Received and extended. You must have to send atleast 25$ per week. If you miss then I have to tag you. You have already missed a lots of weekly repayment.

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I have accepted your loan request and sent usdt to your wallet. Please check you account balance. And please try to repay the loan. If you take new loan each week then it will be impossible to repay the loan.

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Repayment confirmed in full, thank you.

Probably similar to how IFFT works. Add a bunch of if-else statements and control how the app behaves. Assuming they're just recording steps required to submit orders and pick the payments then you might not have to give any personal info. But I doubt that's the case, especially when you're talking about LLM or AI from a cloud service interacting with your device. At least you'll have to give some info on where you buy orders and your accounts. CMIIW.

I’ll be happy to hear that explanation, as well as to understand why I’ve been treated in such an unprofessional way.

And I’ll be even happier to receive my money and never use their website again, if that’s what they want.

I appeaciate your effort.

In this case, I doubt there’s going to be any friendly resolution, although I’m still open to one. This isn’t an “account review” that’s taking too long, and they’re not even just giving me the runaround.
They’ve deleted all my records and my account, muted my chat, declined withdrawals, confiscated my balance, and confirmed via chat that this is a final decision.
I’ve been betting for 20 years, so this isn’t the first time I’ve seen this pattern. I don’t see any route left other than civil litigation.
The reason I’m looking for more affected users is that I want to submit a list of multiple cases to their licensing regulator. One unhappy user is just an anecdote. A dozen is a pattern of scam/abuse.

There are more similar threads, both on this forum and on others, and some of them were only resolved after the issue went public.
The Winna representative shows up and, once the story starts getting attention from the community, they suddenly make the decision that should’ve been made from the very beginning: pay the player.
But what if you don’t complain? What happens then? Do they just keep your money while muting you in their chat, closing your account, and deleting the support chat history?
It’s honestly shameful. Their actions speak worse about them than I ever could.



Of course, I also filed a formal complaint to complaints@winna.com, forwarded to support@winna.com as well, and so far I haven’t received any reply.

My messages to Bennet and Paul on Telegram haven’t even been read, let alone answered.

My account has been deleted and I’ve lost access to it. Support chat either doesn’t reply or just tells me to submit the complaint by email. In the support message itself, they clearly state that the decision is final and that there’s no review process ongoing.

It's a bit of a strech to call them that, there's only been 3 threads on scam accusation board made about them.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5554571.0 - This one, Winna's official rep already made a response.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5580783.0 - This is still an ongoing investigation
And then there's this thread.

It seems you have a similar case with the guy who made a complaint about them on AskGamblers.
https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/winna-casino-unable-to-withdraw
BTW, have you checked your registered email for any updates from them? In the other thread (well, on a screenshot), they told the complainant that updates about their case are only sent via registered email.
You could also file a complaint on AskGamblers. Although looking at that 1 unresolved complaint, it might also take a while before they respond there.

I agree, it’s a ridiculous amount of money, but it’s my money.

And honestly, imagine what they’d do with bigger amounts. How are you supposed to feel safe playing for high stakes if they’re already pulling this kind of crap over 700 USD? Just look at that chat reply… WTF is that? Lol. It’s a joke. No info, no accountability, just a big “fuck you”.

I’ve been checking several threads around here, and in some cases they told users their accounts were closed because they were flagged as fraudsters for doing “value betting”.

What even is value betting? It’s simply a user placing bets on overpriced odds, which are supposed to reflect the implied probability of an outcome. But putting up the odds is your job. Unless the user is exploiting an obvious/manifold error, if someone is getting an edge from your odds, your risk management should be to limit their stake sizing down to almost zero, like all the big bookies do, Bet365, WH, etc. Then pay this guy out and ban his IP, crypto addresses, fingerprint and whatever else you need to ban. That’s fair. Returning only the initial deposits is already shady as hell, but confiscating all the money is just insane.

You can’t just call people fraudsters for doing your job better than you. Well, actually, they didn’t even do that themselves, they just pay Betby to manage all the risk. But judging by those forum replies, you can clearly see what kind of people they are. How can they seriously think they’re in the right here?

I find all of this completely unnecessary. Just give me my money, shake my hand, and we’ll never see each other again.

Since they’re trying to cancel our gaming contract, my lawyers suggested filing a civil claim to have it declared void from the beginning and claim back all deposited amounts. And I’m not the kind of guy who makes empty threats. In two days, we’ll move forward with the plan to get this resolved in a not-so-friendly way.

The Winna representative can reply here publicly. I’ve also messaged him and Paul on Telegram.

If anyone else got scammed by Winna, message me. I’ll let you join a joint action for free, I’m covering all the costs.

Best regards.

Well said. Right now, China has just positioned itself as Africa's first choice market they will think of to sell their products to. China needs Africa as much as Africa also needs China. Hopefully, by the time other countries notice that China is dominating the African Market, they will relax some of their tariff policies to make international trades between Africa and them more convenient and with ease of access. They are not doing Africa any favour; it's a thing of mutual benefit.

Correct. Whenever China makes a big move to strengthen their position in global politics, economics and other whatnots, people make statements like: "China must have something to gain or something up their sleeves", of course they do, just like any other country. There is no country that implements policies that would be counterproductive to themselves, so it is nothing new. I guess the West have just naturally turned many poeple against China, but that still hasn't stopped their march towards global dominance.

I'm not interested in experimenting, given the risks, but this assumption seems relevant considering how user deposit sweeps generally work on centralized exchanges. Every time someone creates a Freewallet wallet, they're automatically reflected on HitBTC as a new user.

However, I wonder why, with access to sophisticated analytical and intelligence tools, no one has been able to take down these two services and apprehend their owners.

He shared what he believes is evidence linking the two services on his X account,

Regardless of how their connection is proven or whether it can be fully verified, there are many reports of users losing money and complaints about both services

If he really wants to take legal action, he should go ahead and he may refer to the cases documented by victims in this forum. He may also prepare a comprehensive report. BTW, Evidence of funds moving on-chain It could be useful evidence in an official investigation..

I would advise him to avoid any asset recovery services and to submit complaints only to official authorities, while also avoiding fake or impersonating websites.

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