Are you planning to generate a new seed with the Nano S Plus or just recover the wallet from your existing seed and continue where you left off with the old Nano S?

If you are still confident enough in Ledger and don't have trust issues making the Nano S Plus your next hardware wallet of choice, why not make the switch already? It's surely faster and more efficient and doesn't suffer the memory limitations of the Nano S. I remember consolidating my inputs using the Nano S a long time ago. The signing process is the slowest in the industry for sure. The device was completely unresponsive for minutes while the transactions were being signed in the background. Nano S Plus has to do better in that regard.

DM me in telegram. I'll try to fix it. @LT_Mouse my telegram.

Exactly what I wanted to point out, majorly all centralized platforms including casinos and exchanges I've been on usually one contract address across all EVM supported blockchain networks, this ensure that receiving addresses across this blockchain networks are the same for each user's account, this permanently or greatly reduces the risk of potentially losing funds when address for one blockchain network is sent and fund ended up being sent through a different blockchain network, the one address system ensure that the recipient will still get the fund even though it's not on the network he or she copied his or her receiving address from.

This particular feature have saved me over $1000 in the past where I was supposed to withdraw the funds to my Ethereum wallet address but I mistakenly withdrew it to my Bsc wallet address, I still got the fund because both are the same address.

Aqui a duelbits ainda funciona normalmente, já a BC.Game apenas o outro site deles que o link que está na minha assinatura, daqui a pouco vão começar a pegar no pé de corretoras de criptomoedas, já começaram a "mexer o doce" tirando a isenção, é triste né, nesse país não se pode ter nada e nem fazer nada que o governo fica quererndo se meter pra abocanhar uma parte do dinheiro... se ainda tivessemos retorno disso... maior imposto do mundo deveria ter o melhor serviço publico do mundo, não é mesmo?

They made a deposit on the address @bitmover provided. I think he should contact support to help him recover the funds if possible. I am quite surprised that they use 2 different contract addresses for Binance smart chain and Ethereum. Most of the other platforms I know usually use the same address.

I have asked this before, memehunter said it will be given through tips, namely using our account username, but I haven't received my rewards yet, but I don't know what the next decision is, because I saw it was sent via the ETH network.

Congratulations to the winners and those who have received rewards from chips gg

Have you copied ERC20? Or BEP20?

The result of such measures always brings the opposite result than expected.
High taxes have always stimulated the black market and finding ways to avoid paying them. By increasing the percentage, the willingness of people to take risks by avoiding the payment of levies also increases, and vice versa. Why would anyone risk anything if the state demands a small percentage of the money earned?

Eu discordo um pouco..

Você pode comprar algo pela internet (esperar ~10 dias para receber) e então perceber que caiu num golpe porque nunca chegou ou então chegou um tijolo ao invés de uma GPU.. Com certeza 90 é demais, mas 3-5 também acho pouco.

Mesmo se fosse 3-5 dias, eles ainda aplicariam esses golpes.. o problema nem é o tempo.

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Esse é o ponto. Não faz sentido ser válido um pedido de devolução ser solicitado 90 dias depois do acontecimento. O prazo até 5 dias é minimamente aceitável, mas não faz sentido.

Talvez no início, para testar a tecnologia, até podia dar jeito esse prazo. Mas, hoje coma tecnologia provada, já não faz sentido.

Só é útil para bandido.

ainda prefiro web 3 que carrega mais significados e me parece mais profundo

além de carregar a ideia de
web 1 - hyperlinks - google - read, digitalização da informação
web 2 - redes sociais - instagram, facebook, youtube - write, digitalização dos meios de comunicação
web 3 - crypto/blockchain - todos os dapps + blockchains - own, digitalização de todo o valor

* when you signup you get a small bonus- there is a 1 cent max bet with signup bonus money.
* when you deposit/get a tip- there is a base $20 max bet.
* the base $20 max bet increases with your total wager volume (so the more money you bet the more money you can bet).

we will increase it as we go- we are growing, adding games etc so thats the risk level we have come up with. it ensures our hot wallets are large enough to always have funds to pay big winners instantly, yet "small" enough where if something happens we arent hurt too bad.

Magic Dice has been removed, but its coming back this month.. same name, but an original rework. Everyone will love it.


Josh

Exato, por exemplo o nexo, porem ninguem garante nada e no meu ver faz muito pouco sentido arriscar uma grande parte do proprio investimento, sem as garantias que por exemplo tem um cold storage

Sorry guys for this unexpected delay. My contact was on holidays so she did not have access to message. Now she is back and all rewards are taken care of. Please check you account which should reflect week#8 reward. Please use it within 72 hours from now.

Hello friend! 

I have the same. The prize has not been credited to the account yet. 

Most likely, there was some confusion. But I think that the prizes will be credited soon. So, don't panic.

Chips GG is a popular site, and the author of the topic is an authoritative person.

Just need a little patience. Have a nice day! 

Have you guys gotten yours yet?

I'm also one of the winners for the 28/06 edition, since the announcement of the winners, we have not received our prizes & it's been almost a week. I shouldn't be asking here, but since the contest thread is locked, we don't have access there to ask. Any updates bros @memehunter?

17.5% is a very high tax. This means that traders will work in jurisdictions with lower taxes or will not declare their taxes. The shadow market for cryptocurrency exchange in Brazil is also very developed, and the tax authorities will not have enough resources to combat non-declaration of profits.

Bitmover, thanks for the recommendation.

Actually, I forgot to come back here and say that the exchange happened almost immediately after I published the post.

I didn't mean to cause confusion.

Closing Price: $109,232.07

All results:

DM69: $106,954.92         (-2,277.15)
babyshoes: $109,382         (+149.93)
shineofasif: $108,572         (-660.07)
mkmanik: $108,344         (-888.07)
Dalldav573: $109,035.00 (-197.07)
muttley: $108,569         (-663.07)
Marceline: $109,800         (+567.93)
happybitcoin: $107,346    (-1886.07)
malcovi2: $108,382         (-850.07)
Gennady12: $108,227      (-1,005.07)
Bizi: $109,555.01         (+322.94)
Nino: $109,125.44             (-106.63)
strunberg: $108,882         (-350.07)
sokani: $108,980.80         (-251.27)
bitmover: $107,557.56     (-1,674.51)
asyakashi: $108,805         (-427.07)   
Pandorak: $108,200         (-1,032.07)
Pmalek: $108,547.03        (-685.04)
ovcijisir: $108,750        (-482.07)
Slapper: $108,191        (-1,041.07)
Improved: $109,321.63   (-89.56)
LoliPhabay: $109,007.00  (-225.07)



Top 5 Ranking:

1. Improved:   $109,321.63 (-89.56)
2. Nino:           $109,125.44 (-106.63)
3. babyshoes:   $109,382    (+149.83)
4. Dalldav573:   $109,035.00 (-197.07)
5. LoliPhabay:   $109,007.00 (-225.07)

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Sorry for this messy looking post

Porque é que eles fizeram esse post?
Será que como eles raramente pedem KYC, estão a mostrar ser uma alternativa? Ou foi apenas "serviço publico"?

Estou como o bitmover. Esta abordagem é uma porta aberta para esquemas.

Já estou a ver a surgirem wallets onde afirma ser de autocustodia, onde fornecem a seed ao utilizador. Mas, na realidade só estão a fornecer a seed segundaria de uma wallet principal do bandido.

Não consegui perceber qual foi o motivo útil para o ecossistema Bitcoin, para aprovação deste BIP. É que ter 3 wallets ou ter 3 wallet segundarias, dá exatamente o mesmo trabalho e funcionam exatamente igual, a diferença é que uma delas manda nas outras.

OK, pode ser usado como forma de isco para desfiar atenção para a carteira principal. Mas, assim como tem de guardar a seed primaria, tem de guardar a seed segundaria. Então, meio que se esta aumentar o próprio risco de se perder ou baralhar a informação.

Sure, it is possible that such bitcoin accumulator HODLer could have had developed those various characteristics, yet I still get the sense that you are imagining a lot about mindset.. and surely I would have had thought that it might be more concrete to focus on various ways that such a guy might have had gotten to such a level.. and you don't even really proclaim a timeset in which such a guy might have had gotten to such a stage.

Perhaps we can attempt to imagine a guy who started in bitcoin in mid 2014.... and so maybe we are imagining a guy who ONLY bought bitcoin but never sold any (except maybe spend and replace), so then that would be an investment timeline of 11 years... Sure , 9 or 10 years could also work, but if we reduce the timeline, then it might cause difficulties to achieve 92.6 BTC - especially for somewhat normal people... yet as I tried to suggest I still find the amount accumulated to be quite a bit and also your assumption about the guy just all of sudden getting to 92.6 BTC seems a bit of a fantasy too, even though surely I can imagine some scenarios in which such a thing might have had happened.

Even though I am cooperating with you, I am still a bit frustrated to feel that I need to give some examples in order to potentially describe some ways in which a guy might get to that 92.6 BTC amount and ONLY now start to consider transitioning into some kind of a sustainable withdrawal status... and I also believe that you could have had come up with some kind of a vision of a guy that is more specific about what he did, what were his financial limitations and perhaps considering some goals that he might have had from the start.. so then sure, we might see the various ways that bitcoin might have had changed him, but still it seems more plausible to put it into a framework of specific acts rather than retaining vagueries within a description of how he feels about his having had gotten to 92.6 BTC.

My assumption is going to be that each of the hypothetical guys had an income of somewhere in the ballpark of $100k per year, and perhaps a goal to get to a status in which he would be able to withdraw $200k per year with a kind of passive income.  I will warn in advance that I think that none of these work, because from my own point of view even in the most conservative of scenarios the guy stocked up way too many BTC in terms of his stated goals, and even a guy with a $100k per year income seems a bit unrealistic in terms of attempting to appeal to normal people.. .. but anyhow, I am trying to work with your example to the extent that you have provided any details, I am just getting that he has $10 million spot price bitcoin right now... so then what to do about it, might relate to how he got to such a point and what his original goals might have had been.. and were such goals realistic?.. or maybe a more plausible rationale is that he lost track of how many bitcoin he had, but that hardly makes sense, either... but let me see what I can do to attempt to work with what you have provided, so far.

Maybe also we can say that the guy is about mid-30s when he heard about bitcoin, so he had perhaps been investing in various traditional investments for 10 years, and so he had invested about one whole year of his income and perhaps there were matching funds and various kinds of price appreciation, so perhaps his total investment portfolio is around $200k at the time he gets started in bitcoin  (we are talking mid 2014).

Hypothetical 1 (we will refer to him as a front loader).. So he may well buy his BTC in various chunks until he gets to 92.6... and since he is a front loader, he may well be taking from other parts of his investment portfolio and/or combining that with his income.. so maybe he invests around $15k the first couple of times and $8k the third time.. looking something like this.

Buy 1 - $15k June 2014 - $600 per BTC - 25 BTC
Buy 2 - $15k November 2014 - $380 per BTC - 40 BTC
Buy 3 - $8k October 2015 - $280 per BTC - 27.6 BTC

Total invested $38k

Hypothetical 2[/b] (we will refer to him as the DCAer).. So he just started buying BTC at about $221 per week, and over the past 11 years he may well have had invested $125k into bitcoin.
 
Of course, there can be several variants in between, yet I still have trouble understanding how either of these guys would just start to feel that they need to enter into the withdrawal stage of their investment into bitcoin.

Perhaps a more plausible version might have had been someone who might have already realized that he could start withdrawing, so he started withdrawing a while back, since if a guy wanted to withdraw at $200k per year, then under traditional valuations, his holdings would have had needed to get to right around $5 million, and if the guy had 92.6 BTC, then his BTC spot price holdings would have had crossed over such valuation at around $54k, and we crossed over $54k a couple times in 2021 and got stuck around there for a good amount of time in 2024, and so now we are double that $54k price, and surely that is part of my own reluctance to want to be using spot prices in order to figure out valuation, yet  even the guy could have had started some kind of a 4% per year withdrawal rate in early 2021, and he would still have right around 77.3 bitcoin right now, and over the past 4.5-ish years, he would have had cashed out right around $730k .

And, yeah, I know that I am changing aspects of your facts, but even a guy with 77.3 BTC currently would have a 200-WMA value of right around $3.8 million and a spot price valuation of $8.4 million, so I would consider that based on the 200-WMA valuation that he would be able to sustainably withdraw right around $380k per year. So even this guy who already started withdrawing 4.5 years ago would have had still retained much of the value of his holdings if he had merely withdrew at the traditional withdrawal rate of 4% and I personally think that if we use the 200-WMA and we price the withdrawals in dollars, then we could sustainably withdraw 10% of the 200-WMA value of the holdings, so long as the BTC spot price were to stay at least 25% higher than the 200-WMA.

Hopefully I have beat up upon some of these ideas enough, even though I continue to think that you, Tungbulu, could have had provided some kind of a better semblance of your own ideas, so that it might be more concrete what you are talking about rather than just vaguely referring to a guy suddenly having 92.6 BTC..,. even though for sure if the guy started early enough, such as 11 years ago, then there could be a variety of scenarios to get to 92.6 BTC...and the shorter we make the timeline, thent it might hav had been more difficult to get to such quantity of BTC absent perhaps some heavier front-loading and/or some various buying on dips, not expecting that the guy necessarily hit the bottom within his various BTC buys on dips, even  though there could be some realistic ways to combine buying on the dip and regular DCA, and to still have relatively short timelines that might even be less than 2 cycles. (2 cycles putting us back to a mid-2017 starting timeline).


In the last several years, I have been gravitating towards higher than 4% withdrawal rates so long as the valuation of the holdings are based on the 200-WMA and the authorized withdrawal amounts are pegged to dollar valuations...  For probably more than 4 years, I was already presuming that guys should be able to withdraw greater than 4%, even gravitating up to 6-10%, and when Bitmover put the back tester in the tool (about a year and a half ago - here is the thread on the topic of creating the tool), I was able to see that even maximizing the rates (which it ONLY goes up to 30%) would still allow for long term growth in the value of the holdings in terms of dollars - yet I also started to think that it was too risky to peg the amounts to BTC amounts and also to go so high with the withdrawal rate when it likely was not needed and would end up overly depleting the BTC holdings, since many of us likely recognize and appreciate that bitcoin is likely the best of places to hold value, so why would any of us want to be motivated to overlydeplete our bitcoin holdings (and draw down principle of our bitcoin holdings) unless we were to have some major health event or perhaps based on our age (and no desires to pass wealth down to heirs).

Of course, there likely remains to be value to spend from other income sources prior to spending from bitcoin, or alternatively to withdraw at fairly conservative rates in order to make sure not to overly deplete the bitcoin holdings, even though surely it seems to be the case that bitcoin tends to grow much faster and better than other assets and bitcoin can even tolerate higher withdraw rates and still to be sustainable, so surely, I don't mind some level of creative aggressive withdrawal in terms of still maintaining some frameworks to try to make sure that withdrawals are not being done in ways that overly deplete the bitcoin holdings, and it still seems to me that we ongoingly witness examples of guys having regrets because they end up selling way too much bitcoin too soon.

Ultimately, even if I am attempting to share some kinds of frameworks in which guys can consider their bitcoin withdrawals once they reach overaccumulation status, there still seem to be guys prematurely concluding that they reached overaccumulation status., yet maybe even in those cases if guys might start to practice some kind of sustainable BTC withdrawal, then he can figure out some kinds of boundaries to reassess from time to time, and surely I am way more convinced that valuating based on the 200-WMA (bottom price valuations - and conservative valuations) will likely lead to more stable levels of withdrawal, even though at the same time, it seems that my suggestion that a 10% withdrawal rate may well seem high to some guys and also may well end up being a high rate if guys are withdrawing 10% of their BTC rather than 10% of their 200-WMA dollar valuation and perhaps even leaving some kind of an extra cushion in there so that the withdrawals do not end up being excessive..

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Sim, eu também pensei nisso, se eu maliciosamente fornecer uma chave derivada da minha seed principal, eu posso roubar os fundos que ela depositar, porém se ela usar passphrase, eu não terei mais acesso aos fundos.

Porém a minha abordagem com o BIP-85 é usar como um segundo fator pra sua seed principal, que consiste em usar a seed derivada protegida por passphrase, dessa forma, a sua seed principal vira uma isca.

Aproveitando o assunto sobre MED, recomendo a leitura desse caso da KriptoBR (empresa que vende carteiras de hardware (Ledger/Trezor) no Brasil)

Os caras tiveram prejuízo de R$ 500.000 com estornos..

Os golpes são feitos tanto por cartão quanto Pix, mas eles dizem que conseguem vencer 100% dessas disputas sobre MED

“Então assim, é uma burocracia gigantesca que a gente perde no mínimo 1 hora para cada MED [Mecanismo Especial de Devolução] do Pix, pra cada chargeback que a gente recebe. MED do Pix, a gente ganhou 100%. Agora, chargeback de cartão de crédito, raramente a gente ganha.”

Matéria: https://livecoins.com.br/empresa-brasileira-de-criptomoedas-relata-prejuizo-de-r-500-mil-com-fraudes-de-estorno/

Tem que ter muita coragem para empreender no Brasil.. e no fim os honestos pagam a conta, já que esses custos são embutidos no preço final dos produtos, é o custo Brasil que o @bitmover comentou..

Eu até concordo com algumas leis de direitos do consumidor, mas é muito abuso.

Esta certo, será preciso haver processo judicial para surgir um bloqueio, ou melhor, uma reversão da transação. Mas... o cliente tem de conseguir provar que aquela transação foi feita por via de fraude e sem aprovação direta do cliente, como o roubo de cartão de credito.

Mesmo assim, por norma o banco não bloqueia ou reverte a situação. O processo entra nas mãos das autoridades, e vão atras do bandido para tentar recuperar o dinheiro.

Sem desmerecer o teu comentario, muito pelo contrario sendo que vc mora em portugal e eu nao, entao vc deve saber mais de la. Porem queria so adicionar que tanto na Italia quanto no Brasil quando o judiciario se envolve, o banco é praticamente obrigado a seguir com o bloqueio mesmo depois de meses. Se o dinheiro ja foi movimentado muitas vezes se fala de saldo negativo.

Enfim, de definitivo eu diria que so existem transacoes em dinheiro e em (algumas) crypto

This is a great advice, no one should touch their clearnet website even with a Tor Browser.
There's still privacy risk with bad Tor exit nodes.

I'm also actually considering using this feature of their blockexplorer since I've been getting some UTXO from various sources with unknown origins that I've been getting "hits" on the exchange where I trade. (3x already this past three months)
Having a free service that can assess their so-called "risk score" should be useful for keeping some UTXO from being spent to platforms where 'taint' is a thing.

But I strictly won't be using theirs until they provide an '.onion' url.

Aren't we in bitcoin to mostly put some distance between ourselves and whatever shenanigans are happening with various fiats currencies and the various baloney factors that might affect why they might fluctuate from time to time in regards to how one of them trades relative to another one.

In some sense, you might be especially happy if you have short-term abilities to pick up more cornz with Euros, even though sure, it also may be the case that many of us have gotten through our BTC accumulation stages already.. so why give any shits, if your forum date (in mid-2011) might reflect when you first started learning about bitcoin and presumptively accumulating bitcoin since then... and arguably you could have, should have and would have had been able to get enough.. if not more than enough.. so then yeah, those of us who have enough or more than enough are in a position to just wait it out, to the extent that we are not shaving off some cornz here and there from time to time, and we also likely have come to realize that the cornz does not always go straight up.. there are plenty of frustrations along the way, even if the trajectory has been ongonigly up.. especially since mid-2011... yet we don't even have to go back that far in order to appreciate the same dynamic.. even two cycles puts us right around mid 2017.. so even some guys who might not have had gotten their shit together between 2011 and 2017, they may well have had started to get their shit together by 2017.. yet sure I can still imagine scenarios that even 2 cycles of fairly aggressive investing into bitcoin might not have had gotten enough bitcoin yet.

So even a guy who had started to invest $200 per week in 2017 would have had invested right around $84k during that time, but still would ONLY have right around 8.21 BTC.. which still might not be enough bitcoin, since currently 8.21 BTC would have a 200-WMA average value of $406k and a spot price value of about $890k, and if we go by the 200-WMA value, currently, 8.21 BTC should be able to sustainably generate a $40.6k per year income, so it surely is not a bad place to be given the amount invested... yet there may be a desire to either continue accumulating or maybe wait an additional 2-4 years before starting to draw upon the BTC that had already been stacked up in such account.


Hopefully none of us longer term bitcoiners are gullible enough to buy into those kinds of baloney talking points... even though we might recognize that that some of the status quo rich are trying to get our coins.. and sure it is nice for a lot of us to have had front-run them, and sure some of the longer term holders might sell some of their coins in the $80k to $120k price range, but seems quite short-sighted to be doing that, absent just the necessary shaving off for whatever expenses we might have, yet I am also a pretty decent fan of making sure that we are in overaccumualtion status and we are not selling so many coins as to take ourselves out of such overaccumulation status, so then we may well not have anything to worry about if we shave off a fraction of our holdings from time to time.

Oh yeah, and 10 years is a good amount of time to have had been in bitcoin, including that I see you are coming on your 10 year forum anniversary date. so time does fly... even though it can seem like a long time too.


There will likely always be a certain quantity of custodial services, and sure there may also be ongoing attacks on self-custody too.. .. so we are going to have to see how these matters play out through the years... and yeah, we can continue to attempt to hope for better possible outcomes, whether on personal levels or for system wide.

3 meses depois é que contestou?

Aqui em Portugal uma transferência internacional fora da UE, as vezes 6 horas depois já não dá para fazer nada. O banco quase responde com um "temos pena - não se engana-se".
Então, se existir uma prova que o dono da conta, aprovou a transação. Não há cá o "enganei-me ou fui hackado". Tem de ser valores muito significativos, para o banco avançar com algo mais especifico. O que normalmente não é, e por isso nem o cliente vai querer ir para tribunal, pois gastaria mais dinheiro do que o dinheiro que eventualmente queria recuperar.

Resumindo, um banco aceitar bloquear uma transação realizada 3 meses antes, é de facto algo que não faz qualquer sentido.

If you are referring to current spot prices then we are talking about 92.6 bitcoin.


Ok... so you are proclaiming that this hypothetical guy has come to a conclusion that he largely has enough bitcoin, so he does not necessarily need to continue to spend time accumulating bitcoin to the extent that you might be suggesting that up until now he had been accumulating bitcoin.

I would find it helpful to know how he got to such 92.6-ish BTC status and other parts about his personal factors - besides merely that he is changing his mindset in regards to how he thinks about his bitcoin, since I would have had considered that a guy does not just come to 92.6 BTC, and his mindset likely had already been changing little by little through the years.. and golly-gee whiz, there are quite a few different paths that the guy could have had taken to get to such 92.6 BTC, which many times would be relevant.. even though surely the mere fact that he has 92.6 BTC does remain relevant in and of itself too, so I will grant you the relevancy of that part.


I don't have any problem with the idea of selling 2% of the BTC quarterly or even 8% annually, and previously, I had considered BTC management in those kinds of terms, yet in recent times, I have considered using the 200-WMA to value the coins and then to withdraw based on that in order to attempt to get to a more solid (and stable) results, even though surely a guy could also upwardly adjust the dollar amount each year in order to account for the potential debasement of the dollar or the lessening of the purchasing power of the dollar each year, and in recent times, I had just been using a 7% per year presumed debasement for round about convenience in regards to what might be a fair estimate.  My own webpages and withdrawal tool has not really accounted for some of my current thinking on the matter, even though there is enough information in the generated data that these kinds of steady and reasonable dollar-based withdrawal formulas can be figured out.

Of course, we don't exactly need any tool to figure out how much 2% per quarter withdrawal rate would be since we just look at the BTC quantity and we can project the balance of BTC that will be remaining each quarter after we sell 2% of our stash each quarter, so the first quarter we would sell right around 1.85 BTC, which would be right around $200k.. and which would be the withdrawal of $800k per year.

Based on the use of the 200-WMA, currently I am showing a yearly withdrawal rate of right around a $458k rate for a current stash of 92.6 BTC.

I consider that either rate would be sustainable, even though you are calculating a bitcoin amount to withdraw which is likely going to contribute to a lot of variance in the dollar value, and I am considering starting with a dollar value and presuming that each year I will be able to increase it by at least 7%, if I want... and any excess appreciation of the value will continue to compound.. unless I adjust my withdrawal rate from time to time to account for my new valuations...and personally, I don't consider the possibility of annual-ish re-evaluations to be particularly problematic or burdensome, and sure even your goal of withdrawing 2% of the BTC per quarter would not be burdensome to adjust from time to time, whether annually or otherwise.


Sure.  that is possible that guy currently with 92.6 bitcoin and a 2% per quarter withdrawal rate is going to be able to deal with the fluctuations and to just withdraw his 2% no matter the bitcoin price, so even if the BTC price goes down 80% as it has historically done, your guy would still be able to withdraw his 2% even though it ONLY retains 20%-ish of today's value.. not that either of us consider an 80% draw down from today's price to be very realistic, and perhaps slightly more than a 50% draw down from our current prices, might be more within an area of potential drawdown that coudl end up happening, even though we may also have more up before down, even though we likely do have to prepare financially and mentally for either direction.

I think that my guy who would be withdrawing based on the 200-WMA would likely go through less variation, even though i do start to reduce the withdrawal rate once the BTC price goes below 25% higher than the 200-WMA.. so currently, if the BTC price were to go below $62k-ish, then my system would start to recommend reductions in the monthly withdrawal amount... For my system, a $458k annual withdrawal amount is $38k per month when it is just following the standard withdrawals and not withdrawing extras on booms or reducing on BTC spot price corrections that go below 25% above the 200-WMA.... and right now the BTC price is right around 120% higher than the 200-WMA.


What are his long-term financial goals?  just to continue to live off of his bitcoin.. whether withdrawing a steady bitcoin rate or perhaps withdrawing based on a dollar rate and continuing allowing it to grow and compound upon itself as long as the withdrawal rate is not too high.

Don't get me wrong, since I think that even withdrawing on bitcoin percentage is o.k... yet I become a bit bothered by the likely extreme changes if the income is purely based on a straight bitcoin withdrawal rate since I think that it is going to fluctuate quite a bit in terms of dollar value that is being withdrawn.


I don't have any problems with any of those goals, even though I consider that it would be more stable to withdraw at some rate that is lower than a strict bitcoin amount, even though I do have some funds in two of my bitcoin accounts that have been being withdrawn at a steady rate since about early 2023, even though their value went up more than 4x since then.. but I have continued to allow them to be withdrawn at the same BTC rate.. and perhaps part of the reason that I had been allowing such is based on my having had used a 4% annualized withdrawal rate, even though I know that a 10% annualized withdraw rate would likely also be sustainable.. so even though I had not been reducing the allowance based on dollars, I had been ONLY allowing less than half of the amount that I consider to be sustainable. which also just means that the remaining (not withdrawn) value continues to compound upon itself for the possibility of higher future withdrawals if needed or even not needing to reduce the withdrawal rate, even if the BTC price were to go down 50% from here or maybe even 80% at some future time.

don't you think its too low ?

I am finding these various discussions of percentages to be confusing, and so yeah, a guy who might have various investments, might be first coming to bitcoin and trying to determine how much to put into bitcoin, so an initial starting point may be to aim towards 5% to 25% of his total investment portfolio to be allocated to bitcoin, yet depending on the size of his budget it could take him several  months or even longer than a year to reallocated and reach his target level in bitcoin.. and he can also reconsider his bitcoin allocation at various times along the way as he is investing into bitcoin, he is also hopefully learning about bitcoin and considering his allocation and considering the extent to which he might reallocate or let his bitcoin investment ride once it is established and even continuing to add to it once established.  Of course, there could be ways that guys also have lump sum amounts that are available too that could help them to reach their target levels of investment into bitcoin faster.. and also as their income continues to come in, they continue to invest in bitcoin and determine the extent to invest into bitcoin and/or any other investments that they might have.  For sure the more kinds of assets a person has then, they also might well have targets within each kind of investment in terms of what levels they want to reach within the investment or within that investment relative to their other investments.. which they also might have considerations of how much to allocate to bitcoin, properties, stocks, bonds, commodities, perhaps other businesses, cash/cash equivalents.

There surely are folks who also come to bitcoin without having any other investments, so their first investment might be bitcoin, so they would build up their bitcoin and balance their bitcoin with their cashflow management, and roughly speaking even a newbie to bitcoin could consider allocating 5% to 25% of his income into bitcoin, yet he still would have to be investing into bitcoin from his discretionary income (meaning the amount that is left after accounting for expenses).  So guys can stay invested into bitcoin and cash (emergency funds/reserve funds) and perhaps as his bitcoin investment grows to reach more than a year of his expenses or even more, he might start to consider at various times to start to diversify, at least he might have senses that he wants to have some of his back up funds to be working rather than having 4 months or more of his funds in cash and not working, so if he wants to accumulate more back up funds, then he might want some of theme to be working funds... so maybe another target that he has with his bitcoin is to get it to be 10x or more or the size of his expected annual expenses, and if he is measuring the value of his BTC from the 200-WMA, it could take a while to reach 4-10 years or longer.. or even 20-30 years to reach such targets, even in spite of how much value he put into bitcoin and also how much BTC had appreciated in value during his investment time, whether measuring from the 200-WMA or spot prices or a combination of such measurements.

The extent to which anyone chooses to allocate into shitcoins and/or even trading with their bitcoin should be low, yet surely some folks cannot resist gambling and/or they have interests and distractions and they think that they are learning about other things when they are investing into shitcoins or trading with their bitcoin, so I frequently like to suggest that that guys do not do that, but if they cannot resist and they come to the conclusion that they want to do it, then they should at least limit their budget to no more than 10% the size of their bitcoin investment.. without cheating and continuing to add to their shitcoins and/or their trading when they are losing money from those.  So surely every month if guys are buying bitcoin and/or even from time to time lump sum buying into bitcoin, they may well be considering adding to their shitcoin and/or trading accounts at a similar rate of 10% into shitcoin and/or trading accounts and 90% allocated into bitcoin... so if they have an investment budget of $100 per month, then at least 90% ($90) goes into their bitcoin and perhaps no more than 10% ($10) goes into shitcoin and/or trading accounts... and these are building over time and appreciating/depreciating and perhaps the trading and shitcoin accounts have changes in position going on and maybe in the bitcoin accounts there is value getting moved from account to account from time to time.

In the end, guys figure out their own ways of dealing with their various accounts that hopefully comes from experience, learning and from time to time tweaking of their systems and even learning from their own finances and/or psychology the extent to which any changes in their own situation or their 9 individual factors might affect how they are dealing with their various investments (hopefully with a lot of priority with bitcoin) and their cashflow management systems and practices (that includes the initial building of back up funds and maintaining them within individual purposes and acceptable balances).


If a person has reached overaccumulation stage, then likely he has a lot of options, and there are not necessarily any requirements regarding how he spends his overaccumulated amount, and he may not even need to replace any of it once he spends it.

Surely guys might choose to have other investments or even trade from their overaccumulated amounts, yet there also could be ways in which spending from the overaccumulated amount never causes the person to go below overaccumulation status, so long as he continues to spend at a rate that is lower than the amount that the value of the BTC holdings is appreciating.. So of course, the greater the cushion of overaccumulation, then the less worry that the guy has that he would fall into overaccumulation status.

I frequently like to use the example of the guy who might have had been living off of a $30k per year salary, yet maybe he wants to build up his bitcoin stash so that he has an ability to spend up to $80k per year.. so [ur=https://bitcoindata.science/withdrawal-strategy?U2FsdGVkX1/3dEHD0997ik7bXXag3wv+jIlqPBGSwwuRYoo6wHqEOktMiVXENevFfdq6UpcTpyhnGE7NEdsM4w==l]right now in order to have the ability to withdraw at $80k per year, he would need a minimum of 16.189 BTC[/url], yet if he has extra BTC, such as 22.2 BTC, then he would have more confidence that he could spend from the overaccumulated amount of 6 BTC, and as he is spending, his threshold level for the $80k per year income will continue to go down, even if he might calculate a cost of living or a dollar debasement of 7% per year... so once he starts to withdrawal perhaps at $80k per year, he could continue to increase his withdrawal amount in dollars by 7% each year (such as $85.6k year 2, $91.6k year 3, $98k year 4, $104.86k year 5, etc etc etc).. and continue to spend within his overaccumulation status and without a fear of depleting his BTC at a faster rate than it is increasing in value.. and yeah, if he screws it up and calculates wrong, then that is his responsibility to figure out the details and make sure that he is not overly depleting his BTC amount so that it no longer would be sustainable at the rate that he had calculated it to be.

We can look back and see historically that it took more bitcoin to have a $80k per year withdrawal rate, and that it was more than feasible to withdraw $80k per year in sustainable ways, and perhaps even greater comfort to be able to accomplish a withdrawal rate of at least $80k per year when the guy the guy had a BTC aount that exceeded minimum threshold amounts for his target withdrawal rate and he spent within the overaccumulated amounts.  The problems come when guys want to spend above their overaccumulated amounts and/or they do not know how to calculate their own levels of what is overaccumulation for them.

If we look at $80k as a target level for each of the previous years (without necessarily accounting specifically for the debasement of the dollar/inflation) we still should be able to realize that there have been formulas to be able to achieve an $80k per year withdrawal rate as long as we had at least the threshold amount of BTC and that we stayed spending within the overaccumulated amount even accounting for something like a 7% per year debasement/inflation rate.

Income of $80k per year, threshold quantity of BTC needed to be able to accomplish such.. using the 200-WMA.

July 1, 2019  =  205 BTC  (200-WMA value - $3,902)

July 1, 2020  =  131.3 BTC (200-WMA value - $6,107)

July 1, 2021  =  59.4 BTC (200-WMA value - $13,469)

July 1, 2022  =  35.56 BTC (200-WMA value - $22,497)

July 1, 2023  =  29.96 BTC (200-WMA value - $26,702)

July 1, 2024  =  22 BTC (200-WMA value - $36,364)

July 1, 2025  =  16.25 BTC (200-WMA value - $49,231)

July 1, 2026  =   (probably fewer than 14 BTC)  (200-WMA value - likely greater than $57,150)  and of course, we cannot really know BTC price dynamics with any level of assurity or preciseness whether we are talking about a year from now or even several years down the road, since there are even chances that by July 1, 2026 (merely a year from now), it could take less than 10 BTC to be able to reach an adequate BTC accumulation threshold to be able to be assured of being able to sustainably withdraw $80k per year which would need to have a 200-WMA value of greater than $80k, and yeah, we know that historically bitcoin has continued to outperform other assets .. but bitcoin is not guaranteed to continue to outperform other assets, yet we can still choose our position size and our level of aggressiveness in the accumulation of bitcoin and the holding of bitcoin while trying to be smart about our assessment of our individual factors.

We can see that even with a withdrawal rate of $80k per year that I am using for the above examples, we would be able to increase our dollar withdrawal rate by 7% (probably even more) and still the value of the BTC would be growing faster than our withdrawal rate (especially if we are using the 200-WMA to value or stash and to make sure that we are not withdrawing beyond a sustainable rate), which is one of the advantages for each of us to get to a status in which we are actually  above our overaccumulation status and then maintaining our budget in a way that we are never falling out of our overaccumualtion status, which each of needs to be responsible to figure out our actual calculations for our own situation so that we do not screw up that which seems an otherwise great deal and a great asset as long as we know how to reasonably manage it.

There has likely been no asset like bitcoin that has been so widely available to the masses and even poor people can directly advantage by it, so long as they either have a discretionary income or they can figure out how to get a discretionary income so that they are able to both invest into bitcoin and also to make sure that they manage their holdings and do not lose their holdings.... while they are building it up to a level that is their own target level whether they are able to reach an overaccumulation level or some other point in which at some point they are able to start to use their bitcoin, perhaps 4-10 years or longer to the extent that they plan to use their BTC themselves or optionally to pass their BTC onto their heirs (to the extent that passing BTC onto heirs is something that they either want to do or to merely have as a kind of back up plan in case they die earlier than expected/wanted).  


I think that I agree with what you are saying overall Gost ms, even though you say it in a bit of a strange way that almost makes it ambiguous what you are saying and your attempt to proclaim strict rules also becomes problematic, even though there are likely better practices that can be outlined and put into practice and individualized.

I think that the general idea is to ongoingly build your investment over many years, for 4-10 years or longer, and surely anyone who is buying relatively small amounts of BTC (such as ONLY less than 10% of their income), it is likely going to take them longer and longer to get to a point in which it might start to make sense to transition from accumulation status into maintenance status and then perhaps even later to transition into some kind of a sustainable withdrawal status.

Surely a person who is able to accumulate bitcoin at a more aggressive rate or at least at a rate that is a higher percentage of their income, then they are likely going to make progress faster towards reaching some form of overaccumulation status, yet at the same time, people should ONLY be as aggressive as they are able to be within their own financial parameters, since it would not be good for anyone to be either investing beyond their discretionary income or to be investing so high within their discretionary income that they end up overly depriving themselves in their lives or otherwise contributing to their own psychological problems due to their overly stressing about their bitcoin investment.. so even poor people might be greatly motivated to attempt to have bitcoin to help them to get out of their poverty status, they still need to figure out some level of reasonable balance so that they are not overly investing even from within their own psychological tolerance, even if they may well be staying within their financial tolerance.

Another point that you might have had made better Gost ms is your suggestion that bitcoin remains a long term play so that none of us should be allowing short term profits distract us in regards to our likely need to continue to accumulate bitcoin, and perhaps to appreciate the advantages that we have in regards to having some of our earlier bitcoin accumulations to be greatly in profits, yet at the same time, we likely need to stay focused on the long term and the ongoing building of our bitcoin holdings, even if some of our holdings are greatly in profits... so we have to attempt to budget for these kinds of matters of dealing with our being in profits and to prepare ourselves financially and psychologically to deal with such matters and not to let our profit levels to take away from our likely ongoing need to continue to accumulate bitcoin through buying, and that selling does not tend to be a good way of dealing with bitcoin - especially if we are able to really reflect on our status and to recognize/appreciate that we are still in our accumulation status, even if we might have a decent amount of profits building up.

It can be quite a challenge for some folks to continue to accumulate bitcoin when they are perceiving their holdings to be so greatly in profits and they are tempted to either sell or to discontinue accumulating, even though it could well be that the better course of action is to continue to accumulate.. yet at the same time, the answer about what to do is not necessarily black and white and each person has to figure out their own best course of action and hopefully for their own good they do not end up screwing up, even though surely we have a lot f historical examples of normies screwing up in their bitcoin investment by selling too much too soon or failing/refusing to continue to accumulate through ongoing buying until they really get to an overaccumulation status rather than their mistake perception of their being in overaccumulation status when that was not really the case in reality they were not yet in overaccumulation status, yet each person is obligated to either make his own assessment of his status or to seek help from others if he believes he is not able to figure out these matters for himself..  

Alternatively we are also vulnerable to even not knowing what we do not know or even erroneously concluding that we know more than we know. .so we have to be careful of those kinds of vulnerabilities, too.


It is not necessarily easily to determine when diversification might start to seem to be justifiable, since there are some guys who start with bitcoin and they are already invested in various other assets, so I doubt that any of us would be suggesting that they have to divest from their other assets and go straight into holding ONLY bitcoin and cash.. that might not make any sense.

It also may well not make any sense for a person without any investments (perhaps other than cash) to feel some need to invest into anything other than bitcoin (and building his cashflow management) over his first several months or even his first several years into bitcoin investing... yet there still could be questions regarding levels of discretionary income and/or cash that a person might have, and some guys might have a lot of cash /value that they are able to invest into bitcoin from the start, yet even having a lot of cash does not necessarily justify investing into anything other than bitcoin in the beginning, yet there can still be questions regarding when it may well start to make sense to have other than bitcoin and cash, which truly I have personally suggested that building a bitcoin investment up to a year of expenses and perhaps having 4-6 months of cash in various back up funds might start to justify desires to keep more money in cash, but to have that money working rather than being in cash, so being at such a status may well start to justify diversifying beyond bitcoin and cash.. even if some of the other investment (the non-bitcoin investments such as properties, stocks, bonds, commodities, business matters, cash equivalents) might start to seem as more sophisticated ways of holding variations on cash...

so then if a guy is measuring his overall investment portfolio and he is seeing the bitcoin portion start out in the 5% to 25% territory of his annual income, and then it becomes greater than a whole year, and then maybe he starts to feel uncomfortable to have bitcoin in 75% or more, or even 90% or more of his investments are in bitcoin, so he might start to want to hold other than bitcoin and cash.. and he does not need to necessarily get to overaccumulation status in order to start to consider some need to diversify beyond bitcoin and cash... and surely some of us consider overaccumulation to be at least 10x the annual withdrawal rate that you would like to sustain measured based on the 200-WMA.. so then it could take quite a while to get to such overaccumulation status, and diversification might even start to make sense at less than 1 year's withdrawal rate value being held in bitcoin. Many folks are already going to be having stresses when their BTC is 15% to 25% of their investment portfolio, and if we might be suggesting that guys reach overaccumulation status before they start to even consider diversifying beyond cahs and bitcoin, then that may well constitute an investment portfolio that is greater than 95% in bitcoin, which truly seems to be a status that many guys are going to have difficulty in keeping... since it seems both extreme financially but also stressful psychologically, especially during downward volatile times.


Yep.. seemingly, we have very low levels of adoption of bitcoin, and likely poor people would be disproportionately advantaged by attempting to accumulate bitcoin, even though poor people have more challenges in regards to their being able to generate higher levels of discretionary income.... yet surely there is an irony in regards to rich people being able to accumulate bitcoin more easily than poor people even though poor people are likely going to advantage more from getting themselves involved in bitcoin in what is likely an ongoing and continued transfer of wealth from the no coiners to the coiners.. and such wealth transfer has already been quite extreme, even though not easy to see when we are in the process of it, and surely the more direct way for anyone to benefit from such ongoing wealth transfer is to directly own coins.. even though many folks will also likely indirectly benefit from the ongoing world-wide adoption of bitcoin...even though if possible directly benefitting would likely be a preferred course .. for any who are willing to act rather than merely watch the ongoing wealth transfer process.

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    76. 2015418: notblox1 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (0) 1399 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    77. 2143453: 1miau (Trust: +7 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (23) 7377 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    78. 2344286: Little Mouse (Trust: +29 / =1 / -1) (DT1! (5) 2845 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    79. 2363935: YOSHIE (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (18) 1824 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    80. 2477002: inspace (Trust: +4 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (5) 803 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    81. 2497429: jokers10 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 3703 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    82. 2519096: Awaklara (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (4) 787 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    83. 2597426: efialtis (Trust: +24 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1528 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    84. 2652924: geophphreigh (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 1098 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    85. 2654005: zasad@ (Trust: +2 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (10) 4985 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    86. 2658890: Rikafip (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (23) 7096 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    87. 2709122: Etranger (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1599 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    88. 2739424: NotATether (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (10) 8644 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    89. 2739454: Stalker22 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 1469 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    90. 2744352: bullrun2024bro (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 4994 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    91. 2776678: Charles-Tim (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (9) 5640 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    92. 2796662: Lillominato89 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1008 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    93. 2836461: Free Market Capitalist (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 2661 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    94. 3373825: paid2 (Trust: +11 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 3696 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    95. 3442614: YodasRedRocket (Trust: +29 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 636 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    96. 3506304: God Of Thunder (Trust: +4 / =4 / -0) (DT1! (2) 1171 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

DT 2
     1. 3: satoshi (Trust: +48 / =0 / -0) (7640 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. 4: sirius (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (802 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. 35: theymos (Trust: +31 / =1 / -1) (13356 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. 2252: laanwj (Trust:  neutral) (30 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. 2676: casascius (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (141 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. 2759: midnightmagic (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (27 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. 2786: Pieter Wuille (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (198 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. 3318: Luke-Jr (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (186 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. 3420: dooglus (Trust: +12 / =0 / -0) (333 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

In my case, I needed USDT, regardless of the network, because I used it to pay for some service, and all options were acceptable. I used ERC20, because that wallet was "at hand", and I did this comparison only later.
I believe that this can be useful to someone in the future when they change a larger amount.

passing KYC verification is essential for accessing refunds on Swapuz, so before making transactions make sure to always do AML checks.

Wishing you all the best and safe swapping!
Trêvoid

Weekly update (2025-06-27_Fri_05.18h)


theymos' raw data (format: time    amount    msg    user_from    user_to)
Sample
Full list^* (50 MB) (not limited to 120 days, 2513 Merit transactions added since my previous update).

theymos' data (human readable format, including usernames and post titles)
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On Fri 27 Jun 2025 04:15:51 AM CEST, nutildah (history) sent 3 Merit to holydarkness (history) for Re: XYES.COM SCAM .
On Fri 27 Jun 2025 04:14:36 AM CEST, #BitcoinCore (history) sent 1 Merit to r_victory (history) for Re: Brasileirão 2025 - Brazilian Championship Serie A.
On Fri 27 Jun 2025 03:36:55 AM CEST, Shamm (history) sent 1 Merit to Shishir99 (history) for Re: Start a new beginning after a long sleep in the forum..
On Fri 27 Jun 2025 03:30:34 AM CEST, bitmover (history) sent 1 Merit to alegotardo (history) for Re: Bitcoin e a guerra no Oriente médio.
On Fri 27 Jun 2025 02:50:21 AM CEST, bitmover (history) sent 1 Merit to examplens (history) for Re:  Swapuz - automatic exchange/sell/buy BTC ⇄ XMR (1500+ other coins) 24/7.
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On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:28:54 PM CET, AdolfinWolf (history) sent 1 Merit to Lutpin (history) for Re: What is the function of the "Merit" score?.
On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:27:54 PM CET, Dahman El_Harrachi (history) sent 1 Merit to theymos (history) for Re: Forum ranks/positions/badges (What do those shiny coins under my name mean?).
On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:27:22 PM CET, Tyrantt (history) sent 5 Merit to AdolfinWolf (history) for What is the function of the "Merit" score?.
On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:27:13 PM CET, Last of the V8s (history) sent 2 Merit to Rosewater Foundation (history) for Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion.
On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:12:21 PM CET, theymos (history) sent 1 Merit to AdolfinWolf (history) for What is the function of the "Merit" score?.
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Usernames to go with theymos' data
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0: deMerit (Bitcoin Forum) (history) earned: 0 Merit.
3: satoshi (history) earned: 7640 Merit.
4: sirius (history) earned: 802 Merit.
10: Xunie (history) earned: 1 Merit.
11: madhatter (history) earned: 5 Merit.
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3711551: Leo_Bounty (history) earned: 2 Merit.
3711589: Hadaikum (history) earned: 3 Merit.
3711603: Finebone (history) earned: 6 Merit.
3711898: Benjamin2412 (history) earned: 1 Merit.
3712259: Pinkman737 (history) earned: 1 Merit.
Full list^* (10 MB)

Usernames machine readable
Sample
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UserIDs, sent Merit and earned Merit machine readable
Sample
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Total number of users who received 1 or more Merit: 49897
Sample
Full list (5 MB)

Total number of users who gave away 1 or more sMerit: 26205
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Merit per day of the week
Monday 295854 (14.22%)
Tuesday 297503 (14.30%)
Wednesday 298177 (14.33%)
Thursday 318224 (15.29%)
Friday 317792 (15.27%)
Saturday 276212 (13.27%)
Sunday 276253 (13.28%)
Total: 2080015

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Good observation, this is useful for tokens that support multiple networks. However, since I rarely use these tokens (Bitcoin, LTC at most and now trying out Eth) I don't have much experience in choosing the best token, the important thing is not to make a mistake/withdraw on the wrong network and lose the tokens.

As for the issue of fees, I believe that over time the service will find a middle ground between charging increasingly competitive fees and sufficient to keep the business profitable.

quote author=CCECash link=topic=5538211.msg65542718#msg65542718 date=1751488490]
Friends, we continue to publish events for you. A new raffle has just been launched, hurry up to take part.
[/quote]Damn, I'm late, I hope I'll be on time for the next raffle. 

When you talk about different fees depending on pair, it is even more interesting that, for example, the BTC to USDT conversion fee differs depending on the network. For example, it is more favorable for users to use BEP20 than ERC20, and the most unfavorable is on the TRX (trc20) network.

oddio cosa è sta roba?? è un'altra graduatoria?
qualcuno di buon cuore ha voglia di spiegarmi?

Resumindo... é mais um estilo USDT, mas do Bitcoin. 

Um token par do BTC, que a pessoa usa para diversas finalidades, que no final nada tem haver com o BTC.

Sim... e não...

É verdade que no uso corrente é praticamente só na Europa, mas já existe muitos negocios internacionais que usam o Euro como moeda de referencia em vez do dolar.

O Euro continua a ser a segunda moeda mais negociada e usada como reserva.

Mais alguns detalhes aqui: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_status_and_usage_of_the_euro

hey i can only bet maximum of 80$  per bet ? is this due to bankroll ?

My reason for putting the randomness at the final voting stage was an attempt to lessen the impact of the colluding - and yeah my suggestion might not completely resolve it, just like your keeping voting in as the final stage still seems to leave advantage for colluding, and perhaps even would help the colluding to be on fewer pizzas, so less diluted if if ends up focusing on fewer pizzas.   


Randomness and diluting the monetary incentive by having more winners.. that way the spirit of participation and even  trying to make something that guys remember.. even though surely some might get badly motivated by money and status... so it may be difficult to create some potentially neutral ways of still allowing for winners..but to dilute and/or disincentivize cheating.. and  it is not easy to identify some ways it could still work to inspire participating.. and 144 pizza submissions is not a bad thing. 

Mas, eles estão em terceiro lugar porque?
Porque são o segundo país com mais população do mundo (que até a poucos anos eram o primeiro)? Ou estão porque é usado mundialmente?

Acho que essa posição é pelo uso interno, e não pelo o uso internacional. O que eles querem é o uso internacional. Algo difícil.

A ideia surgiu justamente do fascínio inicial que muitos têm ao entender como o Bitcoin funciona. Quando se percebe que os fundos estão protegidos apenas por uma chave privada, um número entre 1 e 2^256, é natural imaginar o que aconteceria se tentássemos "acertar" algumas dessas chaves. Mas o projeto vai além disso, a proposta inicial não é encontrar fundos, o que é praticamente impossível, mas sim mostrar de forma prática a vastidão do espaço de chaves, ensinar como seeds são derivadas, como funcionam os BIPs, como os endereços são derivados, e reforçar a segurança matemática do protocolo, é um projeto educacional e, com sorte, também um convite à curiosidade e aprendizado técnico.

Até o momento tenho somente o contador, que já vou liberar o link para vocês acessarem, mas a ideia é acrescentar conteúdos educacionais e explicativos como um blog, além de abrir o repositório do código do projeto em breve.

Ainda estou enfrentando alguns problemas de infraestrutura, então pode acontecer de acessarem e não ter nenhum número na dashboard, pretendo resolver eles o quanto antes para voltar focar 100% no desenvolvimento em si, mas segue o link para matarem a curiosidade.
https://seedhunt.io

Obs: O repositório também trago aqui quando estiver com tudo organizado, tenho muita coisa para documentar, alterar, explicar/responder e criar algumas páginas no site em si.


Você tem razão. A chance é absurdamente pequena, e seria mais fácil encontrar um átomo específico no universo do que uma chave com saldo. Mas é justamente essa a beleza: o projeto evidencia o quão confiável é o sistema.


De forma resumida, sim, a computação quântica representa uma ameaça real à criptografia usada hoje pelo Bitcoin, mas ainda estamos seguros por enquanto, e já possui pesquisadores discutindo isso.

A segurança do Bitcoin hoje depende da dificuldade de resolver o problema do logaritmo discreto em curvas elípticas (ECDLP), usada tanto no ECDSA quanto no Schnorr, ambos baseados na curva "secp256k1". Com computadores clássicos levaria mais tempo que a idade do universo para quebrar uma chave, mas com um CRQC (Cryptographically Relevant Quantum Computer) rodando o algoritmo de Shor, isso poderia ser feito em horas ou dias, desde que a chave pública estivesse exposta. Mas isso ainda exige milhares de qubits estáveis, o que está longe da realidade atual.

Isso colocaria em risco:
- Fundos com chaves públicas já reveladas (endereços reutilizados, por exemplo)
- UTXOs antigos, como os da era Satoshi (que usam scripts do tipo P2PK)
- Fundos que estão em endereços do tipo Taproot (P2TR), que também expõem a chave pública

No entatno, não há nenhum computador quântico com essa capacidade hoje e a comunidade já possui algumas propostas como scripts com assinaturas Lamport, que são resistentes a ataques quânticos. A proposta BIP360 P2QRH (Pay-to-Quantum-Resistant-Hash), que sugere um novo tipo de endereço com assinaturas resistentes a ataques quânticos, baseados em algoritmos pós-quânticos aprovados pelo NIST.

Inclusive, a Microsoft anunciou recentemente que o Windows 11 já passará a adotar criptografia pós-quântica (baseada no algoritmo CRYSTALS-Kyber, também selecionado pelo NIST) a partir da build 27852.
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/blog/microsoft-security-blog/post-quantum-cryptography-comes-to-windows-insiders-and-linux/4413803
https://dig.watch/updates/microsoft-adds-quantum-resistant-encryption-to-windows-11

O que está em jogo é mais do que técnica, existe um dilema ético e filosófico, se um CRQC aparecer, os fundos vulneráveis deveriam ser queimados (burn) ou deixados disponíveis para serem roubados (steal) por quem tiver acesso à tecnologia?

Para quem quiser ler mais a fundo os aspectos técnicos, riscos e caminhos de mitigação, saiu esse relatório recente que foi publicado:
Bitcoin and Quantum Computing: Current Status and Future Directions https://chaincode.com/bitcoin-post-quantum.pdf

O que é esse gráfico? M1?

Esse outro site aqui mostra a China disparada no topo:


Fonte: https://fiatmarketcap.com/

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He is gone now from the top list, but I saw him listed for a long time.
I tried moving up with new game Retro Poker but I didnt have luck to mage any big wins.
Did anyone win Royal Flush on Retro Poker with 500x or 1250x ?

Only if randomness can be proven, and I think we already have a nice tool for that made by member Bitmover:
https://bitcoindata.science/giveaway-manager/

It's much easier to create discord account than bitcointalk account, so it was much easier tho cheat back than.
Current voting system is better but we can see similar behavior when money is involved.

Sim, é verdade, somos uma potência em relação a apostas
Acho que somos o segundo ou terceiro país que mais aposta no mundo 

Temos tópicos ótimos pra quem gosta de futebol, temos do campeonato brasileiro, libertadores, sulamericana, e até do campeonato português que o Joker criou
É legal fazer uma fezinha nos jogos, fica mais emocionante pra assistir 


Se entrar pelo link da assinatura entra direto, depois faz o teste e me avisa se funcionou

Capaz... devíamos solicitar a gerência do forum para abrir uma sub-forum só de gambling aqui na nossa aba local só pra ver no que ia dar.  

Eu vi uma notícia de que mesmo com a regulação das bets, o povo indo apostar em casas de apostas não regulamentadas e o governo puto com isso kkkk eu acho é pouco.

Até esses dias eu estava acessando a BC.Game normalmente, sem usar VPN, acessando pelo link do ratinho.

Sim... essa sua preocupação é válida dado a situação atual dela de "semi-centralização"... que na real já é muito melhor do que muitas instituições financeiras que temos
Para cada saque é necessário 11 assinaturas pelo menos, e as chaves são constantemente trocadas para o caso de alguma assinatura ser comprometida.

E o intuito é expandir isso para centenas de nós, de forma que qualquer um consiga ser um validador com garantia em BTC... parece que eles teriam suporte para suportar até 10.000 nós.

Em um primeiro momento, acho justo eles iniciarem com uma rede pequena, controlada (no bom sentido) por players de boa reputação e irem aumentando isso gradativamente.


A vantagem vem de encontro com o comentário do @sabotag3x...
RSK Tem ponte com custódia centralizada (2-way peg), o que pode ser visto como risco de censura
Liquid: Também é uma rede fechada entre membros da federação.
Botanix: Inicia com 16 nós confiáveis, mas exige 11/16 para autorizar saques; há penalidades fortes se trapacearem, e tem o plano de abrir a rede para milhares de nós no futuro

É verdade. Mas se aumentar o uso é a circulação da moeda, tendencialmente haverá uma valorização.

Uma moeda muito usada, acaba por gerar valor.

No final o que eles querem é que a sua moeda se torne a terceira mais usada no mundo.

você costuma usar o twitter?
ainda falam bastante de web 3 por lá

eu gosto do termo justamente pq ele engloba o guarda-chuva inteiro de criptomoedas (btc e alts), nfts, defi, sintetiza tudo
posso falar criptomoedas mas aí não parece que estou falando de NFTs
posso falar DeFI mas aí estaria incluindo coisas novas como kaito?
que outro termo engloba liquidity pools estilo uni v3 e bitcoin? desconheço.


se eventualmente você colocar todos os ovos no mesmo cesto é melhor vigiar esse cesto com muita atenção.

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interessante ver esse posicionamento de um gestor maior, já venho falando desde 2020 que é uma insensatez não ter exposição à crypto, em breve essa visão será consenso (e aí inevitavelmente o upside será menor do que atualmente)

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I almost forgot about it, I haven't received it on my account either

Sir, it's been almost 10 days, but I haven't received any reward in my account.

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বরাবরের মতন আবারো নতুন আরেকটি মাসের একটিভিটি রিপোর্ট উন্মোচন করার জন্য চলে আসলাম। এ বছরে এপ্রিল মাসে তাদের একটিভিটি এর অবস্থা ভালো ছিল কিন্তু পরবর্তীতে শুধু নিচের দিকে নামতে শুরু করতেছে যদিও এর আগের মাসে একটা ভালো রিপোর্ট পেয়েছিলাম কিন্তু এ মাসে একটিভিটি একদমই কমে গিয়েছে সেই সাথে সাথে মেরিট আর্নিং অনেকাংশই কমে গিয়েছে।  তাছাড়া এই মাস সম্পর্কে আর বিস্তারিত কোন কিছু বলার নাই।

নিচে বিস্তারিত ডাটা গুলো চার্টের মাধ্যমে তুলে ধরা হলো।

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জুন  মাসের  টোটাল পোস্ট হয়েছে           = 120টি

এবং  মেরিট ট্রানজেকশন হয়েছে                = 37টি

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মে  মাসের  টোটাল পোস্ট হয়েছে           = 184টি

এবং  মেরিট ট্রানজেকশন হয়েছে                = 64টি


প্রথম দশজন পোস্টদাতা
1. Crypto Library [16]
2. Bd officer [14]
3. LDL [14]
4. DYING_S0UL [13]
5. Nothingtodo [10]
6. Shishir99 [9]
7. God Of Thunder [7]
8. Wonder Work [7]
9. Z_MBFM [6]
10. Royal Cap [4]

আজ পর্যন্ত বাংলাদেশ থ্রেডের সর্বোচ্চ ১০ জন পোস্টদাতাঃ 1. God Of Thunder [569]
2. Crypto Library [533] ⬆
3. Little Mouse [527] ⬇
4. Bd officer [428]
5. DYING_S0UL [408]
6. LDL [348]
7. Review Master [324]
8. shasan [244]
9. roksana.hee [200]
10. Shishir99 [197]


বাংলা থ্রেড এর একটিভিটি ওভার ভিউ

২০২৪ সাল এর অ্যাক্টিভিটি

জানুয়ারি মাসের অ্যাক্টিভিটি ২০২৫
ফেব্রুয়ারি মাসের একটিভিটি ২০২৫
মার্চ মাসের একটিভিটি ২০২৫
এপ্রিল মাসের একটিভিটি ২০২৫
মে মাসের অ্যাক্টিভিটি ২০২৫
জুন মাসের একটিভিটি ২০২৫


এনাদের ক্রেডিট না দিলেই নয়
Ninjastic.Space -> TryNinja
Merit Dashboard -> DdmrDdmr  

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I haven't been that active lately, so I had to consult the latest archives ^{[thanks to Wayback Machine]} to notice all of the changes and it looks great compared to what it was last month, but I noticed those changes aren't reflecting on the following pages ^{[I'm sure it's not a cached issue from my end]}:

• Bitcointalk Giveaway Manager
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Good layout adjustments, congratulations. It really looks better and more harmonious.

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A good resource, let me add to the list.

SimpleX Another Notification Bot by TryNinja

Bitmover Giveaway Manager For Fair Contest by Bitmover

[Telegram Bot] Wallet Transaction Notifier by PX-Z

Missed out on this updated version called beta.ninjastic.space: https://beta.ninjastic.space same function only better.

PeepsBet.com is a modern online crypto casino, offers a wide range of games, including slots, and original in-house games. PeepsBet.com supports popular cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin, Ethereum, and USDT for fast, secure transactions. Daily rewards, rakeback bonuses, and a sleek user interface. It is designed for both casual players and high rollers who look for a rewarding gaming experience. PeepsBet.com presents you with a free raffle!

  ✦ Rules:

      🗲 You must be a Member to participate.
      🗲 Pick a slot from 01 to 100.
      🗲 One winner will win $100 in Bitcoin .
      🗲 Reward will be credited to your PeepsBet.com account.
      🗲 The reward has NO WAGRING requirement. Your rewards, your choice! You can withdraw straight away.
      🗲 We will pick a block to find the winners. We will use bitmover's Bitcointalk Giveaway Manager to find the winners.
      🗲 I and Peepsbet reserves the right to change the rules and disqualify participants.
   

    ✦ Application format:
    
    ✦ List of participants:

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➥ Pick a SLOT!
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• Rules/Prizes

➥ Pick a SLOT! 🎯
➥ The winner will receive a Prize of 0.001 BTC. 🎁
➥ Once a block is selected, we will use bitmover’s tool for a fair and transparent draw!

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🌟 We are pleased to announce that an exciting new raffle is launching and we invite you to take part in it!

• 🐳 Whale.io 🎁 FREE RAFFLE 🎁 Prize 50$!

1️⃣ Pick a slot! You can choose 2 SLOTS if you have shared a screenshot of your bets in the ANN Thread in the last 2 weeks.
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• Rules/Prizes

➥ Pick a SLOT! 🎯
➥ 2 Winners, will share a prize of $50 in Free Bets! 🎁
➥ You can choose 2 SLOTS if you have shared a screenshot of your bets in the ANN Thread in the last 2 weeks. 🐳
➥ Once a block is selected, we will use bitmover’s tool for a fair and transparent draw / We reserve the right to ignore any participant.

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Checked out the redesign of Quick Pick and it looks quite amazing! Also found Bitmover at 5th rank on daily race.

Ou não, muitos desses vips, fizeram suas doações quando o BTC não valia muita coisa, meados de 2012 -13 -14 e por aí vai. É bem plausível que alguns deles acabaram vendendo seus bTCs ou saíram desse mercado ou retornaram mas estão na mesma hierarquia social em BTCs do que nós 

Mas sim, boa parte da lista devem ser multi-milionários em BTC. Parece que boa parte (eu não reconheci nenhum_), nem é mais ativa no forum.

Vi que na lista não há nenhum user conhecido brasileiro, estamos mal-representados haahah (não que eu ligue pra nacionalidades).

É incrível, esse governo do PT só faz merda cara, não tomam uma única decisão correta e quando perdem para o congresso (Congresso derruma aumento do IOF), eles pedem uma ajudinha do ministros dos STF, os caras trabalham sempre pra aumentar imposto, nunca pra corte de gastos, é sempre aumento de imposto.

Será que eles não pensam nas consequências disso na próxima eleição? Estão tão confiantes de que o povo tornará a eleger essa turmada toda?

É muito mau-caratismo!

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Notifying the regulars:
This event is open for everyone. If you want to be added in the list then let me know after this post.

Bereits Gestern hat theymos wieder ein mal das Neue Update der Default Trust 1 Liste rausgebracht für den Monat Juli !
Dafür waren 120 Benutzer berechtigt.

Original Beitrag von theymos : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117330.msg65539893#msg65539893


Alte Default Trust 1 Liste :

Neue Default Trust 1 Liste :

Wieder mit dabei aus dem Deutschen Bereich sind dieses mal : bullrun2024bro , efialtis , 1miau , Lakai01 , Real-Duke , willi9974 , d5000 und meine wenigkeit.
Glaube das kann sich sehen laßen auch wenn wir schon mal mehr waren.

Hier das genaue Update und Übersicht von LoyceV:

Theymos reshuffled DT1.

Removed:
     1. Administrator theymos (Trust: +31 / =1 / -1) (13356 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Legendary joker_josue (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (5388 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Legendary wwzsocki (Trust: +10 / =2 / -0) (1508 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Legendary gbianchi (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (2150 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Staff dbshck (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (625 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Legendary stompix (Trust: neutral) (6232 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Legendary Buchi-88 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (2006 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary BitcoinPenny (Trust: #  +51 / =3 / -5) (1246 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary yahoo62278 (Trust: +37 / =2 / -0) (3801 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary bitbollo (Trust: +16 / =0 / -0) (3250 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary zazarb (Trust: +22 / =1 / -0) (548 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Legendary LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (10569 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Legendary BitcoinGirl.Club (Trust: +1 / =7 / -1) (1815 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Legendary ekiller (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (715 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Legendary Jet Cash (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (1980 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Legendary buwaytress (Trust: +28 / =0 / -0) (3376 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Legendary Kryptowerk (Trust: +51 / =0 / -0) (1158 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Legendary RaltcoinsB (Trust: neutral) (1199 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Copper Member shahzadafzal (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (3144 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Legendary cryptofrka (Trust: +17 / =0 / -0) (2120 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Legendary abhiseshakana (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (2313 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Legendary The Cryptovator (Trust: +20 / =1 / -0) (2318 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Hero Member mendace (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (626 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Legendary Lachrymose (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (1176 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Added:
     1. Administrator Cyrus (Trust: +24 / =0 / -0) (2370 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Legendary vizique (Trust: +37 / =0 / -0) (644 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Legendary jeremypwr (Trust: +55 / =2 / -0) (5487 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Hero Member hybridsole (Trust: +20 / =0 / -0) (303 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Global Moderator hilariousandco (Trust: +28 / =2 / -0) (1775 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Legendary irfan_pak10 (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (670 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Legendary klarki (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (3644 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Copper Member crwth (Trust: +3 / =2 / -0) (1045 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary Vispilio (Trust: +1 / =3 / -3) (1457 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary hugeblack (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (4127 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary El duderino_ (Trust: +27 / =2 / -0) (14236 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Legendary JeromeTash (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (1214 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Legendary Maus0728 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (1572 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Legendary TheBeardedBaby (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (3190 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Legendary tvplus006 (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (2226 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Legendary bitmover (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (6700 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Legendary madnessteat (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (2604 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Legendary notblox1 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1399 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Legendary YOSHIE (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (1824 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Hero Member inspace (Trust: +4 / =2 / -0) (803 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Legendary efialtis (Trust: +24 / =0 / -0) (1528 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Legendary geophphreigh (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (1098 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Legendary Etranger (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (1599 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Legendary paid2 (Trust: +11 / =1 / -0) (3696 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)