think that both the back models and even the likely future projections of BTC allows a 10% per year withdrawal (based on the 200-WMA valuation), but also an ability to give yourself a 7% per year raise in the dollar withdrawal rate amount each year, so once withdrawals begin for the $80k per year guy, then the second year his withdrawal amount would be $85.6k and then the third year the withdrawal amount would be $91.6k and the fourth year the withdrawal amount would be $98k.. etc etc etc.

Of course, there can be ongoing monitoring of the value of the bitcoin at the 200-WMA valuation to make sure that the withdrawal amounts continue to be sustainable and that the withdrawal amounts are not overly depleting the BTC holdings.

You can plug your target income level into the fuck you status tool and you can see that if you project out 10 years, you will need 2.5x more bitcoin if you are considering that you can ONLY employ a 4% withdrawal rate as compared with if you are considering that you could employ a 10% withdrawal rate.    Of course, you have to consider a withdrawal rate that is reasonable, and I am very much a fan of sustainable withdrawal (meaning that it can be done forever) versus a kind of withdrawal that depletes the principle, unless there is a purposeful reason for depleting the principle, such as age and/or health.

So, surely the withdrawal rate is sustainable so long as on average the bitcoin holdings is growing faster than the withdrawal rate.   The historical backlogs in the sustainable withdrawal tool shows that quite aggressive withdrawal rates of greater than 10% per year could have had been employed and still the bitcoin holdings would grow faster than it was being withdrawn - especially if the bitcoin holdings were valued using the 200-WMA and the withdrawals were being done based on the dollar target.

From my point of view, guys can make mistakes by wrongly valuating their holdings (getting overly excited about spot price) and then ending up withdrawing too much too soon based on their presumptions that spot prices are sustainable and really the 200-WMA tends to be more sustainable since it is considered a bottom price, so therefore the 200-WMA tends to move around a lot less.. and also ongoingly tends to go up (at least so far in bitcoin's history).

If we use the default annual income of $80k in the fuck you status tool, then we can see that in June 2020, it would have had taken 135.5 BTC to support that $80k annual income level, in December 2023, it would have had taken 27.5 BTC, in June 2025, it would have had taken 16.7 BTC, and currently the December 2026 projection is that it will ONLY take 11.4 BTC to support that same annual income of $80k.

Of course, we can use the fuck you status tool to project forward based on presumptions of how much the 200-WMA will continue to grow, and see how many bitcoin it would be considered to take at various points in time in the future to sustain that same income level of $80k per year, yet we an also use the simulation tool within the sustainable withdrawal tool to backtest what would have had been our withdrawal amounts and to see what would have had happened to our bitcoin stash size if we had withdrawn at that $80k per year rate. 

You can put the numbers in at any date and see that high rates of withdrawn (such as 10% or more per year of the 200-WMA valuation) would have had been supported as long as you were valuating your holdings based on the 200-WMA and then withdrawing from your holdings based the dollar value to sustain your target income level. 

So, just plug in the numbers. for example, if you had 100 BTC in January 2021, the 200WMA would have had valued your portfolio at $780k at that time, and if you put the withdrawal rate of 10% into the simulator based on the 200WMA value, then it would have had started out withdrawing at  $78k per year, and if you had continued to withdraw at 10% of the 200 WMA valuation, between January 2021 and now you would have had withdrawn 28.42 BTC which would have had been $1.474 million dollars, which really ended up being an average of $246k per year.. but even with that withdrawal rate, you would still have 71.6 BTC right now. 

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Of course when we are looking at how many bitcoin that we need right now to withdraw at a certain rate, it might seem impossible to reach, but surely once we reach the needed level, it seems quite likely that we can withdraw at decently high rates as long as we are valuating our stash based on the 200-WMA rather than the all over the place movements of the spot price, even though when we are withdrawing from our holdings we are withdrawing at the spot price which should end up preserving our bitcoin stash since we tend to have to withdraw fewer bitcoin in order to reach our target dollar amount of withdrawal.

I also think that both the back models and even the likely future projections of BTC allows a 10% per year withdrawal (based on the 200-WMA valuation), but also an ability to give yourself a 7% per year raise in the dollar withdrawal rate amount, so once withdrawals begin for the $80k per year guy, then the second year his withdrawal amount would be $85.6k and then the third year the withdrawal amount would be $91.6k and the fourth year the withdrawal amount would be $98k.. etc etc etc.

Of course, there can be ongoing monitoring of the value of the bitcoin at the 200-WMA valuation to make sure that the withdrawal amounts continue to be sustainable.

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     1. 35: theymos (Trust: +29 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (58) 15148 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. 11425: gmaxwell (Trust: +13 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (18) 10544 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. 33156: vapourminer (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 5856 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. 51173: mprep (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 1772 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. 55384: Foxpup (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 2810 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. 64507: philipma1957 (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (21) 11518 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. 78147: Cyrus (Trust: +21 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (25) 2904 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. 84521: Welsh (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (23) 3690 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. 84866: ibminer (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (14) 2867 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. 97582: joker_josue (Trust: +8 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (9) 7015 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. 112493: Pmalek (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 9072 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. 113670: Mitchell (Trust: +44 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (21) 2342 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. 123824: albon (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 2211 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. 131333: wwzsocki (Trust: +14 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (0) 1529 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. 137185: jeremypwr (Trust: +56 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (16) 6291 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. 140582: gbianchi (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 2667 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. 140584: EFS (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (6) 2214 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. 145841: Swordsoffreedom (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 234 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. 164822: hilariousandco (Trust: +27 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (30) 1957 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. 189967: buckrogers (Trust: +29 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 209 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. 204821: Buchi-88 (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 2392 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. 206143: Lesbian Cow (Trust: +42 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 758 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. 216582: willi9974 (Trust: +48 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 2990 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. 252510: JayJuanGee (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (19) 14034 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. 257071: NeuroticFish (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 6280 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. 290195: achow101 (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 6823 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. 300014: DaveF (Trust: +29 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (16) 7056 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. 314792: examplens (Trust: +10 / =5 / -0) (DT1! (25) 4006 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. 317618: nutildah (Trust: +19 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (28) 10944 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. 350580: irfan_pak10 (Trust: +14 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (3) 787 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    31. 355846: yahoo62278 (Trust: +42 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (26) 4531 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    32. 364070: bitbollo (Trust: +18 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 4077 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    33. 379147: pooya87 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 11571 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    34. 379487: LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (23) 12317 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    35. 395806: o_solo_miner (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 542 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    36. 405464: mocacinno (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 4541 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    37. 405482: Real-Duke (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 2966 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    38. 407174: klarki (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (4) 4768 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    39. 459836: LoyceV (Trust: +33 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (60) 21792 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    40. 521899: SFR10 (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 3169 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    41. 533583: Lucius (Trust:  neutral) (DT1! (2) 6814 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    42. 557798: TryNinja (Trust: +11 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (11) 10651 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    43. 754818: holydarkness (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (13) 1430 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    44. 805820: Lafu (Trust: +18 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (18) 4123 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    45. 807453: Cointxz (Trust: +6 / =7 / -0) (DT1! (0) 841 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    46. 839568: AakZaki (Trust: +9 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (5) 2304 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    47. 889300: giammangiato (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1536 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    48. 901859: buwaytress (Trust: +27 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 4017 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    49. 914465: crwth (Trust: +3 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (1) 1375 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    50. 932931: Ale88 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 3755 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    51. 949248: Kryptowerk (Trust: +44 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1350 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    52. 995810: hosemary (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 7090 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    53. 1016855: JollyGood (Trust: +18 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (19) 2083 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    54. 1045971: igebotz (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (11) 2364 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    55. 1051955: roycilik (Trust: +11 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (2) 1908 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    56. 1052091: CryptopreneurBrainboss (Trust: +17 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (14) 5197 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    57. 1059082: hugeblack (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 4698 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    58. 1097370: KTChampions (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 2388 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    59. 1137579: icopress (Trust: +89 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (40) 13468 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    60. 1179651: sheenshane (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 1172 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    61. 1247226: logfiles (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (12) 2415 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    62. 1269497: Bitcoin_Arena (Trust: +2 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (6) 2120 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    63. 1285797: GazetaBitcoin (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (19) 10225 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    64. 1424178: mole0815 (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 3702 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    65. 1554927: bitmover (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 7777 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    66. 1724800: Lakai01 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 4349 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    67. 1825672: morvillz7z (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 2224 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    68. 1852120: fillippone (Trust: +11 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (19) 21519 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    69. 1862043: cryptofrka (Trust: +19 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 3256 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    70. 1878246: abhiseshakana (Trust: +2 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (1) 2645 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    71. 1980983: The Cryptovator (Trust: +21 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (23) 2621 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    72. 1982152: lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +27 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (27) 5868 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    73. 2003859: DireWolfM14 (Trust: +22 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (23) 5873 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    74. 2015418: notblox1 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 1664 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    75. 2344286: Little Mouse (Trust: +51 / =2 / -1) (DT1! (4) 3830 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    76. 2477002: inspace (Trust: +5 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1753 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    77. 2519096: Awaklara (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 862 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    78. 2597426: efialtis (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1591 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    79. 2652924: geophphreigh (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1146 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    80. 2654005: zasad@ (Trust: +3 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (8) 5839 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    81. 2658890: Rikafip (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (24) 8399 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    82. 2709122: Etranger (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1892 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    83. 2739424: NotATether (Trust: +8 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (9) 10341 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    84. 2739454: Stalker22 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 1659 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    85. 2744352: bullrun2024bro (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (9) 5396 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    86. 2745549: decodx (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 1000 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    87. 2776678: Charles-Tim (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 6561 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    88. 2796662: Lillominato89 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1305 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    89. 2836461: Free Market Capitalist (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (14) 3663 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    90. 3442536: AHOYBRAUSE (Trust: +2 / =4 / -0) (DT1! (6) 2047 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    91. 3442614: YodasRedRocket (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 651 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    92. 3486361: PowerGlove (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 7322 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    93. 3519432: SirJohnVonSlotty (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1082 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    94. 3558380: Mia Chloe (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 2300 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)

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     1. 3: satoshi (Trust: +39 / =0 / -0) (8901 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. 4: sirius (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (935 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. 1268: nanotube (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. 2676: casascius (Trust: +6 / =0 / -1) (193 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. 2759: midnightmagic (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (27 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. 2786: Pieter Wuille (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (203 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. 3380: Vladimir (Trust:  neutral) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. 3420: dooglus (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (335 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. 4171: Raize (Trust:  neutral) (24 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. 4528: Matt Corallo (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (15 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. 6347: Maged (Trust:  neutral) (17 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. 6447: forrestv (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (143 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. 7351: EPiSKiNG (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. 10354: JJG (Trust:  neutral) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Como eu disse, eu acho que essas já estão aprovadas, pois realmente não faz sentido. E se houvesse algum problema, elas estariam falando de alguma maneira na midia ou redes sociais. Provavelmente o BC já aprovou e está só divulgando quem está analisando ainda.

O que eu acho curioso é a foxbit e a mercadobitcoin, as mais conhecidas, nao ter sido pioneiras no processo. Quando olho os nomes do post do Pumared nunca nem cheguei a fazer cadastro em nenhuma daqueles CNPJ.

Which even goes to prove my point even more, bitcoin accumulation works are a means of building wealth, it has done that consistently since it first became a thing all those years ago and every expert speculation points to it doing even better in the near future.
It's human to want to doubt something but the more proof that is available to debunk those doubts the better and bitcoin has more than enough proofs you have clearly just pointed out.

You don't need to ask any whales about that.
It's easy and possible to use DCA tools for checking DCA results if you do that in previous years till now.
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DCA for accumulation and investment with purchases and holding but surely investors will have to take profit.
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• Maraming mga baguhan ang paulit-ulit na nagtatanong, kaya mayroong thread na ito, sa Beginners & Help board para matulungan silang mahanap ang pinakamadaling Q&A, kahit hindi na magtanong
• Sana makatulong ang thread na ito para mabawasan ang mga tanong, kahit papaano makatulong.
• Alam kong ang ilan sa mga baguhan ay walang pakialam sa thread na ito, pero hayaan na lang natin sila.
• Ang thread na ito ay ginagawa pa rin at hindi pa kumpleto sa ngayon.
• Ito ay pansamantalang isasara para maiwasan ang spam. I-unlock lang ito pag ito ay tapos na.

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Bitcoin Spot ETF Trackers

Ridiculous!  Why should you assume that bots are chaotic? It doesn't make sense. You are probably watching too much film tricks and that's tricking you. Anyway these fees are low according to my expectations.

Of course, there are various explanations already in the tool, yet sometimes a tool like this might not make very much sense until you play around with it and potentially try to put it to use or to try to apply the table to your situation, including your own anticipations regarding what standard of living you are wanting to target.  Prior to 2020, I would frequently use $40k per year as the the default target income, and after 2020, I started to use $80k per year.

And of course, the targets may well even need to change based on the ongoing debasement of the dollar and other fiat currencies.

Previously, I had been tending to cite my fuck you status projection table, but now this table that bitmover created automatically updates itself every 6-ish months, it has both the tables and the charts ways to look at the data, and you can project the price or the quantity of the coins needed while using either a fixed 30% coin premium (presuming the BTC price to tend to be 30% above the 200-WMA) or the cycling of the premium up and down, and like bitmover mentioned you can plug in your own numbers and even how far you would like to project into the future (I tend to like to look out 70 years, yet of course the shorter time frames are going to be more applicable if you are trying to predict how many coins you will need to have within certain timelines in order to achieve certain levels of income from the coins).

The 4% withdrawal rate is based on traditional assets and traditional withdrawal modeling tools. The presumption of a $80k per year budget would require $2 million in assets, so then each year 4% would be withdrawn, and if the asset is growing on average of 4% or more, then the assets would be growing faster than the withdrawal rate. 

I think that even with traditional assets there can be challenges in figuring out how to valuate them?  At spot price or some average or some variation of spot price?  Of course, when the coins are sold, they are sold at spot price.  For each of these models the quantity of coins needed is modeled off of the 200-WMA, which tends to be a bottom price.

I tend to believe that bitcoin can support a 10% withdrawal rate, especially if the value of the is being done based on the 200-WMA rather than the BTC spot price, and so actually selling at spot price will tend to give a cushion, as long as the BTC price is at least 25% higher than spot price, which my sustainable withdrawal tool should be helpful in showing those calculations.

I got a couple more ideas for the tool:

1) probably it would be good to have a "share link" that would allow the sharing of the user inputs

2) probably the DCA calculating tool should be linked in this thread

Thanks again bitmover.  It is nice to see this tool go live, and to be able to play around with it should be helpful to guys... even though I am going to start to link to this tool (whenever referring to fuck you status) rather than my own table that historically has spent quite a bit of time being "out of date".

Well, the new tool from Bitmover gives you an idea of what to expect in the future if you DCA, as you can see it calculates and shows you how DCA is effective. It's a good tool to those who can't do manual calculations.

To me, I am using the spreadsheet template from Coingecko; it requires an API, but if you are just tracking BTC, it won't hit your limit.
More templates from here: https://www.coingecko.com/en/api/templates


We just want to avoid any random apps nowadays because when they see the BTC price pumping, many scammers pop up around to look for victims. New apps like this are risky; we do not know what is behind the app.

Yeah thanks mate I've got it now. I just got confused where was my bets because I could see it anywhere and it seems like it disappear from the platform luckily I've seen your post here and you are seeing "My Bets" Tab.

Im just new on the platform I'm still getting use to it now, I lose my first bet on Sportbetting I was just betting on Dota 2 games it seems fun because I also play as well, but got my first win yesterday not bad.



Gonna more rounds today and I'm already getting a feel to it,  Goodluck!

This is what I really like about DCA, since it eliminate the disturbing situation and what people need to deal with it is to be consistent with their accumulation.

No losing with DCA not unless they decide to liquidate. Common losses will occur with day traders because they are dealing with fast phase or changes and hard to deal with this situation, especially if they are not sure what's going to happen next on Bitcoin.

@bitmover creates a tool which can help people on their DCA journey better check this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5594323.msg67149688#msg67149688