To be fair, China still lags behind the United States in most areas. But there is no denying that they are developing faster and more strongly than any other country. With such a growth rate, they will sooner or later catch up with the United States if the United States does not accelerate its own growth rate.
In my opinion, the United States needs more solutions than just using trade wars and restricting technology exports to contain this country.
The United States used to face challenges with every way possible to break down its competitors. In addition to financement issues, China is facing challenges with the USA that are not directly related to artificial intelligences. Limiting access to micro chips and supporting Taiwan against China to influence TSMC products sold to China, are the weapon used by USA to stay at top countries in term of high tech and AI.
Yes, I know all of that. But in my opinion and observation, the United States can only slow down the development and rise of China. They cannot completely stop China because it is too powerful to defeat. However, it will likely take a very long time before China can match the United States.
All the chaos that Trump is causing globally is aimed at containing China and the formation of a multipolar world. Let's wait and see if they succeed.
I just took a look at what their Terms & Conditions say when it comes to withdrawing big amounts of winnings. @coupable is right. They can process such payments in multiple installments, and they choose how and when to pay out large winnings.
Here is the exact quote from their TOS on the subject of large withdrawals:
4.8 Large Withdrawals: For any withdrawal request exceeding the equivalent of 50,000 USDT (or its equivalent in other supported cryptocurrencies), reserves the right to process the payment in installments. The structure and timing of these installments will be determined at our sole discretion, based on operational, security, and compliance considerations. We may also require additional verification procedures before processing such withdrawals. By requesting a large withdrawal, you acknowledge and accept these terms.
https://whale.io/terms-and-conditionsMy opposition is to show that there should be a deeper reconsideration of the situation around the flag. As such, I've asked the broader DTs to review and exercise their judgment in the matter by presenting the case on Loyce's support/opposition flag, just to be sure this case and flag is handled properly and justifiedly.
If the majority agreed that the flag is justified, I am happy to admit the wrong and withdraw my opposition.
Aren't all those who support the flag convincing enough for you? So you are asking all the DTs supporting the flag to justify their support? Just see how many DTs left a negative trust with a reference link to justify their ratings. I am genuinely surprised by your stance.
In general, you can make this claim to ask users to revise their ratings in the matter if new development updates arise in the case, but in this dispute there is no indication that the coinplay intends to pay the winnings after almost two years. Even so if they pay, evil has occurred. As mikey said; once a scumbag, it's always a scumbag.
I don't think you get what I am trying to say here. Because your point is the exact opposite of the discussion so far. It's not about the flag being supported convincing me or not in the first place, nor the tags [the tags... well, people can do whatever with that, afterall, trust list --and thus the eligibility of DT-- relies on the capability to leave feedback correctly]. It's the existence of the flag itself. Whether that flag even justified to be raised, let alone to be supported. So yes, it's not convincing me enough with the support, it's precedes the act of being convinced itself: it's the existence of the flag after everything supposedly settled.
To give you [and perhaps other DTs who come to this thread following my post] a better understanding, allow me pull a wall-of-quotes taken from several past cases, I'll deliberately remove the name of the casinos, so not to drag them to the mud,
We are pleased to say that this review took considerably less than 60 days. We are able to quickly determine that this member is part of a known syndicate who uses banned technology to take advantage of our generous odds, and creates many accounts to avoid limits. Any additional accounts involved will have the same result, so we highly recommend that the OP and his buddies stay far away. We have technology too, and will catch you every time.
12,000 being held, not even initial depo was returned. No tag, No flag. Next,
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In this case, we had a player who was already easily determined to have been in violation of our terms of service. Another lie he told is that he made 2 or 3 deposits, but we were able to catch this on his very first deposit. It doesn't take us long, and he is exceptionally bad at it. Had it been his first offense, he likely would have had his deposit back. But based on certain account characteristics, it was likely that he had done this before on other accounts. After multiple failures to complete or comply with our KYC requirements, we investigated deeper and determined that this user had been previously banned for sportsbook abuse on a different account. At that point, we no longer needed to communicate with him, since we had already told him last time he was banned that if he created any additional accounts, they would be subject to all funds being withheld.
Same, more or less. But let's take a look at the bolder one below:
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OP, you should have taken your deposit back when you had the chance. We have confirmed that $427 were spent in labor and resources in this investigation. After subtracting your $50 deposit you owe us a total of $377. Please remit this to your deposit address immediately or we will pursue any necessary action, within the bounds of the law, to retrieve it.
Stop creating accounts and stay far, far away.
You guys wonder why no casinos reply in here any more? It's because of people like this. OP, take your scammer ass somewhere else.
Let's move to next casino,
I have been a customer on ---- for 6 years.
I am diamond 3 on ---- with over 80 million wagered and MILLIONS in losses.
I had 500 usd on Oscar, literally embarrassing. Oscar fouls on purpose with no time left to lose the game on purpose and they are laughing. Funny part is, he actually rushed to foul him before the clock expired to make sure he would lose.
Host refused to refund me because he said the “sports team” said that no “cheating” occurred. Funny part is, this happened to another player on a fifa e sport match and host refunded in full. Absolute joke. It’s SO clear that this game was corrupted and stake does nothing. This was a clear and obvious refund especially for a loyal customer like myself.
Watch the video for yourself.
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Not even refunded, not even tagged.
But they are still obligated to return all the funds currently held in my account.
They are really obligated to return your funds(deposit amount) but don’t expect that profit will be included since you violated their ToS. They usually have a popup message whenever they update their ToS to remind user to read.
You already mention and acknowledge that this is all about regional issue based on your above post.
Can you confirm if they refund you the deposit?
Let's shift to one of the biggest three casinos in the forum... well, what used to be:
Now that you are completely clear about ---- closing your account and refusing to engage in communication with you, no matter what you post will make any difference to their decision. If you claim they stole $4105 from you, what will you do to try to get the money back? If they now suspect you have more than one account and will not engage with you, what steps will you take next? I suppose AskGamblers and CasinoGuru are the only options but they will probably not help you because ---- is one of the giants in their business, they have no reason to steal $4105 from you.
Hello
Thank you for completing the verification process.
Unfortunately, your account verification was unsuccessful due to the following reason:
We have acquired evidence that you are acting in breach of our terms and conditions.
Under rule [...]
Your account will remain closed and there will be no further correspondence regarding this matter.
If you attempt to open any new accounts, any deposits you send to ---- in the future will not be returned.
If you have any other questions, feel free to contact us again.
See the point I am trying to point out here? This casino has a bad reputation and tagged in the past for their lack of responsibility. Yes, I know that. Most likely than not, this casino is not salvagable, but still, the justification to raise a flag here, not to mention the act of it being supported by the DTs, where on this specific case, the OP got their initial deposit returned, while:
1. The act of returning depo as agreement to settle and the act of withdrawing from player is widely known by SA as act of settlement, thus no contract violation.
2. Those casinos above do less than this casino. They don't return depo, one even asked for a refund because they're in the minus and kinldy asked the player to depo the difference to their depo address.
So, if the act of returning depo and the act of withdraw the depo is perceived as acceptable to mark a situation as resolved, why do the player on this thread entitled to create a flag after he accepted the term of settlement by withdrawing, let alone being supported by other DTs?
Double standard? Yes, I am very well aware the casinos I mentioned above entitled to a huge benefits of doubt due to their reputation and the length of their stay here and this specific casino wasn't. It justifies the tag on this casino, at the very least, while the other casinos get away with it.
But a type-3 flag being supported, where the clause of the support said that the casino violate a written contract and didn't make the player whole, and that the player didn't forgive the act [I recite from mind, so wording is not precise], while he actually took the depo? Why do he then entitled to raise a flag? He take the casino's "gesture of good faith" [I'll remind all the reader who get to this point that those casinos above do less], one that we perceive as readiness to settle [feel free to correct me if I am wrong here, Cointxz]. And he feel the casino broke written contract and didn't make him whole?
We may argue that the player didn't know that touching the returned initial depo is perceived as readiness to settle here. I can understand and take that. After all, I wrote and stress it many many times to every player who have dispute with casinos where initial depo or certain amount was returned and/or can be withdrawn to NOT touch the offer, as it is perceived as readiness to settle.
So yeah, in a way, we may argue that the player did not know that unwritten rule.
But us, the DTs and frequent overseers of the case? We know that. We oversee other casinos got out from a case with less than what this casino do. We oversee other casinos close threads with initial depo being returned, so why do
some DTs condone the [if we spin it to other's shoes] act of violation of agreement from OP, be it written or casual, after he got what he agreed as settlement, by supporting the flag?
That is the point I am raising here: why some DTs supported the flag, despite the readiness to settle and the non-existence of violation of contract?
Did you create this website to post about your experience with this casino? Waaaw this is amazing bro. But just wondering how much it costed you to lunch such a well designed website after you have already complaining about losing 5000$.
You can get a domain for $12 for a year or less, and monthly hosting for $5, and there are ready templates depending on the script you want to use; you just configure it.
Launching a website will not cost you much, but promoting it will take money and effort to reach interested people.
He did the right thing posting here. Now we know that Thrill is a bad casino, but, like you, brother, I also like to see evidence and proof; he should provide it so we can support his case.
Let's wait and see if Venezuela can improve its economy and people's lives after the US takeover. But honestly, I doubt it.
History is a good teacher.
Back in early 2000's the US regime invaded Iraq saying "there is a dictatorship there and they need to go there and spread democracy". Spreading democracy meant slaughtering over a million Iraqis and when they were done, they created ISIS which took over their country and if it weren't for their neighbor Iran to defeat the US-ISIS Axis there would not be an Iraq today.
But the result of all that US intervention is still a destroyed country with extreme infrastructure loss and a destroyed economy and natural resources that are directly and indirectly being stolen by the US regime. For example they are forced to sell their oil with dollar and what they earn goes to a US bank and if the US regime is kind enough will give them a small percentage of their own money and takes the rest. If the regime is not feeling too kind, they will take it all and Iraqi government collapses due to lack of budget... which is what the US regime ha been using to put pressure on Iraq to force them to obey their commands for years...
Good luck Venezuela.
One situation has nothing to do with the other. You are not even comparing apples to oranges, you are comparing apples to ants. Perfectly invalid and simplified comparison of completely different events in entirely different environments and times. Iraq was a FAFO situation. Don't fuck around with the US, do not threaten that you have weapons, do not do terrorist attacks on the US. It is as simple as that.
To confirm what you said, the former president appeared today in a closed congressional panel to answer questions about his relationship with Epstein, after his wife Hillary faced the same kind of panel to explain her relation with Epstein. In the same time, the Democratic minority representative in the Congress demanded that president Trump appear at the same committee to explain his relation with child crimes made by Epstein.
The DOJ was accused to hide files containing proofs that involve Trump in sexual crimes. According to media news, the DOJ promised to revise thye files again and prepare a report file.
All of this is just to distract you from massive fraud that was recently discovered in places like Minnesota, and that you are even repeating this information shows that it is effective. Clinton went to the hearing and said well I didn't do anything, I didn't see anything, and they thanked him for it and let him go. If Trump answers the exact same way, they will come in public and say that he is being dishonest, how his story has holes, how it is impossible that he didn't see anything and so forth. Do not fall for this kind of low level propaganda and manipulations.
CEO Mt. Gox инициировал хардфорк, чтобы вернуть 80 000 ВТС
Бывший генеральный директор Mt. Gox Марк Карпелес
призывает сообщество поддержать предложение о возврате более чем 5,2 миллиардов долларов, украденных с его биткоин-биржи более десяти лет назад.
В пятницу Карпелес представил на GitHub предложение о добавлении правила консенсуса, которое позволило бы переместить 79 956 биткоинов, взломанных на Mt. Gox (в настоящее время находящихся в одном кошельке), на адрес восстановления без исходного закрытого ключа.
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34695 Карпелес заявил, что, поскольку доверительный управляющий Mt. Gox Нобуаки Кобаяси уже контролирует распределение средств среди кредиторов, если монеты удастся вернуть, существующая правовая и логистическая база позволит распределить их среди законных владельцев.
Однако Карпелес заявил, что это предложение не было направлено на обход процесса разработки Биткойна; вместо этого оно представляло собой попытку начать дискуссию с биткойн-сообществом.
Но например Люк Дашджр (разработчик Bitcoin Core) критикует предложенное изменение в коде биткоина для восстановления 79 956 украденных BTC Mt. Gox через хардфорк, настаивая на юридическом принуждении вора к передаче приватного ключа.
https://x.com/LukeDashjr/status/2027594666690912414Само предложение заключается в изменении около 50 строк кода, оно затрагивает один конкретный P2PKH-адрес и не влияет на другие правила консенсуса. Предложение Карпелеса вызвало резкое сопротивление на форуме Bitcointalk, где большинство утверждало, что оно создаст плохой прецедент для Биткоина - децентрализованной криптовалюты, которая должна быть необратимой и неизменной.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5575915.new#new«Каждый раз, когда происходит хакерская атака, кто-то призывает к принятию нового правила консенсуса для возврата украденных средств. Это полностью разрушит концепцию биткоина», — написал «coupable», участник форума с 2015 года.
Какие будут мнения по этому поводу...?
Let's not forget about China's electric vehicles. And doesn't China has its own independent AI chatbot called "DeepSeek"? Not to mention, ByteDance (TikTok's parent company) launched a revolutionary AI-based video generator (called SeaDance 2.0) which "mimics" movie actors in real life (google it and see for yourself). Another Chinese "breakthrough".
Regarding the most advanced artificial intelligence models, China still lags behind the USA. And despite the great tech advancement in China, it is still facing problems with both factors combined; Electronic chips and capital. While private ِchineese investors don't have access to big financement to compete with american companies, the problem with electronic chips won't reach an end as long Taiwan is still in disagreement with Beijing.
The way you have written is not convincing at all and you don't have to praise the US when they are lagging behind gradually. China has overtaken the United States in terms of technology and the US can not even stand a fight with China. The United States is living in the past when China is living in the future and we don't have to hate the advancement of the China technology because they have the basic raw materials to produce good chips and build technology the US architects may have not seen before.
I love the both countries and we don't have to come out writing in support of the US when it is true that China is good at what they do. Elon is busy trying to build humanoid robots when China have gotten their advanced robots in place due to their advancement in technology and good experts.
Regarding the most advanced artificial intelligence models, China still lags behind the USA. And despite the great tech advancement in China, it is still facing problems with both factors combined; Electronic chips and capital. While private ِchineese investors don't have access to big financement to compete with american companies, the problem with electronic chips won't reach an end as long Taiwan is still in disagreement with Beijing.
I guess that's why China is deeply interested in "conquering" (invading) Taiwan. So it can get the world's biggest manufacturer of microprocessors for its own convenience. Only then, China will be able to achieve true technological superiority.
Either way, I have read that China is developing its own chips with Huawei. Not as powerful as US counterparts, but better something than nothing. Unlike the US, China has one of the largest reserves of rare Earth metals. It can use that as "leverage" to get what it wants. We've seen how China used this "card" previously when Trump imposed additional tariffs in "Liberation Day". China has all the cards to win. It's even helping Russia rise from the ground up. The US made this monster, and now it must learn to live with it. We'll see what happens in the future.
Some others will suggest that dormant addresses belong to Satoshi can be added to the pool of recovered bitcoin. Then later, each time a hack incident will happe, someone will call for another new consensus rule to recover stolen funds. This will destroy the bitcoin concept in full. No way this will be accepted except for MYgox victims who are few people considering that time when the incident happen.
This case is quite unique for multiple reasons.
The bitcoins haven't moved, can be directly linked to the theft (those do not belong to Satoshi but to the mtgox hack itself). The coins have been tagged, and the hacker clearly knows moving these would trigger news worldwide instantly.
How are you sure that that address really belongs to hacker? It's a great probability but still not 100% sure about this. Maybe time will tell. The hacker can use mixers or even create his own mixer to bury all logs and run away with clean bitcoins. Nothing can stop him from doing so if the address really belong to him, or maybe he is waiting for an exact date. All scenarios are possible.
There aren't many events that affected so many Bitcoin users as MtGox (arguably most bitcoin users had an account on MTGox in 2014), where we both know which bitcoins are the stolen bitcoins and have a legal process that would allow distribution of said coins back to creditors.
There might be events in the future that will affect so many bitcoin usersmore than MTgox incident. Should we then suggest a new consensus rule to recover them as well?
If we have another really clear cut case then why not, but I doubt we'll see future case similarly impacting all of bitcoin users at the time.
We know this address belongs to the hacker thanks to the blockchain. Stolen coins have landed on this address. No intermediary.
Some others will suggest that dormant addresses belong to Satoshi can be added to the pool of recovered bitcoin. Then later, each time a hack incident will happe, someone will call for another new consensus rule to recover stolen funds. This will destroy the bitcoin concept in full. No way this will be accepted except for MYgox victims who are few people considering that time when the incident happen.
This case is quite unique for multiple reasons.
The bitcoins haven't moved, can be directly linked to the theft (those do not belong to Satoshi but to the mtgox hack itself). The coins have been tagged, and the hacker clearly knows moving these would trigger news worldwide instantly.
There aren't many events that affected so many Bitcoin users as MtGox (arguably most bitcoin users had an account on MTGox in 2014), where we both know which bitcoins are the stolen bitcoins and have a legal process that would allow distribution of said coins back to creditors.
Can you give some real examples?
- AI developed in China without using American technology?
- AI developed in China that surpasses AI from OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, and Google Gemini?
Let's not forget about China's electric vehicles. And doesn't China has its own independent AI chatbot called "DeepSeek"? Not to mention, ByteDance (TikTok's parent company) launched a revolutionary AI-based video generator (called SeaDance 2.0) which "mimics" movie actors in real life (google it and see for yourself). Another Chinese "breakthrough".
Regarding the most advanced artificial intelligence models, China still lags behind the USA. And despite the great tech advancement in China, it is still facing problems with both factors combined; Electronic chips and capital. While private ِchineese investors don't have access to big financement to compete with american companies, the problem with electronic chips won't reach an end as long Taiwan is still in disagreement with Beijing.
To be fair, China still lags behind the United States in most areas. But there is no denying that they are developing faster and more strongly than any other country. With such a growth rate, they will sooner or later catch up with the United States if the United States does not accelerate its own growth rate.
In my opinion, the United States needs more solutions than just using trade wars and restricting technology exports to contain this country.
I see you have posted
your complaint in the official toshi ANN.
Official representative seems to be active and responded to some comments there by inviting to send him private message about the issue. Try to send him a pm and just wait for his response for the next few days if he wouldn't reply here or in the ANN. However, it seems he has to handle many cases.
Yes, thank you! toshi.bet just withdrew my money. I deleted the message from that group.
Good for you. Congratulation bro!
However I don't know why you deleted that message from their ANN.
It was faster than expected. However he should owe an explanation about reasons of the delay for more transparency. This will help protect casino reputation as if he they want you to keep using the casino.
Now you can mark this thread as resolved. Add [Resolved] to the topic title. And it will be better if you lock this thread to reduce spam.
Just because the casino finally paid out doesn't mean this user or anyone should kiss their ass and this thread shouldn't be there for the record. 4 days for a wd doesn't make ya wonder the reason for the delay?
Are they insolvent waiting on deposits to come in? Was the user being investigated? Are they just lazy and don't care about customers til this thread appeared? Don't always dismiss a situation, might be a good or bad reason why this happened.
