Por mim, não vai fazer diferença nenhuma!!!
Eu usava ela no início para gerenciar a minha NanoS, mas logo que vi que estavam transformando aquilo em uma "exchange" e abrindo funcionalidades para outros recursos, fiquei com um pé atrás e com isso comecei a utilizar ela integrado à Electrum para transações mais simples. Até porque eu havia parado de ficar instalando e removendo wallets dela.

Enfim.... a função de swap pode ser cômoda, mas as taxas de lá não me agradam

O equipamento também não vai parar de funcionar. O novo software é que já não o suporta.

Enfim, são normais esses ciclos. Julgo que eles nunca dizerem que iriam dar suporte para sempre. Nem eles nem as outras empresas da área.

Se a tecnologia vai evoluindo é o equipamento está parado e não pode evoluir, mais cedo ou mais tarde, vai deixar de ser viável a sua utilização.

Where did you see the information about fees? The website doesn't mention the fee charged during the swap process, or it may have appeared at some point during the exchange and I didn't pay attention.

In my case, I exchanged LTC for ETH, I could withdraw ETH directly from the CEX, but I would have to pay an absurd amount in ETH network fees, convert ETH to LTC and then withdraw it to my wallet, then converting LTC to ETH on CCE seemed more advantageous than withdrawing ETH directly from CEX.

I'm not saying that the fee doesn't matter, like any service in its initial stage, it can improve by listening to user feedback.

2.5% is much cheaper than losing 100% on a centralized exchange dump

2.5% is a high, but it may be acceptable, plus a lot depends on what exchange rate that 2.5% is.

I am more of a supporter of lower fees being regular, not only for certain users. Maybe there is already a discount for users of some other platform, which would force me to use some other forums that I'm not even interested in.

I don't think they will go that far as supporting Taproot and Silent Payments. Besides, if those two features are important to someone, there are better software choices than a multicurrency wallet like Coinomi. A Bitcoin-only wallet would be a better choice. However, all this is pretty experimental still, with some wallets being in beta and others offering only sending but not receiving capabilities.

Coinomi was allegedly open-source up until 2016/2017. They claim to have gone closed-source to "protect their users from getting scammed." I managed to find this tweet of theirs that mentions it. I am sure there are older references.

Onde você leu isso?

Pelo que entendi vai continuar funcionando normalmente.

This is not encouraging information. AML verification is one of the reasons why the use of this exchange is being considered at all. I would not be surprised if the problem is that they have few people available for user support, and the AML check additionally requires the time and work of the operator, because it involves manual work.

I compared their pair rate to Binance, and I must say that it is quite competitive, especially when you take into account the ease of exchange and the avoidance of withdrawal fees.

Olha... ue entendo os dois lados

Pra quem gosta de "brincar" com cripto, ter um limitador de 2 coins na ledger é muuuuito chato.
A HW foi feita pra trazer segurança sem abrir mão da comodidade, pois conhemos que nem mesmo uma Nano S custou barato, certo? Aí precisar ficar instalando e desinstalando APP sempre que você for usar é chato pra caramba... eu passei por isso quando a minha começou a ter essa limitação e entendo a frsutração.

Por outro lado... entendo também que é possível manter a Ledger apenas como um "cofre" para armazenar o valor mais grosso. Instala nela a wallet X e põem $ 1kk lá, bota a Y e mais $ 5kkk , intala depois a Z e guarda os 10kkkkk 

Por fim, deixa em uma hotwallet no PC um saldinho pra brincar diariamente, sem precisar ficar colocando a mão na ledger.
Ah não é legal? Bom... nesse caso então tu vai precisar por a mão no bolso e comprar algo mais atualizado.
A tecnologia hoje evolui rápido, e para um dispositivo que já completou quase 10 anos, não se pode exigir muito, não é?

Mas, isso foi o que falamos antes.

O problema esta sempre, no momento da venda, nunca na compra.

Se nunca comprou, como tem DEPIX? Se comprou uma quantidade, e vendeu mais tarde o dobro, como conseguiu esse DEPIX?
Se é 1:1, nunca há lucro ou ganho.

Mas, nesse caso, é o cidadão vai ter de explicar. Como vai fazer isso? Já é outra conversa...

Como as regras de consenso podem afetar a Ledger não atualizada? O que faria o Electrum deixar de permitir ligar à Ledger e confirmar transações?




É preciso que a Electrum, simplesmente diga que já não aceita as transações aprovadas pela Ledger.
A minha pergunta é: o que levaria a Electrum não aceitar isso?

Cada wallet é independente, logo usar a wallet (desatualizada) da Ledger, só afeta essa wallet. E como sempre vai haver garantias de utilização de todos os endereços, vai continuar-se a usar tudo normal.



Sinceramente, não vejo nada logico de isso possa vir acontecer. Mas, talvez me esteja a escapar algo raciocínio...

A Electrum vai continuar atualizar-se, mas isso não significa que ela não continua a suportar uma versão antiga de alguma hardware wallet.
Só se essa wallet tornar-se um perigo para o Electrum, coisa que é extremamente improvável.

Agora, se a Ledger caso não seja atualizada, deixa de suportar algum novo tipo endereço, isso é outra questão. Mas, isso depois já é uma questão de cada utilizador.
Consegues usar o tipo de endereços que suportar na altura, os outros não.

Mas, de certa forma é isso que já acontece. A maioria das wallet suportam todos os tipos de endereço, mas algumas hardware wallet mais antigas e que foram descontinuadas, provavelmente alguns não suportam. Apesar de seguirem a funcionar.


Eu nem tenho a app da Ledger instalada, por isso tem de haver uma mudança radical, para eventualmente pensar em fazer alguma atualização.

Eles devem declarar que venderam uma stablecoin, ao pessoa X.

Sendo uma token cripto, devem ter o mesmo enquadramento fiscal. Não será!?

Acredito que continuará funcionando.. deem uma olhada nesse trecho: "desenvolver no Ledger Nano S™ permanece tecnicamente possível usando os recursos disponíveis em nosso portal de desenvolvedores, que permanecerão atualizados"

Imagino que continuará funcionando mesmo se surgir um novo tipo de endereço (tipo aqueles resistentes à computação quântica) ou outra atualização grande.. maior problema é com altcoins que atualizam toda hora.

Só se for a própria Electrum que deixe de dar suporte ao que já suporta.
Porque se a Nano S hoje funciona, mesmo que a pessoa não atualize mais nada para a frente do tempo. Por isso, tem de ser o lado da Electrum a mudar as coisas, para deixar de suportar "tecnologia anterior". Coisa, que não estou a ver eles fazerem.

FWIW, http://web.archive.org/web/20180611023059/https://github.com/Coinomi/coinomi-android shows that Coinomi used to publish source code for Coinomi Android version. But since it's just page snapshot and that repository no longer exist, i can't verify what kind of license they used to apply.

Thank you so much!

We are always honest with our users.

Waiting for you again

Best regards,
CCECash team.
Think big. Exchange wisely.

Here are the answers to your questions:
1. CCE Cash will automatically recognize the transaction
2. If you deposit multiple amounts in a single order, you can contact online customer service for help.

Two things are important: whether the exchange recognizes the incoming transaction and how the service behaves in case of two transactions in the same order.

The FAQ does not say too much about similar situations, but it refers to the support contact to possibly start the transaction manually in case the order has expired.

Coinomi needs to be open source again, I still don't know why they haven't made that decision yet, if I don't remember, they had promised, right?

In addition, the wallet needs to add p2tr addresses support and silent payments for Bitcoin.

I've used coinomi a lot in the past!

I am ready to fill the empty slot 

I remember a bit of time that you were doing a kind of DCA with your paypel membership when they first started to allow purchases of bitcoin through their app.

Another thing that I was thinking is that anyone might want to try to reach a target accumulation of BTC.. then maybe they could do daily purchases of BTC..

if they might be able to figure out how much money that they might be able to spare every day, to figure out their budget.

So, for example, if a guy were to want to try to accumulate a whole bitcoin (or as well as he can within a year) and maybe he estimates that he might be able to buy every day and maybe he predicts that the average BTC price for the next year will be around $135k for the whole year, so then maybe he would have to buy $370 worth of bitcoin every single day.. and then see where he is at during the year... but then if he thinks that maybe his cashflow is not good enough  to shoot for $370 per day, and maybe the best that he could do would be $40 per day.. and then that might get him slightly more than 0.1 BTC after a whole year of buying $40 per day.

He can ONLY do what he can do, and even live with the consequences, since last year if he had bought $40 per day worth of bitcoin, he would have had invested right around $14.64k, and he would have had gotten twice as much BTC.. right around 0.2 BTC for the past year at $40 per day.

Some of us remember buying 0.2 BTC for right around $50 in 2015.,. so it is kind of funny that right now in the past year it would have had taken right around $40 every day in order to accumulate the same 0.2 BTC.. and in the future, perhaps the next year, $40 per day is likely ONLY going to get you right around 0.1 BTC.


Have you gotten enough BTC Wakate so that you are ready for UP?  Of course, you have been a member of the forum for 4 years, so it could be possible that you got enough BTC during that time.. perhaps? perhaps?  In recent times, i had been getting the sense that it is becoming more and more difficult to get enough BTC within ONLY one cycle.. even though historically, it likely had ended up easier to accomplish (in retrospect), yet I will also admit that my standards for evaluating enough has also changed through the years.

In any event, you must admit that it feels pretty good to make it through a whole cycle..... so there is some accomplishment in that, even if you might still be accumulating bitcoin.. perhaps?

I am going to proclaim that there could have had been some guys who might have had been able to come to bitcoin in mid 2021 and start accumulating bitcoin and then perhaps step up the level of aggressiveness through 2023. and then in those kinds of circumstances it is possible that such guys could have had gotten enough bitcoin in terms of their financial circumstances and goals.

Just for shits and giggles, let me outline a scenario of a hypothetical guy (using western standards) who I might imagine might have had been able to accumulate enough BTC during that time starting in June 2021, and perhaps his goal was to try to achieve a passive income from his bitcoin of at least $80k per year... . yet my example ends up needing a bit of front loading for it to work, especially if attempting to achieve "enough" within 4 years.

So I will proclaim that in late 2020, this hypothetical guy was in his mid to late 40s, and maybe he was making around $100k per year and perhaps investing for around the prior 15 years (since 2006-ish), so by the time we got to late 2020, he had been fairly successful within his parameters since he had built up an investment portfolio of around $600k with maybe half of his investment portfolio within various employer 401k/retirement fund assets and then perhaps the other half $300k in other assets such as business and real estate that may not be very liquid... but still contributing to his financial resources.

So maybe we put the guy into a bit of a mindset that in late 2020 and maybe even into early 2021, the guy started to get worried about what he had seen happening in 2020 and it was starting to sink in for him  that there was a lot of precariousness in the whole debt-based fiat system, which got him looking into a variety of investments including gravitating into bitcoin.. which got him to consider whether he should allocate and/or build in bitcoin... or at least include it as one of his investment allocations.  He might have even started to gravitate towards some potentially aggressive bitcoin investing ideas and he figured that from a combination of his various investments and his income, he might be able to put together around $150k to $250k to invest in bitcoin in the coming years, but he was not exactly sure how he could garner all of that from his income and from taking out of some of his investments, so he was thinking that from his various resources he could figure out a way to target investing into bitcoin around $32k for the next 6 months, and he might be able to continue to have that investment pace going and to continue to investigate into bitcoin at the same time and consider if he might be able to add more to the investment at various points in time.. but he would see how it goes.. while he is investing fairly aggressively and doing some reallocating and just giving some priority to bitcoin during this time.. .so then maybe the DCA portion of his investment ends up something like this:

Date   $ invested   BTC Accum   $ Run total   BTC run total   200-WMA value                 BTC spot value              200WMA             Spot              Difference
12/1/21   $32,400    0.7324               $32,400    0.7324                   $13,060.16                    $41,754.86                       $17,832             $57,011          3.197117541
3/15/22   $20,000    0.504159314        $52,400    1.236559314           $25,223.34                    $49,054.31                       $20,398             $39,670          1.94479851
6/1/22   $32,400    0.79681                 $84,800    2.033369314           $44,980.16                    $64,795.35                       $22,121             $31,866          1.440531622
12/1/22   $32,400    1.5                        $117,200    3.533369314           $85,323.80                    $60,728.02                       $24,148             $17,187          0.711735962
12/12/22   $20,000    1.16952225        $137,200    4.702891565           $114,063.93                    $80,424.15                       $24,254             $17,101          0.705079575
6/1/23   $32,400    1.43                       $169,600    6.132891565           $161,558.76                    $167,090.63                       $26,343             $27,245          1.034240595
6/17/23   $20,000    0.759676378         $189,600    6.892567942           $182,777.12                    $181,460.64                       $26,518             $26,327          0.992797345
12/1/23   $32,400    1.1                      $222,000    7.992567942           $232,407.89                    $301,415.72                       $29,078             $37,712          1.296925511
2/9/24   $20,000    0.44113106          $242,000    8.433699002           $259,892.87                    $382,367.05                       $30,816             $45,338          1.471248702
6/1/24   $32,400    0.61062                  $274,400    9.044319002           $318,613.27                    $610,265.42                       $35,228             $67,475          1.915379812
12/1/24   $32,400    0.49197                 $306,800    9.536289002           $396,738.23                    $920,375.86                       $41,603             $96,513          2.319856741
6/1/25   $32,400    0.38                       $339,200    9.916289002           $475,595.14                    $1,038,116.46                       $47,961             $104,688          2.182773503


Note for all of the numbers in the above table, I get them from plugging the dates and proposed purchase quantities into these two websites:  
1) https://dcacryptocalculator.com/bitcoin/?start_date=2024-10-01&finish_date=2025-04-01&regular_investment=1200&currency_code=USD&investment_interval=weekly&exchange_fee=2
2) https://bitcoindata.science/withdrawal-strategy

So of course, 2021 had two BTC price peaks, but this hypothetical guy did not know how the BTC price was going to play out at around that time, and perhaps he was thinking that the BTC price could go to $100k or further in 2021 and 2022, so he had started investing into bitcoin in about May 2021 with a 6-month authorization of $32k ($1,200 per week), and at various points along the way, I have this particular guy injecting an additional $20k in March 2022, December 2022, June 2023 and March 2024.  I think that the whole budget is totally reasonable based on the guy's income, the guy's already existing investments and also based on reasonable expectations to inject more value into bitcoin within a budget that would be possible for a guy with such an income.

Even with the level of aggressiveness that this hypothetical guy had chosen to employ, we can see from the chart that the guy had just accumulated just shy of 10 BTC, and it is not quite enough for his goal to be able to start to passively withdraw sustainably at a rate of $100k per year, even though I would argue that based on the 200-WMA valuation, such accumulated amount of BTC would be capable of sustainably withdrawing at a rate of $47.6k per year, and likely within a couple more years the quantity of BTC already accumulated would likely be able to start to sustainably support an income of $100k per year - even without any more investment into the fund and just by allowing the fund to sit and to continue to compound in value, especially measuring from the 200-WMA.


I suppose it could be possible to be successful in terms of selling some BTC in 2025 and then buying back in 2026, especially for any of us who may well have options and also we might not even be selling so much BTC as to take ourselves out of overaccumulation status.

Part of my problem is if guys actually expect any guarantee that they will be able to buy back cheaper.. so in regards to selling, there could be some situations in which buying back cheaper is not achievable, so in that regards there is some needs not to sell too much.

Regarding the not selling any more after 2028 that seems like quite the fiat way of managing holdings and even perceiving that it is prudent to take out value in fiat rather than merely just planning to regularly take out value from BTC while keeping most of the value in BTC rather than keeping it in fiat.  From my perspective, there seems to be an already planned scaredness (scared-i-cat-i-ness) to keep most of the value in BTC...

Even though I believe that I am perceiving BTC management differently, I can concede that it is not unreasonable to take large chunks of fiat value out of BTC at various points in time...and even spreading out such anticipated withdrawals to be once every 4 years or something like that.. but from my perspective, proclaiming never again needing to withdraw from BTC (such as after 2028) seems a strange way of conceptualizing future BTC management.

O que eu acho bem legal é quando os merit sources (você bitmover, Ninja e agora o Joker Josue) dão 2 merits, porque não é só a questão de ganhar os 2 merits, mas aí fico com 1 merit para distribuir automaticamente, sem precisar esperar outro merit para ficar na proporção ganha 2 e pode distribuir 1

Mês que vem já deve constar os merits do Joker e os merits devem aumentar por aqui
Nossa aba ficou muito boa agora com os 3

Its been updated. Cheers!


Yep, I wil be very surprised if Nigerian local doesn't end up at the top before end of the year.


Fucking chatgpt game me shit load of usses. I usually use grok for the tables but for whatever reason it was down when i was mking it so I had to use that crap. It will be sorted asap.



True, and its a proof how all you need are few new members to liven up the board drastically.



I thought so too, but some time ago (like last year) someone wrote that's not entirely true and that they managed to access bitcointalk with russian IP so I have no idea what's the current situation.

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   459. 2514450: rxalts (Trust: +24 / =0 / -0) (353 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
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   480. 2716064: RYR (Trust:  neutral) (32 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
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Na Europa os juros também vão descer um pouco. É capaz de haver uma paragens de descidas nos próximos meses, mas por agora ainda baixa um pouco.

Então, isso realmente abre espaço para os investidores começarem a voltar a investir em ativos mais atrativos.

Estas quase apanhar o theymos 

Eu nos últimos 30 dias, dei mais do que tu. 
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsend
Acho que não estou nada mal.

The guy is doing perfectly well, I love and admire his level of his aggressiveness, and yeah he could get 4.5 bitcoin if he continues accumulating weekly with $100 it may take a little longer to reach that but with 4 to 5 years with a little bit of his aggressive attitude I think he will get there, reaching a particular level or stage in one's Bitcoin investment just needs determination and consistency, I remember when I started my Bitcoin investment I was confused on how to go about it and also thinking how far it is for me to get to my desired level in Bitcoin investment however i just decided to be determine and consistent and today I'm getting closer to my goal.

Yeah you are right JJG he also did have a relatively bad (not so good) BTC purchase towards the top of the 2017 market, this may be as a result of not having a backup funds, an investor may be so determined and consistent with his or her investment but along the line for some time or season stop accumulating because he or she wants to solve or settle an emergency that came up, but with a backup funds you can solve your emergency without it obstructing your accumulation process.

Nano s operates on BOLOS on top of which are various apps tailored to specific cryptocurrencies. One of those app is Bitcoin app. The latter may be updated periodically by developers to accommodate new developments, such as changes in blockchain scripts or enhancements in security protocols. Thus, if the nano s is discontinued, Bitcoin app on the device may become outdated. As a result, wallet is likely to lose compatibility with soft clients ^{like Electrum, Sparrow, and others, not to mention to Ledger Life} , turning the device into a brick. So, you might want to consider acquiring new wallet and moving your stash.

P.S. I would  recommend  Passport Core.

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Ak! Talvez eu tenho sido infeliz ao usar a palavra "neutro", mas a indiferente da palavra correta, a definição queeu quis encontrar do Brasil era exatamente essa que o Joker deixou:

É tipo "ficar em cima do muro" ou pender para o lado que se está mais favorável no momento ou que vá minimizar os riscos para si próprio.
É errado? Talvez, mas acho que para um país que não possui capacidades de se defender por conta própria, essa realmente seja a melhor "estratégia" para se manter seguro e também à sua população.

Mas vamos voltar à falar também sobre o Bitcoin? Pois eu acho que não foi só o fim dessa guerra que fez o preço parar de cair.
Vi, um pouco atrasado, que Michelle Bowman, um membro do Fed, sinalizou um possível apoio a um corte de juros no mês que vem.... e sabemos que com um cenário menos atrativo nos investimentos tradicionais, as atenções se voltam para o Bitcoin.
Ou será que estou sendo exagerado nessa análise?

Let's say that in late 2017, a mid-30s guy making $30k per year made the biggest mistake by investing right near the top of the 2017 price run, and he spent 1/3 of his then investment portfolio on bitcoin.. so he took $19k out of his then $60k investment portfolio and he bought 1 bitcoin with that $19k and then he left the other $41k in his investment portfolio, and so then maybe thereafter he has been investing into bitcoin at about $100 per week, and so over the past 7.5 years, he invested about an additional $39.3k into bitcoin and he got an additional 2.91 bitcoin, so his total investment into bitcoin is right around $58.3k into bitcoin with 3.91 bitcoin, and that 3.91 BTC would have a 200-WMA value of about $192k and a spot price value of about $419k.  Surely not a bad place to be, and he might even be able to reach some variations of fuck you status within another 4-year cycle or maybe a bit longer of buying bitcoin, even if he merely continues with $100 per week investing into bitcoin... he figures that he might be able to get up to 4.5 bitcoin in the next 4-6 years, depending on if he might be able to invest more into bitcoin or just staying at $100 per week.

This guy is doing fine based on his income and his level of aggressiveness in buying bitcoin (which was relatively high), even though he started buying bitcoin at or near the top of the 2017 market including lump sum buying near the top of the 2017 BTC price.  The guys is doing even better because he was buying bitcoin as he went along, even though he also did have a relatively bad (not so good) BTC purchase towards the top of the 2017 market and that top purchase did bounce in and out of the red (but spent a lot of time in the red)for about 5-ish years.

Espero que em Junho tenhamos dado uma boa melhoria nesse sentido.
Pelo menos tenho tentado distribuir bem mais... agora que sou fonte de merit.

O mês ainda não acabou, e já estou na expectativa.

Mas, ainda estou a perceber toda a dinâmica, por isso talvez ainda possa melhorar. Vamos de mês a mês. 

Não é bem assim. É neutro quem consegue manter-se diplomaticamente fora de acordos de mutua ação.

Portugal foi neutro na 2ª Guerra Mundial, e não tinha um grande exercito, nem um grande poder militar. Apenas soube de forma diplomática apoiar os dois lados da barricada.

A Suíça, não tem assim um grande exercito. Talvez por uma questão proporcional parece que tem, mas isso não significa que tenha assim um poder militar tão significativo.

O problema da neutralidade ou não de um país esta relacionado com as alianças que faz. Se fizer parte de uma aliança militar, em que se um membro for atacado é como fossem todos, fica difícil ser neutro.

you have a point, but since this is only available to new users, and the fact you can only join 3 times, ofc most of them will be new users, and only like the top 10 get good rewards, the rest all get between a $1 and $0.05.
the only unfair part i see is that normal players only get 3 chances to win something, while someone could keep making new accounts to chase the top prize as you said. but even then, it's not worth the trouble imo, since they still need to make a deposit and wager $3k in 30 days to claim whatever they won.

and i'm sure betfury has a system in place to catch those farmers, and tbh, the funfury free battle is not actually as great as it looks.
you would be very lucky to win some $ out of it, but most likely you will just break even after the needed wager, assuming you actually win the top prize at least once.

let's say you win the top prize $19.5 the first time, $2.63 the 2nd time, and $4.5 the 3rd time totaling $26.63 is locked prize. now you will need at least $30 deposit to clear the $3k wager if you play on an orginal with 1% house edge, and you will also get some cashback, rakeback, weekly/monthly bonus and level up bonus. if all go well you will end up with like ~$4 in profit.

imagine going thru all that just to make $3 in profit. you need to have a real big loose screw in your head to think that's worth it to farm/abuse, assuming you don't get banned before you can do anything with that $3.
that's why i said this free funfury battle can't really be abused with the way it's designed.

too much yapping from me, i know

I am not surprised to hear this, they want to milk every last drop of shekels from their customers.
But I hear they have enough money to waste on NBA partnership 

Yeah, I hear that wind0ws XP also ''works'', BUT it's not getting any updates and security fixes anymore.
It's one thing to stop production, and much worse to stop releasing updates.
Let me remind you that old defunct ledger devices (Ledger Nano, Ledger HW.1, Ledger Blue, etc) don't work anymore, and they are NOT secure to use.
And all their new devices are closed source crap.

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It’s indeed hard to win this free to play tournament like what @AHOYBRAUSE said because most of the user that participate on this tournament grind hard and use it as daily source of profit.

Some are using multiple account to keep trying to reach high score in case they bust on their other attempt.

Betfury has a lot of active players so the competition is tough for free even that reward real cash like that.

Pergunta séria, quem era Mariele antes da fama e que risco apresentava ao Bolsonaro?

It seems to me that the allegations of possible abuse are too circumstantial. Besides, as you say, Betfury has access to the data and the moment it detects something unusual it will surely act. On the other hand, the fact that there are new players is perhaps the motive: to attract new players to the platform. Without more data I am inclined to think that there is nothing unusual.

(adoro o fato que estão nos pagando pra discutir política por aqui)

acho que você não consegue entender bem a forma que penso pq está muito na ideia "nós vs eles" ainda, então como sou crítico ao Bolsonaro você acha que consegue prever minhas opiniões

eu acho o que o Milei está fazendo ótimo, acho que seria muito bom termos um Milei cortando gastos aqui no Brasil, ele caiu bem no meu conceito depois do golpe da memecoin que participou mas fora isso ainda acho que seu saldo é positivo

perceba que no caso da arma em casa isso é o de menos, estamos falando de um assassinato de uma oponente política, entre outras coisas
a dificuldade de conversar com gente que ama o bolsonaro é justamente essa visão seletiva, sabe quando você tá apaixonado por uma nova namorada e releva ou nem mesmo vê seus defeitos? mais ou menos assim

grande abraço e bom final de semana

Pois, eles vão descontinuar o modelo "normal", ficando apenas o Plus. Que basicamente já era a mesma coisa.

Tenho ainda o Safepad, mas não uso. Tenho porque foi oferta...

Well those abuse is really possible especially that they don't ask much requirements on that tournament. But I believe that Betfury knows about this and they know how to detect those people doing that since they provably has the access of data's including the ip of those people goes in there site.

So far there's no recorded incident like this happen and the tournament is continuously rolling so we can assume that they are really doing good and still somehow benefiting for having this kind of tournament on their casino since somehow it can convince people especially those real players to come back on their website to play using funfury also with their real money.

I am impressed seeing that the Naija local board it's in top two of this very rating after Russia which has been one of the first oldest local board in the forum. If we can be found at second place next to them, then it's just a matter of time that we oust Russia local board from the top place, if they loseguard  . With our local board moderator @Igebotz tirelessly carrying out his moderation duty a significant level of sanity and posts quality has been improving each passing month from my observation from the monthly reports  of our own local board.

Yeah so they don't need merits... not to re-open this can of worms but its long been a hive for merit farming suckups, who IMHO detract from the overall vibe of the WO.


These "other users" you speak of... a couple of them perpetuate the cycle and so the farmers return, like a festering plague. To be fair, sometimes people (myself included) don't even realize they are meriting an account farming weasel (and you probably don't even like their other accounts) until its too late.

WO always has been "a place on it's own". There's a reason the thread has different rules already, and the users who earned many thousands of Merits there aren't the problem. The problem (if there is such a thing) is that some Newbies use it to earn (or "farm") Merit, but that only works because some other users think their posts are worth it.

Cara, o Brasil é uma piada nesse cenário.
Vou te contar o que aprendi em um artigo bem interessante que li hà alguns meses sobre o porque o Brasil é um país "pacífico".....

Historicamente o Brasil se mantém neutro em qualquer conflito, não apoia ninguém, não entra em alianças para defender um lado ou outro e não gera "interesse" nos outros países porque não tem armamemnto nuclear (na verdade nosso armamento é medíocre) e nem está em rotas estratégica de comércio.

Mas aí alguém diz: "Há, mas temos muitos recusos naturais como petróleo no pré-sal e minérios valiosos como o nióbio, água doce em abundância, terras férteis, etc... que dão inveja em muitos países"

E minha resposta vem com a explicação do porque eu disse que somos uma piada.....

Países que queiram esses recursos podem obter eles praticamente de graça do Brasil sem qualquer guerra ou concflito, que por menor que seja irá gerar custos e desgaste no cenário mundial por estarem atacando outra nação soberana.
A China por exemplo possui diversas "parcerias comerciais" ou acordos para levar muitos desses recursos à preço de banana (se bem que até a banana já ficou cara pra gente)... eles se beneficiam de nossas riquezas naturais sem dar um único tiro   pois é mais barato negociar que invadir.

De toda forma, não sabemos como estará o mundo mais a frente, então por mais que sejam medíocres, eu ainda não descartaria o risco futuro de uma pressão sobre a Amazônia... talvez com "questões ambientais" disfarçadas de interesses estratégicos (como já tem ocorrido) e interferência econômica ou tecnológica de outros países mais "evoluídos" sobre o Brasil.
Hoje me dia tem muitas formas de se fazer guerra, sem ser através de embates corpo-a-corpo ou com uso de armas de fogo.

In my previous reply, I had said that BetFury team tried to create a fair situation with this rule for all the users. But now it looks like 'bitmover' is absolutely right here. I just checked the leaderboard and noticed that most of the users are new at BetFury, and some of them don't have wagering activity with real funds.

Therefore, users are creating multiple accounts to just participate in that tournament. There are 300 winners for the small $150 prizepool. It isn't easy for anyone to get the first rank prize 3 times from that contest. Lower rank users are getting some cents from it. Therefore, 3 times winning limit with 300 winners is really a crazy rule. Users are actually abusing it by creating new accounts. At least 3k unique users are getting prizes from it every month.

This is amazing seeing Nigerian local emerging as second after the Russian local board, this is to show that there is a great improvement and the post rate has increased between last 2 -3 weeks now. I am sensing that very soon the Nigerian local board taking over the Russian on their post race, with little math we can see the difference is  just about 330 post and, meaning they can take over within the next few months coming.

This competition (battle) for fun tokens is available only to beginners, i.e. rank 1 users, and it is worth noting that the chance to get into the prizes there is noticeably higher than the chance to win something in the wheel. In fact, if you find a suitable strategy, you can get to the top there relatively easily. The problem is that you can only get into the prizes three times, which isn't enough for the average user.

You seem to just be making up standards.

Sure there can be stages in accumulation, and I suppose that there could be stages in overaccumulation.

There is also price based withdrawals and there are time based withdrawals.

If a person has reached overaccumulation status then it is likely optional for him whether he wants to buy back, yet if a person is selling within his overaccumulation status and not falling outside of his overaccumulation status then he does not have to buy back

I am not opposed to the idea of optional trading, including that selling on the way up and buying on the way down may well be o.k. for maintenance and/or portfolio insurance, yet there still are not obligations to continue to buy bitcoin in order to stay in overaccumulation status as long a the person is not selling so much bitcoin as to knock himself out of overaccumualtion status.

It seems problematic to have had worked 4-10 years or longer to reach overaccumulation status to then self-imposedly knock oneself out of overaccumulation status in order to be obligated towards getting back to overaccumulation status.


You are going to measure whether you reached overaccumulation status based on spot price?

So how are you going to manage that?

Changes in spot price is going to knock you out of overaccumulation status?

Sure, it is possible to have such a system, but you likely need to figure out some way of dealing with volatility.

I think that part of the reason that I like to assess overaccumulation based on the 200-WMA (and/or bottom prices) is because the 200-WMA has tended to continuously move up, and also the spot price is usually above the 200-WMA... so that gives a bit of additional cushion to attempt to deal with likely inevitable BTC price volatility.

I believe that it is not impossible to assess that you have reached overaccumuation status based on spot prices, but you have to figure out how to make sure that you are not falling in and out of overaccumulation status merely based on 5-10% price movements... so there likely needs to be some built in ways of dealing with such volatility, especially if you are largely planning to stay in bitcoin rather than put your money into inferior assets, such as the dollar, some other fiat or some dollar denominated asset that is also inevitably losing value.. and it seems that part of the reason to be attempting to value wealth and to keep wealth in bitcoin is because it seems that over the longer term it is holding its value better than fiat, even accounting for inflation and/or seemingly inevitable fiat debasement.


Surely each of us can have differing goals, yet I would think that many of us should not be planning to spend 4-10 years or longer to get to overaccumulation status and then to knock ourself out of such overaccumulation status.. merely because of sloppiness, inabilities to control our consumption and/or not being able to recognize and/or appreciate the value of his investment into bitcoin.. especially since it is likely that if we are in bitcoin, then we have already come to realize that bitcoin is amongst the best of investments if not the best of investments, so then why would we want to purposefully take ourself out of such investment either to put ourself into inferior investments or to engage in consumption that we feel that we are not able to control ourselves in such in terms of devolving into living beyond our means, which seems to be part of your build-in assumption SuperBitMan that justifies the spending of your bitcoin rather than engaging in deferred gratification and/or figuring out how to engage in sustainable withdrawal within your means rather than wanting to live outside of your means.  Again, surely it is your choice to squander away your wealth status by lack of foresight or insights regarding hte nature of the matter and/or the value of bitcoin.


If a person has discretionary income, then the question of self-confidences seems to be referring to questions regarding how much (or position size) rather than whether or not to invest into bitcoin.


Sure, if a person gets started and is regularly buying bitcoin within his discretionary income, then there could be various assessments along the way, and surely there is likely some value for each person to be considering his various personal factors, even if it may well take a long time to build up a bitcoin portfolio depending on his discretionary income and perhaps whether or not he might have other assets or any ability to front load his investment and/or position into bitcoin.


If you have come to the correct conclusion that long term holders do not necessarily need to sell their bitcoin, then why would they need to accumulate more bitcoin?


It is difficult to understand your point if you have no clue if the addresses are individual addresses or business addresses.

One of the preferred practices is not to reuse addresses... so many times larger holders might have transactions spread over a variety of bitcoin addresses.
 

I tend to agree that bitcoin is the best place to hold value.. yet it is also difficult to make blanket statements regarding what some others might be doing, even though surely there are attempts to assess the extent to which coins are moving around and which kinds of holders are selling their coins in order for various new entrants (or larger holders), such as Saylor/MSTR, Saylor/MSTR copy cats, Blackrock, governments to supposedly acquire and hold such coins.

In the end, each of us has to figure out the extent to which we are still accumulating coins or if we might be entering into sgtatges in which we might feel it is in our interests to sell some of our BTC at various price points, whether we consider $100k to be an important price point or not.  I doubt that longer term holders give too many shits about $50k versus $100k versus some other number depending on if his average cost per coin might be less than $100, less than $1k or some other cost per coin.


Generally speaking, none of us should be investing into bitcoin, unless we have discretionary income, since if we invest into bitcoin outside of our discretionary income that would be gambling and not investing.

Surely, there could be a person who has reserve funds that allows him to invest into bitcoin, yet reserve funds are built up from discretionary income.. so at some point if it is appearing that the person does not have enough funds to cover expenses and/or an ability to earn (or generate more discretionary funds into the future), then he cannot invest into bitcoin... .because he does not have available money.  It hardly makes sense to proclaim that a person can invest into bitcoin without having discretionary funds. 


I guess that I also find this whole scenario as confusing, since if a person has reached a state of overaccumulation, then he has his bitcoin that he is able to cash out whenever he likes within either price-based or time-based withdrawal strategies... sure, he may well develop other funds or places that he holds his value so that he does not necessarily spend from his bitcoin at times that he might not want to spend from them.

So let's say if a guy might have some thing like an $80k per year withdrawal rate, and so he knows that currently he needs something like 16.3 BTC as a minimum right now to be able to retain such withdrawal rate, but if the guy has 25 bitcoin or even 30 bitcoin, then he has quite a bit of an overaccumulation status, so maybe he will withdraw some a quantity of income in advance so that he does not have to rely on the bitcoin price in terms of when he is making his withdrawals.

Maybe since the beginning of 2023, the guy had already been withdrawing at the rate of around $80k per year, yet in early 2023, he knew that he needed  in the ballpark of 33 BTC in order to be able to sustainably withdraw at the $80k per year rate, yet he had 40 BTC at that time, yet he wanted to be careful not to overly withdraw bitcoin because he saw that the BTC price was relatively low in compared with the 200-WMA.

So still maybe in the past 2.5 years since January 2023, he had withdrawn a total of somewhere between 10 and 15 BTC, and that is why today, he has 25 BTC rather than the 40 BTC that he had in early 2023 when he had around 7 BTC of an overaccumulation, and today, he has right around 8.7 BTC as his over accumulation amount of BTC.. and sure, each of us has to work out these numbers to make sure that we have a sufficient amount of over accumulated amounts and that we are not overly spending ourselves to knock ourselves out of overaccumulation status..

In other words, there can be times in which the BTC price is relatively higher than the 200-WMA and the guy will swell some extra BTC so that he won't feel a need to sell much if any BTC when the BTC price is within 25% of the 200-WAMA or even lower than the 200-WMA.. which has happened from time to time in bitcoin's history.


The idea of selling  10% every time that the BTC price doubles is one possible price-based system of sustainable withdrawal, and like you suggested both the amount and the starting point of when you start to employ such a system can be adjusted based on your own costs and/or your own individual circumstances. 

There is also time-based sustainable withdrawal which have differing parameters but also discussed in that same sustainable withdrawal thread.

Both price-based and time-based sustainable withdrawal ideas (and strategies) presume that guys get their bitcoin holdings to an overaccumulation status first.


Surely changes in the cost of living can affect how much each of us are able to invest in bitcoin based on the possibilities that our expenses might go up faster than our income, which reduces the amount of discretionary income that we have available to buy bitcoin and also DCA does not necessarily save us from the effects of inflation even though we can adjust within our DCA approach to make sure that we are determining our own chosen level of aggressiveness that goes along with how much discretionary income we have and how much of that we want to dedicate towards our bitcoin accumulation.   

You are also correct, ejikeme24, to suggest that changes in our cost of living including if our income does not keep up with our increases in our expenses could affect how long it takes for us to reach overaccumulation status... and, sure, our numbers for overaccumulation status might end up changing, so maybe before 2020 we were thinking that we were going to need something like $40k per year to support ourselves, yet after we saw the events of around that time, we decided to adjust our amount upwards (and even radically) to $80k in order to account for the radical matters we were seeing in the world at that time. .. Sure, maybe there might not have had been a need to double the amount, yet we decided that we would prefer to error on the side of being safe rather than to under assess the amount of income that we felt that we needed.


Surely there are cases in which a person is in their prime earning years (or maybe he just graduated from college), and so his income may well be growing faster than his expenses since he is getting promoted and moving up within the place that he is working.

We cannot necessarily presume that incomes go up with inflation, and there are even people in fixed income statuses (such as retired folks) who tend to have incomes that do not go up with the cost of living, and those people tend to be the worst affected during societal changes.. .. since many times working folks will have some abilities to change jobs or to change training based on changes in the economy and their abilities to follow the more lucrative jobs.


Your assumptions seem wrong Creeper0 even if there might be incidents in which folks can make sure that their income is going up with the cost of living.. especially certain industries might also be able to charge more for their goods and/or services, yet we cannot assume across the board that income will go up at least the same as expenses.


You are just making shit up.

Sure there are some folks who target round numbers to sell off portions of their BTC, but I bet there are going to be a lot of folks regretting that they sold way the fuck too much BTC too soon if they ended up selling large portions of their BTC around $100k.

The same was true around $1k and also around $10k.

There were surely folks selling a lot of BTC around those numbers, and a decent number of them had regrets for selling way too much BTC too soon.

To the extent that you are identifying that guys who have been in bitcoin a long time might just sell certain portions of their BTC stash at certain price points, then that part is likely correct, but I would not be reading too much into the likely bullshit claims that a lot of guys are selling their BTC at and around $100k just because $100k seems like a lot blah blah blah.

I already gave some examples to argue this point, but let me more or less reiterate some variation of the example that I already made, and let's say that a guy largely accumulated his bitcoin between 2013 and 2015, and he screwed some matters up and so he had various buys that were scattered at various prices, which ultimately led him to investing around $30k over that time, and he accumulated a bit more than 100 BTC  (yes this link shows that more than 100 BTC is reasonably attained between 2013 and 2015 for $30k)..

And so maybe he was in his early to mid-30s at the start of this and his income was around $70k per year, and so surely he would like to have an income of more than $100k per year, yet over the years, he might have had sold some of his bitcoin at various price points along the way.

Maybe something like this:

2017 - 10 BTC for around $14k each - $140k

2021 - 10 BTC for around $50k each -  $500k.

2024  10 BTC for around $65k         $650k

Either the guy still has 70 BTC, or maybe he chose to sell a bit more bitcoin?

I am not sure what the fuck he needs to sell more bitcoin at around $100k, if he had already sold around $1.3 million worth over the years. What is his rush to sell any bitcoin at $100k?

He might even consider some of his earlier sales as screw ups.


This part all makes sense in terms of we should not be assuming that normies are inclined to sell a bunch of their BTC at these prices, even if they might have had sold some of their BTC at various points int he past 10-ish years.

Actually even with my above example of a guy who might have had accumulated around 100 BTC in 2013 to 2015, the guy may have also continued to accumulate more BTC between 2015 and 2025, even though sure I was willing to go along with the example that claims the guy to have done the bulk of his BTC accumulation more than 10 years ago.


The general tendencies is that a large number of governments try to blame all kinds of factors on the changes in the cost of living and why things are going up, when the fact of the matter is that they are engaging in the production of extra money as a way to fuck people over (to steal from normies without getting their consent). . .Sure there are some folks who benefit from such system, but it does not tend to be the overall population, but instead some folks who might be close to the money printer who might be getting free money or benefitting from the free money printing that many governments (some governments are more irresponsible than others) are carrying out to get money for free that others have to work for. .and yeah of course some kinds of work do have better bargaining power as compared with other jobs, and it is not always merit based to figure out how various jobs might benefit more than others and some jobs are stuck with flat wages or maybe even just small raises that are not enough to make up for the amounts of their rising costs.

Where is that competition? Do you have a link to the page maybe? Never seen that on the site, and I am at level 6 now, haha.
I mean the chances of winning anything in these kind of competitions is tiny anyway, same as with the wheel spin or comparable with other similar comps at other sites, where I never won anything despite wagering millions. 

Can't I do it with Electrum by configuring derivation paths manually (from iancoleman.io)?

I already did that too but using the same seed phrase generate entirely different bech addresses, not amongst listed blockchain.com addresses.  Probably, it seems bitmover's suggestion is correct one.  I appreciate giving precious time to me.

A questão é se estamos mesmo no ATH. 

Acho que ainda existe a possibilidade de descer abaixo dos 100k. Estamos muito perto, e em momentos de queda, desce facilmente 20-40k.
Agora, também estamos noutra fase. Neste momento o tipo de investimento do Bitcoin é diferente, o que em momentos de queda, poderá haver mais interessados em comprar, principalmente as grandes empresas/investidores.

Julgo que quem vende mais, são pequenos investidores, quem detém BTC há muitos anos ou os mineradores para suportar a sua operação. Do outro lado, quem compra são grandes investidores, qualquer baixa é vista como uma excelente oportunidade. Isso poderá segurar, para que as quedas não sejam tão significativas.

o cara não tinha uma arma ilegal, tinha um arsenal
agora isso é o de menos mesmo, o problema é ser vizinho do pessoal envolvido com o crime e o povo ainda achar que Bolsonaro é inocente e não teve relação nenhum com o crime organizado
improvável

lembra que a gente tá falando de um cara que
- não sabe fazer flexão
- defende rachadinha pq "é normal e todo mundo faz"

não tem como defender ninguém da classe política no Brasil
99% são criminosos, não é só o Lula

mas enfim, entendo que podemos discordar sobre esse assunto, de repente melhor falarmos sobre outra coisa, pode ficar sossegado de falar mal do Lula e defender o Bolsonaro, a vontade...
e eu vou continuar criticando todos os políticos por aqui...

That 3000$ wager for 60$ bonus rewards is a solid offer since it’s just x20 wagering which is below average wagering requirements on most casino.

I think that wager is only 1 time since you only need to reach a VIP level 2 to claim that reward which means he can claim the rewards multiple times without the need to wager more.

Besides, it’s not about winning consecutively rather but the limitation of claiming 3 times that might result of creating new account just to bypass the rules on claiming bonus is the concern of @bitmover here.

Like I would always say, most casinos do not give out things money for free without attaching some strings to it, imagine having to wager $3000 just to claim a $60 prize money in a competition the gambler participated in, this is insane, except there is something I am not understanding or have misunderstood.

Anyways, winning $60 consecutively for three times in a row is impossible, well, maybe not really impossible but it's hard to achieve, I choose to rather use the word hard because I believe in gambling, any thing is possible with luck, some gamblers have made a harder win than this by simply being lucky, so with luck, anything is possible (maybe).

Não é pra defender a galera do faz o L mas é curioso como você joga tudo na conta do Lula quando o vizinho do Bolsonaro tinha um monte de armas ilegais e o assassino da Marielle morava no mesmo condominio que o cara... hahaha
o buraco é mais embaixo...


a bolsa brasileira pode ser um lixo mas mais de 140 bi de arrecadação não é pra qualquer um

o mais triste dessa história é que eles vão se intrincando no sistema de um jeito bem difícil de separar, doidera.

É exatamente isso que eu quis dizer com o STF sancionar 

I guess most of us saw this coming. It was only question when exactly it's going to happen. Ledger is acting like most of smartphone companies - they don't want that you would use same device for 10 years, you have to get new once in few years.

Not going to argue about device because my Nano S also works fine. But are you aware about all things which is happening with Ledger company in recent years that you trust them so much?

Thanks!

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In recent months, I have been trying to consider and reconsider my own views in regards to short term, medium term and/or long term targets that guys might have, and surely one thing is figuring out how more people might be able to treat bitcoin more seriously in terms of thinking about it as an investment rather than as a trade, but then another thing is figuring out what goals might be reasonable, given the fact that so many of us are starting to come around to recognizing that bitcoin is amongst the best of pristine assets, if not the best of pristine assets.

So if so many of us start to recognize and/or appreciate bitcoin as being such a pristine asset, then it hardly makes any sense to plan to trade in and out of it, even if our timeline might be trading in 10 years or longer (like you suggested, planning to enter into a BTC selling practice 10 years or more down the road).

Even if it might seem short-sighted to get into bitcoin and then to have a plan that involves getting out of bitcoin, it becomes difficult to suggest how guys should think about their involvement in bitcoin when it comes to various goals that they might set, even if we might be able to see that even their plans to follow such goals might seem to be devolving into a trading rather than an investing way of looking at bitcoin.

Many of us also recognize and appreciate that some folks might have consumption and/or investment goals related to their bitcoin that might even be shorter than 10 years, but then maybe somewhat adequately longer than 4 years.. but at the same time, some guys strive to play bitcoin price waves too, which might result in short term profits.. but at the same time might also potentially result in failure to sufficiently balance bitcoin's investment attributes. which surely is risky, even if sometimes they are able to achieve what seems to be short-term profits.


I hate to have to argue this point again, which is that it is possible to reach a point of overaccumulation, so if you are proclaiming that either you can never sell your bitcoin or that you ongoingly need to accumulate bitcoin, then you are likely failing/refusing to adequately understand bitcoin as it currently is and/or how to potentially deal with bitcoin in the future, including that ongoing accumulation of bitcoin is likely not as necessary as you are supposing it to be.


Ok.  So you seem to be acknowledging that a person might achieve enough bitcoin, yet you are still not allowing a person to sell any of his bitcoin based on some artificial presumptions that might even be devolving into your placing your own values on other people?

Do we need an example here?

I have given so many examples of reaching overaccumulation in the past.. and there surely seems to be a lot of justification for guys to figure out ways that they might start to include either price based sustainable withdrawal and/or time-based sustainable withdrawal.. .. and sustainable withdrawal involves selling and does not necessarily include continuing to buy bitcoin.. even though buying bitcoin could still be done as an option.. but having an option means that it is within personal discretion to do.. so we seem to be overly imposing on others if we suggest that they need to continue to buy bitcoin.

Even a guy who merely accumulated around 15% of his income for the past 9-ish years may well have had reached overaccumulation status and may well feel that he can sustainably live off of his bitcoin based on such overaccumulation status... He may well believe that he never has to ever buy another bitcoin ever again.

Let's look at such a situation.. and let's say that a guy had been earning right around $30k per year, and 9 years ago, he decided that he was going to invest right around 15% of his income into bitcoin, so he started to buy right around $100 per week into bitcoin, which in the last 9 years resulted in his investing right around $47k into bitcoin and accumulating right around 12 BTC.

If such hypothetical guy had been investing right around $5,200 per year into bitcoin, that means that he was largely living off of the remaining $24,800.

Surely if he had accumulated 12 BTC, then currently, that 12 BTC would be worth right about $589k based on the 200-WMA value and right about $1.3 million based on current spot prices.  I would suggest that based on the 200-WMA, the guy would be in a solid position to be able to sustainably withdraw $59k per year and even to adjust that amount upwardly by 7% each year.. on a perpetual basis.

So largely the guy is more than doubling his current income without having to work another day in his life - beyond whatever measures that he might need to take in order to guard his BTC stash and employ whatever accounting measures in order to assure that he is not overly withdrawing from his BTC stash.

You can proclaim that such guy needs to continue accumulating bitcoin, but he does not. In the scenario that I outlined, his bitcoin is appreciating faster than the rate that he is withdrawing it, and there are even ways that he can adjust his withdrawal rate downward in circumstances that his BTC might no longer be appreciating faster than his withdrawal rate... and I even outlined a situation where the guy is able to double his income from his current rate, and sure you might argue that it is not enough and the guy wants more.. but that is not necessarily true to assume that people can never be satisfied in regards to having enough.. There are likely some guys who need more and other guys who need less, yet in the end, each person should be able to sufficiently figure out from his own perspective how much he wants/needs and the extent to which he has enough and/or more than enough.


Of course, each person needs to attempt to account for his various income flows and the extent to which he has income flows that are something that he can count on, and even back up sources.

Surely, I understand the needs that any of us have in regards to having back up funding, so even if we might want to presume an ability to earn an income of $59k, we might purposefully choose to withdraw at a lower rate, such as $40k or even make sure that we are able to withdraw at $80k prior to our starting to withdraw at $59k... each of us are likely to engage in slightly differing calculations in terms of figuring out the details of our various income flows and how much cushion we believe that we need to have in order to feel satisfied that we have enough or more than enough.


You are contradicting yourself a bit IceLincoln... and you seem to be overly relying on some arbitrary amount, such as $100k to presume that there are any needs for long term holders to take much if any profits around that price point.

If a person had accomplished most of his BTC accumulation more than 10 years ago.. so then by mid-2015, he had largely established his bitcoin stash, then surely he might have average cost per BTC that might be anywhere between $50 and $1k, depending upon when he started to accumulate.. .. and let's say that maybe the guy did not feel comfortable selling any BTC during the 2017 price run, yet there might not have had been any reason for him to not create some kind of a selling plan for the 2021 price run and other points since then, and there is no reason for the guy to get caught upon $100k as if it were some kind of a magical point to sell much if any BTC.. especially since there is no real reason that a longer term holder would necessarily conclude that $100k was going to be the end of the price run, even though sure, maybe he shaved off some sales within that price range.. just as maybe he had been selling small amounts based on prices and also maybe based on the passage of time.

I will agree to recognize that there have been some claims that some longer term holders have been selling some of their coins around $100k, and that is part of the explanation to suggest that various financialized products and/or third-party custodians have the coins that they claim to have, and to attempt to explain why the BTC price is not going up more than it has been doing, even when so many large players seem to be engaging in activities to accumulate and hoard bitcoin.


I doubt $100k was a good selling point, and there seems to be a bit of fantasizing regarding good practices and even presuming that it is good to engage in large sales of bitcoin with expectations to buy back cheaper.. .rather than perhaps maybe some guys might have had accumulated 50 bitcoin prior to 2015 (maybe around $1k per coin or even cheaper costs) and sure maybe at various points between $30k and $100k the guy might have had sold 5-10 bitcoin and we are at $100k (and more) and the more prudent guy who recognizes the value of bitcoin may well still have 80% or more of his stash...and the dumb twats sold more than 50% of their stash... and are regretting that they don't have enough coins.. because they failed and/or refused to appreciate the value of mostly erroring on the side of holding and selling very little.. .and maybe even the smarter ones still have 90% or more of their original stash.. and they still have been able to profit without getting too obsessed with selling too many coins too soon.. merely because their BTC stash happens to be in profits..

that's very unlikly tho.

assuming a player win the top prize 3 times in a row which is around $60 in prize money (kinda impossible), he will still need to wager $3000 to get to rank 2 to be able to claim the BFG from the free to play funfury battle.
this contest can't really be abused with the way it's designed.

I often play gambling with Betfury, and all I have to do is the stair ladder, and somehow I also receive a free fun token, because I am also struggling to get their requirements to be real money, though there is also a difficult time doing it. After all, it seems to be just a matter of time.

Additionally, it is the Hi and Low card game, but I remember before when it started Betfury Casino, you just have any amount balance in bitcoin, you have stakes available for free each day at ETH, BNB, TRX, and Dogecoin, if I am not mistaken in this regard.

Betfury team has tried to create a fair opportunity for all the users with this limitation. They have a lot of users. This is a free promotion. Usually, a group of people always plays and wins the prizes from this kind of tournament. Perhaps, they want to reward more users through this as it is a free to play tournament. This system will obviously make the 3 times winners unhappy. But it will increase the opportunity of the other users to win something. They have strict rules against the usage of multiple accounts in this battle.

Because that's somehow free participation and you just need to be on top to gain from this event.

For sure they are not first time joiner because usually they know what to do to increase their funfury.

This is tough challenge but somehow you can enjoy their Funfury battle since somehow its free to participate in this competition

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I wonder which competitions he means actually. The ones here at bitcointalk or some within the betfury universe. I also think setting a limitation is fair, IF it's for the bitcointalk challenges. If it's just some random betfury ones I also don't like it. While it's not that hard to get to level 2 it still requires a wager of 3000$ (or 1000$ if you only do sports bets). For some people that's a super low number but for other it might be high.

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Extato.

Nunca ouviram dizer que "quanto maior sensação de segurança você tiver, mais descuidado você se torna"?

As vezes é melhor uma solução simples de segurança, mas segura, do que algo complicado que acaba por gerar uma insegurança indireta.

Fato!
Meu AP em uma cidade de uns 500k habitantes custa 60% disso aí e eu me considero um pouco acima da linha da pobreza


O pior de tudo é ter que aguentar os parentes no grupo da família defendendo essa ideologia! Com mensagens de apoio ao comunismo, distribuição de renda, aumento de impostos de "quem pode pagar" como se a intenção do nosso presidente fosse realmente ajudar os mais necessitados


Graças a Deus não tenho mais financiamentos e também não dependo de empréstimo para pagar minhas dívidas!
Meu pequenos investimento em renda fixa e conservadora tá de vento em popa.

O governo Lula não tem mesmo o que reclamar, segundo ele mesmo o Brasil tá melhor que nunca.
Daqui a pouco vão prender Bolsonaro e todo mundo que é de direita, ninguém poderá mais falar nada na internet que será censurado, o Brasil não terá mais problema nenhum, será um paraíso!!!!

The pizza itsself looks ok. Much better than some of the other entries.

For me it all comes down to merits period. The guy may have 100% just been saying thank you to people for the vote, but that created the issue where people now were voting for him for the 1 merit because some have no shame and will do anything for a merit. They need to earn xxx amount of merits to join/stay in sig campaign.

So moving forward I would not allow merits in any way, shape, or form to be posted in the voting thread just to make it where that does not become an issue. It's really sad because Icopress and the sponsors are just trying to do something fun for people and get a little bit of advertising done on top, but people have to work their agendas. Just going to end up ruining it for everyone when people decide it's not worth the headache.

I did something similar before like meriting someone who voted for my entry (the vote post itself) but I never meant it as an abuse or an attempt to exploit the contest. I did it simply as a way of saying thank you. This was during the Pumpkin Carving Contest.

I never told anyone I would merit them in exchange for a vote (that would clearly be abuse). But yes, before doing it, I already thought someone might see it that way. Fortunately, no one brought it up at the time, probably because I only merited few posts since I had limited sMerits unlike 5tift who sent out lot more.

To be honest, For me I will feel really bad if my entry got disqualified, as I had no intention to abuse the contest in any way. Also, if you look at 5tift’s pizza design, I think it actually deserves the votes it received.

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We are almost halfway through this year, so it deserved a little update.

Pos	Users	24/06/2025
1	Woodie	3 008,97
2	paid2	1 252,59
3	internetional	1 099,88
	Bitcoin	1 059,28
4	Halab	987,83
5	LoyceV	975,08
6	GazetaBitcoin	919,53
7	sompitonov	867,63
8	ajiz138	866,55
9	DireWolfM14	785,67
10	examplens	760,67
11	rat03gopoh	743,21
12	memehunter	739,55
13	n0nce	708,34
	Average	652,56
14	GrosWesh	649,64
15	DYING_S0UL	572,18
16	FinneysTrueVision	564,95
17	shahzadafzal	561,87
18	B1g4udge	557,75
19	Smartprofit	555,00
20	jokers10	553,38
21	tokeweed	550,97
22	LogitechMouse	549,00
23	SamReomo	531,76
24	Despairo	521,06
25	icopress	515,98
26	bitmover	503,99
27	famososMuertos	485,73
28	klarki	481,61
29	Rikafip	473,08
30	Taskford	472,64
31	Saint-loup	463,15
32	Koal-84	383,42
33	xandry	380,01
	Random_but_balanced	357,48
34	libert19	314,52
35	worldofcoins	311,70
36	cryptofrka	304,67
37	Buchi-88	301,44
38	slackovic	289,93
39	arallmuus	283,85
40	xLays	253,52

                  


Line chart race : https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/23486883/

If not disqualified, maybe his vote should weight as 0.25 now, instead of 0.5. I mentioned in my previous post that we should see if he stops the merit giving, after Icopress noticed it and reduced his vote weight, but he didn't stop, and if you see his merit history, he is continuously giving merit to those who vote for him. It seems that even with a 0.5 weight, he will be on the winners' list. 

mais legal ainda que no papelzinho dá pra fazer o backup em aço

dica do dia:
em sites conhecidos de entregas você consegue comprar uma caneta que escreve em aço (é uma que tem uma bolinha que gira na ponta), custa menos de 50 reais
e também pode comprar placas finas de aço (não é tão dificil de achar)

divertido de fazer e sai bem mais em conta do que aqueles prontos feitos para isso

There is always some drama with merits in bitcointalk forum, and if I remember correctly this is not the first time something like this happened in voting competitions.
It's weird to me that someone would track every page in that topic and merit every member who voted for his pizza number.

I wouldn't disqualify him now, but I would introduce some new rule update for merits.

The time has come for another brief monthly overview of the local boards activity, this time for May 2025. All charts and table are made using data from @DdmrDdmr Merit Dashboard and @TryNinja Ninjastic.space.

Communities marked with * (Pakistan, Bangladesh) unfortunately still don't have their own local boards.

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Post activity per local board during May 2025

During the last month, 12794 posts were written across 18 local boards which is an increase compared to April's numbers (12356). Russian local board remained at the top, but Nigerian  is coming closer month after month and its just a matter of time before they overtake them.

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Active members per local board during May 2025

During May, 1241 members wrote at least 1 post in one of the local board which is a slight increase compared to month before (1236 during May), which is not a surprise given the increase in the amont of posts as well. In this chart Russian still has big advantage over the others, but we will see how that develops.

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Local board members per amount of posts during May 2025

When it comes to the members who wrote only 1 post, Romanian is the leader with 63%, while in the same time Pilipinas has only 9% of such members.

In the 2-9 posts bracket leader is the French local board with 55%, while on the other side Polish local has only 20% of the members who wrote between 2-9 posts.

And regarding the 10+ posts bracket, Croatian local is the leader with 55% and at the bottom its Romanian local with only 13% of the members who wrote 10+ posts.

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Merit shared per local board during May 2025

During the above mentioned period 7479 merit was sent acorss local boards that are part of this overview, which makes it a huge increase compared to April's numbers (5873). German local board is back at the top after poor Aoril's performance, narrowly beating Nigerian local while Russian local dropped to for them unusually low 3rd spot.

Majority of the local boards shared more merit than in April, with Nigerian local sticking out (904-1663). At the same time, Indonesian has a big decrease (from 619 down to 304).

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Merit/Post ratio per local board during May 2025

During May , the average merit per post ratio for local board was 0.58, meaning a big increase compared to April (0.48).

Romanian board is kinda messing up this chart once again, this time with even higher merit/post ratio than last month (just to add that this is not too unusual for less active boards)  followed far behind by German local board, while at the same time Pilipinas remiend the dead last wityh only 0.1 merit per post.

Given the recently appointed merit sources in many local boards, I expect this chart to looks much different in the next overview.

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Merit senders and receivers per local board during May 2025

During May, 503 members sent while 620 received merit in once of the local boards, which is (an expected) increase compared to April (519 senders/579 receivers). Despite being 2nd on merit amount chart, Nigerian local dominates this chart, leaving all others far behind, and you can say that Indonesian also performed well consdiering their amount of merit sent.

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Percentage of merited posts across local boards during May 2025

Considering their crazy high merit per post ratio, no surprise to see Romanian board once again at the top with 52% of merited post, while far more active Nigerian, German and Italian are behind at around 30% mark.

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Merit per transaction across local boards during May 2025

Last but not the least, chart that shows meriting habits of local boards. Here we have Greek local board sticking due fact that they only had 2 merit transaction during may, causing this unrealistically high merit per transaction value, while Romanian (another less active local board) also had unrealistically high number.

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The most active members per local board during May 2025

And in the end, list of the most active local boards members. This time two members from Russian local board were the most active ones; klarki with 175 and jokers10 with 169 posts while joker_josue  from Portuguese local board was 3rd with 152 posts written in his local druing last month. Keep it up guys!
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Russian	|	German	|	Turkish	|	Italian	|	Portuguese	|	Spanish	|
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1. klarki [175]	|	1. MaxMueller [113]	|	1. yenerbatmaz [94]	|	1. babo [89]	|	1. joker_josue [152]	|	1. famososMuertos [56]	|
2. jokers10 [169]	|	2. Lakai01 [99]	|	2. mandown [87]	|	2. Ale88 [72]	|	2. bitmover [91]	|	2. Don Pedro Dinero [46]	|
3. Julien_Olynpic [133]	|	3. cygan [80]	|	3. blomen [77]	|	3. giorgione [60]	|	3. TryNinja [77]	|	3. Hispo [41]	|
4. zasad@ [94]	|	4. Soonandwaite [79]	|	4. execijutiere [61]	|	4. fillippone [55]	|	4. Forsyth Jones [59]	|	4. sausalitox [31]	|
5. xandry [88]	|	5. Real-Duke [75]	|	5. Mustang Shelby [60]	|	5. xenomorfo [49]	|	5. tg88 [55]	|	5. Porfirii [29]	|
6. Alex077 [85]	|	6. Unknown01 [59]	|	6. ajanwalker [56]	|	6. Plutosky [44]	|	6. Pumared [50]	|	6. darbitmobilerecovery [23]	|
7. safar1980 [74]	|	7. Koal-84 [52]	|	7. RaltcoinsB [57]	|	7. Lillominato89 [38]	|	7. r_victory [33]	|	7. seoincorporation [21]	|
8. Numeral [58]	|	8. Buchi-88 [51]	|	8. RaltcoinsB [57]	|	8. gbianchi [34]	|	8. mikel_012 [32]	|	8. d5000 [19]	|
9. mak013 [57]	|	9. MinoRaiola [48]	|	9. ajanwalker [56]	|	9. bastisisca [31]	|	9. non fungible anxiety [32]	|	9. Drawesome [15]	|
10. eisen33 [53]	|	10. willi9974 [47]	|	10. Hvdv [52]	|	10. bitbollo [26]	|	10. Mindyspace [31]	|	10. darxiaomi [14]	|

Indonesian	|	French	|	Pilipinas	|	Croatian	|	Nigerian	|	Arabic
_________________	|	_________________	|	_________________	|	_________________	|	_________________	|	_________________	|
1. Chikito [90]	|	1. Becassine [21]	|	1. Peanutswar [41]	|	1. katanic97 [63]	|	1. Charles-Tim [60]	|	1. Kavelj22 [30]
2. punk.zink [44]	|	2. patrickus [20]	|	2. gunhell16 [34]	|	2. btcltcdigger [45]	|	2. Joy- maker [43]	|	2. khaled0111 [27]
3. Husna QA [42]	|	3. Danydee [19]	|	3. cryptoaddictchie [33]	|	3. Rikafip [38]	|	3. Africolo [41]	|	3. yhiaali3 [25]
4. mu_enrico [34]	|	4. Saint-loup [8]	|	4. Mr. Magkaisa [30]	|	4. Pmalek [30]	|	4. Sonia_123 [35]	|	4. satoshyat.team [19]
5. MAAManda [31]	|	5. G.Seed [6]	|	5. GreatArkansas [25]	|	5. Trofo [30]	|	5. Tonimez [34]	|	5. GxSTxV [16]
6. Luzin [29]	|	6. tuxo [6]	|	6. PX-Z [24]	|	6. dkbit98 [27]	|	6. Josefjix [33]	|	6. OmegaStarScream [8]
7. joniboini [25]	|	7. Halab [4]	|	7. serjent05 [24]	|	7. slackovic [27]	|	7. Mate2237 [32]	|	7. Privatus [8]
8. len01 [25]	|	8. coupable [4]	|	8. Fredomago [22]	|	8. cryptofrka [25]	|	8. CryptoHeadlineNews [30]	|	8. albon [4]
9. armanda90 [23]	|	9. Angroid [2]	|	9. bhadz [22]	|	9. examplens [24]	|	9. POPOLUV [28]	|	9. Ochan_yazo_tochant [3]
10. Rashlyowl [22]	|	10. GrosWesh [2]	|	10. blockman [22]	|	10. ovcijisir [23]	|	10. Princess Leah [28]	|	10. hugeblack [3]

Polish	|	Indian	|	Greek	|	Romanian	|	Pakistan*	|	Bengali*	|
_________________	|	_________________	|	_________________	|	_________________	|	_________________	|	_________________	|
1. cygan [27]	|	1. IIrik11 [26]	|	1. condoras [19]	|	1. GazetaBitcoin [14]	|	1. qurbanshah02 [39]	|	1. DYING_S0UL [22]	|
2. pawel7777 [4]	|	2. JSRAW [25]	|	2. Ultegra134 [14]	|	2. NeuroticFish [4]	|	2. JunaidAzizi [35]	|	2. Nothingtodo [19]	|
3. bitbartek [1]	|	3. Bitcoin Smith [14]	|	3. coctailnuts [6]	|	3. UsdtBucuresti [2]	|	3. GbitG [25]	|	3. Bd officer [18]	|
4. shual1982als [1]	|	4. TheUltraElite [8]	|	4. apogio [4]	|	4. IonCreanga [1]	|	4. Cheema02 [22]	|	4. Shishir99 [16]	|
5. stwenhao [1]	|	5. M47AK16 [5]	|	5. BitcoinsGreece [3]	|	5. amsterdamlucian [1]	|	5. MusaPk [22]	|	5. Crypto Library [12]	|
	|	6. henry1111 [4]	|	6. changlee [2]	|	6. ethanhunt2023 [1]	|	6. Rustam Meraj [22]	|	6. HelliumZ [12]	|
	|	7. libert19 [4]	|	7. Dimitris [1]	|	7. jedaite [1]	|	7. ZAINmalik75 [22]	|	7. LDL [12]	|
	|	8. GazetaBitcoin [3]	|	8. RnBMC.official [1]	|	8. shinotabu28u [1]	|	8. Publictalk792 [16]	|	8. Bluedrem [11]	|
	|	9. Mastercon [2]	|	9. alani123 [1]	|		|	9. UmerIdrees [15]	|	9. Mahiyammahi [11]	|
	|	10. Orange89 [2]	|	10. mastercryptogr [1]	|		|	10. Compromise me [14]	|	10. Hossain Risfa [9]	|

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You may be correct that it is getting more and more difficult to get BTC prices below $100k and to keep them below $100k, yet historically bitcoin has come back to touch upon the 200-WMA and even to sometimes temporarily go below the 200-WMA.. and it seems to me difficult to consider that such pattern is not going to continue with various extremes in BTC price movements  that are also accompanied by both blow off tops and then over-correction.

Sure it could be possible that this time is going to be sufficiently different in order that such sub $100k levels are not reached again... yet even if that "this time is different" becomes true, there still seems to be some need to gravitate the 200-WMA upwardly, and currently the 200-WMA is merely at about $49k, and it is merely going up between $45 to $55 per day.  Even if we can get the 200-WMA going up $100 per day, that is still ONLY going to bring the 200-WMA to barely touching upon $100k by the end of 2026.. so even in my thinking, even if we speculate that this time is different, I have my doubts that the amount of different can really completely disregard historical patterns, even if we are not necessarily bound to the historical patterns... but at the same time, it seems problematic to completely ignore historical patterns as if they were to not have any meaning and/or legitimacy in terms of outlining future possible parameters.


If we are regularly buying bitcoin, such as every week, when a dip comes, we might have extra money to buy more, yet we might not have any extra money to buy more.  Either way, if we had been regularly buying bitcoin, then we still are likely in a position to not be worried about whether bitcoin prices dip or do not dip.

Sure, the longer that we are in bitcoin, then the more we have likely built up our systems of regularly buying bitcoin and otherwise managing our cashflows, and it could be possible that we have also been stacking away some dollars to be able to buy in the event that some dips might come about.. yet at the same time, whether we buy on dips or just buy regularly, we are likely more advantaged by the just buying regularly rather than strategizing around dips that may or may not happen.

In some sense, dips are inevitable in bitcoin, yet the dips are not necessarily going to go any lower than current BTC prices, so we might have dips in the future, but at the same time, such future dips might not even be at cheaper prices than current prices.

Historically, especially in my early BTC accumulation days, I would sometimes get excited to buy the dip, yet frequently the BTC price would just keep dipping, so I came to consider that whether the BTC price dipped or did not dip was not as important as just continuing to buy bitcoin on a regular and ongoing basis, which largely just meant that I would strive to make sure that I bought bitcoin every week and even within each week, I would try to catch dips, but still there was really no solid way to figure out which way the BTC price was going to be going in the short-term, even though there have always been folks proclaiming that they both knew where the BTC price was going and they also supposedly knew that we were going to be in the price location that we currently were...and after a while it became more and more clear that short term BTC price moves were not easy to figure out, yet it tended to seem to be reasonable to consider that the ongoing thesis that in the longer term bitcoin prices would be inclined more towards going up rather than down - even though the short term remained difficult to figure out.


I think that you (ChocolateBitcoinK) are correct with your proclamation that the longer the timeline, then the more difficult it becomes for the trader to beat the guy who ongoingly accumulates bitcoin, yet the shorter the timeline, it can be more difficult to have confidence that long term accumulator had really beat the overwhelming majority of traders in that same period... and surely don't get me wrong, since I am not suggesting trading as a good idea.

Let's take an example from your timeline of 5 years, and let's say that 5 years ago, we had a guy who was in his mid 30s, and so maybe he had been saving and investing around 15% of his income for 10 years prior to getting into bitcoin, and he had an income of around $30k per year, and maybe he had accumulated an investment portfolio that was worth around $70k, and so 5 years ago, he decided to divert his 15% into bitcoin and to also divert around 15% of his then investment portfolio into bitcoin.

So 5 years ago, around mid 2020, he put $11k into bitcoin, so he got right around 1.16 BTC with an average purchase price around $9,500 per BTC.

He also immediately started to put 15% of his income (about $100 per week) into bitcoin, so over the past 5 years, he invested right around $26k through DCAing and he got close to 0.9BTC.. So his total investment into bitcoin has been about $37k with an accumulated BTC stack of about 2.06 BTC, which has a 200-WMA value of about $101k and a BTC spot price value of $217k... .. which surely would not be a bad place to be right now.. even after ONLY 5 years investing into bitcoin.  

It would be hard pressing to consider that very many traders would have had been able to show better performance than the BTC accumualtor during the last 5 years.


You are speaking in gobble-dee-gook HOPE25

You believe that guys need some kind of a pep talk?

Many of us will come to bitcoin at differing points in our lives, so we likely need to figure out what our bitcoin strategy will be within our budget and then hopefully we will employ such strategy, learn along the way and potentially tweak our strategies as we go and through the process of learning.

Some of us are more capable of learning than others, yet it is likely that we are going to make mistakes along the way... so what are we going to do when we make various mistakes?  How about we identify that we have various flaws, what are we going to do?  We are merely going to tell ourselves that we are good and to have confidence in ourselves?

I will agree with you that our most likely better approach to investing into bitcoin relates to our figuring out our own budgets and then staying within our budgets while establishing and maintaining back up funds... so in that sense, there are needs to focus on making sure that we are staying within our own limits.. but it surely does not mean that we are necessarily starting from a good place in terms of where we are at and potentially figuring out which areas we might need to improve.


Holy shit Jostern.  Are you exaggerating or what?


The BTC price is a mere 5% to 6% distance from $100k, and you are now proclaiming that it is impossible to go back below $100k?

Why do you feel a need to make extraordinary claims?

Sure. You might be correct, but I doubt that your odds are very high?  Your odds of being correct might not even be greater than 50/50, yet you are proclaiming that it is "extremely impossible."

How do you define "extremely impossible?"   Less than 5% odds? or some other number?  Are you willing to bet based on such odds that you purportedly believe in?


Efven though bitcoin's price is not guaranteed to go up, it is also not outrageous to proclaim that bitcoin's price might be 10x higher than it is today in a period of 10-20 years.  Those are quite conservative numbers, since it could well end up being the case that bitcoin prices are 100x to 1,000x higher than today within a 10-20 year time line.

Sure, at the same time, it is possible that BTC prices go down rather than up, so it is good to account for a variety of possible scenario - even though at the same time, we likely would not be putting equal efforts or even close to equal efforts into scenarios that we might be considered to be a lot less likely and/or even extremely unlikely scenarios.

Many of us should recognize and appreciate that it is possible to prepare for multiple scenarios at the same time.


It seems that we would not invest into bitcoin if we were not optimistic about it.  At the same time, we can adjust our position size to coincide with our level of optimism.. If our optimism is high then our position size would be relatively high, and if our optimism is low then our position size would be relatively low.  Accordingly, there should be no need to invest one way or the other outside of our self-assessment of our level of optimism in regards to the asset (in this case, bitcoin).


Each of us should adjust our level of aggressiveness within our own assessments, and so our level of persistence, consistency, regularity in regards to our bitcoin investment versus how much we might put into our back up funds versus how much we might spend on consumption or on other investments may well just be chosen levels in regards to the extent that we are striving to be on the whimpy side of our bitcoin emphasis and/or focus or if we might work towards being on the aggressive side in regards to how much of our discretionary income we are putting into bitcoin as compared to putting into other places that might be available to us for putting such discretionary income.

In other words, each of us chooses our level of whimpiness or aggressiveness and our persistence and consistency might merely be manifestations of the choices that the we had made... meaning that we can be more consistent or less consistent, more persistent or less consistent, more regular or less regular.. etc etc etc.. the mere fact that we are one or another is a matter of degree and not absolutes in and of themselves.


If these matters that relate to the buying of bitcoin are so "simple," then why do we have 904 pages of posts batting around such matters?


It seems natural to be scared at various points within an investment, and surely it helps for the investment to be in profits, yet even a person who is considerably in profits may well start to get scared if the BTC price drops 50%, 70% or some higher amount. A person could go from profits to losses or even he could go from 3x to 10x profits to only a fraction of his earlier (on paper) profits.  These can be difficult for anyone to deal with, een if they might have more experience and/or even if they may well have more of a "profits" cushion.

Ahhhh que pedazo de salame(pelotudo/boludo/estupido) que soy.

Di por hecho que estaba enlazado el hilo que actualiza loy...c (para que no le salte el tag) que es el siguiente.

Y por eso comente lo que comente, bueno obvien mi comentario o leanlo sabiendo que en el norte ya existia. 

Gracias igual por hacerme notar mi error y asi poder ver que ya existia.

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i agree, they have so much stuff going on it's hard to keep track of everything they offer.

those competitions have a $150 BFG prize pool, and you can only join using funfury tokens and it's only available for rank 1 players. basically top 300 players with the most profit playing with funfury tokens win a prize.
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