Update:
DT 1
     1. 35: theymos (Trust: +29 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (58) 14510 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. 11425: gmaxwell (Trust: +13 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (16) 9807 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. 33156: vapourminer (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 5216 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. 51173: mprep (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (20) 1761 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. 55384: Foxpup (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (15) 2788 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. 64507: philipma1957 (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (19) 10971 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. 65636: babo (Trust: +15 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (4) 4659 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. 78147: Cyrus (Trust: +22 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (20) 2800 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. 84521: Welsh (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (24) 3469 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. 84866: ibminer (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 2724 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. 85033: d5000 (Trust:  neutral) (DT1! (3) 9716 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. 97582: joker_josue (Trust: +8 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 6563 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. 112493: Pmalek (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 8769 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. 123824: albon (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 2043 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. 131333: wwzsocki (Trust: +16 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (0) 1519 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. 137185: jeremypwr (Trust: +57 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (17) 6233 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. 140582: gbianchi (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 2494 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. 140584: EFS (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 2147 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. 158444: hybridsole (Trust: +19 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 503 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. 164749: stompix (Trust:  neutral) (DT1! (10) 6561 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. 164822: hilariousandco (Trust: +28 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (30) 1896 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. 189967: buckrogers (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 195 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. 204821: Buchi-88 (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 2343 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. 206143: Lesbian Cow (Trust: +44 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 758 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. 216582: willi9974 (Trust: +50 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 2974 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. 252510: JayJuanGee (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (21) 13509 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. 257071: NeuroticFish (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 6209 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. 290195: achow101 (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 6737 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. 300014: DaveF (Trust: +33 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (20) 6818 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. 314792: examplens (Trust: +8 / =5 / -0) (DT1! (25) 3673 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    31. 317618: nutildah (Trust: +21 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (32) 9978 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    32. 350580: irfan_pak10 (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (2) 735 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    33. 355846: yahoo62278 (Trust: +36 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (24) 4367 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    34. 364070: bitbollo (Trust: +18 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 3739 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    35. 379147: pooya87 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 11284 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    36. 379487: LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +33 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (22) 11881 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    37. 395806: o_solo_miner (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 532 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    38. 405482: Real-Duke (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 2751 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    39. 407174: klarki (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (3) 4539 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    40. 459836: LoyceV (Trust: +32 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (61) 20926 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    41. 487418: The Sceptical Chymist (Trust: +32 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (28) 6332 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    42. 557798: TryNinja (Trust: +12 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (9) 9892 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    43. 754818: holydarkness (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (14) 1385 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    44. 805820: Lafu (Trust: +18 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (15) 4058 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    45. 830967: tweetious (Trust: +32 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 451 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    46. 839568: AakZaki (Trust: +8 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1876 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    47. 889300: giammangiato (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1492 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    48. 901859: buwaytress (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 3775 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    49. 914465: crwth (Trust: +3 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (0) 1343 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    50. 932931: Ale88 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 3504 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    51. 995810: hosemary (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 6751 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    52. 1000199: krogothmanhattan (Trust: +93 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (17) 4193 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    53. 1016855: JollyGood (Trust: +21 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (17) 1957 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    54. 1045971: igebotz (Trust: +15 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (11) 2289 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    55. 1059082: hugeblack (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 4561 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    56. 1067333: El duderino_ (Trust: +26 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (12) 15534 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    57. 1097370: KTChampions (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 2274 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    58. 1099980: Trofo (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (13) 3469 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    59. 1137579: icopress (Trust: +87 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (38) 12589 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    60. 1190631: JeromeTash (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 1442 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    61. 1247226: logfiles (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 2290 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    62. 1269497: Bitcoin_Arena (Trust: +2 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (4) 2066 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    63. 1285797: GazetaBitcoin (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 9815 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    64. 1311641: tvplus006 (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (13) 2593 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    65. 1424178: mole0815 (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 3522 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    66. 1554927: bitmover (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 7456 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    67. 1582324: DdmrDdmr (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (21) 11346 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    68. 1634314: shahzadafzal (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 3243 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    69. 1724800: Lakai01 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 4129 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    70. 1827294: Husna QA (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 3400 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    71. 1852120: fillippone (Trust: +14 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (23) 20673 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    72. 1862043: cryptofrka (Trust: +17 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 2775 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    73. 1878246: abhiseshakana (Trust: +2 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (1) 2476 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    74. 1980983: The Cryptovator (Trust: +20 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (18) 2584 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    75. 1982152: lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +29 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (30) 5645 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    76. 2003859: DireWolfM14 (Trust: +19 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (20) 5684 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    77. 2015418: notblox1 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 1582 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    78. 2344286: Little Mouse (Trust: +48 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (13) 3650 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    79. 2363935: YOSHIE (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (17) 1897 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    80. 2477002: inspace (Trust: +5 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1422 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    81. 2497429: jokers10 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 4050 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    82. 2519096: Awaklara (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (6) 837 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    83. 2652924: geophphreigh (Trust: +32 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1144 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    84. 2654005: zasad@ (Trust: +3 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (7) 5609 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    85. 2658890: Rikafip (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (28) 7999 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    86. 2709122: Etranger (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 1871 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    87. 2739424: NotATether (Trust: +7 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (10) 9735 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    88. 2739454: Stalker22 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 1583 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    89. 2744352: bullrun2024bro (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 5289 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    90. 2775483: BlackHatCoiner (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 9796 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    91. 2776678: Charles-Tim (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (4) 6371 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    92. 2796662: Lillominato89 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1250 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    93. 2836461: Free Market Capitalist (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (6) 3441 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    94. 3373858: n0nce (Trust:  neutral) (DT1! (5) 6057 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    95. 3442614: YodasRedRocket (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 650 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)

DT 2
     1. 3: satoshi (Trust: +40 / =0 / -0) (8652 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. 4: sirius (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (935 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. 1268: nanotube (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. 2252: laanwj (Trust:  neutral) (50 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. 2676: casascius (Trust: +6 / =0 / -1) (193 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. 2759: midnightmagic (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (27 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. 2786: Pieter Wuille (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (203 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. 3318: Luke-Jr (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (201 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. 3380: Vladimir (Trust:  neutral) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. 3420: dooglus (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (335 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. 4171: Raize (Trust:  neutral) (24 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. 4528: Matt Corallo (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (15 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. 5797: grue (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (494 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. 6347: Maged (Trust:  neutral) (17 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. 6447: forrestv (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (143 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. 7351: EPiSKiNG (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. 10354: JJG (Trust:  neutral) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. 10502: SgtSpike (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (5 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)

Weekly update (2026-05-29_Fri_05.18h)


theymos' raw data (format: time    amount    msg    user_from    user_to)
Sample
Full list^* (56 MB) (not limited to 120 days, 2633 Merit transactions added since my previous update).

theymos' data (human readable format, including usernames and post titles)
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On Fri 29 May 2026 04:14:31 AM CEST, FinneysTrueVision (history) sent 1 Merit to eaLiTy (history) for <DEL]deleted post</DEL].
On Fri 29 May 2026 04:09:20 AM CEST, FinneysTrueVision (history) sent 1 Merit to macson (history) for Re: AI Spam Report Reference Thread.
On Fri 29 May 2026 03:53:52 AM CEST, seoincorporation (history) sent 1 Merit to darbitmobilerecovery (history) for Re: Sección de Juegos de Azar (Gambling) - Para nuestro foro local.
On Fri 29 May 2026 03:48:44 AM CEST, Dave1 (history) sent 1 Merit to seoincorporation (history) for What % of your signature income gets burned on gambling?.
On Fri 29 May 2026 03:23:24 AM CEST, Frankolala (history) sent 1 Merit to Mhizlove (history) for Re: Bitcoin Beyond Just Money.
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On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:28:54 PM CET, AdolfinWolf (history) sent 1 Merit to Lutpin (history) for Re: What is the function of the "Merit" score?.
On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:27:54 PM CET, Dahman El_Harrachi (history) sent 1 Merit to theymos (history) for Re: Forum ranks/positions/badges (What do those shiny coins under my name mean?).
On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:27:22 PM CET, Tyrantt (history) sent 5 Merit to AdolfinWolf (history) for What is the function of the "Merit" score?.
On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:27:13 PM CET, Last of the V8s (history) sent 2 Merit to Rosewater Foundation (history) for Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking &amp; discussion.
On Wed 24 Jan 2018 11:12:21 PM CET, theymos (history) sent 1 Merit to AdolfinWolf (history) for What is the function of the "Merit" score?.
Full list (595 MB)

Usernames to go with theymos' data
Sample
0: deMerit (Bitcoin Forum) (history) earned: 0 Merit.
3: satoshi (history) earned: 8652 Merit.
4: sirius (history) earned: 935 Merit.
10: Xunie (history) earned: 1 Merit.
11: madhatter (history) earned: 16 Merit.
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3757572: P2PKH_dude (history) earned: 1 Merit.
3757594: coldcoffeebean (history) earned: 1 Merit.
3757640: dingominer (history) earned: 4 Merit.
3757657: FIRE VS FIRE (history) earned: 10 Merit.
3758039: IronySwapy (history) earned: 4 Merit.
Full list^* (10 MB)

Usernames machine readable
Sample
Full list (2 MB)

UserIDs, sent Merit and earned Merit machine readable
Sample
Full list (1 MB)

Total number of users who received 1 or more Merit: 51422
Sample
Full list (5 MB)

Total number of users who gave away 1 or more sMerit: 26660
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Full list (3 MB)

Merit per day of the week
Monday 334550 (14.39%)
Tuesday 333441 (14.34%)
Wednesday 333395 (14.34%)
Thursday 353883 (15.22%)
Friday 351853 (15.13%)
Saturday 306287 (13.17%)
Sunday 310736 (13.36%)
Total: 2324145

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A MINOR difference of one or two months does NOT make the Cycle broken. I would be the first person to say that the Cycle is broken IF the bear market continues throughout Q2/Q3 2027, OR if a surge to another All Time High happens this year.

In the current state of the Cycle, we might see the actual bottom in October or November.

Our measurement of our total quantity of discretionary funds that we have available will show us the absolute maximum that we could put into bitcoin, yet an overwhelming majority of the time, it is not going to be to our advantage to maximize our bitcoin investment based on how much discretionary funds that we have available.  For example, if we have been investing $100 per week into bitcoin for the past 20 weeks from our discretionary income, and maybe we have also been building up our back up funds with $50 per week, and maybe we have been discretionarily consuming around $50 per week during that same time, yet maybe we also have some special event coming up.  For example, perhaps our sister is getting married within the next 6 weeks, and we have several family members coming from out of town, and maybe we know that there is a certain level of poverty and difficulty in the family, and perhaps for the next 6 weeks we may well need to help the family and invest around $40 per week into the wedding and the various preparations, so after some consideration we decide that we will ONLY be able to invest around $80 per week into bitcoin for the next 6 weeks, and we would save only $40 and discretionarily consume only $40.. So we are trying to find a balance and to contribute towards the expenses of the family, even though we don't have to do that... but we consider such contribution is the best thing to do.   

Of course, not everyone is going to decide the same in terms of how much to allocate or what kinds of changes to make to our budget based on other discretionary ways that we could spend our available discretionary funds.


If we come to bitcoin with an investment focus that may well be 4-10 years or longer, then sure we likely expect that our bitcoin is going up in value and our total holdings will be in profits by the time we start to sell some of it later down the road, yet at the same time, even if we are assuming profits, we may also be ongoingly measuring how much bitcoin we have and is it worth enough so that we can start to sell some of it.. and so the focus is not really about profits but instead about having enough of it... and it can take a long time for guys to build up their bitcoin holdings to such an extent that they have enough or more than enough. 

Focusing on profits is a distraction, even though it is not irrelevant.. but instead it is presumed to be that the holdings will be "in profits" later down the road and when we start to cash out we might do price-based withdrawals and/or time-based withdrawals.. and profits are hardly even needed to be thought about.. and there might be questions that if we are starting to want generate $80k per income per year from our bitcoin, then how much is the minimum amount of bitcoin to have, and perhaps we want to make sure that our bitcoin holdings are 20% or more larger than the minimum amount to have.

So, right now if we are pretty sure that we can generate $80k per year or $6,666 per month if we have at least 15.2 BTC[, then maybe we would prefer that we have at least 17 or 18 BTC before we start to withdraw that amount... just to have a cushion.. or otherwise, maybe we would just choose to withdraw a lower amount until the BTC price recovers a bit.


In the example you gave, the person has zero discretionary income, so any amount that he invests is overinvesting (and/or overaggressive).  I don't know how you consider that $40 "sometimes" is overinvesting, since in your example, you said that the does not have any discretionary funds... He has to have discretionary funds and he has to figure out how much he has remaining from his $100 weekly after his expenses.  Then he can invest from some comfortable portion of his discretionary funds without overdoing it.


Part of the reason that we talk about simultaneously building back up funds is to help to make sure that guys have some cash cushion so that they do not have to sell their bitcoin merely because they don't have discretionary funds during certain weeks.

So if a guy determines that he has $40 in discretionary funds each week, then maybe a starting point would be for him to divide it into 3 parts and to put $13.33 into bitcoin, $13.33 into back up funds and $13.33 into his discretionary consumption, so then after 1 year of building these things, he would have had invested $693.33 into bitcoin, built his back up funds up to $693.33 and discretionarily consumed $693.33.  After a year he will be in a better situation, and it tends to take time to build up bitcoin holdings, yet there is a need to build and maintain some cash cushion too, especially for guys who might not have a lot of resources and who only have small amounts of discretionary funds available each week.


Before you determine whether the guy is investing aggressively, whimpily or reasonably, you have to figure out his basic expenses, so that you can determine how much discretionary funds he has available.  If you don't determine how much discretionary funds he has available, then you are working with incomplete information, making assumptions and perhaps putting yourself at risk due to sloppy assessing of the situation.

Of course, if guys find themselves having little to no discretionary income, then they may need to figure out if there could be ways that they could increase their discretionary income by increasing their income and/or by decreasing their expenses...otherwise they might not have enough money to invest, especially since investing is a 4-10 year or longer timeline, and if you are thinking about fucking around with timelines that are less than 4 years, then you are trading and/or gambling and not investing...so it can sometimes be difficult for poor people to commit to longer timelines, yet they are not going to be investing in bitcoin unless they can figure out how to have timelines of at least 4 years.


If you are taking money from your back up funds to buy bitcoin, then you are likely using reserve funds not emergency funds, since buying bitcoin is not an emergency, so you would not use emergency funds to buy bitcoin...

yet with reserve funds, you can authorize them in a variety of ways, including for buying bitcoin or even buying bitcoin price dips.

Emergency funds should be the last line of defense that you would tap into if you run out of all other funds. After you deplete your emergency funds then you would only have your bitcoin left to tap into.

Of course, we should have a hierarchy (Or priority) in which funds we tap into and use up first in the event we have situations in which our income had gone down and/or our expenses had gone up... and for example, if we had been buying bitcoin on  a weekly basis, then maybe as we are depleting our back up funds, at some point we will stop buying bitcoin, then then as we continue to deplete our funds, then we may well run out and have no remaining funds, which means that we would start to sell some of our bitcoin and surely if our income could go back up or our expenses could go back down, then maybe that might end up getting us to stop selling our bitcoin and perhaps building our back up funds back (especially our emergency funds).  Guys make judgements and priorities in these kinds of circumstances and hopefully try to minimize damage and not to screw things up too much.

Funny, during holidays I have more time to post on the forum.
And posting on the forum actually relaxes my mind.
So yes, I am the kind of person that bring laptop (and other gadgetry) on holiday.
And if you look in the forum, you'll see a few pictures that testify to that.

Actually, not that far away. AI integration in some companies has already started, where it is like a nightmare for some. This is not a good thing in my point of view because the use of AI in companies should be integrated in such a way that employees can do or perform their tasks in an easy way, not in a way where AI starts getting replaced with human employees. Some days ago, I was reading a news report that China banned AI from being replaced with a real human in companies. And I really appreciate this act of the government. Here you can also read that and tell me what you think about it.

https://fortune.com/2026/05/03/chinese-court-layoffs-workers-ai-replacement-labor-market/

And I really feel that this should be implemented internationally to keep maintaining the employment rate at a healthy level.

Even if your current description is mostly correct it does not make your original statement correct. I would first like to note here that there are exceptions such as convertible bonds which were frequently used by Strategy, and in case like that they are not expected to receive USD in return. They have the ability to choose if they want to become equity holders or cash. Besides that in some other cases bonds can have repayment structures that are not standard, they could be linked to assets or even other securities.

But still your original sentance that all share owners are the same and that there is no priority is wrong. If you look at liquidation priority it would be something like this:
1. Secured creditors.
2. Unsecured creditors.
3. Preferred shareholders.
4. Common shareholders.

So it is false to claim that there is no priority. In the case of liquidation the priority group must be paid full before the next group can get anything, so depending on the structure and the liquidation event common shareholders may get nothing even preferred shareholders could get very little if there is a lot in the first 2 groups.

Для меня непонятным остается тот факт, что из 103 кандидатов, фактически было добавлено новых 11 участников, которые заменили такое же количество выбывших. Просматривая никивыбывших, у меня возникло сомнение, что они могут по каким-то причинам могут не соответствовать по каким-либо параметрам, так как их траст лист не претерпел каких-то значимых изменений.

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আসসালামু আলাইকুম আশা করি সবাই ভাল আছেন,  চলে আসলাম মে মাসের একটিভিটি রিপোর্ট নিয়ে,এই মাস নিয়ে এক্সট্রা করে কিছু বলার নাই গত এপ্রিল মাসে যেমন পারফরমেন্স ছিল ঠিক তেমনি রয়েছে শুধুমাত্র মেরিট আর্নিং এর দিক থেকে দুইটা কমেছে এবং অন্য থেকে পোস্ট একটিভিটি ৭৮ থেকে ৯৩ এ পৌঁছেছে।
এখানে আর বিস্তারিত বলার কিছু নেই।

 নিচে বিস্তারিত ডাটা গুলো চার্টের মাধ্যমে তুলে ধরা হলো।

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মে মাসের  টোটাল পোস্ট হয়েছে           = 93টি

এবং  মেরিট ট্রানজেকশন হয়েছে                = 32টি

প্রথম তিনজন সর্বোচ্চ মেরিট অর্জনকারীঃ
DYING_S0UL   14
Bd officer   11
Crypto Library   7



প্রথম তিনজন সর্বোচ্চ মেরিট  সেন্ডারঃ
Xal0lex   15
GazetaBitcoin   6
Royal Cap   3

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এপ্রিল মাসের  টোটাল পোস্ট হয়েছে           = 78টি

এবং  মেরিট ট্রানজেকশন হয়েছে                = 34টি


প্রথম দশজন পোস্টদাতা
1. Bd officer: 24
2. DYING_S0UL: 20
3. Crypto Library: 12
4. Z_MBFM: 7
5. Shishir99: 5
6. Review Master: 4
7. Nothingtodo: 4
8. Royal Cap: 3
9. malekbaba: 2
10. shasan: 2



আজ পর্যন্ত বাংলাদেশ থ্রেডের সর্বোচ্চ ১০ জন পোস্টদাতাঃ
1. Crypto Library: [688]
2. God Of Thunder: [674]
3. Bd officer: [647]
4. DYING_S0UL: [598]
5. Little Mouse: [532+LM=8]
6. Review Master: [393]
7. LDL: [367]
8. Z_MBFM: [284]
9. Shishir99: [248] +
10. shasan: [247]  -

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বাংলা থ্রেড এর একটিভিটি ওভার ভিউ
২০১৪ সাল থেকে শুরু করে ২০২৫ সালের অ্যাক্টিভিটি ওভারভিউ



জানুয়ারি মাসের অ্যাক্টিভিটি ২০২৬
ফেব্রুয়ারি মাসের একটিভিটি ২০২৬
মার্চ মাসের একটিভিটি ২০২৬
এপ্রিল মাসের একটিভিটি ২০২৬
মে মাসের একটিভিটি ২০২৬


এনাদের ক্রেডিট না দিলেই নয়
Ninjastic.Space -> TryNinja
Merit Dashboard -> DdmrDdmr  

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Vor ein paar Tagen wurde wieder die neue Default Trust 1 Liste von theymos bekannt gegeben für den Monat Juni !

Hier waren wieder 103 Benutzer dafür berechtigt !

Original Beitrag von theymos : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117330.msg66787880#msg66787880


Alte Default Trust 1 Liste :

Neue Default Trust 1 Liste :

Aus dem Deutschen Bereich sind wieder dabei : bullrun2024bro , Lakai01 , mole0815 , Real-Duke , o_solo_miner , willi9974 , Buchi-88 , d5000 und meine wenigkeit !
Denke hier kann man nicht mekern 

Hier das genaue Update von LoyceV , Danke dafür !

Although you "may" be right, BUT currently, Bitcoin's Four-Year-Cycle is STILL INTACT. Why make decisions because you "believe" that you're absolutely right and the market is wrong, or you "feel" that something different is going to happen?

That's how "investors" lose their precious capital.

Esse é o ponto em que eu critico mais, muitos que são mais maxis e querem promover a todo o custo o Bitcoin.
As coisas tem de ser mais simples! Nem todo o mundo sabe de informática, nem tem de saber.

Parece devs ligados a cripto, tem muita dificuldade em fazer as coisas user friendly.

Depois vem sempre com aquela historia, de que se for simples, perde-se a segurança.
Tretas. A inovação é esta em criar coisas seguras e complexas, mas simples de usar.

Eu diria, que esse é dos maiores entraves, para haver mais pessoas a fazerem auto custodia e de utilizarem realmente BTC.




Eu tenho LN na Electrum. Mas, é apenas para utilizar nuns swaps internos, e quebrar cadeias de ligação.

Para abrir é uma pequena dor de cabeça, principalmente para quem nunca mexeu.
Você primeiro de se ligar a um canal. Pergunta: Qual canal? Onde encontro um canal?

OK, existe uns sites, meio confusos e fracos em informação clara, que listam canais. Você escolhe um, tenta abrir e descobre que o plafon mínimo de abertura é o dobro daquilo que quer colocar.

Vai ter de repetir tudo novamente. Até que você consegue encontrar um canal que consegue abrir. Mas, depois descobre que o canal obriga a manter x plafon em stack, que por sua vez é praticamente todo o plafon que você colocou lá. Tem de fechar o canal, e procurar outro para abrir.

Com o bitmover comentou, nisto tudo, você vai fazendo transações e pagando taxas. Se a taxa estiver alta, você queima muitos sats (agora que as taxas estão baixas é uma boa altura para testar).

No final, lá consegue abrir um canal como vai querer usar.

Mas, não acho que o problema esta na Electrum em si, mas na pouca informação que existe publicamente sobre os canais que esta publicamente divulgados. Na maioria deles, voce não consegue perceber qual o palfon mínimo de abertura, quanto tem de ficar em stack (se tem de ficar).

Pelo o que li, parte da culpa de isso acontecer, são os operadores dos canais, não divulgarem todos esses detalhes. O que torna tudo ainda mais sem sentido.

To annoying and feels so rough if we reach that 31k level, but this is part of the cycle and even if we undergo on such huge dips still best action to do is to hold. Selling is not good decision to do in that situation.

Well somehow good that you sold some of your stash on that year. But its good to proceed in this current market situation, Bitcoin is much cheaper compare on its last price so good opportunity to accumulate again.

We don't know if Bitcoin will go more lower, but as stated its good to continue since who knows after this current situation we have seen on Bitcoin now it will start to recover soon. Then maybe you can do your plans.

I would expect investors to know the differences in share structure and who has priority in the event of liquidation. Bitcoin is about personal responsibility too, so I do not see how we could blame Strategy for an investor not knowing the basics of capital structures and then getting involved in something that they did not understand. Sure among all the investors there are a fair amount that are buying this way, but the responsibility for those entirely lies with the individual. As long as the company is not doing anything illegal, all responsibility for decisions relating to investment come down to the individual. We can't defend someone who buys Strategy with the belief that the decisions of Saylor would not affect the company or that they are actually getting satoshis per share and not just exposure to it. I don't agree that the share owners are the same, in many cases such as liquidation of the company there are differences and priorities between the shares.

There is some flexibility in how companies can be structured, but overall it works the same for most companies so general shareholders are not always treated identically. You can issue different classes of share which can then have differences when it comes to rights, preferences in liquidation, voting rights, dividend rights and other things like that. I would be careful to say that there is no priority between them as bitmover wrote because that sounds wrong. In many cases shareholders do have priority. Even if outside of such situations they can be treated equal in some ways, that is not the same as saying that all share owners are the same.

Até hoje, não vi ninguém usando essa LN da Electrum, não vi um vídeo sequer, sem incentivos, quem que vai usar? Aqui mesmo em português não tem nada, nenhum conteúdo, vídeo, absolutamente nada, FLOPOU geral.

Eu usei a phoenix wallet há alguns meses atras, relativamente fácil, mas ainda assim, não acho serviços que aceitam LN com muita facilidade, se pra BTC onchain já é difícil...

É mil vezes mais fácil fazer uma transação onchain, pagando a taxa mais barata possível...

I believe you both saying same thing in understanding that investors don't own Bitcoin.
And on owning a share and bitcoin per share
Well a Company is an entity on it's own.
The Bitcoin is owned by the Company while the investors have rights in the life of the company.

There was an image then that showed level of priority then
All ordinary shareholders do but Bond holders have more priority than ordinary
Likewise some preferential shares.

You are citing your dumb fantasy-landia self to support your repetition of the same dumb idea.

How could the 200-Monthly Moving Average be any kind of realistic indicator of a reasonable bottoming point, when if you actually think about the matter, 200 months is 16.67 years which is like the totality of bitcoin's price history.. How can that be relevant, when there is just one of them?

I already responded to your above linked post in that other thread.  By the way, I did a quickie look at the 200-month moving average price, and I see that currently it is around $23k, and I was not able to do it on Trading view because I don't have a membership and it seemed that using moving average indicators requires a membership on Trading view.

I did accomplish some similar variation of an indicator by going to bitcoin wisdom.io, and when I was on the weekly candles, I went into the "Settings" tabs, and selected "Indicator parameters" at the bottom, and for the EMA/MA I put 866 for one of the parameters, which would be about the same when looking at the weekly candles as a 200-Month moving average.

I think that in the last year or maybe it was earlier, I had some discussions with @bitmover and also perhaps with some other members regarding the problematic potentials in terms of even relying upon bitcoin's 200-WMA when BTC did not even have a whole history of at least 4 years of price data, and even though I have been frequently using January 1, 2012 as bitcoin's starting pricing point since the BTC spot price and the 200-WMA was very close to $5 each.. yet at the same time, the 200-WMA is really not even in existence at that time, since bitcoin did not have any price when the first block was found on January 3, 2009 - yet even by the time a few trades were made to buy pizzas and/or alpaca socks in mid-2010-ish.. yet maybe we might not even really consider bitcoin to have a somewhat 4-year price history until perhaps measuring from mid-2010 to mid-2014, which might potentially first allow for the 200-WMA to become somewhat valid starting in mid-2014 rather than my January 1, 2012 starting date.

My point is that it comes off as even more retarded to proclaim the whole of bitcoin's price history as a moving average, especially when there are no comparison points, and perhaps there is also almost no reason to do it, except to figure out some ways to create wishful parameters in order to fantasize about some price that is not very likely to happen, yet to put some kind of a rational basis for that price to be "in play."


Frequently, it is difficult to get out of the mental trap of "could of," "should of," "would of," since afterwards the price moves seem to be so obvious, since they had already happened, yet for sure when we are in the midst of trying to balance our expectations of possibilities of UP versus possibilities of DOWN, we are likely coming up with some reasonable calculations based on what we feel that we know at the time.

I notice that you are merely saying that you sold over $100k - yet you are not really saying that you sold at the various higher BTC price points between $108k and $126k, even though the fact of the matter was that we spent a considerable amount of solid time of 3.5 months-ish between the beginning of July 2025 and mid-October 2025 in which BTC prices were fairly solidly in that upper range.

I have no way of really knowing how to fix our own attempts to have future regret, even though surely both price-based sustainable withdrawal and time-based sustainable withdrawal could be ways to attempt to at least try to take some of the emotions out of our bitcoin management practices, and you know that my own historical criticisms of guys deploying those practices as trades rather than actual sustainable withdrawal has frequently been to proclaim that guys should not be deploying such practices when they still consider themselves to be in their accumulation phase and also that I had frequently proclaimed that guys will prematurely and opportunistically assess  themselves being in overaccumulation status when they are really unable to resist their temptations to try to trade, which is so difficult to achieve even if we end up having some reasonably decent success in a decent number of our calls.

So then even with your selling of 10%-ish of your stash at supra $100k prices, if you really were not wanting to lessen your bitcoin holdings and you had intentions to either increase your bitcoin stash or at least to keep your bitcoin stash at similar levels that you had at the time that you sold, there still can be a lot of difficulties and dilemmas in regards to when to buy back and/or at what various price points to buy back how much of our stash with whatever funds that we have, whether it is from the money that had been generated from the earlier sale or if it might be from new money that we have coming in (to the extent that we might still be working and/or generating money from other investments that we might have).

So, yeah, even if some of us might have had chosen to sell some of our coins at supra $100k prices or whatever prices (even selling some at supra $90k prices is looking o.k. these days), there could almost be no way in hell that too many of us would be holding back large amounts of value to buy bitcoin in the low $50ks, or low $40ks or even Tzupy's assertion that $31k-ish price territories might reasonably be in play.. and so in some, sense bitcoin might be feeling like it might be broken if those kinds of seemingly outrageously low prices were to come even close to being touched upon, even though the way that Tzupy phrases the matter, he seems to be trying to normalize such BTC price extremes (especially on the low side) as if it were somewhat reasonable and would not even knock out reasonable chances for $250k-ish to come into play within the next cycle, and sure it is possible that he could be correct and there might be ways to stay calm, even if BTC prices seem to be wanting to go to what some of us (less bearishly inclined guys) might be considering outrageous lows.

In regards to your tentative plans for "next time we go above $100k," it may well be reasonable to authorize yourself for higher sales amounts, since none of us is getting any younger, and sometimes there can be acceptable parameters that don't really hurt to deploy, yet at the same time, it could be problematic to "overcorrect," too based on regrets about how you had ended up handling the last time around.  Sure, we should be striving to learn from our experiences, yet we also have to be careful about overcorrecting, to the extent overcorrecting could end up being an issue...

By the way, right now, I have BTC buy orders set down to right around $37.5k (which is getting close to 40% below our current 200-WMA), so I feel like I have prepared for further down than I had prepared for in 2022, since in 2022, my buy orders had gone down to slightly above $20k (right around 8% below the then 200-WMA that was at right around $22k).. and I thought that I was more than prepared, even for extremes that might end up playing out.. yet when the BTC price dropped from the upper $30ks to the lower $30ks based on the Terra/Luna news, I kind of got the sense that the BTC price was going to be fucked in the near term and even harder to really maintain support - especially the prior support that seemed to have existed in the mid-to-upper $20ks, so I made some adjustments to some of my buy orders to make my mid-to-upper $20k buy orders smaller and then to spread my buy orders down to the $19k-ish territories, which might have had gotten me to having BTC buy orders going to 12%-ish below the then 200-WMA.... and so I felt better after I had made those adjustments, yet my feeling better did not even seem to last very long, since it seems that during the rapid crash from the mid-$20ks and even going into the $17ks, had caused me to pull some of my buy orders off of the table, since if all of my then buy orders would have had executed, then I would have had spent all of my then available money, which was not a place that I wanted to be, even though having so many buy orders execute all the way from $60k-ish and all the way down to $20k-ish did not really leave very much money anyhow, so what money was remaining was likely more symbolic rather than materially meaningful in regards to my own portfolio management and/or my then buying on the dip bitcoin accumulation practices.

I scrambled for a day or two without any further buy orders and with some intentions to figure out how I was going to both treat my remaining money and any future expected income, which was largely to consider keeping the ongoing buy orders in place and perhaps to figure out some potential ways to just start to supplement what I was doing with a kind of return to DCA.. Many of us, who went through that period, realize that it was quite grueling all the way between about June 2022 and perhaps even into January/February 2023, even though perhaps around Christmas 2022 there were starting to appear some hopeful signs that the November bottom of $15,479 could be "in," yet surely even through a lot of 2023 the bottom being "in" was not even completely comfortable until perhaps starting around October 2023-ish when it started to be more and more convincing that Blackrock (et al) BTC spot ETFs were likely to both be approved and to go live in the then near future.

So, part of my point is that, I am feeling more prepared than I felt in 2022, since my outstanding BTC buy orders go down further than they had been in 2022, yet there still remains discomfort, even for me, that the ongoing entrance of new players into bitcoin, and the ongoing various disputes and battles around bitcoin, it becomes harder to really confidently conclude (speculate) that some of our earlier measurements around the 200-WMA will necessarily continue to hold - including my always ongoing suspicion that there are quite a few bitcoin custodians who are playing around with variations of paper bitcoin, and even though we have seen them get burned on the way down and on the way up, it frequently seems logical that their getting burnt on the way up would make it way more difficult for them to fill their bitcoin (balance sheet) hole as compared with when the BTC price is going down.. It seems that MTGOX was largely burned on the way up, and FTX was burned on the way down...so I am not even claiming to really figure out how some of the paper bitcoiners could be reasonable (and deservedly) be flushed from their BTC price manipulation systems/practices.


Right now, this is not an unreasonable framework, even though it can become too problematic to get too wedded to either strict expectations and of course, ongoingly holding back value when accumulating bitcoin.  Of course, when guys have already accumulated enough or more than enough bitcoin, they have more options since they have already assessed themselves as having enough or more than enough bitcoin, so they can deploy price-based sustainable withdrawal and/or time-based sustainable withdrawal, and the application becomes somewhat mechanical rather than trying to strategize and/or to time tops and/or bottoms.

It is warned many times like Jameson Lopp did but there are other people warned about this risk too.
There are some threats from bad backup models but loss due to complexity/ unable to restore the wallet from backup is one of such threats. OP is going to do something complicated for his wallet backup and recovery later, with risk of losing his bitcoins due to complexity in the end.

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Seed Backup Threat Model

We already know why we are creating seed backups - to protect against loss of whatever devices (if any) we are storing the keys on for regular use. But what do we need to worry about protecting the backups themselves against?
    Loss due to complexity / not being able to restore from backup
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Acho que esses dois pontos resumem bem, eu cheguei até a comentar sobre isso naquele tópico sobre as analises do Bitcoin as taxas estão muito baixas na rede principal. E a quantidade de nodes na LN está parada em um ano aumentaram só 0.54%.

Sem contar que para criar um nó é uma burocracia enorme e para validar transações é mais complexo ainda. Então, não tem atratividade alguma a rede.

Nem acho que seja caro, porque as taxas são baixas neste momento.
Mas, depois, encontrar um canal que funcione bem? Ou que aceite o montante que quer lá ter? Ou que permita fazer movimentos de determinados valores?

Enfim, eu até já abri dois canais e mantenho abertos no Electrum, mas a complexidade até lá chegar nada para um simples utilizador.

Acho que o facto de haver pouca motivação ao uso em compras de BTC, acaba por desmotivar o desenvolvimento de soluções mais simples.

NO, DON'T SELL DURING THOSE YEARS/THAT PART OF THE CYCLE.

- 2027 will be a year of the best buying opportunities part of the cycle.
- 2028 will be a Halving Year, and more price surges. Another year of buying opportunities.
- 2029, YOUR YEAR to sell. High probability the next All Time High will be made during 2029.

 

Para já esse é apenas um documento de analise/trabalho. Ainda nem é uma proposta, é um estudo de como pode entrar mais dinheiro no cofre da comissão europeia. Como o @alexrossi comentou, a UE continua só a fazer porcaria e por a Europa parada no tempo.

Esse documento, basicamente aponta para que as exchanges e afins, que estão regulamentadas, terão de cobrar uma taxa de 0.1% sobre eventualmente todas as transações realizadas.

O que significa, que por cada 1000€ transacionados realizadas na plataforma, a pessoa pagaria 1€ em taxas.



Achas mesmo que é difícil passar? Eu não.
Pode não ser exatamente como o documento descreve, pois é apenas um esboço. Mas se o tema já esta em cima da mesa, eles vão encontrar um formula para criar algum tipo de taxa adicional.

Agora, o documento também deixa claro, que este tipo de taxa, pode levar as pessoas a deixarem de usar exchanges europeias ou a fazer movimentos fora do mercado "regulado".

Por isso analise será muito cuidada e provavelmente não será construída na forma como esta a ser esboçada. Mas, vai sair alguma taxa, isso eu não tenho duvidas. Resta saber em que moldes, se realmente os mencionados no esboço ou de outra forma qualquer.

I am scared just thinking about it.   

When there is a problem between the player and the casino I believe it is extremely vital to have patience and effective communication. Many arguments grow out of proportion because they emotionally respond before they have all the facts. Players can get panicky when their account or money is involved, but it doesn't often help to jump to conclusions. Like any business. Casinos can make mistakes. And it's how they react and how they solve the issue that matters. Similarly, if a player finds out that he/she is wrong, it is mature to acknowledge and apologize for the mistake. When both parties are able to be respectful. Honest and cooperate to reach a reasonable resolution, trust is established.

I don't think you check that website more frequently than me.


Because it is simply false. Each share doesn't "own" X satoshis, it has satoshis "exposure".

First, those satoshis aren't redeemable. Second, the concept only applies to the shares that are at the bottom of the capital structure, in other words, in the event of a liquidation, MSTR shareholders would not receive a single satoshi—or just crumbs. And finally because right now, when he is trying to push the STRC  ATM, what happens is that every time it sells a share of STRC and tells you that your MSTR share has more bitcoins per share, he doesn't tell you that he's added more people above you who have priority over the bitcoins he purchased.


I’ve explained this to you before, but you keep bringing this up. When I say he’s created a fiat system, it’s because his system has a potentially infinite supply of shares, just like the monetary system, and because it’s based on the belief, or faith, that Saylor’s gamble will pay off.


That’s the thing: if you hold your own Bitcoins—especially in cold storage—and the price takes a big dive, you just sit tight and hold on to them. Strategy’s products, on the other hand, carry a clear company risk. 80% of STRC is held by retail investors. If the stock price drops below $90, panic will set in, and we already know how retail investors behave when there’s panic.


Overall, I agree with the analysis that GDP is more important for fiat than for Strategy, but the company doesn’t just manage reserves. It creates new products. MSTR had already created them; then it started buying Bitcoin with convertible debt, launched the ATM, and began issuing preferred shares to which it also applied the ATM. It doesn’t just manage reserves.

Previously, I had gone through a bit of a bet preparation process with ESG, and I told him that I was not going to enter any bets with him or to negotiate any actual bets with him.  So, yes.  We did not enter any bets.

As far as odds go, on an ongoing basis they are changing, especially if we might be wanting to dive into specific numbers rather than following through with some kind of a 50/50 bet situation.


Holding MSTR common stock seems a bit unnecessary, yet if you are only holding something in the ballpark of 10% or less of the size of your bitcoin holdings, then I can't see how it would make much of a  meaningful difference, even if it happens to be currently underperforming bitcoin by quite a bit.

Regarding making some kind of a sale of BTC in the $117k to $120k range, that sounds more like a price based sale, rather than time based selling, even though surely any of us can structure our sales however we like and rationalize them so that they might fit one system or another, so then within my own framing of time based sales, I personally think that any of us can sell up to 10% per year of the dollar value of our whole bitcoin holdings as long as we are valuating our holdings based on the 200-WMA and as long as the BTC price is at least 25% higher than the 200-WMA, yet right now, the 200-WMA is ONLY $61,700, and so our BTC spot price currently going below $64k means that the BTC spot price is ONLY barely teetering on 4% above the 200-WMA.. so then my own way of adapting to BTC prices falling below 25% above the 200-WMA and even further price drops is to reduce the withdrawal rate at various points if the BTC price goes lower than the 200-WMA.

My description on the sustainable withdrawal website is this:

>>>>>"When the BTC spot price is at least 25% above the 200-week moving average, then at least 1 month's withdrawal will be authorized; however,

A) if the BTC spot price is between 10% and 25% above the 200-week moving average, then you will be authorized to withdraw for only 90% of the current month's limit.
B. if the BTC spot price is between 0% and 10% above the 200-week moving average, then you will be authorized to withdraw for only 85% of the current month's limit.
C. if the BTC spot price is between 0% and 20% below the 200-week moving average, then you will be authorized to withdraw for only 70% of the current month's limit.
D. if the BTC spot price is between 20% and 30% below the 200-week moving average, then you will be authorized to withdraw for only 50% of the current month's limit.
E. if the BTC spot price is greater than 30% and 35% below the 200-week moving average, then you will be authorized to withdraw for only 40% of the current month's limit.
F. if the BTC spot price is greater than 35% below the 200-week moving average, then you will be not be authorized to withdraw any BTC from the budget."<<<<<<

So even within time-based sustainable withdrawal there could be some advantages in withdrawing higher amounts when the BTC price is higher so that withdrawals might not be necessary (or they could potentially be skipped) during periods that the BTC price is lower, especially once BTC spot prices are less than 25% above the 200-WMA.

I likely have mentioned previously that I prefer price based sustainable withdrawal during the time periods that any of us might consider ourselves to be early in our status of having enough or more than enough bitcoin, since it seems that time-based sustainable withdrawal can be more harsh in terms of starting to deplete the bitcoin stash size, yet each fo them have their draw backs, especially during periods that the bitcoin price is either going down rather than up or during periods that the bitcoin price might get stuck in down locations that are below 25% above the 200-WMA, and worse yet when the BTC price goes below the 200-WMA or substantially below the 200-WMA. .since frequently it seems that if the BTC price is close to the 200-WMA or even below the 200-WMA, those seem more like times for buying rather than selling..  yet if we have enough bitcoin or more than enough bitcoin, we might not necessarily be greatly damaged by ongoing selling of "what we must" levels of bitcoin, since it is also quite likely that our bitcoin holdings are still in decent profits, too.


We likely know that Blackrock is not our friend to the extent that they are able to stay neutral in whatever manipulation that they might do beyond just selling coins that they hold on behalf of clients... to the extent that Blackrock and/or any of the paper bitcoin dealers hold actual bitcoin rather than some other representation of their BTC spot ETF value that they are supposed to hold in order to back the shares.


You are doing god's work for sure, for us helpless lot.

Where would we be without your providing light within these dark caves?


Hahahaha

Funny how such self-defined enlightened fellow like ur lil selfie feels that he needs forum posts to make some money.




That is presumptuous.


Even if you were to get up to 2.5 BTC, you have almost no ability to hold them for any meaningful time, so why would it make much of  difference if you were able to accumulate a few more coins, just so you can fairly expeditiously cash them out into dollars anyhow?  It is not like you are ready, willling and/or able to actually hold bitcoin for much if any compounding.

You probably have not experienced a compounding in your bitcoin holdings for your whole life (or time in bitcoin - 14-ish years or more)... 

You probably don't even know what a bitcoin compounding is.^** ... or at least you don't believe in them.

 

**had to get my lil dig in there.


I was almost with you somac.. ... yet both you and Biodom are proclaiming such absolutes as if they would be "bitcoin breakers," and we know that bitcoin does all kinds of crazy shit, just to show that it can. 

Surely, I understand one aspect of Biodom's logic to assert that bitcoin's repeating a previous pattern with the level of matching from prior cycles brings it down to very outrageous numbers that make it uninvestible or almost uninvestible.. which maybe is part of the goal to try to get people to think that bitcoin is not investible.. and surely at the same time, there have been and likely are going to continue to be all kinds of attacks on self-custody to create disincentives to hold our own bitcoin and to put accounting burdens on holding our own bitcoin ..

I just don't like absolutes. ... even though surely we have dicktwats that pull as many resources as they can to manipulate bitcoin as extremely as they are able to accomplish with whatever tools that they have, and if they can get it into even greater extremes, they will do it... but if the dicktwats had their way, we would still be sub $500 prices from early 2016.


Just think about how much "our" quality of life would be improved.. it would be well worth whatever asking price, no? I might have to put it into my time-based withdrawals. weekly?  monthly? Quarterly?  Could automate the payments.

Now we might start to appreciate how that dweeb twat makes money.. ..

He wears "normal" and "reasonable" peeps out.

 

Well, if 31k will be the bottom of an ABC correction, then you could expect the next ATH to be around 250k. So that's not a scary scenario IMO.
The future could be a lot more bearish, if 31k is going to be just the bottom of A, of a much larger ABC.
And the previous bear flag reached much lower than usually expected from a bear flag, so this one could get a bit scary too.

In 2022, the BTC price went about 35.5% below the then 200-WMA, which was a low of $15,479 and a then 200-WMA of $23,952

Today, right now, the 200-WMA is $61,736, and you are expecting the BTC price to go to $31k, which would be greater than 50% below the 200-WMA?

Remember that right now, the 200-WMA is going up in the ballpark of slightly greater than $30 per day.

 

In many cases it is natural for the KYC thing to seem like just a high level eyewash or drama. All the data of us ordinary people is systematically extracted. However the smuggler can easily sneak out by building some kind of backdoor.

Whatever, I do not accept that this is a frivolous or unimportant thing. Even if it occasionally gets knocked down by tricks of the international level. But this strict rule has at least created a big tangle or friction for small hacker or criminal.

At the end of the day this whole story has shown us once again that where petty money and dirty games of geopolitics are involved the unwritten rule of this world is to bend the rules and regulations

Acho que a maioria das pessoas começou, nem pensou muito na parte rentável.

A ideia de criar algo novo, diferente, inovador e disruptivo, foi o maior motor de toda a evolução do ecossistema Bitcoin (nos seus primeiros 3-4 anos).
Isso quase terminou, desde que o foco se virou para o rentável.

Alias, eu diria que hoje em dia, parece que existe menos criatividade e criação do que antes. Talvez a generalização do IA, possa ser outro marco semelhante ao Bitcoin, mesmo assim, acho que não tem o elemento disruptivo e diferenciador que o Bitcoin teve.

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But there is no way you can stop everybody not to be patient, because they will not believe you until they experience some losses that will make them to ask some questions that will make them to begin to be patient whenever the losses is much. Just like what I was told when I was a child that if someone or stranger done something good for you and you don't say thank you, it will be hard for such stranger to repeat it another time, because it show that you did not value what he or she gave to you or impact you about casino.

When you make mistakes and you know it will affect you when justice occur, why can't you apologize immediately and continue maintaining the relationship with the casino team, I guess the owner of the casino will understand better than claiming right when you fully know that you are wrong.

Privacy-oriented services have never been a problem.
As HTX was given a high AML risk by one regulation and all coins related to this exchange, I can only assume what kind of chaos would arise if Binance were also on the sanctioned list because of something like this.

Fact of the matter is that by purchasing an ordinary stock in business, you are purchasing literally tiny portion of a whole business entity. When one of the largest corporations chooses to place thousands of digital coins on its balance sheet, then mathematical concept of pegging a particular amount of satoshis to a particular share makes pen sense on paper. I think that coins per share concept is correct since when you own a portion of a company, it automatically means that you own a portion of all other things owned by the company. When a company purchases a wealth of digital assets, then those assets will be included in the overall wealth of the company, and it will boost the worth of your stock directly. Although this true as in an unfavorable banking downturn, the stockholders come in last after top bank lenders, this is a prime drawback to any corporate investment you purchase in a marketplace. Until you decide to part with tight control of printing your share, then the easiest and fair method of sharing in the growth of your investment is to observe your investment in terms of this share math.

Acho que a galera mais nova, ou que perdeu o início das criptomoedas, está com esse mesmo pensamento com IA..

O problema é achar algo rentável.. e lá pra cima já tem muita empresa gigante (apesar que já tinha muita exchange cripto por ai quando a Binance surgiu) e mesmo assim quase todas estão no negativo até então, só a Nvidia se salva:


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Saylor doesn't just issue shares. What he does first is to buy Bitcoin in a centralized manner, store it with a third party—without P2P or privacy—and take it out of circulation, at least for a long period of time. Then, he is using that finite, decentralized Bitcoin as a basis to create a series of centralized and potentially infinite products. Exactly like the fiat system that never stops expanding.


What better returns? MSTR was the worst performing company of the Nasdaq 100 in 2025, let's see 2026. STRC dividends aren't "returns" as such, the are legally return on capital, which means he is paying you back the money you put in not something extra.


Not exactly. Central banks are backed by a nation’s GDP and other assets, such as gold reserves, which cannot be redeemed for banknotes—just as the Bitcoins held by Strategy cannot be redeemed for shares and the products of the company are not just backed by the Bitcoin but also by the GDP-like activity of the company, namely its ability to issue products.


That is the only difference; otherwise, the system Saylor has set up is just like fiat currency: potentially infinite expansion, non-redeemable assets, and centralization.


Bitcoin per share is just another bullshit concept, I'll have to start a new thread to explain it, because it applies to shares that rank just at the bottom of creditors. Can you or bitmover tell me how many bitcoins per share correspond to one STRC share?

If anyone wants to see the best critical analysis of the company that has been done recently, they can watch these two videos.

How MSTR Can Go To Zero

More Thoughts On Michael Saylor and Strategy

The guy who makes the videos isn't just anyone—he's a hardcore Bitcoin enthusiast with extensive technical knowledge who was once praised by Saylor and who conducts a thorough mathematical analysis of the company, while also highlighting Saylor's many contradictions.

If anyone wants a summary of the videos, just enter the URL into Gemini, and it'll summarize them for you in a flash.

Well?

Whether you intended it or not, I am going to go with $8 million as your target number under the 200-WMA auspices, which would thereby allow you to start to withdraw at $800k per year ($66,666 per month), once your bitcoin quantity is  reached or exceeded.

On this very day, it seems to me that even using the 200-WMA as a guideline, a guy would need to have at least 144 bitcoin in order to sustainably support an income of $800k per year or $66,667 per month (with a 7% increase each year), so that is not really seeming like a small amount of BTC that too many normie guys could easily achieve, even if he had been into bitcoin for 11 years or more. 

I am sure that the quantity of coins needed for such a starting amount of $800k per year will go down stupendously in the coming years, and I really doubt that it is going to take 8 years to get there.. even though this table shows that there would ONLY need to be 17.25 BTC to support such an income that starts at $800k per year in early 2034, my personally updated table shows the need for slightly more than 24 bitcoin by the beginning of 2034 to be able to start out at the $800k per year income. .. .. so yeah, I don't know.. it is quite a bit to speculate 8 years into the future.


I was predisposed. .and surely her rendition of the Star Spangled Banner in 1991 was a nice and short example.


The way I read the poll is that the "no" out number the "yes" by about 50%.. the outcome is 21 yes to 31 no.



To me, the votes and the outcome of the votes does not look wrong - even though we sure might not know with any confidence if the "bottom is in" or not.  Yet.

The question is, what will those humans do whose work is being done by machines or robots? It's not like they are going to get paid for doing nothing, or those who own the companies or firms where the machines and robots are working are going to feed everyone for free. So, the people will still need to find a way to make money, and in the future, as it seems, it will be very difficult without using AI. This is why it is essential for all of us to at least equip ourselves with enough knowledge so that we can at least use AI to assist us in what we do, whether it's something digital, or physical.

With the pace the AI technology is advancing and developing, it is pretty clear that in the future, most of everything will be done and managed by AI, and those who don't adapt and change before it's too late will surely regret it. We can't say that we won't use AI because it is going to replace us, we have to understand that we can become stronger if we incorporate AI in our work, use it as an assistance, save time and be more efficient with whatever we do.

here^[1] you will find more than 50 terms. If you want more, use the search function as there are more topics.


Most of them haven't changed since 2024, so you might need to add 5 or 10 terms that appeared in 2025 to have a complete list.

It does not mean anything at all with my many years in Bitcoin market and this forum.

You are not a millionaire or a billionaire and you must be realistic with what you are doing for your life, investment and withdrawals from your investment portfolios.

You invest money in Bitcoin for profit, for improving your finance and wealth but even you investing with your discretionary income, let's say you must plan to withdraw part of your investment likely its profit in the future. Investment without withdrawing profit does not make me feeling like I am investing at all.

Be realistic is also about withdrawing for your spending need, as even if you have saving, emergency fund, some time in the future you will need to spend big money for something, it's time for taking profit partially and use it.
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I don't like the MSTR business model either. I fully agree that this is not what Bitcoin is meant to be.

However, I still think @bitmover has a point, in contrast to a Central Bank (which has nearly absolute power to increase the supply) there are strong incentives in place that the share emission stays moderate to not impact the "bitcoins by share" number. Before seeing the table I actually expected much worse numbers.

The debt system built on top on Bitcoin by Strategy is more worrying though. The problem is in my eyes that the connection between debt and the held Bitcoins isn't straightfoward and everything also hangs on the BTC/USD exchange rate which determines the attractiveness of Strategy's shares. If MSTR ever had problems to repay its debt *and* BTC/USD exchange rate at that very moment was low and the market was bearish, then there fastly could be strong forces leading to major Bitcoin sales, which again would impact the "Bitcoin by share" number, and create a nice panic.

This could eventually rebalance when people remember the high returns MSTR gave them in 2024/25 and the market considers the share "undervalued" after an extreme panic event (pseudoscientific hopium stories like the "4 year cycle" and "stock to flow" may help while they somehow work ), but it could also lead to a collapse.

I'm not too worried though. A Saylor exit or near-exit (Microstrategy could also return to the software business and hold only a few BTC) may lead to some price turbulences then we have one Damocles' sword less. It would however impact a smooth transition of BTC to a stable asset. Some would like that volatility spike though.

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Only 103 users were eligible for DT1, so most of the removed users didn't lose the "lottery", they didn't qualify this month. That's probably because of inactivity.

I never said that newbies need an emergency fund before starting to invest in bitcoin, yet I did say that beginners need some back up funds so that they do not use non-discretionary funds to invest into bitcoin.


Guys should not be starting investing into bitcoin with absolutely zero back up funds and/or emergency funds.  If you are a beginner and you invest 100% of your discretionary funds into bitcoin, and you otherwise have no back up funds (or emergency funds), then how is that going to work if you have any basic expense prior to your next paycheck?  And, what if your next pay check does not come in the amount you expected or it gets delayed?  What you going to do?


If you do not have discretionary funds, then you cannot invest in bitcoin, since if you buy bitcoin  that would be trading and/or gambling not investing.

You have to have discretionary funds in order to invest in bitcoin, so it doesn't matter if your situation is different or not.. if your situation is so different that you do not have discretionary funds, then you do not have enough money to invest in bitcoin.  You have to figure out some ways to increase your discretionary funds by increasing your income and/or decreasing your expenses.

At the same time, you believe that you have discretionary funds and you buy bitcoin with it, you cannot use 100% of the discretionary funds to buy bitcoin without having back up funds, since you would not be investing, you would be trading and/or gambling.  I don't recommend trading/gambling with your bitcoin, and this thread is about investing in bitcoin, specifically my ideas about bitcoin investing.


Do you think that you are going to invest in bitcoin without any back up funds?   How is that investing? rather than gambling or trading?  How can you hold for 4-10 years or longer if you have absolutely no back up funds?

You are not making any sense with your question that presumes that you can invest into bitcoin without back up funds.

If you have no back up funds, then how are you going to know that you are not using money beyond your discretionary funds?  And if you are using non-discretionary funds to buy bitcoin, how is that investing? 

Maybe you need to think through your own questions Creeper0.


You do not invest in bitcoin until you have enough money that means that you have enough discretionary funds that also allow you to be confident that you are both not investing beyond your discretionary funds and that you are not using money that you need.  You are investing money that you can afford to lose.  If you cannot afford to lose it, then you don't have enough money to invest in bitcoin.


You want to use your bitcoin investment as your emergency funds?  That does not sound like a good idea for a poor person, even though if a person is starting out with $1 million dollars (or the equivalent in bitcoin) then that might work o.k.

Also if the guy has a low expectation of an income, then if he starts out with even a lower amount, like $500k worth of bitcoin, then that might work to have all of that money in bitcoin if for example, he might be willing to draw around $3k per month from his bitcoin.. So if he were able to buy 7 bitcoin right now, and then planned to sustainably withdraw around $3k per month, then maybe in those circumstances, currently, he would not need any other cash and he could just start to live off of his 7 bitcoin and sustainably withdraw the bitcoin at $3k per month and give himself a 7% increase each year..


Maybe you need to better explain. Do you have expenses in cash or not?  You expect to use 100% of your discretionary income and buy bitcoin with it and not to have any back up funds?  I have my doubts about your having had thought through how your plan is going to work.  Maybe you need to provide some specifics regarding how your plan is going to supposedly work?


You are contradicting yourself.  At first you said not to have back up funds, and now you are saying that there is a need for back up funds.  You come off as lost @Creeper0

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I agree, it's worth the wait when you've been patient and didn't panic. That's right as they have promoted and allotted a budget in it and they have attracted a lot of new users to them. Others are concluding quickly when they don't see those factors that you have said and true to that, everyone makes a mistake and even the casinos themselves but they are quick to make it right.

I think the tech sector and sectors that involves large production capacity are more vulnerable to Ai takeover, but in reality, although Ai is efficient enough, the workers who stand to be replaced lose their earning and purchasing power.
So imagine a scenario where AI takes over all sectors of the economy and workers are laid off without a way to earn all because of AI efficiency, then we would have economic stagnation because there would be so many products available but no one with money to buy them or use them, because there are no human jobs to earn money from, available.

If you don't mind, I really appreciate you recommending the book.
Before now, I have always felt like the era of AI taking over is still very far away, but in recent times, we've all seen big tech companies, laying off thousands of their staffs in a single day. Meta has done it a couple of times, and if I remember correctly, Oracle was the last to do that. Of course, I can agree that there are still so many sectors that are a bit far from the threats we're talking about, but don't you think that the Tech sector is likely to be the most vulnerable to this threat?.

So you are one of those that don't bring laptops on your holidays? Every year I say I won't bring mine because I barely touch it when I am at holiday, but then at the last minute I pack it anyway.

Anyway, enjoy your holiday. 


I have a feeling that he has been pestered by members of his local board, because I remember reading something along those lines from other local board merit sources.


That's the only way that makes sense. Otherwise, its just a waste of time.

Good to hear that and I think this shows that with connection and communication, if explained well then an unban can happen.

True, if it has happened with other users, they'll come out with accusation quickly. But that is understandable when they have been done with such through their accounts when they thought everything is just fine.

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