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Quote from: examplens on Today at 08:29:13 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on Today at 06:51:10 PM

A new mixer from the Seychelles announced itself on Bitcointalk 4 days ago, and started a signature campaign today. It's pretending to be an "exchange" that can split deposits into multiple wallets "100% private without KYC":

This is a clear violation of the mixer ban.

I suspect that theymos will be ruthless with this service, although I would prefer to see customization, and Splitnow to remove the part of the service that is considered a mixer.

Although when they explain it, it is unclear to me how we got into a problem with mixers and where the narrative of "money laundering" in some crypto transactions came from.

Quote from: splitnow on December 08, 2025, 07:44:35 PM

Our service is not a mixer - it's designed to make it easier for users, specifically businesses, to keep BTC and other cryptocurrencies on their balance sheets while remaining flexible with payments. With SplitNOW you can pay out any cryptocurrency to up to 100 people at once, in a single transaction. This is payment infrastructure, not a mixer service. The in-kind asset swaps are designed to make our multi-sending feature as versatile as possible.

I don't think this is exactly a mixer. Certainly it is good to call theymos attention to it, so he can decide to be more flexible or not about this ban.

But splitting UTXO in different wallets isn't a mixer neither a coinjoin. As far as I understand this service, you won't receive other people coins, only when exchanging.

Quote from: splitnow on December 09, 2025, 07:44:56 PM

Quote from: coupable on December 08, 2025, 11:38:26 PM

Quote from: splitnow on December 08, 2025, 07:44:35 PM

Quote from: examplens on December 08, 2025, 11:03:22 AM

Quote from: NotATether on December 08, 2025, 08:26:22 AM

No, not remotely.

A mixer would be if you send the service BTC and you get another grade of BTC back.

But exchanges swap one crypto for another, so they don't qualify.

SplitNOW has the ability to "swap" BTC for BTC or ETH for ETH for a fee. This is a mixing feature, so this service can be considered a combination of mixer-swap.
I remember that eXch disabled such an option in order not to be subject to banning from this forum.

Our service is not a mixer - it's designed to make it easier for users, specifically businesses, to keep BTC and other cryptocurrencies on their balance sheets while remaining flexible with payments. With SplitNOW you can pay out any cryptocurrency to up to 100 people at once, in a single transaction. This is payment infrastructure, not a mixer service. The in-kind asset swaps are designed to make our multi-sending feature as versatile as possible.

This is still can be considered a mixing service as well. Let's say I have 100 XMR from unknown source and i want to swap them for USDT without being exposed. I can use a VPN to access your service and receive clean USDT without my identity being exposed. And even be more anonymous by splitting the amount between multiple addresses. I doubt the authorities would accept let you run such a service without enforcing KYC, otherwise you can find yourself involved in accusations of supporting frauds.

If I understood you well, you will act as intermediary between the user and the exchanger. Apart from this, anybody can split his funds manually or by using some tools to send to multiple addresses available online.

What you are describing is a swap between one cryptocurrency to another. Any privacy or anonymity from this action is a result of one of the assets (XMR) being a privacy token, not from our exchange service. If you replace XMR with BTC in your example, the transaction is no longer private - therefore, the anonymity in your example comes entirely from XMR. It is legally permissible to provide swaps between privacy tokens, and it is not considered a mixer - merely an exchange.

It still has a touch of a mixer as no account creation is required. In the same example let's change XMR with BTC. If I send you BTC and then swap it to ETH, then send the ETH again and swap it to BTC again. Doesn't this mean I get fresh BTC considering always that the first deposit was from a stolen funds and I use VPN to access the service and no accouts or KYC are required.

And if one of the addresses is flagged later after completing the swap, what you plan to do with authorities?

I am not against privacy and I wish there are many exchanges offering privacy swaps, but some questions are worth the answer.

Quote from: examplens on Today at 08:29:13 PM

A new mixer from the Seychelles
Although when they explain it, it is unclear to me how we got into a problem with mixers and where the narrative of "money laundering" in some crypto transactions came from.

From what have garner and been sticking with is that the forum is against anything that improves privacy
And promotes Non KYC policy for all customers.
I know some may argue with my usage of anything but that's how I am really picturing it.
The truth is privacy is just a fairytale dream.

Quote from: examplens on Today at 10:30:03 AM

Even if you send directly from a private wallet, without any checks (when we are talking about Bitcoin), it usually takes at least 10 minutes for the transaction to be processed in the next block.

yeah, but the 27 minutes here is not time waiting for a nrtwork confirmatoin, it's just how long it took for them to send it, and i don't think they would need to manually verfty such a small amount for a rank 10 player.

maybe the hot wallet was empty or something, who knows.
but one thing for sure, the withdrawals are not instant, but they are usually very fast, i have a few withdrawals before, and all were sent within 5 minutes.

Quote from: examplens on Today at 10:30:03 AM

Yes, I saw a quick withdrawal, but 27 minutes is certainly not something to worry about.

i would only start worying if it's +24 hours and nothing has been sent.

Quote from: examplens on Today at 10:44:57 AM

Quote from: katanic97 on December 09, 2025, 10:16:48 PM

Quote from: mitchr4 on December 09, 2025, 01:25:53 PM

Considering that Inter and PSV are both playing at home and their recent performances really solid, it would be interesting to combine them in a multi bet with odds of x6.
Real Madrid always faces difficulties when playing against England teams, whether it's a curse or something else. However, I believe they can still easily get 3 points against Man City, even though they just lost heavily to Celta Vigo. Hopefully, Real Madrid can bounce back from that defeat.

I skipped Inter, i played a straight win on PSV and of course they lost. I underestimated Alvarez and the team, but still, PSV put up good resistance. Real Madrid should be able to recover from the defeat, but City is not an easy opponent. It seems to me that both teams could score, because i really don’t know who could win that match, but i do expect goals. Tomorrow i need to bet smartly , hopefully a lot smarter than today.

The latter phase of LS often brought "unexpected" results. Many bigger teams don't even make a special effort, because they don't want the risk of injury, the most important players are often saved for currently more important games in the national league. I would not be surprised if Real-City is a tactical and boring game, because they are sure that they will collect a sufficient number of points against outsiders.
This is the stage when all predictions are very uncertain, because many teams simply do not have a "must-win" motive.

What you’re saying makes sense, but when you look at the table you realize that City and Real aren’t in such a good position at all. Real are 6th, City are 12th. The goal is to be in the top 8, so in my opinion this match should be open and full of chances. The new champions league format is better for me, because when there was a group stage, teams could calculate more and play tactically. Here, the "big" clubs still aim to qualify for the top 8

Quote from: examplens on Today at 02:54:06 PM

Quote from: Hulk990 on Today at 02:29:47 PM

Where is the transparency of Cloudbet Review Campaign?
Scammer @Cloudbet and Scammer @Hhampuz
Why you guys are hiding? Why are you guys afraid to come forward and talk about this publicly? If you guys are not scammers then why are not you guys giving a clear explanation about the contest?

Stop trolling. The crap you wrote is not a review, nor is it worth a single cent. If you don't understand why it's like that, then obviously it's not worth explaining to you, you simply don't have enough capacity to understand.
If you were paid for the crap you wrote, both Cloudbet and Hhampuz would risk their reputation for buying shitty feedback.

You Stop defending scammers. Stop supporting them. They won’t pay you for flattering them, you fool.

Quote from: examplens on Today at 10:36:39 AM

Quote from: The Cryptovator on Today at 08:15:31 AM

OP seems inactive for a month; I hope everything is fine, or I'm not sure if the BC team is active with any other accounts. I want to ask, have you noticed another fiat withdrawal issue on the scam accusation board? If not, then you must notice that and move forward to solve the fiat issues. The withdrawal seems successful on your user dashboard, but the user hasn't received it in his bank account. That means it's your local fiat agent has issues like before. You have to cross-check the issue with the local fiat agent and solve this.

I confirm this, and it can be said that it is not accidental.
For some other reasons, I have been following their sub on Reddit for a while. It is quite neglected, plus there are regularly accusations of withdrawal marked as successful even though it is not, or even of not adding a deposit.
Support seems to be nonexistent.

A friend of mine had this same issue with this casino some weeks back, though it was later resolved, but my friend had to borrow money to sort out the issue he intended sorting out with the money he was withdrawing from this casino..

He requested a withdrawal in Fiat, the withdrawal was marked as successful but he waited several hours and the money did not arrive on his account, he later contacted customer care and it took them over 4 hours to respond, long story short, the matter was later resolved in 4 days and this left my guys absolutely disappointed that he swore never to gamble on this casino again, according to him, the casino disappointed him at a crucial time and if not that he had a means of borrowing, a lot of things could have gone wrong with what he urgently needed that money to sort.

Quote from: examplens on Today at 01:07:16 PM

Quote from: icopress on December 09, 2025, 04:00:45 PM

Quote from: rammy2k2 on December 09, 2025, 03:52:13 PM

Liverpool always been my favourite from Premier League , their power and determination to come back from any negative score is amazing

Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about!

They still have a fantastic roster. If you look at any period of time when Iskak was in form, you'll see that he was brutally dominant against any team. He's just a little lacking in confidence, but with more minutes on the court, I think he'll get it back.

There's no way this could happen. At least two teams are better than Liverpool, and probably four. A crazy bet has a better chance of Aston Villa winning the PL than Liverpool. It will be very difficult for Liverpool to reach the top 5 this season, because their problems are not just a few bad games. The current L'pool team has never looked good on the field, and I think the team with Isak, Wirtz...

I honestly have to agree with you completely because even if Liverpool end up waking up now to start dominating every game they play, it will still be very difficult, like as good as impossible for the to win that Premier league this season due to the number of games and points they've lost in this season already, the best they can do Is achieve a higher ranking on the league table, which I still believe that reachinf the 5th place may as well be difficult cus no matter how good they become, they can't possibly win every match from now to the finish of this season.

Anyways, I would add that currently, I can't tell which team has the better chance of winning the league title this season, because I was believing would have started messing around and it's very disappointing.

Quote from: examplens on Today at 10:30:03 AM

Even if you send directly from a private wallet, without any checks (when we are talking about Bitcoin), it usually takes at least 10 minutes for the transaction to be processed in the next block.
Yes, I saw a quick withdrawal, but 27 minutes is certainly not something to worry about.

Yeah, for Bitcoin it takes about 10 minutes, but sometimes you get a stuck transaction and then you wait for half an hour or even more. It's not that common, but it happens. I never used Litecoin so I'm not sure how often there is a stuck transaction on their blockchain, but I'm sure it happens from time to time.

Quote from: coupable on December 08, 2025, 11:38:26 PM

Quote from: splitnow on December 08, 2025, 07:44:35 PM

Quote from: examplens on December 08, 2025, 11:03:22 AM

Quote from: NotATether on December 08, 2025, 08:26:22 AM

No, not remotely.

A mixer would be if you send the service BTC and you get another grade of BTC back.

But exchanges swap one crypto for another, so they don't qualify.

SplitNOW has the ability to "swap" BTC for BTC or ETH for ETH for a fee. This is a mixing feature, so this service can be considered a combination of mixer-swap.
I remember that eXch disabled such an option in order not to be subject to banning from this forum.

Our service is not a mixer - it's designed to make it easier for users, specifically businesses, to keep BTC and other cryptocurrencies on their balance sheets while remaining flexible with payments. With SplitNOW you can pay out any cryptocurrency to up to 100 people at once, in a single transaction. This is payment infrastructure, not a mixer service. The in-kind asset swaps are designed to make our multi-sending feature as versatile as possible.

This is still can be considered a mixing service as well. Let's say I have 100 XMR from unknown source and i want to swap them for USDT without being exposed. I can use a VPN to access your service and receive clean USDT without my identity being exposed. And even be more anonymous by splitting the amount between multiple addresses. I doubt the authorities would accept let you run such a service without enforcing KYC, otherwise you can find yourself involved in accusations of supporting frauds.

If I understood you well, you will act as intermediary between the user and the exchanger. Apart from this, anybody can split his funds manually or by using some tools to send to multiple addresses available online.

What you are describing is a swap between one cryptocurrency to another. Any privacy or anonymity from this action is a result of one of the assets (XMR) being a privacy token, not from our exchange service. If you replace XMR with BTC in your example, the transaction is no longer private - therefore, the anonymity in your example comes entirely from XMR. It is legally permissible to provide swaps between privacy tokens, and it is not considered a mixer - merely an exchange.

Quote from: splitnow on Today at 07:44:35 PM

Quote from: examplens on Today at 11:03:22 AM

Quote from: NotATether on Today at 08:26:22 AM

No, not remotely.

A mixer would be if you send the service BTC and you get another grade of BTC back.

But exchanges swap one crypto for another, so they don't qualify.

SplitNOW has the ability to "swap" BTC for BTC or ETH for ETH for a fee. This is a mixing feature, so this service can be considered a combination of mixer-swap.
I remember that eXch disabled such an option in order not to be subject to banning from this forum.

Our service is not a mixer - it's designed to make it easier for users, specifically businesses, to keep BTC and other cryptocurrencies on their balance sheets while remaining flexible with payments. With SplitNOW you can pay out any cryptocurrency to up to 100 people at once, in a single transaction. This is payment infrastructure, not a mixer service. The in-kind asset swaps are designed to make our multi-sending feature as versatile as possible.

This is still can be considered a mixing service as well. Let's say I have 100 XMR from unknown source and i want to swap them for USDT without being exposed. I can use a VPN to access your service and receive clean USDT without my identity being exposed. And even be more anonymous by splitting the amount between multiple addresses. I doubt the authorities would accept let you run such a service without enforcing KYC, otherwise you can find yourself involved in accusations of supporting frauds.

If I understood you well, you will act as intermediary between the user and the exchanger. Apart from this, anybody can split his funds manually or by using some tools to send to multiple addresses available online.

Quote from: examplens on Today at 11:03:22 AM

Quote from: NotATether on Today at 08:26:22 AM

No, not remotely.

A mixer would be if you send the service BTC and you get another grade of BTC back.

But exchanges swap one crypto for another, so they don't qualify.

SplitNOW has the ability to "swap" BTC for BTC or ETH for ETH for a fee. This is a mixing feature, so this service can be considered a combination of mixer-swap.
I remember that eXch disabled such an option in order not to be subject to banning from this forum.

Our service is not a mixer - it's designed to make it easier for users, specifically businesses, to keep BTC and other cryptocurrencies on their balance sheets while remaining flexible with payments. With SplitNOW you can pay out any cryptocurrency to up to 100 people at once, in a single transaction. This is payment infrastructure, not a mixer service. The in-kind asset swaps are designed to make our multi-sending feature as versatile as possible.

Quote from: examplens on December 07, 2025, 02:52:43 PM

Tottenham won yesterday, I hope you took some money there.
I think Tottenham, Man United are the worst bets right now. They can beat anyone, and they can also lose to anyone. Probably the most unstable teams, maybe Liverpool can be added to them, although it's no longer a surprise for them when they don't win.
All my bets where I picked Man United ended up as losses. So the decision is that I no longer consider them as an option in any direction.

I did it! 🎅🎅🎅

It was stupid to miss this game, considering Kudus was back and Tottenham were playing at home!

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Quote from: examplens on Today at 11:12:16 AM

@Pieq, Considering that you are a total newbie here and you don't have any reliable references, using the escrow service is mandatory. Without it, expect to be considered high risk.

Quote from: Pieq on December 07, 2025, 05:34:09 PM

Quote from: NotATether on December 07, 2025, 12:23:53 PM

What are your liquidity reserves for XMR and BTC?

Since this is a small and new service liquidity is limited, but I plan on increasing it as needed.
If someone needs a swap that requires more liquidity than I currently have available, I'm always open to discussing it.
It's possible I can still handle the request by securing the needed liquidity within a few days, if the user agrees to wait.

You gave a rather incomplete answer. It would be very useful if you could provide information range in which you can provide the service. What is the minimum, and what is the maximum that you can process in one swap?
Today is 2025, with an unstable market, waiting a few days for a swap is pointless, to say the least.

I agree with you, I should've given numbers, I apologize for the oversight.

Basically, my liquidity for this service is tied to my personal holdings, which can fluctuate quite a bit on a daily basis.
To ensure I have enough on hand, I've set aside $2k in dedicated wallets for swaps, as I don't expect larger trades at this point, given my new status here.
However, I am able to handle larger transactions once the need arises.

When I mentioned that users may need to wait a few days for larger trades, I was referring to high 5 figure to low 6 figure transactions, which is the upper limit of what I can access for swaps.

There’s no minimum. Users are welcome to come to me for swaps as small as they need.

Quote from: FeeBuddy on Today at 04:11:11 PM

fastestFee: 2.512 sat/vB
halfHourFee: 1.333 sat/vB
hourFee: 0.613 sat/vB
economyFee: 0.2 sat/vB
minimumFee: 0.1 sat/vB

Hey guys, I was finally able to update FeeBuddy to the more precise estimations, now supporting less than 1 sat/vB estimations of fees.

I will quote users who are active here in the thread:
@examplens @nutildah @stompix @BlackHatCoiner @LoyceV

Maybe I missed someone.

Quote from: examplens on Today at 10:51:47 AM

The title is won by winning "small" games even when the team is not in ideal shape. It is much easier for a manager to motivate a team against a big name than against a team where you are the favourite and victory is mandatory. That is the manager's job and if Arsenal fails, it will be Arteta's fault alone. Such things happen much less often to Pep or Klopp earlier, because they have enough experience to maintain the team.
Probably the best example ever is Sir Alex Ferguson, who very rarely lost to teams outside the top 4, that's why he won titles, even with very average players.

You made a great point except for the last sentence - I need to remind you that he Had Hobb Webb and the entire FA under his Web. He was Late Queen Elizabeth favourite manager and every ref wanted to see the Queen happy. He was a great manager no doubts but.....

Quote from: JollyGood on Today at 03:28:01 PM

Maresca has to rotate the squad according to the players he has available. All managers have the same problem, they have to adapt when they are faced with injury problems. On occasion, maybe a mass rotation is required to freshen the team (and maybe the manger will take that action depending on the opposition). We should assess Maresca at the season alongside Guardiola and Arteta. Maybe he is exploring tactics?

Agreed but in our case we didn't have any injuries crisis - Caicedo was the only unavailable player from Barcelona and Arsenal fixtures, he had the entire team and decided to be funny.

Exploring tactics since last season?

Quote from: igebotz on December 07, 2025, 09:26:42 PM

How often have we seen Arteta or Pep rotate more than 10% of their lineups in league games? You can't develop stability through massive rotation every weekend. That's our major problem.

Maresca has to rotate the squad according to the players he has available. All managers have the same problem, they have to adapt when they are faced with injury problems. On occasion, maybe a mass rotation is required to freshen the team (and maybe the manger will take that action depending on the opposition). We should assess Maresca at the season alongside Guardiola and Arteta. Maybe he is exploring tactics?

Quote from: examplens on Today at 10:51:47 AM

The title is won by winning "small" games even when the team is not in ideal shape. It is much easier for a manager to motivate a team against a big name than against a team where you are the favourite and victory is mandatory. That is the manager's job and if Arsenal fails, it will be Arteta's fault alone. Such things happen much less often to Pep or Klopp earlier, because they have enough experience to maintain the team.
Probably the best example ever is Sir Alex Ferguson, who very rarely lost to teams outside the top 4, that's why he won titles, even with very average players.

Arteta and Maresca have not won the Premier League whereas Guardiola has won the Premier League six times. They will have to find their way as they search for their first title. For last few season when Arsenal were challenging for the title, they seemed to have run out of steam towards the latter part of the season and Arteta was (rightly) blamed.

Chelsea were doing well under Maresca last season until they started to drop too many points. It seems as though Chelsea have already started doing the same thing therefore they could be out of the race if they do not start winning games again.

Quote from: examplens on Today at 11:20:56 AM

What awaits us here? Will the miners pay us to perform transactions? Grin

@bitmover, is it maybe time to update this algorithm? It doesn't seem to show below 1 sat/vB, unlike what we see on Mempool

I will see what I can do

For now, I am using this API from mempool.space, which wasn`t updated yet

https://mempool.space/api/v1/fees/recommended

Code:

{
"fastestFee": 2,
"halfHourFee": 1,
"hourFee": 1,
"economyFee": 1,
"minimumFee": 1
}

I think mempool.space uses the websocket to get this more precise data in their website. I will try to use it later on....

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on Today at 11:35:04 AM

Wolves win win a game at some point in the PL but I don’t think that will be tonight. Wolves are in terrible shape, really terrible team.

If Amorim underrates Wolves and chooses to rotate the team, thinking they must be able to win against Wolves, they may just get the shocker tonight and lose like Chelsea did to Leeds.

It may be too late for him to put his best players back if Wolves score like a goal and grow in confidence in the game.

Quote from: examplens on Today at 10:42:47 AM

I won't be surprised if Wolves turn into Barca's prime tonight.

Hahaaha

It is football, of course; anything can happen. If Grimsby could do it to Manchester United, Wolves can do it.

The odds for Wolves to do it look good.

Quote from: icopress on December 06, 2025, 02:22:51 AM

Quote from: examplens on December 05, 2025, 10:11:20 AM

What a mess with Bitlist threads and the red circle icon. Suddenly, it's everywhere, Grin

It's getting harder and harder to know which one is for what. A small change on the icon adapted to the discussion would be useful, a different colour or maybe not complete the whole circle for discussions about development.

It sounds reasonable, but of those that could be used across various topics, I only see a few worthy emoji. But if we look at it through the lens of social identity, a single symbol for all threads + including the full domain name ... would ultimately benefit the project as a whole.

I think it would make the threads a lot more clearer if you put a one-word subject inside brackets, like this:

Code:

[SIG] ⭕ BitList.co - lorem ipsum dolor sit amet

Code:

[NINJASTIC] ⭕ BitList.co - lorem ipsum dolor sit amet

Code:

[TELEGRAM BOT] ⭕ BitList.co - lorem ipsum dolor sit amet

Code:

[ANN] ⭕ BitList.co - lorem ipsum dolor sit amet

or some variation of that.

Keep it short and simple, so it doesn't get cut off in the browser HTML.

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on Today at 11:35:04 AM

Quote from: examplens on Today at 10:42:47 AM

Wolves are in a desperate shape, perhaps the worst team that has played in the Premier League, they have a desperate series of defeats. But when it comes to Man United, anything is possible. I won't be surprised if Wolves turn into Barca's prime tonight.
Man United has knocked me down some very interesting wins more than once, so even when it should be obvious that they will win, I will not take them into account.

Wolves win win a game at some point in the PL but I don’t think that will be tonight. Wolves are in terrible shape, really terrible team. Man Utd are far from their former glories but surely they will do what is required tonight to get the 3 points.

But the question is whether the surprise point for Wolves to win tonight will be shown to Manchester United? Indeed, it is unlikely that the away team will lose because if they win by grabbing 3 points tonight, they will be level again with Chelsea 25 points, so the advantage for Manchester United to win.
Still, your doubts must be where this team is also not very good, sometimes against low teams also play badly usually.

Quote from: examplens on Today at 10:42:47 AM

Wolves are in a desperate shape, perhaps the worst team that has played in the Premier League, they have a desperate series of defeats. But when it comes to Man United, anything is possible. I won't be surprised if Wolves turn into Barca's prime tonight.
Man United has knocked me down some very interesting wins more than once, so even when it should be obvious that they will win, I will not take them into account.

Wolves win win a game at some point in the PL but I don’t think that will be tonight. Wolves are in terrible shape, really terrible team. Man Utd are far from their former glories but surely they will do what is required tonight to get the 3 points.

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Quote from: examplens on December 03, 2025, 08:42:37 PM

Also, I got free bet from a raffle contest
I'm a little surprised that the odds on Arsenal against VIlla is even 1.93, it seems to me a solid chance.

I'd prefer another option... There are several teams from the top leagues (one of them is Tottenham) that are very well-known and generally strong, but they haven't won many matches in a row. They have games again tomorrow, and I'm thinking about making a big bet.

I'm hesitant yet... as I'm left with a bad taste in my mouth from their last game, when I bet and lost about $1,000. Roll Eyes

Hey manager icopress, sorry for the loss. That is not a small amount and if that amount was loss by some kind of gamblers, there would be a loud cry but I believed you have a thick skin to over such big loss. If you are talking about Tottenham Hotspur vs Brentford match. From the recent matches between the two teams, Tottenham Hotspur has won tremendously against Brentford so if you are supporting them to win it might be a good bet for you. And I wish you all the best to win that game.

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Quote from: mitchr4 on Today at 03:52:29 AM

Quote from: examplens on December 03, 2025, 08:42:37 PM

Also, I got free bet from a raffle contest
I'm a little surprised that the odds on Arsenal against VIlla is even 1.93, it seems to me a solid chance.

A minimum odds requirement of 1.3x for a free bet is pretty low. Most other sportsbooks usually set the minimum at around 1.5-1.8x. Having a free bet that stays active for almost a month is also a big advantage. With that duration, we can wait for our favorite sport to place a bet, especially since some sports are only played at certain times.

This is actually a very useful feature that greatly benefits customers who have won a free bet.

I have also won free bets on other sites, but either they have very high odds requirements (sometimes even over 1. Cool

or you have to place the bets within 3 days, which is quite difficult during the week if you specialize in certain sports. This forces you to bet on leagues you don't know anything about or to switch sports completely, both of which are more like gambling and have little to do with "sensible" sports betting.

Well in that case, you can place the bets on the low odds team to win as low odds suggest that the chances for that bet to end up winning are greater.

Also if I was at your place, I would have randomly bet on any team without analysing (if that sports was new to me) because it is a free bet and it's better to try your luck. Three days are enough to place bets, as there are so many match bets available every day and even every hour.

Quote from: mitchr4 on Today at 03:52:29 AM

Quote from: examplens on December 03, 2025, 08:42:37 PM

Also, I got free bet from a raffle contest
I'm a little surprised that the odds on Arsenal against VIlla is even 1.93, it seems to me a solid chance.

A minimum odds requirement of 1.3x for a free bet is pretty low. Most other sportsbooks usually set the minimum at around 1.5-1.8x. Having a free bet that stays active for almost a month is also a big advantage. With that duration, we can wait for our favorite sport to place a bet, especially since some sports are only played at certain times.

This is actually a very useful feature that greatly benefits customers who have won a free bet.

I have also won free bets on other sites, but either they have very high odds requirements (sometimes even over 1. Cool

or you have to place the bets within 3 days, which is quite difficult during the week if you specialize in certain sports. This forces you to bet on leagues you don't know anything about or to switch sports completely, both of which are more like gambling and have little to do with “sensible” sports betting.

Quote from: examplens on December 03, 2025, 08:42:37 PM

Also, I got free bet from a raffle contest
I'm a little surprised that the odds on Arsenal against VIlla is even 1.93, it seems to me a solid chance.

A minimum odds requirement of 1.3x for a free bet is pretty low. Most other sportsbooks usually set the minimum at around 1.5-1.8x. Having a free bet that stays active for almost a month is also a big advantage. With that duration, we can wait for our favorite sport to place a bet, especially since some sports are only played at certain times.

Quote from: icopress on Today at 02:33:26 AM

I'd prefer another option... There are several teams from the top leagues (one of them is Tottenham) that are very well-known and generally strong, but they haven't won many matches in a row. They have games again tomorrow, and I'm thinking about making a big bet.

I'm hesitant yet... as I'm left with a bad taste in my mouth from their last game, when I bet and lost about $1,000. Roll Eyes

Both teams have been struggling lately, so I think Tottenham has a slight advantage since they're playing at home. In their last H2H, they also managed to win without conceding at Brentford’s home. For me, this is a pretty good opportunity to pick Spurs to win. Even though Spurs sometimes struggle when playing at home, I believe they can improve in their upcoming match against Brentford. The current odds for picking Spurs are 2.36x, which is quite interesting and offers a good chance to double money easily.

Quote from: examplens on December 03, 2025, 08:42:37 PM

Also, I got free bet from a raffle contest
I'm a little surprised that the odds on Arsenal against VIlla is even 1.93, it seems to me a solid chance.

I'd prefer another option... There are several teams from the top leagues (one of them is Tottenham) that are very well-known and generally strong, but they haven't won many matches in a row. They have games again tomorrow, and I'm thinking about making a big bet.

I'm hesitant yet... as I'm left with a bad taste in my mouth from their last game, when I bet and lost about $1,000. Roll Eyes

Quote from: examplens on December 05, 2025, 10:11:20 AM

What a mess with Bitlist threads and the red circle icon. Suddenly, it's everywhere, Grin

It's getting harder and harder to know which one is for what. A small change on the icon adapted to the discussion would be useful, a different colour or maybe not complete the whole circle for discussions about development.

It sounds reasonable, but of those that could be used across various topics, I only see a few worthy emoji. But if we look at it through the lens of social identity, a single symbol for all threads + including the full domain name ... would ultimately benefit the project as a whole.

By the way, we have new signatures!

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Quote from: examplens on December 03, 2025, 08:57:52 PM

Do not accept such things as final. Different AML check tools can give quite different results.
Recently, a large number of users did an AML check of the coins obtained from a well-known mixer, and the results used to be quite different depending on which AML checker was used.
It should not be expected that only "clean" coins will be obtained with Bridgoro, because there are other factors that will influence that.

You are right we really can't treat the results of a aml checking tool as gospel, as they can be using different heuristics to calculate the results so the results generated by one tools as clean can be tainted by other's result. Therefore we can't take the results for granted although I know what you are talking about.

Actually the tools mostly used were not too good, it was free tier tools, the good ones provide some more details so but at the end the aml did have some impact and can save customers from problems.

Quote from: examplens on Today at 02:21:01 PM

Have you tried how the platform behaves in case of RBF use?

I'll test this later, December 5 is kids-day here

Quote from: Bridgoro on Today at 02:46:06 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on Today at 01:56:43 PM

When I Canceled my Offer, Bridgoro took a fee. Is that as intended? If so: Let's say a user creates an Offer, and nobody buys it. After a few days, he Cancels his offer to get his money back (and try elsewhere). If he still has to pay a fee for an Offer that wasn't sold, he's going to be very disappointed and probably won't return.

The fee that was deducted is used strictly for the network fee.

That would make sense, but it's not what happened. See my Rollback Transaction:
The transaction fee was 141 sats, and 311 sats (0.1%) was sent to tb1q7nqts63qz0w8j5k97jwprsupsaxwg8q3j9sndv, which I assume is Bridgoro's address.

Quote from: LoyceV on Today at 01:56:43 PM

This will make it less likely, but not impossible to occur: my transaction must have had about 145 inputs, and it's possible for a user to have collected more small inputs.

Everything is possible, which is why we need more time for a deeper investigation.

Quote from: LoyceV on Today at 01:56:43 PM

I won't claim I know much about Monero's internal workings, but I found this:

Quote from: https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/2402/creating-and-splitting-transactions

So the transaction splitting function is not an anonymity thing, it's due to the dynamic block size limiter. Right now testnet is on the block median, and you're trying to create a transaction that is much larger than that block limit.

-- fluffyponyza, Dec 14, 2016

Based on the above, it could be this is much less likely to occur on real Monero than on testnet.

We also assume that the Monero GUI splits transactions more frequently on testnets than on mainnet, but we want to verify this. Even after the Beta ends, we will publish our research here and make sure to mention you.

Quote from: LoyceV on Today at 01:56:43 PM

I've Cancelled Offer ID: cafac829-b0fc-4fc2-a2a3-5863eaff6204, and received a return payment:
Inputs:

Code:

4783950x24x1 tb1q4dnrml9y4czawmgvjyvf7gp34gups4fwel72m7 0.003117

Outputs:

Code:

358cac89d9:0 tb1q6hlep3yytgv6q0dl8uuj932y9hvhwnqqzvhza5 0.00311248
358cac89d9:1 tb1q7nqts63qz0w8j5k97jwprsupsaxwg8q3j9sndv 0.00000311

So the refund went to the first address I sent from. If I would have sent this from an exchange, the rollback would be lost for me.

We will figure out where to place a warning message advising users not to send funds directly from an exchange and to use a native wallet temporarily.

Quote from: LoyceV on Today at 01:56:43 PM

When I Canceled my Offer, Bridgoro took a fee. Is that as intended? If so: Let's say a user creates an Offer, and nobody buys it. After a few days, he Cancels his offer to get his money back (and try elsewhere). If he still has to pay a fee for an Offer that wasn't sold, he's going to be very disappointed and probably won't return.

The fee that was deducted is used strictly for the network fee.

Quote from: LoyceV on Today at 01:56:43 PM

I tried underfunding a transaction again. Now I receive this email:

Code:

Dear Seller,
We have detected an underpayment for your offer. The partially confirmed deposit amount is less than the required amount.
~
Your transaction will be refunded shortly once we receive all the confirmations. Next time, please make sure to send the exact amount you specified when creating the offer.

Works fine now

Yeah, we prioritize fixing minor bugs first since they take less time to resolve.

Quote from: examplens on Today at 02:21:01 PM

Have you tried how the platform behaves in case of RBF use?

If you mean Replace-by-Fee, then yeah that's a good point!
This also needs to be tested.

Quote from: examplens on Today at 02:21:01 PM

What happens if the Bridgoro platform recognises a transaction on the blockchain, which is later replaced by a new one?
Is the order ID linked to the TX ID, or to the amount of deposited coins after 1st confirmation?
As I say, I didn't test, I don't even have testnet coins now, I see that LoyceV a.k.a. LauraV is in the process of testing.
Just ignore if this has already been discussed.

The confirmed amount on the blockchain cannot be replaced.

Quote from: examplens on Today at 12:50:40 PM

What did I just see? Embarrassed

It became more and more obvious over the past few months that Satofan44 has no idea how the Trust system is supposed to be used:

Quote from: LoyceV on July 01, 2025, 06:09:02 AM

@Satofan44: a bit of unsolicited advice: don't get sucked into The Bitcointalk Drama. Something tells me you enjoy the technical side of the forum much more.

But hey, up to him Tongue

Quote from: examplens on Today at 12:50:40 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on November 22, 2025, 06:00:08 PM

Quote from: apogio on November 22, 2025, 05:42:17 PM

May I ask who is LauraV?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2633033

What did I just see? Embarrassed

Quote from: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=459836

Satofan44

2025-11-22

Reference

Alt account of LauraV.

Hey, am I the only one who didn't catch that?

Quote from: LoyceV on December 04, 2025, 03:18:17 PM

Thanks, I'm LEVEL 4 now. Let's test what happens if I deposit 250 XMR from Monero GUI Wallet, which I mined in chunks of about 0.7925 XMR each. When I send 250 XMR (in 1 transaction), my wallet splits it into 3 transactions:
Unfortunately, Bridgoro only picks up one deposit:
I did not receive an "Offer Underpaid" email.
Considering Bridgoro didn't pick up on the full amount, I expected it to return the 115.093352523206 XMR (based on the following quote), but that didn't happen:
My offer for 115.09~ XMR is now available on Bridgoro. This looks like a bug: when it's fixed, I can test it again.

So, we are still investigating this issue, but as promised, we want to share some preliminary details about what we have uncovered so far and briefly explain how the system works and how we plan to address it.

The exchange mechanism is designed so that the buffer wallet counts only one incoming transaction and compares it against the on-chain balance. It's also hardcoded to calculate fees based on just two operations: the recipient's transaction and the network fee. As we've seen, Monero has the peculiarity of splitting a single transfer into multiple outputs. The same situation will occur during the reverse payout: the recipient's fee will also be split into several outputs, but our system calculates the fee for only one outgoing transaction, not for multiple outputs.

Right now, rewriting the internal exchange logic would take several months, including extensive local testing. We initially considered adding support for crediting multiple outputs, but that approach introduces the risk of recognizing fake tokens embedded within the native coin. To avoid this, the system intentionally counts only the first transaction that will be confirmed on-chain. There are many possible solutions, and the debate can go on forever, especially around creating Monero-specific workarounds. But Bridgoro will manage real user funds, and we don't want to rely on duct tape. The system must be designed cleanly around predictable, controlled functionality.

Why did your 250 XMR offer still process but end up counting only 115 XMR instead of a rollback?
The problem is that the system confirmed the balance on the blockchain, which reflected the full 250 XMR, but it only counted the first input of 115 XMR. Because of that, there was no rollback of the 115 XMR and the remaining inputs went into the Dumb Fee category. This is a temporary solution, and any exceeded amount can be retrieved through the Collector Module after a short investigation.

The solution we've decided on for now:
We will update the logic so that the system validates the exact transaction amount, rather than relying on the total wallet balance. With this update, the transaction will be canceled when there's a mismatch, and the user will receive only the amount from the first output. Any additional inputs (second, third, etc.) will remain in the buffer as Dumb Fee, and can later be recovered through the Collector Module.
To prevent this situation in the meantime, the system will temporarily limit XMR amounts to avoid triggering multiple inputs/outputs. As a result, during the launch phase, users won't be able to exchange more than $5,000 worth of XMR at once.

If someone intentionally attempts to exploit this behavior and sends a larger transaction anyway (as you demonstrated), any resulting loss of XMR will be the user's own responsibility, since they actively bypassed the system's constraints.

Overall, everything here is still preliminary. We are continuing to research and evaluate different solutions to ensure the behavior is handled reliably and securely.

Quote from: examplens on Today at 09:51:42 AM

I haven't tested it, so if this has already been discussed, just ignore my comment.
For a refund, it must be possible to add another address, not the same one from which the coins were sent. Users will often send a deposit to Bridgoro directly from another exchange, where it is most often an operational hot wallet, and the refund to such an address will not end up with a specific user.

We will review this and likely implement it as well.
However, since many parts of the exchange feature were hardcoded, this update will need to be addressed after the release. Rewriting and testing it locally will require additional development time.

Quote from: LoyceV on Today at 10:22:40 AM

Let's test:
When selling Monero, it asks for a "Monero Rollback Address". But when selling Bitcoin, it doesn't ask for a return address.
I've created a new Order, and sent (test) Bitcoin from these addresses:

Code:

4783615x18x0 tb1q6hlep3yytgv6q0dl8uuj932y9hvhwnqqzvhza5 0.00031652
4783799x37x0 tb1qxjlzu5vsgudzhrl7fzfngm604cntwjt848lwkr 0.00100239
4783604x18x1 tb1qy2pjce6er89ruymwcp25xyggw8pz623z54xgvh 0.00149947
4783801x31x0 tb1qt0e3gd4zzm5zxtu0taathmnr0efpjhy8m2kn3j 0.00022149
4783604x4x0 tb1qqd2zx6lcfd98pnpzn5drls780s2s46x6sxek7s 0.00014469

I'll see what happens when I Cancel my transaction when it's confirmed (which will probably take 2 hours).

Please share your results here once you are done testing.
I want to emphasize that your tests are currently among the most important ones for us.

Quote from: examplens on Today at 09:51:42 AM

I haven't tested it

Let's test:
When selling Monero, it asks for a "Monero Rollback Address". But when selling Bitcoin, it doesn't ask for a return address.
I've created a new Order, and sent (test) Bitcoin from these addresses:

Code:

4783615x18x0 tb1q6hlep3yytgv6q0dl8uuj932y9hvhwnqqzvhza5 0.00031652
4783799x37x0 tb1qxjlzu5vsgudzhrl7fzfngm604cntwjt848lwkr 0.00100239
4783604x18x1 tb1qy2pjce6er89ruymwcp25xyggw8pz623z54xgvh 0.00149947
4783801x31x0 tb1qt0e3gd4zzm5zxtu0taathmnr0efpjhy8m2kn3j 0.00022149
4783604x4x0 tb1qqd2zx6lcfd98pnpzn5drls780s2s46x6sxek7s 0.00014469

Quote

For a refund, it must be possible to add another address, not the same one from which the coins were sent.

I'll see what happens when I Cancel my transaction when it's confirmed (which will probably take 2 hours).

Quote from: examplens on Today at 09:08:19 PM

The challenge for icopress has just been announced. I guess the marketing part is his concern, and he has to change the fact that members like LoyceV don't know much about bitlist.co

Loyce is well acquainted with BitList, but he must have forgotten.

I think he even turned down my request to wear a BitList signature a few months ago, so he's definitely visited the site. Cheesy