Of course not.  It is likely too difficult for you.  And, in any case you are not genuinely trying to engage on the topic.


I am glad that you supposedly like my sustainable withdrawal ideas.  They are not contrary to anything that I am proclaiming in regards to getting to overaccumulation status prior to employing any selling techniques.  Once guys have reached overaccumulation status, then they have more options in terms of how to mange their bitcoin whether it is just maintaining the stash or even entering into some form of sustainable withdrawal practices..

I don't recommend selling BTC in order to accumulate more bitcoin, even though selling can work once we have already reached overaccumulation status, which then selling could serve as a form of downside protection or just a way to live off of ones bitcoin by drawing a regular income from it..

I consider that there are two types of sustainable withdrawal. One is price-based and the other is time-based.

I suspect that it is easy to employ price-based sustainable withdrawal, so in that sense it makes sense that price-based sustainable withdrawal might be reachable before time based sustainable withdrawal.  My sustainable withdrawal thread refers to both of the sustainable withdrawal styles.

My ideas about overaccumulation status have changed since 2015, so I am surely ongoingly flexible to different interpretations in regards to what levels of bitcoin accumulation might end up constituting overaccumulation status.

I could give examples, even though you surely don't seem interested in any genuine discussion but instead seeming to want to interpret my sustainable withdrawal ideas as if they were trading bitcoin or something like that (when they are not) and/or as if those sustainable withdrawal strategies were some variation of the same thing that you are doing, which truly does not seem to be the case since you seem to be a bit of a degenerate gambler... including a bit of a know it all attitude thrown in for a bonus without any system except to proclaim that you can feel where there might be tops and/or bottoms, and of course currently latching onto the four year cycle theory to support that your trading approach is a smart one..


That is good.

I probably own around the same amount... maybe it depends on the date in 2018.. I am not sure off the top of my head, I would have to look.

By the way, once a person reaches or gets into overaccumulation status, they do not need to continue to accumulate more bitcoin.  The idea of over accumulation means that more than enough bitcoin had already been accumulated, so the amounts of bitcoin that are above and beyond any kind of a bitcoin target can be sold off.  

I could give some examples that would be based on income levels, yet I don't really seem to need to do so, since you are not really interested in that part, you are largely just interested in trying to play gotcha and to show how much smarter you are because you are still accumulating bitcoin. I am not sure if still accumulating bitcoin is a good place to be, but you are at where you are at.

It seems to me that when a person is still in their bitcoin accumulation stage, then surely it would make sense for that person to still be continuously trying to own more bitcoin as the years pass.

Initially, I had determined that I had reached over accumulation status in 2015, yet I did still grow in my bitcoin in 2016 and early 2017, then I had to reassess my bitcoin stash around early 2017.  I was mostly just employing price based maintenance in 2017 through 2020-ish, and really I did not really figure out my time-based sustainable withdrawal until 2021 or 2022, even though I had ideas around time-based sustainable withdrawal they seem to become more solid in 2021 and 2022, especially when I gravitated more towards using the 200-WMA as my bitcoin valuation measure.

Are you wanting to compete with me or to compare yourself to me in terms of accumulation or maintenance or even liquidation?

Of course, you don't want to work with some of my earlier examples that show a person getting to overaccumulation status earlier in his bitcoin journey would help to provide more options, so you likely don't even agree on the framework for such a discussion..
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Since you came to bitcoin in 2011, you could have had gotten to overaccumulation status in those first few years that you were in you were in bitcoin, but then it seems to me that you had admitted to screwing up and to even be still in your bitcoin accumulation stage.  

Of course, I had given an alternative scenario in which you could have had started to get serious about your bitcoin accumulation in early 2018  (which would have been around 6.5 years after you had already been registered on the forum) and then been able to get close to over accumulation status by the end of 2020 if you had focused on bitcoin accumulation during that 3-ish years period.

Of course, mine are just examples of some form of focus on bitcoin accumulation rather than trading (or gambling), so now you are wanting to proclaim that your trading of BTC strategy would have had beaten strategies that focus on bitcoin accumulation through buying and holding? I surely have my doubts about those kinds of claims even though you might want to make them and to make up your facts to support how you had beaten a strict BTC accumulation through buying strategy (and hold strategy), too.


I am not still in my accumulation stage, so I probably won't own more BTC at the end of the year.  I am not really sure.  At this point in my BTC journey, I don't need to hold more BTC.  It does not matter how many BTC I own now as compared to the end of the year since I have enough and more than enough BTC so that I don't have to trade BTC in order to try to accomplish anything.

It is funny how frequently I run accross forum members who don't seem to understand that even if they had accumulated a certain quantity of BTC, at some point they might not need to continue to accumulate more BTC, and the BTC that they had already accumulated will ongoingly support higher and higher levels of withdrawal (in dollar terms) as time passes, especially if the 200-WMA is used as the way to valuate the stash (since the 200-WMA has so far continued to go up).  

I proclaim that I have never been involved in trading bitcoin, even though I have employed both types of sustainable withdrawal strategies.. price based and time based, which means that when I sell any BTC, I do not sell it with any intention to buy it back cheaper or that I need to buy it back cheaper, so for example with price based sustainable withdrawal if a person sells somewhere less than 10% of his holdings for every time that the price doubles, then 40% of the stash is still getting carried over and compounding upon itself. In my price based sustainable withdrawal, I think that I am selling somewhere around 3% of my stash size for every time the BTC price doubles... so the rate is pretty low, which means that 47% of the stash continues to roll over and compound upon itself.


Once you reach overaccumulation status you don't need to keep accumulating bitcoin and you can sell BTC on a regular basis, either price-based and/or time-based, even though you still would have to figure out your numbers so that you don't sell too much too soon.

I have already structured my finances where i can sell BTC with either the price based or the time based sustainable withdrawal, and I don't want to change the system that I already have in place with variations of the price based sustainable withdrawal being employed since 2015, and perhaps the time-based sustainable withdrawal was not systematically employed until 2022 - even though there were some variations of my employing it prior to 2022.  Sometimes I have considered if there might be more ways for me to spend more money.

I will say that I do have sources of income besides bitcoin, and my bitcoin sales have been relatively modest in recent years, even though I have a few accounts that are kind of locked into time-based sustainable withdrawal since about 2022, yet they are selling lower amounts of BTC than what they could be authorized to sell... so there is quite a bit of more room for additional sales if I were to choose to go down that road..

Since I base my time-based sustainable withdrawal valuations of the BTC on the 200-WMA (which is currently at $57,600), so my time based sustainable withdrawal system allows for full withdrawal as long as the BTC price is at least 25% higher than the 200-WMA, and then it reduces the withdrawal amounts if the BTC spot price goes lower than 25% higher than the 200-WMA.    Right now the spot price is about 55% higher than the 200-WMA.

Of course, there is a presumption of already being within overaccumulation status to employ something like time-based sustainable withdrawal, and I think that up to 10% of the 200-WMA dollar value of the holdings could be authorized and sustainable with a 7% increase in the dollar value of the withdrawal each year, yet there are guys who are concerned that such a high rate of withdrawal (including increasing the dollar amount by 7% each year) would overly deplete the funds, yet I don't think so, even though I am not opposed to the employment of lower withdrawal rates based on concerns about over depletion of the funds.

Also a person could have a higher amount of BTC.  So for example right now if a person wanted to have start an $80k  per year withdrawal rate with a 7% increase each year, then the minimum amount of Bitcoin (the threshold amount) would need to be at least 13.8936 BTC, and surely it could be better to have a bit more, such as even 1 BTC more if a person wanted to withdraw the whole first year from the start rather than withdrawing on a monthly basis.


You are delusional.

If you get to overaccumulation status with the quantity of your bitcoin holdings, then you have options that include shaving off from the overaccumulation amount, yet if you want to stay in overaccumulation status, you should never withdraw so much BTC that the withdraw amount would knock you out of overaccumulation status.

If you are still accumulating BTC, then you have not made it to such overaccumulation status, and so I never suggest that it is a good idea to sell BTC in order to accumulate more BTC. That would be a bad practice and even a form of gambling since it employs luck rather than ongoing accumulation through ongoing buying, yet once you have reached overaccumulation status then you can sell from the excess BTC that you have.

Do you need an example?  

I just gave the example of having a desire to start to withdraw $80k per year requiring at least 13.8936 BTC.. Yet if a person had 18.8936 BTC, then he would have 5 BTC extra or his overaccumulation level would be 5 BTC... so he has extra 5 BTC that gives him a cushion as long as his annual withdrawal rate stays at $80k per year with the 7% increase each year.  If he changes his target number then his calculations change.

Of course you don't need any example since you are not even trying to engage in any kind of a meaningful discussion regarding what might constitute accumulation stage and getting through that BTC accumulation stage, then perhaps after getting through accumulation stage then guys might spend some time in their maintenance stage, an then after their maintenance stage, they would be in liquidation phase (which includes the employment of various sustainable withdrawal practices - even though price based sustainable withdrawal could probably start to be employed during maintenance stage).  

Surely the stages could overlap and maybe you are not sure which stage you are in, yet you talk about your being in accumulating bitcoin as if you are still in your BTC accumulation phase, and you might not have even made it to your maintenance stage yet.  Maybe you can clarify if it is something else?  Yet it could be true that you are not sure what stage you are in, and maybe you are in your maintenance stage, even though through your post you seem to be prioritizing continuing to accumulate more BTC as if that is a priority for you.  You are the best person to figure out which stage you happen to be in or even if you consider the stage as overlapping.

Perhaps also you have not even figured out how many bitcoin that you need in order to get to overaccumulation status, and I won't necessarily hold that against you, even though I do hold your lecturing about trading being preferential against you.  

Yet if you are still in a stage that you are still mostly trying to accumulate bitcoin, then it seems to be what you are saying that you are trying to do, then you might not be ready for maintenance stage or even for the ideas of liquidation stage.

At the same time, I had been criticizing you for bragging about supposedly working on and focusing on bitcoin accumulating when there could have been (and should have had been) a lot of ways that you could have had already reached overaccumulation status, yet you had been ongoingly bragging about the supposed ways that you were supposedly killing it in your bitcoin accumulation, even though from what you are saying it seems that you had not yet reached anything close to overaccumulation status (whether you know what that is or not might be another question.. there are some folks that believe that there is no limitation in regards to what they want.. so then they might be forcing themselves to always be in accumulation stage..  

I think that my example of focusing on accumulation between 2018 to 2020 could have had been a decently good time to reach some variation of overaccumulation status, even if you had already screwed up in 2017 by selling too many bitcoin too soon as you seemed to have had mentioned previously, but  maybe not realizing your mistake of selling too much BTC too soon until the BTC price had run up to $19,666 in late 2017.

Whether or not we should be arguing about these points, I do still stand by my earlier points that focusing on accumulation through buying only and holding is a better strategy for guys in their earlier years, and trading is not a good way to accumulate bitcoin, including that selling is not a good way to accumulate bitcoin.  

It seems to me that the better way to accumulate bitcoin is to focus on ongoing, persistent, consistent, regular and perhaps even aggressive buying only for at least for one or two cycles and maybe even until reaching overaccumulation status.

You seem to be arguing otherwise. You seem to be arguing that it is good to accumulate bitcoin through trading and selling, and maybe you are even arguing that guys should be accumulating bitcoin for their whole life, which truly does not seem necessary, from my point of view.

To me it seems that selling with an expectation of buying back cheaper puts too much risk and luck into the accumulation of bitcoin formula.. which does not have good chances of working out for an overwhelming majority of normies.

Perhaps there could have had been a decently good trade if someone were to have had sold around the $126k top and bought at around the so far $80k bottom.  Yet for some strange reason, I have my doubts about your either having had sold at the top or to have had bought back in at the so far bottom, since at one point you said that you were waiting for something like $40ks, but then at various later times you moved off of that, and you have a back up position to say that you are just going to spread out your BTC buy backs on around a monthly basis over the next year-ish and perhaps even longer than that.

Sure, it is possible that your trade ends up working out for you, even if you didn't sell as high as you proclaim ur lil selfie to have had sold and you do not end up buying back at whatever low ends up coming from our current correction situation that you continue to imply has already pivoted dee cornz into a supposed bear market.

So, sure, maybe you ended up getting it correct this time, even though i have a lot of doubts about your getting it right (if that were to actually end up happening is going to make up for your historical screw ups over the past nearly 15 years that you could have had built up a sufficiently large bitcoin stash so that you would not have to be fucking around trying to trade, yet instead you fucked up so many times over the years, and you still seem to be unable to attribute your own smarter than everyone else perspective to the reason why you are having to fuck around trying to trade in the first place. 

If a guy were to have average bitcoin prices below $500 per coin (which you should have had been able to easily achieve), then why the fuck should such a guy give too many shits if his stash happens to be ONLY 160x (representing an $80k price) in profits rather than 240x (representing a $120k price) in profits? 

Ongoingly, when you are denigrating guys for largely HODLing their bitcoin and even continuing to accumulate bitcoin at any price, you seem to be missing the power of compounding that becomes difficult for BTC traders to achieve, since the BTC traders ongoingly end up selling way too many coins too soon and unable to buy back as many coins as they would have had (or could have had) if they had developed an investor mentality rather than letting their degenerate tendencies to gamble to rule their thoughts and practices around dee cornz.


There are so many guys like OgNasty who have been in bitcoin a long time, yet they ongoingly fail and refuse to learn a lesson about their trying to trade bitcoin that has cost them a lot over the years, yet they ongoingly and delusionally continue to proclaim that their trading has benefitted them more than it has cost them, and OgNasty himself fails to appreciate how he fucked his own situation in the 2017 price run by selling way too much too soon, but then he keeps on fucking around trying to trade, which he probably could be multiples (if not magnitudes) richer if he had never gone down the trading path or at least corrected his ways after his 2017 fuck ups.

OgNasty is too busy trying to argue how much smarter he is than others rather than to really recognize and appreciate the power of actual investing into bitcoin and the power of compounding value that has come to guys who came to bitcoin and who had errored on the side of mostly (if not exclusively?) buying and holding.

Thanks for the advice, I will work on building trust and a good reputation, and definitely try the compaigns.
Much appreciated for the help.

This happens every day; some team at the top of the table loses to the team at the bottom of the table. And it's part of the game. I see this weekly in the Brazilian and Portuguese leagues. I'm not even surprised anymore.



Please update the status of everything here when it's finished. It's important to have these updates, both for us and for future users who choose Winna. You'll see that the problem is resolved and that they respond when the user is correct.

One benefit of keeping your coins on custodial services like Binance is that the exchange is responsible for safety of your coins. In case your coins are in self custody then there is no way to recover them in case the coins are lost due to any reason. Having said that there are also issues associated with custodial services like they can confiscate your coins at any time due to any reason like if you violate there terms and conditions. If you know how to secure your coins in self custody then they will remain under your custody as long as you want.     

But still, that's not a good reason for someone to have their Bitcoin on an exchange, for safety purposes against kidnapping, or physical attack.

To me, that makes it worse on the person's side, in the sense that, he can be forced to disclose the logins of his crypto exchange password when kidnapped, which he will surely do for the kidnappers to have full access to his Bitcoin on the exchange. But in the situation he is in, self-custody of his Bitcoin, he will have his seed phrase in a hidden place, which I know he didn't memorize or have with him. That act alone would make it hard for kidnappers to get access to his Bitcoin.

That being said, your friend doesn't know the dangers of having their Bitcoin on an exchange. He should have a rethink now, as it is early, before what he is afraid happens to him, because I see it as an easy way for someone to steal away his Bitcoin from the crypto exchange.

If he is holding coins on exchanges, he can still be kidnapped. With wrench and torture, he can give them all the details needed to move money on the exchanges or custodial wallet.

There is duress mode a wallet in a way the wallet can be taking you to a different a single wallet with your finger print but another wallet with password like Unstoppable wallet, but the disadvantage is that it is a mobile wallet but it can easily fool attackers. It is the best duress mode that I have seen.

But most common are the duress pin that will delete the wallet if you input incorrect password. This can be questionable by the attacker but at least they will not be able to access your coins, unlike on exchanges which have not worked towards having fake/second exchange account for their customers which can be used to fool attackers.

Wallets are better if it is about kidnapping and wrench attacks.

The problem about noncustodial wallet that I noticed are social engineering attacks, address poisoning and some other ones which are completely avoidable if learning about how to avoid them.

If he is holding coins on exchanges, he can still be kidnapped. With wrench and torture, he can give them all the details needed to move money on the exchanges or custodial wallet.

There is duress mode a wallet in a way the wallet can be taking you to a different a single wallet with your finger print but another wallet with password like Unstoppable wallet, but the disadvantage is that it is a mobile wallet but it can easily fool attackers. It is the best duress mode that I have seen.

But most common are the duress pin that will delete the wallet if you input incorrect password. This can be questionable by the attacker but at least they will not be able to access your coins, unlike on exchanges which have not worked towards having fake/second exchange account for their customers which can be used to fool attackers.

Wallets are better if it is about kidnapping and wrench attacks.

The problem about noncustodial wallet that I noticed are social engineering attacks, address poisoning and some other ones which are completely avoidable if learning about how to avoid them.

It’s hard if you expect to win every time.
Try to think of it as long-term betting, and with the right bankroll management, you’ll eventually see the difference.

In sports betting, it’s really a mindset thing. I’m telling you, you’ll feel the improvement once you increase your volume of bets and just focus on winning more than you lose overall.

Não acho que seja um conceito totalmente irrealista.
A sociedade humana já viveu sem dinheiro.

Agora, tem de haver mais de uma evolução tecnológica, para isso acontecer.

Eu imagino os custos que deve ter esse empreendimento.

Tipo... agua quente não pode ser encanada em tubos de PVC, precisa ser um tubo de cobre ou algo do tipo, certo?
Ai tem também a questão de perda térmica.... de nada adianta você mandar água quente por quilômetros se metade da "caloria" for perdida no caminho, então pode adicionar aí um bom isolante térmico junto desse cano de cobre ou similar.

Aí resta minha dúvida... qual o custo disso? Quem paga isso? É viável fazer mais esse investimento afim de "pagar a conta" da mineração, será que isso não iria aumentar o tempo de retorno?
Vejo como uma excelente forma de aproveitar algo que seria perdido, isso sim.... mas na questão financeira eu tenho sérias dúvidas sobre o quão viável isso seria.

It was a final match, it was natural for you to lose, but in the end, PSG won the French Super Cup trophy relying on a penalty shootout. This must have been disappointing for you because the match ended in a draw, so you lost your bet. Lately, in many leagues, matches have been very difficult to predict. I also bet $20 last week on Manchester City's victory, but they were defeated by Manchester United, which made me even more upset that night.

On paper, football matches seem like easy bets to win, but in reality, they're not. There are many defeats in matches that, on paper, seemed easy for the favored team, but the final results proved otherwise, such as the one you mentioned.

This reminds me of the World Cup when Argentina met Saudi Arabia. At the time, it looked like Argentina would win, even though they were already ahead, but Saudi Arabia managed to turn the game around.

I did both. I noticed you have some balance left, while I clicked MAX to send. I can manually enter an amount to send, that works. It's interesting to note I couldn't send the full amount: balance minus transaction fee still showed "internal transfer", and I think that's what the MAX button attempts to do. I now left 0.00000001 XMR in Coinomi and could send almost my entire balance. The XMR wallet needs some work

My Coinomi still can't do it, it thinks it's an internal transaction where it pays 0 XMR transaction fee. I don't know what's different from yours, I tried the default and lower transaction fees.

I didn't realize it until now, and indeed my last dust transaction paid $0.03 in Bitcoin. But to be fair, Monero is a lot faster at that rate.

Done.

I tried by myself, but Coinomi says it's an "internal transfer". It also made me realize $0.02 isn't what it used to be since Monero went up in price: it's barely enough for the transaction fee. So I've sent both Coinomi wallets $0.05 for further testing.

I deleted my Coinomi wallet and restored the seed: the $0.05 in XMR that's currently confirming shows up, but yesterday's $0.02 is gone. The wallet still needs some work

I'm no expert on Monero, but I think it needs access to keys to process incoming transactions (as part of it's privacy features).

Here's my best guess:
I noticed that you "Unlocked Balance" (I used Google translate on "saldo desbloqueado") is still zero.
So, that must be their implementation of the standard 10-block confirmation that's required by most wallets to spend recently received UTXO.

If it's processed after a while, my guess must be true.
Otherwise, it's something else.

I didn't understand the reason of this button, I selected it and then the "send" tab appeared.

But now, when I try to send and enter the amount and address, the "confirm" button is not selectable (it's grayed out, indicating that the button cannot be clicked).

I tried changing the fee, I used Send All, tried sending a smaller amount and nothing changed...

I'll edit this message shortly to send a screenshot from my phone.

Hmm... so apparently it's working (partially) regarding new transactions, but Coinomi ignores old transactions entirely or is it taking some time for them to appear?

Some XMR wallets require the user to specify the block height to scan transactions, Coinomi doesn't have that, right?

I see the green circle, but it often turns gray. Where do you see the block height?
I've sent you $0.02, and sent the same to my own Coinomi. So far it doesn't show up, but my years old transactions don't show either.

PM me your address and I'll send you my $0.02

They fooled me too a month ago. It says it's working, but it isn't.

But you still need to use "wallet.relayfee = (lambda: 0)" or TryNinja's plugin, right?

Edit: I had a little trouble finding this line. Please make it more visible, maybe even first line of OP.
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Done! But this may not be enough if Electrum still needs some tweaks.

Where did this file go?

Mas não é pra usuários comuns, é uma forma de ter um backup tudo em um, maior organização.

Sempre que eu testar uma nova carteira, não preciso testar uma semente com fundos ou criar nova carteira, anotar, conferir se anotou direito... basta eu derivar uma semente (com ou sem passphrase) nesse novo aplicativo de carteira ou hardware wallet... eu vou ter controle dessa seed derivada do mesmo jeito, mesmo não anotando o backup, eu já tenho o backup dela.

Essa é uma das funções dela, backup, criptografia e etc. Mas não é para usuário comum, iniciante, assim como passphrase também não é.

Leia o abstract: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0085.mediawiki

Not sure what you mean by "original address" because to my knowledge Satoshi didn't use public addresses as coinbases or transaction outputs. The Genesis block coinbase transaction of type P2PK had a public key as transaction output and that is technically no public address.

Of course, with the private key of the Genesis block you can move coins sent to the public key and any coins on derivable public address(es), where the most popular is the legacy P2PKH public address 1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa.

It's weird, indeed, see below for the needed update of my table.


Yep, blows my mind, too, and one of the reasons why I started this topic. We have no evidence that Satoshi could be gone from this world, so it makes no sense to me to speculate on this, but I agree that it's not likely he would ever spend any spendable coins "on" the Genesis block. He'll likely not want to spoil his immaculate anonymity if he's still living (wish him health and all the best)!


There's no rounding issue because the block subsidy is halved by a bit shift of an integer value. Halving an odd integer value by bit shift of its binary representation causes no issue at all. It's only we thinking with fractional bitcoin numbers to see an issue where none is. Excuse me being pedantic.


The initial Genesis block's subsidy of 50BTC is unspendable because it is not in the UTXO set (not sure if deliberately or by fault of Satoshi). Not even Satoshi and if a private key exists for the Genesis block's public key could spend those if he would ever want to.

This might be fixable but hasn't been done so far and I don't expect it to be ever fixed (if possible, I don't know, it's all code only).

I don't like the idea of confiscating and repurposing dormant coins. And I think this topic highlights also that I don't like the idea to deliberately take coins out of circulation by sending them to a public key or public address that very very likely will never be moved again. It's of course not me to decide what other people do with their coins.


Haha, speaking of which, yesterday two new "donations" came in.

Past March 14^th, 2025 large^{equal/over 500k sats} transfers to Genesis block descriptor:

Current balance at time of this post according to combo(PubKey of Genesis block's coinbase) descriptor, including the unspendable 50BTC of coinbase tx: 104.52261670BTC (1,092sat pending confirmation, the difference to previous post's value and newcomer transaction are smaller dust wastes and possibly a few larger ones or whatever their purpose is).

This may differ slightly from what mempool.space or bitcoindata.science displays because the combo() descriptor^{see below} accounts for all address types (except Taproot, IIRC).

I opened Coinomi after a long time and noticed these exchange options. Has anyone had problems using one of these services?

From what I've seen, the second one (Jupiter) is a Dex aggregator (I don't know how that works in practice). The DEX (Bebop) says it doesn't require KYC.

Jupiter has an option for Monero, has anyone tried it?

All slots are taken! The current block number is 932686, and the winner will be determined at block 932696 using Bitmover 🎉

Thank you for joining and best of luck!

Neste caso não.. eles estão esquentando a água no local da fazenda e aproveitando toda infraestrutura de encanamento que já existe no local para esquentar as casas..



Nenhuma mudança para o finlandês (que também deve continuar pagando a conta, apesar da mudança do "combustível").. é mais a mineradora tentando ganhar um extra e passando uma imagem de ESG.


Tem outros projetos que jogam o calor para estufas de alimentos também (neste caso refrigeração a ar, ao contrário ali das casas da Finlândia)..

Mas não sei até que ponto é escalável.. a principal dependência das mineradoras é energia barata, não acho que a venda desse calor (por água ou ar) gere grandes receitas.

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    14. 137185: jeremypwr (Trust: +59 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (16) 6150 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. 140582: gbianchi (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 2353 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. 140584: EFS (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 1961 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. 153634: dbshck (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 625 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. 158444: hybridsole (Trust: +19 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 447 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. 164749: stompix (Trust:  neutral) (DT1! (10) 6369 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. 164822: hilariousandco (Trust: +28 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (32) 1853 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. 170072: arulbero (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 1476 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. 189967: buckrogers (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 195 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. 204821: Buchi-88 (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 2270 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. 252510: JayJuanGee (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 12790 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. 257071: NeuroticFish (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 5987 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. 290195: achow101 (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 6564 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. 300014: DaveF (Trust: +33 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (17) 6562 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. 314792: examplens (Trust: +8 / =5 / -0) (DT1! (26) 3305 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. 317618: nutildah (Trust: +22 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (27) 9434 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. 346731: minerjones (Trust: +141 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (19) 3172 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    31. 350580: irfan_pak10 (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (2) 702 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    32. 355846: yahoo62278 (Trust: +40 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (22) 4164 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    33. 364070: bitbollo (Trust: +18 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 3522 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    34. 369212: zazarb (Trust: +34 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 548 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    35. 379147: pooya87 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 11195 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    36. 379487: LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (18) 11348 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    37. 395806: o_solo_miner (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 526 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    38. 405482: Real-Duke (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 2455 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    39. 407174: klarki (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (3) 4246 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    40. 487418: The Sceptical Chymist (Trust: +33 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (25) 6223 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    41. 521899: SFR10 (Trust: +20 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 2950 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    42. 557798: TryNinja (Trust: +14 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (9) 9072 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    43. 754818: holydarkness (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (13) 1332 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    44. 805820: Lafu (Trust: +17 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (11) 3865 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    45. 811213: polymerbit (Trust: +17 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 1003 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    46. 830967: tweetious (Trust: +34 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 447 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    47. 889300: giammangiato (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1472 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    48. 901859: buwaytress (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 3595 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    49. 914465: crwth (Trust: +4 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (1) 1114 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    50. 932931: Ale88 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 3313 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    51. 949248: Kryptowerk (Trust: +52 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 1249 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    52. 950662: julerz12 (Trust: +13 / =6 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1091 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    53. 995810: hosemary (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 6568 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    54. 1000199: krogothmanhattan (Trust: +102 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (20) 4083 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    55. 1016855: JollyGood (Trust: +21 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (15) 1823 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    56. 1045971: igebotz (Trust: +17 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (9) 2168 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    57. 1052091: CryptopreneurBrainboss (Trust: +22 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 5130 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    58. 1059082: hugeblack (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 4349 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    59. 1067333: El duderino_ (Trust: +27 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (10) 14984 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    60. 1097370: KTChampions (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 2158 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    61. 1099980: Trofo (Trust: +29 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 3138 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    62. 1179651: sheenshane (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 1168 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    63. 1269497: Bitcoin_Arena (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 1996 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    64. 1285797: GazetaBitcoin (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 9079 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    65. 1291828: TheBeardedBaby (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (15) 3336 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    66. 1311641: tvplus006 (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (12) 2434 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    67. 1424178: mole0815 (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 3199 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    68. 1554927: bitmover (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 7233 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    69. 1582324: DdmrDdmr (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (19) 11245 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    70. 1668017: anonymousminer (Trust: +44 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 1376 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    71. 1724800: Lakai01 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 3748 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    72. 1827294: Husna QA (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 3232 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    73. 1852120: fillippone (Trust: +14 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (22) 19729 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    74. 1862043: cryptofrka (Trust: +17 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 2275 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    75. 1878246: abhiseshakana (Trust: +2 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (1) 2440 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    76. 1980983: The Cryptovator (Trust: +22 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (19) 2457 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    77. 2003859: DireWolfM14 (Trust: +20 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (20) 5287 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    78. 2015418: notblox1 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 1501 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    79. 2344286: Little Mouse (Trust: +42 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (9) 3377 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    80. 2363935: YOSHIE (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (16) 1887 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    81. 2477002: inspace (Trust: +5 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (1) 1089 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    82. 2497429: jokers10 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 3819 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    83. 2519096: Awaklara (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 819 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    84. 2652924: geophphreigh (Trust: +33 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 1108 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    85. 2654005: zasad@ (Trust: +3 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (8) 5386 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    86. 2658890: Rikafip (Trust: +14 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (22) 7585 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    87. 2709122: Etranger (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 1773 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    88. 2739424: NotATether (Trust: +8 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (9) 9225 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    89. 2739454: Stalker22 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 1539 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    90. 2775483: BlackHatCoiner (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 9249 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    91. 2796662: Lillominato89 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1209 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    92. 3442614: YodasRedRocket (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 644 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    93. 3486361: PowerGlove (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 6742 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    94. 3540187: apogio (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (3) 2302 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)

DT 2
     1. 3: satoshi (Trust: +46 / =0 / -0) (8285 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. 4: sirius (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (878 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. 203: HostFat (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (300 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. 2252: laanwj (Trust:  neutral) (44 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. 2676: casascius (Trust: +6 / =0 / -1) (191 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. 2759: midnightmagic (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (27 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. 2786: Pieter Wuille (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (198 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. 3318: Luke-Jr (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (196 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. 3420: dooglus (Trust: +12 / =0 / -0) (334 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. 4171: Raize (Trust:  neutral) (24 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. 4528: Matt Corallo (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (15 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Weekly update (2026-01-09_Fri_05.18h)


theymos' raw data (format: time    amount    msg    user_from    user_to)
Sample
Full list^* (54 MB) (not limited to 120 days, 4069 Merit transactions added since my previous update).

theymos' data (human readable format, including usernames and post titles)
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On Fri 09 Jan 2026 03:48:16 AM CET, khaled0111 (history) sent 2 Merit to yhiaali3 (history) for Re: النشر باستخدام الذكاء الاصطناعي.
On Fri 09 Jan 2026 03:35:16 AM CET, illetyus (history) sent 1 Merit to Lachrymose (history) for stablecoin rails, onchain neobanks, defi/rwa/tradfi.
On Fri 09 Jan 2026 03:15:02 AM CET, d5000 (history) sent 1 Merit to Darker45 (history) for Re: What is the reason why Bitcoin is not currently forking?.
On Fri 09 Jan 2026 02:56:40 AM CET, yhiaali3 (history) sent 1 Merit to khaled0111 (history) for Re: النشر باستخدام الذكاء الاصطناعي.
On Fri 09 Jan 2026 02:44:51 AM CET, SPIDERMAN008 (history) sent 1 Merit to Ambatman (history) for Re: Making Money vs Replacing Money vs Increasing Savings Value.
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On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:28:54 PM CET, AdolfinWolf (history) sent 1 Merit to Lutpin (history) for Re: What is the function of the "Merit" score?.
On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:27:54 PM CET, Dahman El_Harrachi (history) sent 1 Merit to theymos (history) for Re: Forum ranks/positions/badges (What do those shiny coins under my name mean?).
On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:27:22 PM CET, Tyrantt (history) sent 5 Merit to AdolfinWolf (history) for What is the function of the "Merit" score?.
On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:27:13 PM CET, Last of the V8s (history) sent 2 Merit to Rosewater Foundation (history) for Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion.
On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:12:21 PM CET, theymos (history) sent 1 Merit to AdolfinWolf (history) for What is the function of the "Merit" score?.
Full list (570 MB)

Usernames to go with theymos' data
Sample
0: deMerit (Bitcoin Forum) (history) earned: 0 Merit.
3: satoshi (history) earned: 8285 Merit.
4: sirius (history) earned: 878 Merit.
10: Xunie (history) earned: 1 Merit.
11: madhatter (history) earned: 5 Merit.
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3742166: Ocham (history) earned: 1 Merit.
3742325: sasha699 (history) earned: 1 Merit.
3742440: bettyparker098 (history) earned: 1 Merit.
3742569: Ilpescatore (history) earned: 1 Merit.
3742586: MinerBTG (history) earned: 3 Merit.
Full list^* (10 MB)

Usernames machine readable
Sample
Full list (2 MB)

UserIDs, sent Merit and earned Merit machine readable
Sample
Full list (1 MB)

Total number of users who received 1 or more Merit: 50837
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Full list (5 MB)

Total number of users who gave away 1 or more sMerit: 26499
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Full list (3 MB)

Merit per day of the week
Monday 319871 (14.34%)
Tuesday 318125 (14.26%)
Wednesday 319171 (14.31%)
Thursday 340654 (15.27%)
Friday 337897 (15.15%)
Saturday 295329 (13.24%)
Sunday 298776 (13.39%)
Total: 2229823

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Frequently, I suggest that any member who might be tempted to trade his bitcoin or to get involved in shitcoins, then I recommend against either of those, yet if the member cannot resist such temptation, then at least if they might decide to limit their exposure to either trading and/or shitcoins to no more than 10% the size of their bicoin investment, then at least they might be able to satisfy their curiosity without putting too much of their bitcoin investment funds at risk.. and they can still stay mostly focused on bitcoin investing.

Part of the problem with traders/shitcoiners (aka gamblers) is that they cannot control their own level of degeneracy and their inclinations to be sucked into not knowing when to stop, so maybe the best that they can do for themselves to try to get over their addiction is to at least limit their exposure, which would still allow them to address their curiosity yet without getting sucked into gambling with large portions of their time, energies and value... so yeah, not only limit the amount of money they put in, but also limit their time and energy that they put into such trading/shitcoining.

I am not sure how else to attempt to help those kinds of folks to attempt to help themselves besides suggesting that they attempt to self-impose some kind of a reasonably strict limit.


Having back up funds remains important, and it likely becomes more and more important the larger a guy's bitcoin stash so that he does not end up getting tempted into tapping into his bitcoin stash.

Back up funds are important in the very beginning to make sure that a guy is not using non-discretionary funds to invest.. and to make sure that he has enough funds.. and the issue is always present, since if we really are investing into bitcoin, then our timeline is 4-10 years or longer, so our funds that we chose to invest into bitcoin will be locked up in the bitcoin perhaps for longer than 10 years, unless we might have some age or health issue that might justify tapping into the funds sooner.

Many guys get tempted to tap into their bitcoin or get lured into using their bitcoin because the bitcoin becomes positive and bitcoin tends to have abilities to be very liquid (very easy to cash out of), so then if a guy ends up seeing his bitcoin as an easy solution, then that vision might have been created by his lack of keeping adequate and sufficient back up funds so that he is not lured into tapping into his bitcoin.

Another thing that many of us consider to be a decently reasonable practice is to build up the back up funds and the bitcoin investment at a similar pace.  Sure you don't have to do it exactly 50/50, but if you end up fucking up and having to tap into your bitcoin, then you only have yourself to blame, especially if you were overly sloppy in not sufficiently/adequately preparing for situations in which your income might shrink and/or your expenses might go up...

So yeah, guys who think that they don't need any back up funds, might end up as serving as their own worst enemy including that poor people might well not have anyone that they can go to in order to get help to bail them out of the situation that they had caused themselves, so they end up having to sell some or all of their bitcoin because they thought that they could be so smart as to insufficiently/inadequately protect their bitcoin with back up funds.

In the end, each of us can do whatever we want, yet there have been a lot of guys who could have done quite well with their bitcoin over the years, and they end up with little to no bitcoin (and way less than what they had or could have had) based on their own sloppiness and failure/refusal to take adequate precautions.

For sure none of us is proclaiming that there is a need to build up the backup funds before getting started investing in bitcoin, yet that still does not signify that back up funds are not important.. and no one can really protect you from yourself if you are making bad choices in terms of how to try to manage your cashflows (including your back up funds) so that you will be in a position to invest into bitcoin as aggressively as you are able to do so without overdoing it, and not having back up funds seems like a recipe to get into a situation of overdoing it and not having enough cash to deal with decreases of income and/or increases in expenses.


There is no need to go back to 2010 to find guys who had ended up benefiting and/or having more options based on their involvement in bitcoin - even though those who have been in bitcoin longer have tended to end up doing better as long as they accumulated enough bitcoin and then errored on the side of mostly holding their bitcoin, even if they also might have had engaged in some spend and replace.

Surely if we go back even 10-ish years or so, we may well find guys who had been able to accumulate enough bitcoin or more than enough bitcoin so that they can mostly just hold the bulk of their bitcoin and then just cash out small amounts whenever they need to..

So even a person who might have invested $100 per week into bitcoin for 5 years starting in the beginning of 2016, he would have had invested around $26k, and then accumulated about 14.61 BTC.. so he would be in quite a good place right now, and right now a person with a stash of 14.61 BTC could cash out $84k per year or even $7k per month and give himself an annual raise of the dollar rate of 7% each year.... So he would be in quite a good place, even though he started 10 years ago, only invested $100 per week for 3 years, yet his BTC stash got to a high enough level that he could begin to sustainably withdraw at $84k per year.


For sure, I am not clear about what points you are wanting to make, exactly, since even in my above response, I was attempting to suggest that there are differing ways to describe how much any investor might be investing into bitcoin in terms of his overall income or in terms of his discretionary income.

And, surely  if we have a certain income coming in, and then if we might choose to invest a certain amount every week (such as $100 per week), we might not even be sure about what percent of our income that we are using or even what percent of our discretionary income until maybe we go back and calculate it.

so for example a guy who has an income of $30k per year would have an average monthly income of $2,500, and maybe if his expenses are $1,500 per month, then he would have right around $1k per month discretionary income.  If he had chosen to invest $100 per week into bitcoin, then that would be $5,200 per year (which is 16.25% of his overall income), and it would be right around 29% of his discretionary funds (which are $12k per year).

A guy could start out investing at a certain rate within his first year, and then as he learns more about bitcoin, he might decide to increase his investment amount, so the amount might not be consistent from year to year, even if we might go back 6 years to 2020.. as you seem to be suggesting to have had started investing in bitcoin at around that time.   

Se você tiver uma quantidade de USDT que vale a pena fazer essa movimentação que você diz que precisa, pague as taxas da Trust Wallet em USDT já que isso é possível (como você mesmo disse que não tem ETH para cobrir as taxas) e futuramente migre para camadas com taxas menores como mencionado pelo bitmover.

Por mais que as taxas na rede Ethereum não sejam altas em dias normais, quando congestiona fica um absurdo. Quando necessito, gosto de usar a rede Tron ou a BSC.

Recentemente eu estava pensando sobre usar o usd stablecoin como trilho, pra transferir entre corretoras, ou alavancar em defi ou até mesmo fazer o short do BTC no ciclo de baixa. O problema é que lá pra junho, quando a decripto entrar em vigor transações com USD stablecoin vão ter IOF. Especificamente nesse cenário, para fazer essas coisa de forma declarada e pagando tudo o que se deve, se é que se quer isso mesmo (tem certeza que quer isso mesmo? última palavra?), uma stablecoin do real com alta liquidez seria muito bem-vinda.


Concordo totalmente, é uma cópia da estratégia americana com stablecoins. No final se tem uma shitcoin lastreada por outra equivalente, mas com riscos de contrato inteligente. Mas no geral acho positivo essas ideias encontrarem terreno fértil, ao invés de aversão à qualquer ideia de cripto, que é o que tem sido vigente atualmente.

Thanks, its been updated!



Tbh, I think that some local boards might have unrealsiotuically high merit per post ratio, which makes your looking worse than it actually is. I can only speculate though as you know situation in your own local board much better than me and how many good posts get undermited.



I've been making those for the last few years.


Very soon. Tomorrow.



I remember the time when my local was beating yours, and now we are nowhere close to you. 


Yeah links for Bengali and Pakistan have been messed up, and they actually lead to whoever click on them, not exactly on you. Anyway, thanks for letting me know, it will be sorted out.

Yes, I didn't know either at first, and I think that's a great suggestion. One additional suggestion for Bitz is to add a tool to verify mirror sites. Sometimes new users or those unfamiliar with mirror sites are hesitant to use these links. This is because in many cases, scammers intentionally copy domain names to deceive people. These tools may also be important.

This has become a common standard in crypto gambling, KYC will be required in certain circumstances especially when problems come, you are right other casinos are no different.

Yep KYC is already listed in the Punkz ToS.

That's a good perk of naming the tool like that haha, I always came to know about the raffals very late but this time I was able to participate on time and I got my slots maybe I will win this time haha and I hope you will too, like any of us.

Yes that's how instant exchanges works and it seems like your first time using any instant exchange so I suggest to double check the url everytime and always confirm the deposite address provided by the exchange completely and then send funds. I know its pretty basics but had to mention.

Número de posts caiu bastante.. quase metade quando comparado com dezembro de 2024.. e 1/3 de dezembro de 2023.. chegamos no ponto mais baixo da história.

Arrisco dizer que foi por conta dessas campanhas de assinatura que só permitem 5-10 posts em abas locais.. sem falar alguns nobres companheiros que sumiram porque ficaram bilionários.

Difícil acreditar que teremos uma recuperação

Now Indonesia is indeed lagging behind Nigeria and Russia, but in 2026 the Indonesian Local Forum may be more active and more active members because it has started to appear now.

Some influence the number of Merit Sources is small and some are even inactive making activities in local Indonesia quiet,
some have already applied to become Merit Sources, and I am also one of the people who submitted, but waiting for Theymos to review our application.

Merit Distribution Data throughout 2025

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Update the data race all the local boards that you pinned show amazing activity for Nigeria and Russia, these two local boards compete with each other,
but some also like my local board Indonesia is also a competitor with Turkey.
this proves that the Bitcointalk Forum is still very crowded, and some local boards are quite probably because of the lack of interest in Bitcoin.

É verdade.

Lembro-me de uma vez fazer uma pequena troca P2P e a pessoa lembrou-se de colocar na mensagem enviada pelo banco (transferência): "buy BTC". Ou seja, aquilo que se não deve fazer ao usar P2P.
Lá expliquei para ele para não o voltar a fazer, ele pediu desculpa e acho que percebeu (não voltei a fazer trocas com ele).

Então, P2P existe ainda mais disciplina e consciência do que se esta a fazer. Não é um simples "toma lá-dá cá".

Mesmo assim, olhando para o racio post-merit, tem estado muito bom e até teve um subida face ao mês anterior.



Por cá, as coisas seguem normalmente. Tem de notar, que agora vocês estão no verão, então acaba por haver esse abrandamento que se junta ao carnaval. Em Portugal é inverno, muita chuva e frio, no verão - Julho e Agosto - é que tendencialmente as coisas acalmam um pouco mais.

Boa observação...
Realmente, acho que pode vir a surgir uma boa campanha, dessa nova exchange.




Por acaso nunca fiz estas campanhas, porque só uso BTC. Vou ter de usar uma wallet LTC, para fazer uma troca, fazer um teste pela primeira vez.

Talvez me inscreve e ver se sou aceite.

That's a good idea!.

Yes, it's easy to use, you just need 2 steps to make it complete. I have an image tutorial here. So, After getting the deposit address, you can close the website while keeping the order inquiry code, then wait for your crypto to arrive in your wallet.

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Queria saber oque tá acontecendo como @TryNinja que continua sumido das estatísticas novamente.
Viajando novamente ou tocando muitos projetos com os gringos? Nem se lembra ou perde mais o tempo com a panelinha daqui, então tá bom!
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Enfim, mês fraco, muita galera de férias e fora da rotina, eu mesmo tinha se prometido trazer mais conteúdo mas na verdade nem consegui acompanhar tanto as notícias, quem diria criar tópicos que sejam minimamente interessantes. No Brasil dizemos que o ano começa só depois do carnaval, como que é aí em Portugal @joker_josue?

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Bumping this topic after around three weeks from last time, because there's again a larger lump "donation" which qualifies to be listed in my table.

Past March 14^th, 2025 large^{equal/over 500k sats} transfers to Genesis block descriptor:

Current balance at time of this post according to combo(PubKey of Genesis block's coinbase) descriptor, including the unspendable 50BTC of coinbase tx: 104.48598024BTC (the difference to previous post's value and newcomer transaction are smaller dust wastes and possibly a few larger ones or whatever their purpose is).

This may differ slightly from what mempool.space or bitcoindata.science displays because the combo() descriptor^{see below} accounts for all address types (except Taproot, IIRC).

Its time for yet another brief monthly overview of local boards activity, and a little bit earlier than last time as I plan to publish the yearly overview by the end of the month. All charts and table are made using data from @DdmrDdmr Merit Dashboard and BitList.

Communities marked with * (Pakistan, Bangladesh) unfortunately still don't have their own local boards, but I still hope that's something that will change in the (near) future.

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Post activity per local board during December 2025

During the last month, 13997 posts were written across the local boards, which is a slight increase compared to November's number (13826). Increase may seem small, but what's more important is that the negative trend of decreased activity was stopped.

Once again Nigerian board has been far ahead the others, with Russian board at the 2nd, while Turkish board came dangerously close to them and considering how things are developing, I wouldn't be surprised if they take over that 2nd spot. Regarding the left part of the chart, no changes or surprises there, except maybe French local that slowly and steady keeps going down.

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Active members per local board during December 2025

During December, 1441 members wrote at least 1 post in one of the local boards, which is almost as same as the month before (1445 during November).

Nigerian is at the top, but not as dominant as with the number of posts, Russian board at the 2nd spot while Indonesian at 3rd is far behind them.

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Local board members per amount of posts during December 2025

When it comes to the members who wrote only 1 post, Romanian is the leader with 57%, while at the same bracket Pilipinas had only 15% of such members.

In the 2-9 posts bracket leader is French local board with 55%, while at the same time Portuguese loca had only 20% of those members.

And regarding the 10+ posts bracket, leader is Turkish local board with 57% of such members, while French and Polish local boards didn't have a single member whoe wrote 10+ posts.

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Merit shared per local board during December 2025

During the above mentioned period, 7657 merit was shared across local boards, which is a slight increase compared to November's 7414 merit. Imho, I think that this is generally a good number considering the overall number of posts written on local boards.

Nigerian board remained at the top, which makes sense considering their number of posts, followed far behind by Russian and Turkish local boards. Its also worth mentioning Greek local board as well, sicne I don't remember the last time they had such a high number of merit sent.

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Merit/Post ratio per local board during December 2025

During December, the average merit per post ratio across local boards that are part of this overview was 0.55, which is a small increase compared to November's 0.54.

Romanian board is back at the top with 1.88 merit per post, followed by Spanish, Greek, Italian and Croatian board that all had over 1 merit per post ratio, which is something we didn't see for quite some time. Regarding the last month's top board (German), they dropped hard, from 1.66 in Novermber to 0.59 in December, which is not so usual for such a big board.

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Merit senders and receivers per local board during December 2025

During December, 527 members sent while 628 members received merit which is similar to previous month numbers (536/610). As expected, Nigerian is far ahead the other boards with a huge amount of merit senders and receivers, even considering their number of merit sent.

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Merit per transaction across local boards during December 2025

Last but not the least, chart that shows meriting habits of local boards. This time Greek local board is at the top with 7+ merit sent per tx, which is only possible to happen on the smaller boards that don't have big number of merit transactions.

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The most active members per local board during December 2025

And for the end of December's local board overview, the list of the most active local board members. klarki from Russian local board was the most active member with 145 posts, at the 2nd place is mandown from Turkish local board who wrote 137 posts while another member from Russian local, Julien_Olynpic is at the 3rd place with 110 posts written. Gj guys, keep it up!

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1. klarki [145]	|	1. MaxMueller [98]	|	1. mandown [137]	|	1. fillippone [43]	|	1. joker_josue [103]	|	1. famososMuertos [37]	|
2. Julien_Olynpic [110]	|	2. Koal-84 [54]	|	2. xzone [68]	|	2. Plutosky [40]	|	2. sabotag3x [77]	|	2. darxiaomi [30]	|
3. safar1980 [87]	|	3. MinoRaiola [52]	|	3. blomen [64]	|	3. Lillominato89 [36]	|	3. bitmover [56]	|	3. Porfirii [24]	|
4. zasad@ [86]	|	4. Unknown01 [41]	|	4. Mustang Shelby [59]	|	4. *Ace* [35]	|	4. alegotardo [48]	|	4. Don Pedro Dinero [24]	|
5. Alex077 [63]	|	5. willi9974 [40]	|	5. yenerbatmaz [58]	|	5. arulbero [33]	|	5. Forsyth Jones [42]	|	5. danadc [16]	|
6. PerfectumR [49]	|	6. mole0815 [34]	|	6. kriminall [56]	|	6. babo [30]	|	6. Pumared [29]	|	6. Crystal-Trade.org [13]	|
7. xandry [45]	|	7. Real-Duke [32]	|	7. Hvdv [56]	|	7. Ale88 [29]	|	7. Mindyspace [29]	|	7. Hispo [12]	|
8. KTChampions [43]	|	8. cygan [29]	|	8. Phoenix Anka [55]	|	8. gbianchi [27]	|	8. TryNinja [28]	|	8. darbitmobilerecovery [10]	|
9. eisen33 [43]	|	9. Lakai01 [24]	|	9. ajanwalker [52]	|	9. giorgione [19]	|	9. criptoevangelista [25]	|	9. Sheylon [8]	|
10. jokers10 [41]	|	10. 5tift [21]	|	10. execijutiere [52]	|	10. kennycryptoitalia [15]	|	10. Paredao [24]	|	10. XMRmaximalist [5]	|

Indonesian	|	French	|	Pilipinas	|	Croatian	|	Nigerian	|	Arabic	|
_________________	|	_________________	|	_________________	|	_________________	|	_________________	|	_________________	|
1. Husna QA [54]	|	1. patrickus [9]	|	1. arwin100 [29]	|	1. slackovic [54]	|	1. Floxynice [96]	|	1. yhiaali3 [31]	|
2. mu_enrico [35]	|	2. winspiral [8]	|	2. cryptoaddictchie [29]	|	2. ovcijisir [35]	|	2. Jubilee58 [86]	|	2. Kavelj22 [31]	|
3. Luzin [29]	|	3. Danydee [6]	|	3. gunhell16 [28]	|	3. Pmalek [32]	|	3. SatoPrincess [53]	|	3. khaled0111 [25]	|
4. AakZaki [27]	|	4. RedFlix [5]	|	4. Peanutswar [28]	|	4. katanic97 [31]	|	4. Africolo [52]	|	4. RedFlix [22]	|
5. Chikito [27]	|	5. DenisDenis [4]	|	5. lionheart78 [24]	|	5. dkbit98 [18]	|	5. ArabBTC [52]	|	5. Ochan_yazo_tochant [8]	|
6. joniboini [25]	|	6. G.Seed [4]	|	6. Fredomago [23]	|	6. examplens [15]	|	6. Yablee0 [49]	|	6. shual1982als [8]	|
7. taufik123 [23]	|	7. TryNinja [3]	|	7. bhadz [23]	|	7. Daniel91 [15]	|	7. Bishop Victor [47]	|	7. OmegaStarScream [5]	|
8. Rashlyowl [22]	|	8. Jeanne28 [3]	|	8. tech30338 [23]	|	8. Trofo [15]	|	8. Mr Reporter [45]	|	8. hugeblack [5]	|
9. Liboy95 [19]	|	9. FDlabs [2]	|	9. xLays [22]	|	9. Rikafip [15]	|	9. Agbamoni [41]	|	9. waelov [3]	|
10. abhiseshakana [18]	|	10. gibrab16 [2]	|	10. julerz12 [22]	|	10. cryptofrka [9]	|	10. Progress101 [41]	|	10. Zwei [3]	|

Polish	|	Indian	|	Greek	|	Romanian	|	Pakistan*	|	Bengali*	|
_________________	|	_________________	|	_________________	|	_________________	|	_________________	|	_________________	|
1. cygan [7]	|	1. Bitcoin Smith [30]	|	1. cryptosize [14]	|	1. GazetaBitcoin [11]	|	1. qurbanshah02 [77]	|	1. DYING_S0UL [24]	|
2. TryNinja [3]	|	2. JSRAW [26]	|	2. BlackHatCoiner [9]	|	2. NeuroticFish [6]	|	2. Jaweria parveen [43]	|	2. Bd officer [20]	|
3. Hejzzzz [2]	|	3. pawanjain [17]	|	3. alani123 [8]	|	3. TryNinja [3]	|	3. JunaidAzizi [43]	|	3. Z_MBFM [15]	|
4. pawel7777 [1]	|	4. vivekdhyani1 [16]	|	4. Ultegra134 [6]	|	4. antonpans [1]	|	4. HustleZ [28]	|	4. Crypto Library [14]	|
5. ABCKrypto [1]	|	5. TheUltraElite [11]	|	5. Makis Kotzampasis [3]	|	5. jedaite [1]	|	5. MusaPk [27]	|	5. BlackHatSojib [13]	|
6. TOKUGAWA.999 [1]	|	6. LucyFurr [8]	|	6. killerjoegreece [1]	|	6. pandorian [1]	|	6. ZAINmalik75 [24]	|	6. Mahiyammahi [12]	|
	|	7. henmark [7]	|	7. Dimitris [1]	|	7. TOKUGAWA.999 [1]	|	7. GbitG [21]	|	7. malekbaba [11]	|
	|	8. Cointikka [6]	|	8. TOKUGAWA.999 [1]	|		|	8. UmerIdrees [21]	|	8. God Of Thunder [9]	|
	|	9. gibrab16 [5]	|	9. durcoin [1]	|		|	9. Doll2233 [20]	|	9. Hridyansh Labs [8]	|
	|	10. TSen [4]	|		|		|	10. Ab de villiers [19]	|	10. Review Master [5]	|

we have pvp games in mind, never thought about banker/player blackjack but maybe. first is first though.. ha.

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It could may well be that we have already front run silver in the sense that even if we start from near the top of the 2017 peak, the 200-WMA was ONLY at $1,052 at that time, and  right now the 200-WMA is $57,319 - which I measure to be right around a 54.5x value appreciation in bitcoin. over the past  two cycles (8 years).

I doubt that there is anything urgent that needs to be caught up... apart from merely touching upon a new ATH prior to April 1. Other than that, no rush.

That's my personal view.


You are going to pay Philip so that he takes his jobs more seriously?   


He's been going at it for quite a while... probably since 2020 or even earlier.

Many folks, not just me, were quite annoyed by Phil's pushing of t-bills or whatever those yield-based dollar products were in late 2022.


I supposed in some sense it is good that you are sticking to your guns in your looking at $60k-ish as if it were some kind of a reasonable target (even though you moved up from your earlier statements about $40k and $50k), so maybe there is a wee bit of an improvement even though you seem quite likely to lose money on your lack of preparedness for a bitcoin pump (which tends to be the better direction to prepare for, especially when it comes to such a great investment like bitcoin).

At the same time, you are already accustomed to selling too many bitcoin too soon. which seems to contribute to your ongoing desires to trade and gamble with your bitcoin rather than just stack them up, just like you did in 2017 and ending up with way fewer bitcoin that you could have had based on your selling too many corn too soon.

Some guys have more difficulties learning as compared with others.. but what can we do?  Guys have to go at their own pace, right?

In spite of your own concerns that guys want you to lose money, you likely realize that many guys in this thread tend to prepare for either BTC price direction.. ..yet it is difficult to generalize too much about what guys are doing, and/or to know how many guys end up with less bitcoin at the next time bitcoin crosses over $126k?

For some of us it may not matter very much either way, if we have in the ballpark of the same quantity of bitcoin and/or even 5% less bitcoin than we had the first time around, then it may not matter very much, which is another advantage that happens when a guy has reached enough or more than enough bitcoin.  He does not have to fuck around trying to trade (and/or gamble with) the otherwise best of assets currently available for investing.

You could buy back now to save yourself, yet that is one of the problems when the way of seeing bitcoin is wrong in the first place, so yeah, you have to figure out when it might be time to buy back in, to cut your looses.


Even though "we" don't condone violence in these here parts, that visual is still nice - in the figurative rusty pipe sense.   



Guys here can do whatever dumb shit they want.. I don't give a shit.. and you never know, some guys might feel sorry for your shitcoining and never-ending distracted ass, and send you some doggie coins just for funzies.. .. yet I doubt that it will help you to send you money.. since poor folks tend to have poor habits... .. 

That was just my dream, not based on any insider information
I think this would complicate things a lot for dewez, but I dont think it is impossible to create this mod in future.
There are other websites used for playing cards against other human players., we even have competitions in bitcointalk forum.

Há um ano atras, fiz este tópico sobre as perspectivas para 2025.
Quais foram os resultados? Fazendo um apanhado do que foi dito aqui...



Bem, em 01/01/2026 não estava acima dos 100k.
Mas, em 2025 foi um ano de altas, que bateu recordes, onde o valor superou a barreira dos 120k. Por isso, meia projeção acertada.   




De facto, surgiram boas noticias para o sector, que permitiu estar mais forte agora do que antes.




Uma projeção quase certeira. Foi de altas até ao ultimo trimestre do ano. Não chegou aos 180k, mas ando perto dos 130. E felizmente o fundo não foi os 30k, ficou pelos +/-70k.




Bem, realmente subiu, mas não chegou aos 150k. Resta saber se a projeção de 2026 tambem irá ocorrer.




Não se pode dizer que 2025, foi um mau ano para que tem feito HODL e quis liquidar algum valor.
Parabéns, para quem aproveitou a alta, para liquidar algum BTC e aproveitar um pouco esses ganhos.




Sem falar em valores, acabou por fazer das projeções mais acertadas! Parabéns. 




De certa forma, foi uma descrição do que realmente aconteceu. Por isso, agora estaremos no momento: "Se cair mais do que está hoje, é comprar e esperar a alta."




Foi uma previsão razoável, não chegou aos 150k, mas já não olhamos para esse patamar como muito distante.




Mais uma projeção acertada. Realmente no meio do ano, mais ou menos, tivemos um ATH. Agora, só espero que não esteamos no tal inverno... para já não parece.



Resumindo, todos estivemos com projeções próximas do que realmente veio acontecer.
Interessante rever isto.

I do exactly as bitmover suggested, in fact, it's the easiest and most practical way to get Monero these days. When I need to sell, I do the reverse route.

It's even better this way, because I buy XMR with more privacy (BTCxXMR), since anything involving fiat will require KYC.

Using any fiat payment method almost certainly means revealing personal data, which is completely contrary to Monero and what it represents. Now I'm looking at Bestchange, and there are only 4 options for buying XMR with a credit card. I think that even the services that offer XMR do not offer a swap for fiat, because such a pair is not particularly attractive.
But, I agree, it's enough to just buy cryptocurrency the first time, after that, it's much easier to swap to XMR or anything else.

Bitcoin is only Bitcoin with new Bitcoin blocks found and mined by Bitcoin miners, with its technical developments and adoption growths very strongly with time. if you have money, bitcoin is one of best assets for you to invest your money in, and let's invest money in Bitcoin for long term, you will receive very sweet investment result from Bitcoin.

Calling the future profit as passive income or not, it's not important, the importance is you have money to spend without further energy spent for any works. That's kind of passive income, but even you don't consider it as income, you still have money to use.

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