theymos hat heute wieder das neue Update für die Default Trust 1 Liste raus gebracht für den Monat Juni !
Hier waren dafür wieder 120 Benutzer berechtigt.

Original Beitrag von theymos : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117330.msg65441616#msg65441616

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Wieder mit dabei und am Start aus dem Deutschen Bereich sind dieses mal : bullrun2024bro , 1miau , Lakai01 , Kryptowerk , Real-Duke , Buchi-88 , willi9974 , d5000 und meine wenigkeit.
Hoffentlich habe nicht wieder jemanden vergessen oder übersehen !


Hier das genaue Update und Übersicht von LoyceV:

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provavelmente a diferença de valor tem relação com a ineficiência do mercado mesmo, é muito dificil encontrar liquidez
eu mesmo eventualmente vendo um pouco de crypto e poderia vender no P2P mas a dificuldade de ter que encontrar alguém e tempo a mais para fazer a venda não compensa para 1000, 2000 reais... (será que alguém por aqui se interessa, inclusive?)

imagina então pra quem quer vender um volume real, altos 5 dígitos, 6 ou 7... muito difícil. Acaba sendo mais fácil pelos canais tradicionais mesmo

a Bisq é um exemplo que vem para cobrir essa ineficiência mas o problema mais relatado é justamente esse: falta de volume e demora para conseguir alguém para dar match com suas ordens

Há alguma lógica do porque o P2P ser tão "inflacionado" e com valores fora tanto na compra quanto na venda?
Sei lá... sempre tem gente querendo comprar e vender, então por mais que eu sei que deva existir gente que está nessa "troca" de forma profissional e usa esse mercado para obter lucro, também deve existir gente que realmente queira apenas comprar ou vender da forma mais justa possível, então porque não se encontra preços bons iguais em uma exchange? É a demanda que realmente é baixa?

Eu pensei no "fato risco", onde mesmo quem tenta comprar/vender de forma justa também precisa por uma margem para caso perca dinheiro em alguma negociação, mas se for alguém com boa reputação ele quase sempre terá razão no caso de uma disputa e provavelmente conseguirá receber os valores bloqueados.

Acho que a falta de liquidez em quem opera com R$ seja o maior problema, tenho certeza que o Joker tenha uma visão bem melhor dessas plataformas por conseguir trabalhar com €

Pelo o que eu li, os 2% é do lado do comprador.
E os 8% que estava a falar era fora da plataforma do Peach.

É a taxa do serviço de escrow.



Tenho de explorar mais o bisq, mas na ultima vez, achei bem complicado.

É o problema de ser P2P puro.
A pessoa compra inflacionado, acabando por vezes não compensar.

Mas já vi fees de 8%, em modelo mais ou menos P2P, com a garantia que ao pagar em CC, nunca ninguém vai saber que foi BTC que compraste.

Enfim, são os valores do P2P.

Doações entre parceiros são tributados em 3% no meu país. E também há um valor isento de impostos.


Quero manter os impostos o mais baixo possível de forma legal.

Por exemplo, também posso dividir minhas criptomoedas entre mim, meu pai, minha mãe e minha irmã.

Se cada um tiver uma pequena parte, o imposto será menor do que se uma pessoa vender tudo em 1 mês. Isso não é ilegal. É planejamento tributário.


Marco uma consulta com um advogado tributário no meu país. O site dele menciona um tratado entre meu país e o Brasil (2002) para evitar a dupla tributação. No meu país também há trabalhadores transfronteiriços. Por exemplo, eles vivem de um lado da fronteira, mas trabalham do outro lado. Eles pagam imposto de renda no país onde trabalham, mas há outros impostos que eles pagam em seu próprio país. Espero que isso possa ser feito no Brasil também. Minha esposa tem uma propriedade no Brasil.

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Exemplo:

Um homem pagou 10.000 euros por um pedaço de bitcoin em 2024. Agora ele vale 30.000 euros. Os impostos sobre Bitcoin na Europa são altos. O homem dá seu bitcoin para sua esposa no Brasil, para perder menos dinheiro em impostos.

O imposto que ela tem que pagar é 15% sobre (€30.000 - €10.000 = €20.000 de lucro) ou 15% sobre 30.000 euros? O problema é que o homem comprou o bitcoin. Não a mulher, então não sei se ela pode deduzir o preço de compra do preço de venda.

Outra coisa que me deixou confuso: li que o imposto só é devido quando o lucro mensal ultrapassa 35.000 reais (cerca de 4.000 euros). https://tokentax.co/blog/crypto-taxes-brazil

Suponha que alguém tenha 60.000 euros em criptomoedas (cerca de 400.000 reais). A pessoa quer vender tudo em setembro de 2025 porque acredita que esse é o topo do ciclo do mercado. Em todos os outros meses de 2025, nada foi vendido. A pessoa deve pagar 15% sobre tudo de setembro ou o lucro de setembro pode ser dividido por todos os meses do ano em que nada foi vendido? Se não houver imposto abaixo de 35.000 reais de lucro por mês, naturalmente tentamos não vender mais de 35.000 reais por mês.

Um último problema é que minha esposa do Brasil mora e trabalha na Europa há 2 anos. Ela paga seus impostos na Europa. Oficialmente, porém, ela nunca saiu do Brasil. Ela ainda paga IPTU no Brasil e sua mãe mora na casa dela. O salário dela da Europa não é registrado no Brasil porque ela paga esses impostos na Europa. Se registrássemos a renda europeia dela no Brasil, ela pagaria duas vezes e não sobraria nada. Não sei se minha esposa pode escolher onde pagar impostos sobre criptomoedas.

Ela é atualmente tributável em 2 países

Which third party exchanges are they using for the swaps? Their website claims they have established partnerships with several decentralized exchanges. But something tells me that is false and they still rely on services like Changelly, ChangeNOW, or something similar. Coinomi's swap feature on the website mentions Changelly. If it's that, it's neither decentralized nor privacy-preserving or KYC-free.

Agora fizeste-me rir! 

O tempo de demora é por causa da burocracia.



O blockchain não vai resolver o problema da burocracia. Se a burocracia for a mesma, vai demorar o mesmo tempo com ou sem blockchain.

Se dizer que precisa digitalizar mais os serviços, para ajudar a reduzir burocracia e o tempo, é outra coisa. Mas, voltamos ao mesmo, não é preciso blockchain para isso. Qualquer sistema de base de dados é mais que suficiente, e é substancialmente mais barata de criar e manter.

I'm starting to think they don't want to support Monero anymore.

How short?  And how far down?

You were posting while the BTC price was in the $103.7k prices, and so is that the bottom or near the bottom, and then how long is it going to take to return to $112k and above. 

You know our ATH from just over a week ago is $112k, not $110k.. and, yeah, sure I think that I get it that these days $2k is a kind of rounding error.  At times in 2022, $2k would have had been around 10% or more, and these days $2k is a wee bit less than 2%.


I will admit that I had buy orders starting around $106k.. so yeah, they are about $3k-ish apart until $74k.. then they go towards $2,500-ish increments.  Even the last dump into the $74ks, my orders were not knocked into the $2,500-ish increments.

I will admit that out of boredom, from time to time, I will thrown in some extra buy orders... so yeah, I suppose any of us can be guilty of "wanting to do something" rather than just waiting... have to do end of the month calculations, too.


Surely, there can be ways to attempt to read the positive out of the situation, and there can be some kinds of feelings like a kid in the candy store when more money comes available.. and I recall having some periods like that in 2013, 2014, 2015 and even into 2016, when I was still considering any extra money to come in would be considered for allocation into bitcoin within the three categories 1) buy right away, 2) defer by time (DCA) and/or 3) defer by price (buying on dips). 

I have kept those same practices that I played with between 2013 and 2016, yet after 2016, I have had more reservations to strictly throw new cash into bitcoin, as I had done between late 2013 and 2016.

Yet, surely in 2022 and 2023, I had two noteworthy incidents that had caused me to allocate new money into bitcoin in the first one with the BTC price dropping below the 200-WMA for extended periods starting with its drop below $20k in about June 2022 and also in the second one I had the pleasure of having to deal with a decently large cash windfall, which ended up going into my structurally adding bitcoin buy on dip orders in which only a portion of them ended up filling.. so the extent to which they did not fill ended up getting folded into available cash.. with my somewhat leaving the matter up to fate.. and at that point in mid-2023, fate had it that bitcoin prices would ONLY drop into the $24ks.. which subsequently caused any of my buy orders below $24k to have had rolled into cash for me to spend.. .and sure that money from those buy orders below $24k was not really liberated until around mid 2024.


In 33 years.. bitcoin is ONLY going to be $1.323 million..

Holy cow!!!!!!

The BIGGEST bear that I ever did witness... unless you meant to say post parity, which then I could forgive you for your blunder.. must be senility kicking in upon retirement.   

By the way, to get post parity from page parity, you merely multiply x 20, which would make your earlier claim of $1.323 million to be $26.46 million, which also might be a wee bit bearish, if we are talking about around a 33 year timeline.

Ok... I did a bit more research, and my current projection of the 200-WMA out to mid 2058 does show as $6,462,443... which does make  a $26.46 million to be more in the ballpark than $1.323 million, yet perhaps more than 25% greater than the 200 WMA might even be more easonable, which would be a little over $8 million.... so that would be my current ballpark call for mid 2058.


Volatility is why we use the 200-WMA to valuate our holdings and our withdrawal rate.  Yeah, I know that previously you had said that you needed around 5x more than what I would even consider to be a reasonable passive income, so perhaps instead of $80k per year, you need something in the ballpark of $400k per year or perhaps a bit more.

So if you really do need that level of annual income, then you would need to currently need to have at least 83.48 BTC, which is coming down on a regular basis, and so maybe in a few years, you would only need half.. and maybe you would need around 6-8 more years for your 20 BTC to work in that kind of a way.  We have to go from where we are at, and you are the best person to know how much you need... yet I imagine you might also be able supplement your bitcoin income with the income (the passive withdrawal) from other assets too.

We are not talking about trading in this thread.

The idea of buying the dip, in terms of the purpose of this thread is to be able to get more bitcoin for the same amount of dollars spent.


Even though "overaccumulation status" and "fuck you status" can be similar, I have been describing my dilemma around overaccumulation status and not so much about having any dilemma about "fuck you status."  It is generally a good problem to have in terms of reaching either of those statuses, since getting to either point signifies the having of quite a few options and perhaps even being triggered into considering the extent to which past practices might need to be adjusted in order to account for reaching either or both of those statuses.

I have been describing "overaccumulation status" as a point in which a person concludes that he has enough or more than enough bitcoin.

Frequently, I have been using  "fuck you status," to describe a point in which a person concludes that he no longer needs to work.

I suppose with either overaccumulation status or fuck you status there would be threshold points in which we are barely reaching our definition of getting there, and so we are perhaps on the border and also subject to error if we are considering ourselves to be on the border rather than clearly within such status, so in that case, there is likely some need to get past the threshold and to have a bit of a cushion prior to changing our actions. .in the case of overaccumulation status to stop or slow down accumulating bitcoin... and in the case of fuck you status to quit our work or to substantially decrease our hours.

These are not exactly black and white matters since we could start to change our actions while crossing into such places, and we likely already feel empowered as we are building our bitcoin stash...

Sometimes, we might also have a combination of traditional investments and bitcoin in which we can draw upon, and we might have a variety of kinds of work that we can choose to reduce certain parts of our work that we either do not enjoy or we find too draining or that we have activities that we would prefer to be doing, rather than some of our kinds of work.


Each of them have potential to reduce your bitcoin stash... so that reduction of the BTC stash should be taken into account and even projected out.

I frequently have been using the idea of a guy who might be shooting to have an income of $80k per year, and surely it can become more clear when we attempt to illustrate with some kind of an example... so then the guy who is aspiring to retire with an $80k per year income might have had started out with a lower income such as $50k.. and perhaps he had been investing into bitcoin at around $150 per week ($67k) for the last 8.5 years and accumulated nearly 11 BTC.  Whether he aspires for his own standard of living income int he future or a higher standard of living, there can still be perceived to be some advantage in maintaining an income and/or lifestyle that had already been established, and I personally consider that my own formulations of "living off" a bitcoin stash in a sustainable way, there would be a sufficient accounting for the cost of living increases too, whether those cost of living increases are going up 3% per year, 10% per year or some other amount... so even if we might consider a cost of living increase of 6% per year, then year 1 would be $80k, year 2 would be $84.8k, year 3 would be $89.89k, year 4 would be $95.28k, etc. etc. etc.

So right now we can see that a guy who has 16.696 bitcoin is at the threshold level to produce time-based sustainable withdrawal of $80k per year, and so he already has a lot of options, even if he has not quite reached that level, since if he might not be ready to start to withdraw then he might be able to project out a timeline in which he could start to engage in time-based withdrawal, and let's say for example, he has accumulated slightly more than 11 bitcoin, so he tentatively projects out that within about 2 years 10BTC will be enough for his $80k per year income, and within another year (so that is 3 years from now) he feels that he would have enough of a cushion beyond $80k per year to start to time-based withdraw of his BTC. .. so at this time, he might project out to never go below 10 BTC, yet he might project out that he is able to discontinue putting extra money into bitcoin and perhaps even to start to engage in price-based withdrawal of his BTC.  Sure, he could also structure out that he is ONLY buying dips (and set aside money for that).. so he has considered that he has gone into a BTC portfolio maintenance stage rather than in a strict BTC accumulation, so if the BTC price goes down he is accumulating more, and if the BTC price goes up, he has a schedule for selling within his overaccumulation (anything that he considers beyond 10 BTC), and he considers that he has reached overaccumulation status that justifies his moving from overaccumulation to a kind of maintenance that involves price based sustainable withdrawal.

Hopefully, I am not making this too confusing, even though I am trying to justify that reaching overaccumulation status may well be at different points in time for price-based sustainable withdraw or even BTC portfolio maintenance which might not quite be at fuck you status, and at the same time, surely having more of a BTC quantity cushion gives more options regarding how to stay above quantities that are determined to be enough or more than enough... which then may also free up some money for consumption rather than continuing to invest into bitcoin with new money coming from other sources, even if there might not be determinations to engage in time based sustainable withdrawal, there could be determinations to engage in price-based sustainable withdrawal (that also might be considered as attempts at portfolio maintenance).


It seems to me that any of these situations can be utilized when considering transitioning from accumulation phase to maintenance phase, which is prior to starting to withdraw from the BTC stash, so a person might want to make sure that he has enough of a cushion of overaccumulation of bitcoin prior to starting to withdraw from it.. and yeah, if he continues to have various sources of income so that he does not have to spend his bitcoin, he can still decide if he wants to continue to build up his bitcoin or to just maintain it at some level he considers as acceptable.
 

I tend to think that both lessening of accumulation aggressiveness and even the employment of something like price-based sustainable withdrawal could start before reaching fuck you status, yet surely it may be way less complicated to make sure that a guy has already reached fuck you status prior to either reducing his investment into bitcoin rate or employing any withdrawal practices, yet from my perspective, it seems more realistic that a guy is going to transition by reducing his aggressiveness in bitcoin buying since it might not seem as effective for a guy with a $50k per year income to continue to put $150 per week into bitcoin after he might have already build up his bitcoin investment up to 11 bitcoin over the prior 2-ish cycles.
 

Yeah, but isn't the DCA strategy allowing guys to tailor their BTC accumulation to their own cashflow situation... so even though we are getting BTC in the process and maybe we are keeping track of how much money we put into BTC and how many BTC we have and how that is valuated, our main advantage in DCA buying seems to revolve around our abilities to tailor our weekly (or whatever other period of buys) to our own cashflows... so even though monitoring our BTC costs and quantities and likely seeing it grow, we might not really get into any position to change our level of BTC accumulation and/or aggressiveness in regards to our bitcoin until after a whole cycle or maybe even two cycles.  Sure, even after one whole cycle, if a guy had been accumulating bitcoin by investing 15% or more of his income into bitcoin, he may well start to see that he is getting towards having 60% or more of his income invested into bitcoin, and there could some assessment regarding the extent to which the bitcoin price might have changed during that time, too... and surely also any guy who is able to front load his bitcoin investment and even get a whole year's income or more into bitcoin within the first whole cycle, then he also might find himself at a higher level of accumulation in which he is also considering the size of his BTC stash and how that might relate to any additional bitcoin buys that he might make into the future and whether he might consider either moving away from DCA and/or changing the level of his aggressiveness in terms of his bitcoin buys.
 

Yep.  Dips might not come, and so DCA is likely a better practice for the majority of available money as it comes in, even though surely there could be systems of setting aside some portion (such as 25%) of the available money for buying dips and the dip amounts could be determined in advance without being too greedy about the matter.  Surely, I am not suggesting buying the dip to be superior in any kind of way, even though some guys might feel good to set some money aside for dips that may or may not happen, even if they are mostly remaining focused on their weekly DCA buys.


You make a good point Makus.  If we stay focused on our ongoing bitcoin accumulation through ongoing buying, such as DCA, then we will be less likely to get distracted by the price, since we cannot even really know if bitcoin prices are good bad or otherwise while we are in the process of going through our BTC accumulation.. yet after 4-10 years or more of BTC accumulation, we may well be in a better place to both assess where we are at, how we got there and whether we might need to make any adjustments to our BTC accumulation and/or BTC portfolio management approach based on where we are at and perhaps even considering how we got to where we are at that time.  

Most likely we will end up thanking our past selves for being as aggressive as we were able to have had been in our bitcoin accumulation in our earlier years, so long as we were aggressive and we did not end up overdoing it and recking ourselves in the early years of our bitcoin accumulation process.


You highlight a good point Tmoonz since if guys are selling from time to time with expectations to either profit in dollars from such BTC sales or to buy back BTC cheaper, then they are most likely going to end up selling way too much of their bitcoin too soon, and then they end up in a dilemma of not having enough bitcoin but at the same time feeling locked out of buying bitcoin since they don't want to buy back higher than their earlier selling price.

So including selling into their BTC accumulation techniques ends up putting them in a wrong mindset that could have had been averted if they had stayed focused on ongoing bitcoin accumulation through buying rather than incorporating selling into their attempts to accumulate more bitcoin.


We do not need to proclaim that traders are losing money in an 8-10 year trading timeline in order to suggest that the odds are quite high that they would not have had been able to perform better than the guy who merely just bought and held bitcoin during that time.

Let's say that a guy had an income of around $30k per year over the past 10 years, and he bought $100 per week worth of bitcoin over that time.  He would have had invested right around $52.5k and he would have had accumulated right around 30 BTC.

Currently the 200-WMA valuation for 30 BTC is $1.44 million, and the spot price valuation is $3.12 million.  I have a hard time imagining a trader with a similar budget over the same period of time being able to beat those kinds of investment results.  Furthermore, personally I would suggest that there are decently good odds, based on the 200-WMA, that a person could sustainably have a withdrawal rate of $144k per year, which is nearly 5x the guys current income.


You still have to narrow down what you mean, sine we might say that any strategy of consistent buying of BTC is good, which means that guys can tailor to their own financial and psychological circumstances; however, some guys might conclude that they are smarter than everyone else and they are going to improve upon the buying strategy buy selling on the way up and buying on the way down (trading/gambling) or they are going to identify shitcoins that are profitable and they are going to invest in those and then buy bitcoin with the profits.  If left on their own, there are other financial instruments that guys might choose to use too, such as leverage and/or margin, which might end up screwing up their bitcoin accumulation progress.

I am not going to agree that all investing approaches are equal unless we are just saying that ongoing buying is a good thing, so then we just get back to DCA, since DCA is ongoing buying within a guys budget.. even if some guys might carry out their ongoing buying in different ways.  Some guys will be more aggressive and others will be more whimpy, and so they will end up with differing results, especially over 8-10 years or more.  In the short term of 1-4 years, there might not be too many BIG differences between the whimpy and the aggressive bitcoin investor, yet it is quite likely that over longer periods of 5-10 years or more, the compounding effects will start to show themselves in regards to the aggressive approach being superior to the whimpy approach.. even though some guys are still going to be more comfortable with a less aggressive and more of a whimpy approach to their bitcoin investing (accumulating) journey.


Compounding effects of being a good and hardworking student versus a student who does not work so hard is likely going to show more after several years too, and frequently it will be difficult to reverse the good versus bad results that come from the ones who build up their skills earlier in life versus those who are not ready, willing and/or able to focus.


The analogy only goes so far, since there are nature versus nurture aspects of student performance too... Some students are greater gifted than other, and also some come from more organized families than others and sure some students work harder than others. So there are a combination of factors that contribute towards positive student performance and/or life-long results that might be positive or negative.


Even though some parallels can be drawn between bitcoin investing and the performance of students, I don't really like your analogy too much, even though sure there can be consistent forms of ongoing investment that are both DCA and lump sum, and even buying the dip can be structured in consistent ways and within formulas in order to help to guide the extent to which an investor is aggressively accumulating bitcoin or whimpily doing it or not even trying to accumulate bitcoin..

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    13. 140582: gbianchi (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 2101 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. 140584: EFS (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 1487 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. 204821: Buchi-88 (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 1949 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. 216582: willi9974 (Trust: +50 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 2365 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. 252510: JayJuanGee (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 11220 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. 257071: NeuroticFish (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 5864 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. 290195: achow101 (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (14) 6095 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. 317618: nutildah (Trust: +19 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (22) 8324 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. 346731: minerjones (Trust: +135 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (19) 3036 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. 355846: yahoo62278 (Trust: +38 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (26) 3761 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. 364070: bitbollo (Trust: +17 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 3193 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. 379147: pooya87 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 10608 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. 379487: LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (21) 10457 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. 405464: mocacinno (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 4411 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. 405482: Real-Duke (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1914 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. 407174: klarki (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (0) 3519 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. 459836: LoyceV (Trust: +31 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (58) 17867 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. 487418: The Sceptical Chymist (Trust: +30 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (30) 6073 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    31. 557798: TryNinja (Trust: +14 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (11) 7757 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    32. 698159: Jet Cash (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (6) 1980 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    33. 740502: condoras (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 641 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    34. 754818: holydarkness (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (14) 1199 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    35. 805820: Lafu (Trust: +17 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (13) 3425 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    36. 830967: tweetious (Trust: +34 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 416 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    37. 889300: giammangiato (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1412 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    38. 901859: buwaytress (Trust: +25 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 3351 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    39. 914465: crwth (Trust: +3 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (0) 1041 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    40. 932931: Ale88 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 2893 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    41. 995810: hosemary (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 5896 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    42. 1000199: krogothmanhattan (Trust: +94 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (17) 3745 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    43. 1016855: JollyGood (Trust: +20 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1679 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    44. 1045971: Igebotz (Trust: +15 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (10) 1927 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    45. 1051955: roycilik (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (2) 1905 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    46. 1052091: CryptopreneurBrainboss (Trust: +19 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (15) 4596 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    47. 1067333: El duderino_ (Trust: +27 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (11) 14121 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    48. 1097370: KTChampions (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1920 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    49. 1099980: Trofo (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (15) 2799 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    50. 1137579: icopress (Trust: +73 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (32) 10410 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    51. 1164368: GreatArkansas (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 1325 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    52. 1179651: sheenshane (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1154 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    53. 1190631: JeromeTash (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (2) 1205 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    54. 1247226: logfiles (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (9) 1973 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    55. 1269497: Bitcoin_Arena (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1868 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    56. 1285450: Agrawas (Trust: +57 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 579 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    57. 1285797: GazetaBitcoin (Trust: +12 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (15) 8245 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    58. 1339716: coinlocket$ (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 1511 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    59. 1554927: bitmover (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 6626 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    60. 1634314: shahzadafzal (Trust:  neutral) (DT1! (1) 3140 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    61. 1724800: Lakai01 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 3339 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    62. 1825672: morvillz7z (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 2158 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    63. 1827294: Husna QA (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 3102 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    64. 1836948: Bthd (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 2595 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    65. 1852120: fillippone (Trust: +15 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (27) 18282 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    66. 1862043: cryptofrka (Trust: +17 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 2071 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    67. 1894120: madnessteat (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 2571 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    68. 1980983: The Cryptovator (Trust: +21 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (18) 2283 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    69. 2003859: DireWolfM14 (Trust: +19 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (18) 4952 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    70. 2015418: notblox1 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 1387 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    71. 2143453: 1miau (Trust: +5 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (20) 7255 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    72. 2344286: Little Mouse (Trust: +26 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 2777 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    73. 2363935: YOSHIE (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (17) 1810 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    74. 2497429: jokers10 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 3652 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    75. 2519096: Awaklara (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (3) 756 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    76. 2597426: efialtis (Trust: +25 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 1513 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    77. 2652924: geophphreigh (Trust: +32 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1098 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    78. 2654005: zasad@ (Trust: +2 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (8) 4878 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    79. 2658890: Rikafip (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (22) 7030 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    80. 2709122: Etranger (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1576 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    81. 2718725: Lachrymose (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 1129 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    82. 2722098: seek3r (Trust: +18 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (6) 2074 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    83. 2738899: FatFork (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 2718 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    84. 2739424: NotATether (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 8488 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    85. 2739454: Stalker22 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 1459 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    86. 2744352: bullrun2024bro (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 4941 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    87. 2776678: Charles-Tim (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 5557 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    88. 2796662: Lillominato89 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 958 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    89. 2836461: Free Market Capitalist (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (2) 2584 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    90. 3373825: paid2 (Trust: +12 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 3677 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    91. 3442614: YodasRedRocket (Trust: +29 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 629 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

DT 2
     1. 3: satoshi (Trust: +49 / =0 / -0) (7530 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. 4: sirius (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (752 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. 35: theymos (Trust: +30 / =1 / -1) (13248 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. 1268: nanotube (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. 2252: laanwj (Trust:  neutral) (30 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. 2676: casascius (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (141 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. 2759: midnightmagic (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (27 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. 2786: Pieter Wuille (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (198 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. 3380: Vladimir (Trust:  neutral) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. 3420: dooglus (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (333 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. 4171: Raize (Trust:  neutral) (24 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. 6347: Maged (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (15 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. 6447: forrestv (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (143 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. 7351: EPiSKiNG (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. 10502: SgtSpike (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (5 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. 11275: wariner (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (4 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. 11671: Kluge (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (15 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. 12089: piotr_n (Trust:  neutral) (427 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. 12459: CydeWeys (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. 13813: smooth (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (198 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Mas quando o cachorro tava bem eu não elogiava, e nem o pessoal que trabalha comigo. Tá me chamando de engenheiro de obra pronta por que então? Falta de respeito isso.

Aposto que quando você ve uma piramide tipo faraó do bitcoin você fala que é golpe desde o dia 1. Ai quando quebra você fala que avisou e alguem retruca que você é engenheiro de obra pronta e que chutar cachorro morto é facil. Eu ein. Fica em paz aí então

Eles querem pessoas que trabalharam ou trabalham na open ai, xAi, anthropic. Que são os criadores desses chatgpts claude e gemini. Quem criou essas coisas tem experiencia com o desenvolvimento de LLM e devem conseguir implementar muito bem qualquer necessidade que use IA e machine learning. Tirando isso tem quem só use LLMs ja feitas pra calcular ou organizar coisas com prompts e cadeias de processamentos

Friends, we have filled all available slots! The current block number is 899231!

We will determine the winner using the Bitmover's tool by block - 899250 🎁

 Good luck to all participants!

I'm pretty sure those hackers would qualify for political asylum if they'd step into my country. I don't think they have much of a choice, and I also don't think they see anything from the millions of dollars they steal.
I'd say cut North Korea's internet connection

Monero has been broken for about 3 years now. I don't know what they're "updating", but clearly it's not their backend Monero server....

Weekly update (2025-05-23_Fri_05.18h)


theymos' raw data (format: time    amount    msg    user_from    user_to)
Sample
Full list^* (50 MB) (not limited to 120 days, 2547 Merit transactions added since my previous update).

theymos' data (human readable format, including usernames and post titles)
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On Fri 23 May 2025 04:37:16 AM CEST, Swordsoffreedom (history) sent 1 Merit to ibminer (history) for Re: [SALE] Bitcointalk Merit Poker: Collector's Edition Deck, Stand & Chips.
On Fri 23 May 2025 04:23:34 AM CEST, alani123 (history) sent 1 Merit to _BlackStar (history) for Re: Savings and Investment, and how it can affect standard of living. .
On Fri 23 May 2025 04:16:23 AM CEST, tread93 (history) sent 5 Merit to RebelMoney (history) for Penny Orange 25up now available!.
On Fri 23 May 2025 04:04:01 AM CEST, Julien_Olynpic (history) sent 4 Merit to welik (history) for Re: Биткойн-оптимизм..
On Fri 23 May 2025 04:01:45 AM CEST, jojo69 (history) sent 1 Merit to xhomerx10 (history) for Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion.
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On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:28:54 PM CET, AdolfinWolf (history) sent 1 Merit to Lutpin (history) for Re: What is the function of the "Merit" score?.
On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:27:54 PM CET, Dahman El_Harrachi (history) sent 1 Merit to theymos (history) for Re: Forum ranks/positions/badges (What do those shiny coins under my name mean?).
On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:27:22 PM CET, Tyrantt (history) sent 5 Merit to AdolfinWolf (history) for What is the function of the "Merit" score?.
On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:27:13 PM CET, Last of the V8s (history) sent 2 Merit to Rosewater Foundation (history) for Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion.
On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:12:21 PM CET, theymos (history) sent 1 Merit to AdolfinWolf (history) for What is the function of the "Merit" score?.
Full list (527 MB)

Usernames to go with theymos' data
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0: deMerit (Bitcoin Forum) (history) earned: 0 Merit.
3: satoshi (history) earned: 7530 Merit.
4: sirius (history) earned: 752 Merit.
10: Xunie (history) earned: 1 Merit.
11: madhatter (history) earned: 5 Merit.
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3706297: Ullaa (history) earned: 1 Merit.
3706461: rraynee (history) earned: 1 Merit.
3706577: cryptopendevelopment (history) earned: 12 Merit.
3706684: groovyclam (history) earned: 1 Merit.
3707201: Papa Johns (history) earned: 1 Merit.
Full list^* (10 MB)

Usernames machine readable
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Full list (2 MB)

UserIDs, sent Merit and earned Merit machine readable
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Total number of users who received 1 or more Merit: 49752
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Full list (5 MB)

Total number of users who gave away 1 or more sMerit: 26143
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Merit per day of the week
Monday 292108 (14.22%)
Tuesday 293757 (14.30%)
Wednesday 294461 (14.33%)
Thursday 313748 (15.27%)
Friday 314554 (15.31%)
Saturday 271989 (13.24%)
Sunday 272845 (13.28%)
Total: 2053462

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Lembro que esse lance dos merits começou logo após eu virar Sr. Member, sei lá, uma semana ou duas depois, não me recordo exatamente, mas eu também fiquei um pouco confuso e desanimado, o Hero havia ficado longe do meu alcance, o Legendary então, nem se fala.

Sempre participei das campanhas Bounty, com assinaturas de Tokens/Criptomoedas, logo quando as ICOs estavam em alta, além das traduções, o @sabotag3x fez muitas também. Não tinha o hábito de fazer postagens em outras boards do fórum, a não ser na Alternate cryptocurrencies, as postagens que eu fazia aqui eram as traduções, interagia pouco com o pessoal.

A virada de chave foi exatamente isso, interagir mais, responder dúvidas, ajudar outros membros, postar notícias/informações que pudessem ser interessantes para a maioria, nem sempre conseguiremos agradar a todos. Fiquei quase uns 2 anos sem postar aqui, por questão de trabalho, clientes que consegui aqui no fórum, fazia um post ou outro somente para não ficar com a conta inativa.

Nunca pensei em desistir, afinal, aqui também é de onde tiro o “leite das crianças”, lembro que quebrei a mão e fiquei afastado do emprego, durante esse tempo não recebi nada, foi aqui que consegui manter minha família.

Como foi dito pelo @bitmover, muitas pessoas são dedicadas porque sabem que podem tirar uma renda daqui, para mim foi unir o útil ao agradável, gosto de estar aqui, de trocar ideias, gosto do ambiente das criptomoedas e blockchain, tecnologia e ainda posso ser pago por isso.

Vejo a montanha-russa do mercado subir e descer desde 2017, já nem me abalo mais.



Você está quase lá!

Seja prudente, paciente e não desista, uma hora o resultado vem e dirão que “de repente você venceu”, tem pessoas que levam 5, 10, 20 anos para esse “de repente” chegar.

I have gone back and back-tested my current formulas, and even though I like my current formulas for figuring out how much  BTC a person might need for sustainable withdrawal.  I don't really like them for figuring out when a guy might have had reached overaccumulation status.

So I am thinking that overaccumulation for starting to engage in price-based sustainable withdrawal merely has to do with creating selling formulas that are based on the bitcoin price, and so a guy is able to see that he is ONLY selling a certain portion of his BTC stash as the BTC price goes up, yet if the BTC price does not go up then he does not sell.. yet he also might not buy more either, especially if he has concluded that he has enough or more than enough for such purposes.

To be able to justify the employment of time-based sustainable withdrawal, then likely a person has to either have a higher quantity of BTC, or maybe he has come to a conclusion that he can live off of the amount based on the 200-WMA (bottom prices) in order to assure himself that he is not overly withdrawing from his BTC based on current spot prices, even though surely any sales are made at the BTC spot price and not at the 200-WMA, unless the BTC price happens to be suppressed at the time of the withdrawals.  My own formulas allow for higher level of time-based withdrawals when the BTC price is greater percentages higher than the 200-WMA as compared to lower level of withdrawals if the BTC price is at only 25% above the 200-WMA or lower, and surely my formulas even contemplate halting withdrawals if the BTC price is significantly below the 200-WMA such as 35% below the 200-WMA.. which also seems a time to be buying bitcoin rather than selling it.. or at least just HODLing through those kinds of times, if they come in the future..

I have another problem with my own situation, since when I got into bitcoin in late 2013, I had already established some variation of a sustainable passive income from other investments (not bitcoin), yet I had figured that I could invest some extra money in bitcoin, that would end up potentially serving as a back up source of funds for my already existing investments.. So then when I assessed my having had enough or more than enough bitcoin, I had measured my bitcoin holdings in light of my other non-bitcoin holdings to conclude by late 2014 that I had enough bitcoin, since I was not then going to withdraw from the bitcoin but just sit on the bitcoin, yet since the bitcoin price continued to stay down throughout 2015, I continued to accumulate more and reached overaccumulation status.. based on my then criteria, which I may well would not have reached the same assessment based on my today's criteria.. even though I cannot turn back the clocks.

I guess the punchline is that there is no real hard and fast rule to figure out the reaching of overaccumulation status - even though it seems that price-based sustainable withdrawal seems to be justifiable towards being able to start with such price-based sustainable withdrawals at lower BTC accumulation thresholds as compared with time-based sustainable withdrawals, and yeah it might not make any sense at all to begin any sustainable withdrawals if there might be some comfort with the funds coming from other places (even including a job), yet surely some folks do want to get themselves into a position to be able to either completely quit their job(s) or perhaps to at least cut back on their need to have to work for money so they can cut down on the hours of work or change the kind of work to something more enjoyable, which then the reaching of such status may well justify some forms of either discontinuing of the accumulation of BTC in such an aggressive way (or at all), or to start to withdraw from their BTC holdings to either supplement their income or perhaps to completely provide their income and hopefully in sustainable ways.


There surely is more responsibility in regards to saving coins in a private wallet as compared with a custodian holding the coins, yet a lot of the empowerment of bitcoin comes from normal people both being able to hold their coins privately and also their exercising such options.


A non-custodial wallet is another way of saying self-custodial, which is the same as a hardware wallet.  Hardware wallets are considered to fit in the category of non-custodial and/or self-custodial.

There is a certain preference that various self-custodial wallets be open source, yet it can also be confusing to have hardware wallets with secure elements claiming to be open source, since aspects of the secure element may well be closed source.  It can be difficult to figure out which wallets to recommend, and surely there is also quite a bit of self-responsibility in terms of both learning how to self-custody and how to safeguard private keys and also safeguard any back up keys... and then also be careful not to give out too much of your private key information and sometimes you may well not even want to share too much about your bitcoin storage set up, which devices you use and even the extent to which you use multi-sig and/or passphrases, while at the same time, you likely do not want to have your security so complex that you end up locking yourself out of your own coins.  sometimes even something like natural disasters may require some level of geographical separation with backups.


Fair enough if you are working on yourself, your investment approach and you are here to share information while learning. No problem with any of that.


This thread is about bitcoin here, so we are mostly not talking about crypto or shitcoins, unless to perhaps denigrate them from time to time, yet anyone wanting to talk about shitcoins and/or crypto will likely need to go to some other thread.

Anyone confusing crypto and bitcoin and/or wanting to use the term crypto to describe bitcoin-related matters will likely end up showing that they do not sufficiently understand bitcoin in order to realize that using the term crypto is not making them look any smarter, even if they might be trying to use it in some kind of artistic or creative way or perhaps as a way to try to denigrate bitcoiners.

Sure, not everyone participating in this thread understands the difference between bitcoin and/or crypto, yet many times there are members pointing out that if we are trying to stay on topic and/or to be clear in our language, then it is better to not use the term crypto when we could have had used the term bitcoin in order to make our point.

Frequently when folks use the term "crypto" and also they are trying to somehow refer to bitcoin too, they either do not understand the term that they are using, so they do not understand that bitcoin and crypto is different, and maybe they do not understand that many shitcoiners will be using the term crypto to distract and mislead folks from understanding how bitcoin is different from shitcoins, since their use of the term crypto is to try to proclaim that they are all part of some same scholarly similar category, which sure might be true in theory, yet in practice, using the term crypto to describe something including bitcoin is disingenuous, ignorant, misleading, and/or confusing.. and surely there are times when the term crypto could be used without being disingenuous, ignorant, misleading, and/or confusing... such as in some situations in which the context is made clear.


Yes.  It can take some time to unlearn bad habits.  Many of us frequently suggest focusing on bitcoin first, and then perhaps if we might have some curiousity in various shitcoins then to limit that to less than 10% of our time, energies and/or value, and surely you may have read that some guys believe that even 10% is too much to allow for shitcoins, yet I tend to be more open in regards to guys figuring out things for themselves, yet at the same time, I am not going to want to show signs that I am welcoming of shitcoin ideas, especially in a bitcoin thread like this.. . .and I largely don't even participate in the non-bitcoin sections of the forum where the shitcoin discussions are more welcomed.  So for example in a thread like this, if any of us starts to talk favorably about any particular shitcoin, then there woudl likely end up playing out some slippery slope in regards to trying to distinguish between which shitcoin might happen to be less shitty than some other shitcoin.. which surely is distracting to a bitcoin thread topic, which frequently justifies attempting to just say no to any shitcoin discussion...  
 

Sure.  I can see that as a possibility, even though I had seen some fairly strong language in your earlier post. but yeah, maybe I was reading too much into your post.. and surely some of us might also recognize various contradictions that might come out within posts and between posts, even though I am not trying to discourage you from either posting or sharing your ideas in this thread or other parts of the forum.
 

You likely realize by now, that within bitcoin threads, we are not too friendly to shitcoin discussions, even though from time to time, some aspects of shitcoins does come up in the threads, and yeah in terms of introductions, it is understandable that guys might want to be somewhat reserved in regards to overly sharing of personal details.. yet there are other forum members who are somewhat new to the forum, yet they don't share too many details about what they are doing while at the same time they are seeming to talk about various  theories in regards to what should be done and what should not be done... which those kinds of conversations can be difficult to follow too.. ... and surely, each of us have our own posting style, so I would not necessarily want to interfere with your posting style.


Oh gosh!! How can you so frequently have so many dramatic stories that go from one extreme to another... or maybe they are just playing off similar themes in terms of how to communicate with others about bitcoin.  I would think that basics in bitcoin involve trying to make sure that people are responsible for their own actions (or non-actions).. ... and I find it difficult to conclude that either starting out aggressively or deciding to invest into bitcoin aggressively is a bad idea, as  long as the person has 4-10 years or longer for their investment timeline... and yeah, there is problem with being aggressive and being overaggressive, and so surely there could have had been some folks investing into bitcoin through out 2021 expecting the price to get to $100k or more, but then the highest it got was $65k in the first half of the year and then $69k in the second half of the year.  So then they might have had been regretting all of their front loading of their investment if they ended up running out of money in 2022 and 2023.. so surely that would be a problem since anyone starting out their investment into bitcoin likely should be continuing to invest into bitcoin, yet even the ones who might have frontloaded in 2021 may well could have had gotten back into the positive in late 2023 or even somewhere in 2024.

Maybe we could use an example?  Let's say that a guy in his mid-30s in 2021 only makes around $30k per year, and so maybe over the prior 6 years (between 2015 and 2021) he had saved up and invested close to his annual salary by investing around $100 per week (which included the appreciation of the money).. and maybe he also heard about bitcoin so he wanted to continue to invest into bitcoin... yet he decided to be aggressive and then withdrew $10k to invest into bitcoin and then he continued to invest $100 per week into bitcoin.

Where would he be?  maybe he got around 0.182 BTC for his first $10k, but he continued to invest the $100 per week, so he ended up investing another $21.5k since early 2021 until now, and so he accumulated an additional 0.59 BTC.  So now his total amount invested into bitcoin is around $31.5k and he has around 0.772 BTC... That does not seem to be a bad place to be, even though he front loaded his bitcoin investment towards the top in 2021.  

0.772 BTC has a 200-WMA value of $37k and a spot price value of $81.6k.  He still likely has to keep accumulating BTC for another whole cycle or more, but he is not really in a bad place for having had stayed persistent in his buying of BTC, even if he bought his first $10k-ish towards the 2021 top.  He has invested slightly more than his annual salary into bitcoin and if the bitcoin price does a 10x (and especially if the 200-WMA does a 10x), then he will be at fuck you status for his own income level.. sure he might want an income that is higher than his current income, but he still is not in a bad place, and I personally think that he could passivley draw around $3,700 per year from his current BTC investment, yet he may want to get to a place of being able to draw $40k to $50k from it, which means just keep buying bitcoin at a similar rate as he had been doing, perhaps a whole another cycle..

Part of the key to me seems to be continuing to buy until getting to a place of comfort in which there might be an assessment to lighten up on the BTC accumulation process.

You, Wind_FURY, seem to continue to error on the side of whimpy rather than aggressive, and surely over the years I have considered a buying on the dip approach to be the more whimpy approach as compared with ongoing buying of bitcoin, and so each of us has discretion in regards to where we choose to fall in terms of our level of aggressiveness in our bitcoin investment approach.

Even though you say that this is not early 2023 anymore which was largely the bottom of the dip (yet we did not know at that time), yet I also remember you in late 2023, when the price was bouncing between upper $26ks and $2k and you were proclaiming that you were waiting for low $20ks or even sub-$20k, and you have no regrets about what ended up being your level of dumb.. since at that time the BTC price was still at or below the 200WMA, yet you were wanting more and more and more before you would buy.  Waiting for more dip is not a good BTC accumulation strategy for either folks who have no  coins or for folks who have low coins and who are still accumulating bitcoin.. which likely anyone in their first whole cycle and frequently persistent and ongoing BTC accumulation can continue through two whole cycles before a guy should be letting off or slowing down in his ongoing BTC accumulation through buying.

É que ainda estou fazendo outra mensagem para vocês que também participaram, e os que citem são Legendary, calmeeee   

nossa, agora fiquei triste 

Fui o único dos que participaram do tópico que não foi citado, será que eu posto é tão ruim assim? 

Poxa, realmente triste, será que o que penso é totalmente irrelevante assim? 

Acabei de ler todos os comentários e percebi que cada um já passou por muitas dificuldades, seja com méritos, rankings e, claro, o mais citado por vocês: o bear market.

Achei muito interessante também essa insistência em estar por aqui, não pelo dinheiro, mas sim pela vontade de aprender mais e trocar experiências. Até me deixaram orgulhosa por verem que cada um de voces, apesar das dificuldades ainda se mantem firmes e fortes no que querem e no assunto que deixam mais focados. também é importante lembrar a persistência de cada um.

Quero aproveitar pra citar esse pessoal:

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Que possamos aprender juntos e mantendo esse espaço aberto pra todo mundo que quer realmente se envolver e evoluir.

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Congratulations bitmover! These days I haven't been betting much, but I made a good trade on BetFury Futures where I wagered about $9 using 500x leverage (Btc- before price correction) and came out with a $7 profit. I don't recommend trying this at home, boys - it's money I could afford to lose.

I couldn't participate in the BetFury weekly activities, so I'll try again next week. Nice!

Não opero alavancagem. Muita gente ja falava que Terra era golpe antes de quebrar e se você analisar como ela funciona você também vai concordar comigo e com todas essas pessoas

Super respeito você não se arriscar em DAI, o problema é similar ela com a Terra sendo que a diferença é absurda e o mecanismo é totalmente diferente de A até Z

Correto, se quer ser dono do seu dinheiro e ninguem mandar em você só o bitcoin pode oferecer isso

Comparar DAI com Terra é comparar maça com banana por que as duas são frutas. Terra tinha lastro nela mesma tipo esquema de piramide e DAI tem lastro em USDC e ETH que é liquido e tem mercado.

ia comentar justamente isso
DAI, USDe e outras stablecoins novas podem funcionar bem no quesito proteção de forma descentralizada sem congelamentos
alguém ja ouviu falar de congelamentos nelas?

ambas são muito diferentes da terra luna, sobre-colateralizadas, não algorítmicas
a boa é fugir das algorítmicas

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That’s true due to the small fees altcoins are usually the best for stuff like this ( minus etherium )  but doge , LTC  and polygon , fees are really encouraging, and also have good speed too . Like then I was using LTC and BNB to deposit in platforms and it literally save a lot of fees .

Amazing and congrats @bitmover.



Exactly and provably that he might get different result especially if his bankroll will get drained more faster.

We can see that the person is so lucky to hit such huge figures. Its so rare to happen but at least we already see something like that happens.

Can't imagine how many attempts he made before he hit that lucky shot and win big.

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You talk a BIG game by suggesting that it would be a good idea to fuck around with all of your stash in order to potentially to be able to pick up a few nickles in front of a steam roller.

Perhaps the reason you are still trading after around 14 years in bitcoin.  Many of us learned - quite some time back - that trading bitcoin tends to not work out very well..


I don't see  how their needs to be so much emphases in certain targets needing to be met at certain dates.  For some reason I am not worried...  I don't see any urgency.


You could have had bought 3.125 bitcoin for a decent amount of time between February 2018 and October 2020.. perhaps for around $25k or less (for right around $8k each or less). 

Right now with $106k-ish spot price bitcoin, a guy who had bought 3.125 BTC in 2018, 2019 or 2020 would be right around $306k in profits in regards to spot price (that is 3.125 BTC X $106k  = $331,250 - $25k-ish for the initial costs)...and even if we were to use the 200-WMA (bottom prices) for our valuation of our BTC holdings, we would still be $125k-ish in profits.

Tá de boa, como eu disse... foi só mais um desafio superado que quero deixar pra trás.


Fato! Tu és mais um da mesma turma que eu... quando tudo já era desafiador o suficiente metem pra cima da gente um "sistema de merits" bem no meio de nossa jornada e acaba por deixar nossa jornada ainda mais complicada, mas superamos... hoje somos "legendários"
Não desanimar e se manter na ativa por mais algumas décadas, fazer valer à pena esse esforço até o ponto em que os dedos ficarem calejados.


Mas é igual ladrão... tem os "batedor de carteira" que caem logo, e tem também os "especialistas" que no início até fazem tudo com esperteza, mas com o tempo vão ganhando confiança, relaxando e uma hora cometem um descuido (ou vários) e aí não importa se é um Newbie ou Member, o chicote dos DT estala.


E as que estão aqui só pra interagir e falar de tudo? Até agora não sei ainda qual é minha área... gosto de discutir sobre tudo, principalmente quando há alguma novidade qualquer relacionada ao Bitcoin ou então quando há um desafio/missão envolvida. Uma vez eu até tentei ir pro lado da análise técnica de mercado (trade) mas não vingou, só quebrei a cara e quase a minha banca
Sem assunto específico, apenas uma discussão interessante de Bitcoin onde eu possa meter os dedos e participar já é motivo para eu ficar na ativa. E falando nisso, o projeto do wiki morreu será? já pulou pra página 2 

Eu iria comentar a mesma coisa

Só porque ambas são "criptos" não quer dizer que elas possam ser equiparadas à ponto de Dizer que o Bitocin é melhor do que um stablecoin.
Um única diferença "nada sutil" difere elas: O Bitcoin nesse caso é totalmente descentralizado, enquanto a outra tem a emissão e o controle das moedas totalmente centralizados sob contratos inteligentes que dão ao "proprietário" o poder praticamente ilimitado para congelar moedas de quem quiser e quando quiser sob ordens judiciais, fraudes ou qualquer outra coisas que eles considerarem serem o melhor.

Os casos que você, @mikel_012, citou não são isolados... em 2022 teve o colapso da FTX e esse acho que deve ter sido o maior congelamento da história.

Mas pra quem é entendedor do assunto, me fica uma dúvida: eu sei que existem Stables descentralizadas como a DAI e uma outra lá da Cardano, elas são confiáveis? Não por esse problema de controle mas sim de liquidez e estabilidade de valor com a sua FIAT relacionada.

We don't know what's the real score between IMF and El Salvador. But in case, El Salvador just need to follow the protocol of IMF so they can loan money or of that sort. But I believe, they are still pro-btc no matter what.

True, BTC can either dip or not we can’t 100% be accurate on that, but what we should try understanding is every dip or price BTC appears to be is definitely a buying opportunity if we get the long term picture..
Based on my understanding Bitcoin does not reward those who panic, it rewards those who stay patient and keep adding to their bag. Whether it’s $70K or $110K or right now at $105K, what really matters is that we should keep buying consistently and keep building our bag. I learnt this and would keep accumulating BTC for the next years to come..

We should know this is not just about short term price moves, it is about being part of something much bigger. Also Dan Held said, there will always be dips. The ones who come out on top are not the smartest traders, they’re the ones who stay committed and keep accumulating over time.

So yeah, keep buying every dip and price you find BTC and keep hodling. That’s how we WIN.

Exato. Alias, eu normalmente quando faço isso, no primeiro post que faço coloco a tradução local e em inglês. Assim, espero evitar mal entendidos, até com relação ao que eu quero dizer.

Depois, na sequencia da conversa, provavelmente já não coloco em inglês.

Personally, I have a hard time imagining how most normies could be close to their investment target in merely 2 years, unless they had been able to really front load their bitcoin investment, perhaps taking from other investments that they might have had at the time, or some other funds that happened to have had been available...

So let me attempt to describe a situation in which a person might be close to reaching their investment target in 2 years or less.  Let's say that a person has an income of around $30k per year, and so they would regularly be able to invest $150 per week into bitcoin if they were vary aggressive and investing around 25% of their income into bitcoin, and if their target is to get to a point in which they could potentially draw an income of $50k per year off of their bitcoin investment, then it could take quite a bit more than 2 years for them to get enough bitcoin.

So let's say that around the beginning of 2023, they figured out that they need to heavily invest into bitcoin, and perhaps they had various investments in various other assets, so their total investment portfolio added up to around $60k, yet they decided to take half of that and invest into bitcoin, and then they would invest $150 per week into bitcoin from their regular income...   so $30k in early 2023 might have had been able to get them right around $20k per coin if they had been extremely lucky, which would be right around 1.35 BTC, and then their accumulation of $150 per week would have had gotten them around $16.7k additional money invested and perhaps slightly less than 0.4 BTC.

So if we add up these kinds of optimistic (and greatly aggressive) totals we have nearly $47k invested and right around 1.75 BTC.  Surely not a bad place to be, but still seemingly quite a ways from being able to support a $50k per year income.  From my perspective, 1.75 bitcoin would be able to sustainably support around $8.4 k per year income based on its $84k 200-WMA value and in spite of its having a current spot price value of around $189k.

Surely, such an aggressive BTC accumulation would be on the right path, yet there still may be a need to continue to aggressively accumulate BTC for another 4 years, which I would not proclaim as being "close to reaching their investment target."

Sure, you could have had created much more modest investment targets, or maybe you have some other formulas for figuring out when you have reached (or you are coming close to reaching) your investment targets. I  have my doubts in regards to the timeline, and even amongst the most aggressive of BTC accumulation targets being able to get close to their investment targets in less then 4-6 years.

You don't need to give away your specifics, yet I would still be curious how you consider anyone who has been potentially aggressively investing into bitcoin to be getting close to their BTC accumulation targets.  I suspect that you are getting distracted by BTC spot prices rather than meaningful ways to attempt to evaluate where you are at as compared with where you would like to get.  And, I am not even attempting to impose my own values and/or targets upon you, but instead theorizing about some possible reasonable targets that any normie might attempt to create ant hen to follow through with in the event that he was planning on investing into bitcoin rather than trying to trade it.


You seem to be describing someone with a trading mindset and/or plans rather than someone who has an investment mindset.


I would suggest that investors are not selling any bitcoin until they have assessed themselves as having had reached a status of overaccumualtion, so then if they sell any bitcoin then they are only selling from the overaccumulated portion and without any intentions of necessarily being able to buy back.


In summary, sure it is possible that BTC prices might dip more from here, yet they might not... so any low coiners or no coiners should be focusing on buying bitcoin persistently, consistently, regularly, ongoingly and perhaps even aggressively, whether or not there might be further dips from here (currently in the last 4-5 hours bouncing in the lower $106ks).

o primo de um amigo meu já teve mais de 50 bitcoin e hoje em dia tem uma pequena fração desse valor
acho que ficar se prendendo ao passado faz com ele fique mais triste

(melhor ter e perder ou nunca ter tido?)

agora, nada de errado com vender uma parte dos seus bitcoin se recebesse uma bolada absurda dessa, a questão é sempre: vender e comprar o que?
dificilmente algo performa melhor que o btc num horizonte de tempo longo o suficiente

Sem dúvida. Até os ativos mais conservadores, com esse valor de investimento, dariam um bom retorno.

O problema é que muitos viam esse dinheiro e simples não iriam fazer nada minimamente inteligente para garantir uma rentabilidade constante ou futura. Mas isso já é outro questão.

dewez has a new pair of shoes (looks down)!

Thank you for sharing your approach!  For now, we’ll continue with our manual process.

Thanks again.

Yes they are buying more and it seems that they don't have any plan to stop despite of IMF suggestion that they should stop purchasing Bitcoin.

Also maybe this site would answer your question about their aim on Bitcoin https://elsalvadorinfo.net/bitcoin-adoption-in-el-salvador-a-transformational-journey/

For many good things happen on Bitcoin now for sure that El Salvador would just ignore IMF since for sure that they don't want to miss something especially that they know Bitcoin future is so promising.

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Preencher estes requisitos não é fácil. Mas, claramente eles querem atrair os melhores para o seu meio.

Sim, acaba por ser uma boa definição.

Com base nessa definição, eu pergunto: se tivesse esse valor em BTC, começava a vender para mudar algo?

As vezes até é difícil de pensar o que faria se eu tivesse 20BTC.

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It seems recently el salvador just added more bitcoin into their stash, truly fascinating move.

Don't know what el salvador is aiming though but the fact that el salvador has profited so hard from bitcoin means they are conscious enough to keep holding onto bitcoin.

It seems in this case, el salvador just gonna ignore IMF outright.

De fato isso é algo pra pouquíssimos, ou você precisa explicar a melhor a definição de "morar", "casa" e "patrimônio".
Pois tem muitos famosos com mansões/triplex/coberturas/fazendas que valem mais do que 10% de seu patrimônio se desconsiderarmos o que ela ainda tem de carros, lanchas/iates e jatinhos, ou isso também contaria como patrimônio. E ter uma "casa" dessas apenas para passar uma semana na praia é o conceito de "morar"? Sendo no restante do tempo ela dorme sobre um dos diversos outros imóveis que tem ou então uma casa alugada.

Quem é rico e investe bem o seu dinheiro sabe que mais vale a pena manter o dinheiro bem investido e morar de aluguel do que gastar dinheiro em um imóvel que irá valorizar bem menos (ou até depreciar) e ainda ficar "amarrado" à ele.

Mas, se você se refere à uma casinha simples porém confortável na praia ou então no interior de uma cidadezinha, vivendo de forma sossegada e tranquila sem aparentar luxo para a bandidagem, só apreciando a natureza... aí sim, eu concordo contigo. Isso é ser rico.

If they are going to print their way then inflation will also rise which means that 5% dividends may have less valuable  in the end.

So much cuontries been dumping their treasuries and that image above seem to have skipped China. AFAIK China was in the headline for dumping US treasury bonds which its them who hold most of their bond treasuries during that time. I could be that China was omitted because they are done with it already long before these countries started.

Não quis dizer que eu iria fazer isso, não tenho motivos para tal. Só apontei algo que me veio a mente quando li essa discussão. Entendo a questão de nativos mas será que isso não fica aceitável quando é uma discussão em línguas próximas? Supondo como PT BR e PT PT, há sotaques e palavras diferentes mas que um tradutor ou ia podem diminuir essa distancia e ficar algo aceitável.

o modelo deles não é pegar empréstimos, pensar assim ignora toda a parte tecnológica de criação e segurança do token USDT em diversas chains
nada mais justo do que eles ganharem bem por isso, tiveram uma sacada absurda
fora toda a burocracia regulatória que os caras tem que passar.


tether fatura mais por empregado do que o only fans, só não fatura mais que a hyperliquid se não me engano
pode ter certeza que eles pagam salários bem competitivos


tava tendo essa conversa justamente hoje
selic a mais de 14%, qual será a inflação real? definitivamente maior que a divulgada, mas menor ou maior que a selic? (talvez seja assunto pra abrir outro tópico até)

Depois a taxa paga por comprar/vender moeda estrangeiras iria compensar?

Talvez compense se for valores altos, valores baixo não... Digo eu.

Acho que isso pode gerar algum ganho de merits indevido por essas abas mais abastardas não? Basta usar um tradutor ou algo assim e ir recebendo merits por realizar comentários, a chance de receber é bem maior do que em qualquer outro lugar

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O valor real ou o inflacionado por causa da bolha imobiliária? 

Se for o valor real, não me consideraria rico - podia ficar perto, mas ainda não.
Se for o valor inflamado, sim já poderia me considerar rico.

Outro dia vi um exemplo contrário disso.. dizia que você só deveria gastar 5% de seu patrimônio ao comprar um carro..

Dado que um carro popular novo está no mínimo R$ 70k, a pessoa deveria ter 1,4kk talvez essa conta faça sentido nos EUA ou outro país, sem chance aqui no Brasil.

Gostei do exemplo da casa, faz sentido.. também é fácil imaginar quanto renderia o aluguel de 10 imóveis iguais para ter uma noção mínima de rendimentos.

Achas mesmo a melhor definição?

Bem, se alguém que vive num casa da favela que vale uns 20.000 reais. Se conseguir juntar 0.3BTC será rico, é isso?

Acho que é diferente de usar um cartão de credito/débito.

Quando usas o cartão, esta a fazer uma conversão de BTC > fiat.
Neste caso, se a loja pedir 0.001BTC e tu pagas em BTC, não ocorre nenhuma conversão.

Porque é que deverias pagar um imposto de ganho de capital?

Algumas vezes, visando a longevidade da campanha, o gerente remove alguns membros (seguindo os seus próprios critérios) de acordo com o orçamento da campanha. Mas você está indo muito bem e evoluindo gradativamente. Continue contribuindo e em breve você estará em uma nova campanha, sempre surge oportunidades para Full Member. Quando menos esperar, já estará como Hero!

Nossa, de vez em quando acesso essas campanhas passadas e fico chocado com os valores que pagavam na época e quando o BTC custava muuuito barato. Assim como o joker_josue eu fiquei um bom tempo fora e perdi muitas oportunidades.

Campanhas atualizadas!