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1. Post 65537444 (unedited backup) (by LoyceV) (scraped on Tue Jul 1 08:09:07 CEST 2025) in Incorrect Feedback?:

Quote from: Satofan44 on June 30, 2025, 04:20:53 PM
^So you now decided to retaliate with a negative? For pointing out I responded to you!

Others suggested not to give any suggestion unless I am 100% sure if it's technical query so I crossed out the post now.
Do most people behave like this around here, a question perhaps to some seniors like LoyceV and nutildah?
I'm not sure what you're asking. I see no negative feedback (anymore?), and until I was mentioned again (several times), I had given up on this thread. As I said in post #3:
Quote from: LoyceV on June 29, 2025, 03:37:47 PM
Neutral feedback isn't that important

Quote from: Shishir99 on June 30, 2025, 05:26:47 PM
If you do not trust someone,
Go to your profile, and then click on trust >> Trust settings >> Put a ~ and their username. In this case, it would be ~Bitcoin Smith and update it. If you trust someone, do the same process, but without a ~. That's how you do it.
This is NOT how you're supposed to use the Trust list:
Quote from: LoyceV on October 10, 2019, 03:37:17 PM
Don't confuse your Trust list with feedback
Trust feedback: leave feedback to people you trust or don't trust. Or leave neutral comments.
Trust list: a list of people who's judgement on others you trust (username) or don't trust (~username).

Quote from: Shishir99 on June 30, 2025, 05:26:47 PM
You should read the beginner's guide
You too Wink

Quote from: Satofan44 on June 30, 2025, 05:29:56 PM
Of course I would not trust the author of this thread with anything. This part of the thread indicates that negative trust is appropriate
I wouldn't trust 99.99% of the users here with money. But that doesn't mean I'll leave all of them negative feedback.
Maybe this helps:
Quote from: theymos on January 30, 2020, 09:13:15 PM
The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.

Quote from: joker_josue on June 30, 2025, 08:16:47 PM
So, honestly, I don't understand why I was "called" to this case.
That's kinda part of being on DT1, although in this case it's a waste of time over neutral feedback.

Quote from: Satofan44 on June 30, 2025, 11:08:01 PM
I am actually quite surprised that it is not the norm to tag spammers with a negative rating if you are part of DefaultTrust.
That's what The Pharmacist was doing years ago, and it's (probably) part of the reason theymos introduced the Merit system. Spam should be reported to Mods to be deletion. If negative feedback is abused, it loses it's meaning for the real scammers.



@Satofan44: a bit of unsolicited advice: don't get sucked into The Bitcointalk Drama. Something tells me you enjoy the technical side of the forum much more.



2. Post 65536513 (unedited backup) (by Mia Chloe) (scraped on Mon Jun 30 22:10:07 CEST 2025) in Are they phishings or BC game mirrors?:

Quote from: Shishir99 on Today at 01:43:02 PM
I think this should be the right board to create this thread. I did not posted this in BC game thread because it will be buried in spams and no-one would notice. BC game representative is not active either.
We have to be very careful about visiting sites that have reputations when it comes to both casinos and even exchanges same way exch was being phished by multiple sites some other casinos on the forum and not only BC.game are being phished. I only recommend visiting casinos and exchanges on this forum via this forum and from only in specific areas like their Ann threads or signature campaign threads. Scammers a known for masking themselves in the reputation of services like these to scam people.



3. Post 65536392 (unedited backup) (by memehunter) (scraped on Mon Jun 30 21:28:08 CEST 2025) in Are they phishings or BC game mirrors?:

Quote from: Shishir99 on Today at 02:18:18 PM
But the problem is, those phishing site is listed by another website which is an official mirror of the BC game. So I am completely puzzled. If you carefully read the OP again, you will understand what I am talking about. https://betting.bc.game/ is their official site. But this site lists some domains that are not official mirrors. Why would a official site will list some phishing?

I will never trust any website that is not verified. It might be a case of simple data base update, but still, it is far better to just talk to customer care via email regarding this so that you can have proof, in case anything goes wrong. Thanks for this useful thread. 



4. Post 65536138 (unedited backup) (by Jawhead999) (scraped on Mon Jun 30 19:38:19 CEST 2025) in Incorrect Feedback?:

Quote from: Satofan44 on Today at 05:21:44 PM
Is this a centralized or decentralized system? I am not allowed to give a negative tag to people who I don't trust? Who do I tag instead because of this spammer, the manager that enables this user to defraud the company that is funding the signature campaign?
Less decentralized, of course anyone is allowed to give a negative tag, just like what you do. But, if people think you're leaving an incorrect tag, other users are allowed to distrust you too. So, be wise with your action.

Quote from: Shishir99 on Today at 05:26:47 PM
If you do not trust someone,
Go to your profile, and then click on trust >> Trust settings >> Put a ~ and their username. In this case, it would be ~Bitcoin Smith and update it. If you trust some, do the same process, but without a ~. That's how you do it.
It's a different context.

Putting someone on distrust is either the user include/exclude an user you don't agree or the user leave inappropriate tag.

Neutral feedback is enough, if he really don't trust the user, he can consider to ignore the account.

Quote from: Satofan44 on Today at 05:29:56 PM
Of course I would not trust the author of this thread with anything. This part of the thread indicates that negative trust is appropriate, other parts of that thread and statements by other members here indicate the contrary. So which one is it? Is a person able to decide what constitutes trustworthiness themselves or do they have to obey a preset list of trustworthiness rules that are imposed by others? If I am not allowed to tag him, explain why and help also with the following question if possible.
To make it simple, trustworthiness in this case are mostly talking about money. When someone spread incorrect information, it has no relation with money, hence it doesn't deserve to get red tag.



5. Post 65536099 (unedited backup) (by Satofan44) (scraped on Mon Jun 30 19:30:01 CEST 2025) in Incorrect Feedback?:

Quote from: Shishir99 on Today at 05:26:47 PM
Is this a centralized or decentralized system? I am not allowed to give a negative tag to people who I don't trust? Who do I tag instead because of this spammer, the manager that enables this user to defraud the company that is funding the signature campaign?
If you do not trust someone,
Go to your profile, and then click on trust >> Trust settings >> Put a ~ and their username. In this case, it would be ~Bitcoin Smith and update it. If you trust some, do the same process, but without a ~. That's how you do it.

You should read the beginner's guide, which was mentioned by Bitcoin Smith earlier.

That thread does not help, these statements are contradictory.

Quote from: LoyceV on October 10, 2019, 03:37:17 PM
Trust feedback
Trust feedback (Positive/Neutral/Negative) can be used to express your opinion about someone's trustworthiness. In other words: would you trust or have you trusted this user with your money?
Of course I would not trust the author of this thread with anything. This part of the thread indicates that negative trust is appropriate, other parts of that thread and statements by other members here indicate the contrary. So which one is it? Are you able to decide what constitutes trustworthiness yourself or do you obey a preset list of rules that are imposed by others?



6. Post 65535553 (unedited backup) (by Oshosondy) (scraped on Mon Jun 30 16:44:13 CEST 2025) in Are they phishings or BC game mirrors?:

Quote from: Shishir99 on Today at 02:18:18 PM
Yes. But the problem is, those phishing site is listed by another website which is an official mirror of the BC game. So I am completely puzzled. If you carefully read the OP again, you will understand what I am talking about. https://betting.bc.game/ is their official site. But this site lists some domains that are not official mirrors. Why would a official site will list some phishing
You mean where they write 'Check Out Our Other Projects' and 3 sites were listed?

I think you should discuss their with bc.game customer care first before acting.



7. Post 65535210 (unedited backup) (by Rating Place) (scraped on Mon Jun 30 14:45:07 CEST 2025) in [ANN] XYes.com – Trusted Crypto Casino & Sportsbook | Instant Payouts |:

Quote from: Shishir99 on Today at 12:41:45 PM
Well, in a normal circumstance, Haaland can easily get 2 goals against a team like Al Hilal but I have followed the Club world cup carefully and observed that things are actually playing out differently. Underdog teams seem to be amazing us.

Yep. Al Hilal already played an awesome game against Real Madrid. They deserved that point. Even though a team like Manchester City should be able to win against AL Hilal easily, I cannot really say they would be able to win too easily. Al Hilal played well against Real Madrid, and they could do the same against Man City as well, right? The underdogs can sometimes surprise you.

As for Haaland, I don't think it would be too easy for him to score two goals in a single match against Al Hilal. It's not like he didn't score a hat-trick, he did actually. But the chances are very low, and I won't risk my money on this bet.

You didn’t right thing. Both players were paid.
Didn't right thing?  Huh
My mistake. They did the right thing and both players were paid.



8. Post 65535122 (unedited backup) (by 20Bet) (scraped on Mon Jun 30 14:11:43 CEST 2025) in 20Bet Casino & Sportsbook | Crypto & Fiat Accepted—Get $2 with Code: 2FREEBET:

Quote from: Shishir99 on June 27, 2025, 01:05:25 PM
I don't remember if I have used your website before. But I realised that the website is available in my native language, which is kinda impressive. Also, the quality of the translation is quite good. I am saying this because I have seen a lot of casinos actually use an automatic translator to translate the entire website, which is full of trash, and most of the time, the players cannot understand the language.
I see you had a signature campaign before, but it seems the budget was a little low compared to how much the casinos spend. I recommend that you launch some different kinds of campaigns, such as slot multiplier contests, free bets contests, raffles, and this type of promotion. Good luck!
Hi! Thank you for your kind words. We're happy you like the website and the translation.
We're actually planning more fun events like contests and new promos to make the gaming experience better.
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There are still some open spots here:
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Your feedback really helps us. Thanks again!



9. Post 65532804 (unedited backup) (by Pumared) (scraped on Sun Jun 29 20:29:19 CEST 2025) in ⚡ BetBolt.com ⚡ | Crypto’s Most Rewarding Casino | VPN & VIP Friendly:

Quote from: Shishir99 on Today at 05:27:18 AM
Slot games are pure excitement, in sports betting it is not always something so exciting on its own. And the winnings are more expressive in slot games than in sports betting, where it is something more fixed while slots offer much more opportunity and fun.

Slots are exciting because there is a chance to hit a max win. Your stake could be 0.2 USD, and you could win $5K or $10K from a single spin. But unfortunately, that does not happen every day. I barely see gamblers hit such wins. The chance is too low. Probably one in a million hit such wins. I prefer in-house games always. But I sometimes try slots and sports betting as well.

I find excitement in in-house games as I can somewhat control them. But there is a risk of pacing max bet. I placed max bets a lot of times while I was out of control. Especially when there are long losing streaks. I place max bet to recover the loss and then I lose everything.

But it is precisely because of this great chance. I understand that it is difficult, but if you are well organized financially and are only playing for fun, placing this bet with slot games is something very advantageous. It is a good emotion to experience and when you win it is so satisfying.



10. Post 65531666 (unedited backup) (by arwin100) (scraped on Sun Jun 29 12:46:55 CEST 2025) in Binance's will function after death... Perfect for bitcoin:

Quote from: Shishir99 on Today at 06:34:49 AM
Well, I think my wife would be able to access most of my Exchange account because she knows my mobile device password. In most exchange apps, she needs to know my mobile PIN code to log in and even make withdrawals. Fortunately, I do not hold much on the exchange. I am holding some Bitcoin on a cold wallet, and the seed phrases are in my wife's hands.

So, I don't need such a feature from exchanges. I don't store my crypto there. I believe no one should hold a lot of money on exchanges. We have seen several cases where Exchanges ask for proof of source of funds, which sometimes we cannot provide. If we cannot do it, our family members won't be able to do that as well.

Exactly because people should not make those exchange as their wallet since even if they would function after death we don't know if they are still safe especially if they experience more bigger breach which especially if they lost billions from potential hackings.

Much better if we safekeep our funds to our own wallets and just let our love ones knows that we have funds left there since for sure that everything is safe and we can make sure that they can take the money out especially if there's something bad happen to us.



11. Post 65531449 (unedited backup) (by CryptoYar) (scraped on Sun Jun 29 11:16:44 CEST 2025) in When your kid talk about Bitcoin don't assume it's all good:

Quote from: Shishir99 on Today at 06:06:56 AM
Look, Bitcoin has nothing to do with the case. It could be other crypto. You are presenting the case as here as if Bitcoin is bad. Bitcoin isn't bad. Since he is 18 years old already, I would call him a young guy. It is he and his friends who are bad in this case. They decided to scam people, and they used Bitcoin to do the transaction. The scammer won't stop if there is no Bitcoin.

They could use other crypto, such as Monero, TRX, or even any cryptocurrency. As a parent, it is important to know what your kids do. If you know your kids are doing something bad, you should act accordingly.
You are right Bitcoin is not bad on its own it is just tool like hammer that can be used for good or bad things. If Bitcoin was not around scammers would simply use other digital currencies or old fashioned methods. Real issue is people who choose to scam others not technology they use.

It is important for these individuals to be held responsible for their actions. Also parents play crucial role in knowing what their kids are doing online and teaching them about right and wrong to prevent such problems. We should focus on crime and criminals not blame technology.



12. Post 65531280 (unedited backup) (by fuguebtc) (scraped on Sun Jun 29 09:46:55 CEST 2025) in When your kid talk about Bitcoin don't assume it's all good:

Quote from: Shishir99 on Today at 06:06:56 AM
Look, Bitcoin has nothing to do with the case. It could be other crypto. You are presenting the case as here as if Bitcoin is bad. Bitcoin isn't bad. Since he is 18 years old already, I would call him a young guy. It is he and his friends who are bad in this case. They decided to scam people, and they used Bitcoin to do the transaction. The scammer won't stop if there is no Bitcoin.

They could use other crypto, such as Monero, TRX, or even any cryptocurrency. As a parent, it is important to know what your kids do. If you know your kids are doing something bad, you should act accordingly.

I also see this as having nothing to do with bitcoin or crypto, but with education. He became a criminal and the people responsible for this are his parents for not educating and taking care of their children properly. Or even he is 18 years old, he is aware enough and must take responsibility for what he causes.

Fraud, being a bad person is the result of lack of education, ignorance and the criminals themselves should be punished, nothing to do with the tools they use. Bitcoin, fiat money, phones or the internet are just tools created to serve us, and whether we use them for good or evil is up to us.



13. Post 65531105 (unedited backup) (by LoyceV) (scraped on Sun Jun 29 07:45:49 CEST 2025) in What is wrong with these Exchanges? Who copied whom? :

Quote from: Shishir99 on Today at 04:49:21 AM
I don't even know where the Seychelles are, and if this is too popular to get a license for an exchange.
I wouldn't call it a license, it's just a company registration (if that part is actually true). Google tells me a "company" can be registered online in a day, and it's basically a tax haven. I assume they're registered there because they don't ask questions. Kinda like the Cayman Islands where another big well known global exchange is registerered hiding.



14. Post 65530007 (unedited backup) (by Zwei) (scraped on Sat Jun 28 20:50:49 CEST 2025) in What is wrong with these Exchanges? Who copied whom? :

Quote from: Shishir99 on Today at 02:25:12 PM
I have been browsing the service announcement board and the exchange board. I noticed a couple of exchanges that use the same template with minor changes. Also, a couple of them use a similar title, and their posting pattern is the same as well.

If you check those exchange websites, you will notice they just changed the background color and the theme color. Almost everything else is the same. Who copied whom, actually? Are they legit?
none of them are actually real exchanges, all of them are just a simple wordpress website and they seems to be an affiliate using an exchange widget connected to an exchange called coinall, which i have never even heard of before.
at least that's where some of the widget assets are hosted.

Quote from: LoyceV on Today at 05:14:21 PM
Let's see:
Code:
whois bitsz.io
Creation Date: 2024-05-20T17:12:43Z
Registrar: NameSilo, LLC
Registrant State/Province: AZ

whois coinxes.io
Creation Date: 2024-06-10T17:57:20Z
Registrar: NameSilo, LLC
Registrant State/Province: AZ

whois ybex.io
Creation Date: 2023-06-02T17:00:00Z
Registrar: NameSilo, LLC
Registrant State/Province: AZ

whois marketexchange.io
Creation Date: 2024-08-26T09:06:27Z
Registrar: NameSilo, LLC
Registrant State/Province: AZ

whois godbex.io
Registrar: NameSilo, LLC
Creation Date: 2024-11-07T15:57:16Z
Registrant State/Province: AZ
this alone is enough evidence to know they are all controlled by the same person/entity. like what are the odds all the domains are .io and are all registered with the same registrar?



15. Post 65529326 (unedited backup) (by Cantsay) (scraped on Sat Jun 28 16:54:25 CEST 2025) in What is wrong with these Exchanges? Who copied whom? :

Quote from: Shishir99 on Today at 02:25:12 PM

If you check those exchange websites, you will notice they just changed the background color and the theme color. Almost everything else is the same. Who copied whom, actually? Are they legit?


I think I have seen this before, it wasn’t exactly this type of format but the sites involved were basically identical to each other - what they did was purchase a cheap web template and made a few edits. And for an exchange that couldn’t even invest in their own website designer I don’t think it’s worth using.

This thread[1][/b] could be related this your topic - you can go through it and see that my explanation is quite similar to what is happening here.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5512938.0



16. Post 65529240 (unedited backup) (by Z_MBFM) (scraped on Sat Jun 28 16:22:25 CEST 2025) in Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]:

Quote from: Shishir99 on Today at 01:31:45 PM
Bangladesh is still 96 runs short of Sri Lanka. So this match is not possible for Bangladesh because Sri Lanka has one more innings to play. The way Bangladesh is losing wickets, I don't think Sri Lanka will need to play a second innings. Sri Lanka will win this match without playing a second innings.

What a shame.
We dreamed a lot for the team. We supported them regardless of the result of the games. But they continue to disappoint us for a decade. It seems most cricket lovers do not even know if Bangladesh is playing. There was a time when everyone checked the score and watched the match on TV. But today, most people don't even know that Bangladesh is playing against Sri Lanka.

It's a shame that they played so badly in both innings and got defeated by an innings and 70+ runs. Do I expect them to play better in the future? Probably yes. But I won't be too confident by seeing a result of single match. I admit that they played well in the first match. But they shit in their pants in the 2nd game.
Bangladesh can be seen playing well again because many things are changing in the Bangladesh Cricket Board. Until the dictatorship in Bangladesh, good cricketers started to show their interest in politics. Shakib Al Hasan was a very good player in Bangladesh who had a good reputation all over the world. Many people know him from Bangladesh, but what he did was he left his focus on the game and turned to politics. And after the fall of the dictatorship in Bangladesh, Shakib Al Hasan became the laughing stock of everyone. As a Bengali, I am ashamed to say that Bangladesh's culture is very disgusting, there is no discipline and that is why Bangladesh is lagging behind in every aspect. Although it had a good reputation in cricket at one time, it has lost all its reputation later.



17. Post 65526877 (unedited backup) (by MusaPk) (scraped on Fri Jun 27 20:39:14 CEST 2025) in Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]:

Quote from: Shishir99 on Today at 12:00:10 PM
This is what I was talking about yesterday. Bangladesh cricket team is back in its original shape. They played unacceptable cricket in the first test, which does not match their standards. They came back to reality and showed us who they are! I expect the captain to come and say we "Learned" a lot of things from this series, which will help us in the coming days. They are on an educational tour, and I hope they learned something new.

Congratulations to Sri Lanka. They are winning the match with six more sessions in hand. I think they are going to win by an innings margin. I am curious if anyone placed a bet on Bangladesh.

It looks difficult for Bangladesh to avoid an innings defeat because they are left with only 4 batsmen with 96 runs to avoid an innings defeat. Mushfiqur Rahim is top scorer for Bangladesh in second innings with 26 runs. Bangladesh first innings total was 247 runs and they should have scored at least 247 in second innings but no batsmen was able to stay on pitch. Bangladesh team is playing international cricket for so many years but still they weren't able to produce players that can play with consistency.      



18. Post 65526741 (unedited backup) (by Z_MBFM) (scraped on Fri Jun 27 19:53:19 CEST 2025) in Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]:

Quote from: Webetcoins on Today at 05:35:40 PM
This is what I was talking about yesterday. Bangladesh cricket team is back in its original shape. They played unacceptable cricket in the first test, which does not match their standards. They came back to reality and showed us who they are! I expect the captain to come and say we "Learned" a lot of things from this series, which will help us in the coming days. They are on an educational tour, and I hope they learned something new.

Congratulations to Sri Lanka. They are winning the match with six more sessions in hand. I think they are going to win by an innings margin. I am curious if anyone placed a bet on Bangladesh.
Test format is always challenging for small teams in last few years; quality is dropping badly which is big concern for most countries but sadly nothing is happening for improvement which is creating more problems.

Bangladesh is now back on their lowest level without any problem, but recently Sri Lanka is also having too much drop into their quality especially their bowling is having not good depth against big teams. India is only country in Asia with good consistency all others losing their momentum.
Bangladesh's performance is very bad. For a while now, Bangladesh had gained a lot of fame in the cricket world, but now their performance has dropped so much that they are seen losing most of the matches. Sri Lanka was a much better team than Bangladesh, but now Sri Lanka is playing much better than Bangladesh. While Sri Lanka scored 458 runs in the first innings, Bangladesh has not been able to score this run in 2 innings. Even after playing 2 innings, Bangladesh is still 96 runs short of Sri Lanka. So this match is not possible for Bangladesh because Sri Lanka has one more innings to play. The way Bangladesh is losing wickets, I don't think Sri Lanka will need to play a second innings. Sri Lanka will win this match without playing a second innings.



19. Post 65526681 (unedited backup) (by Webetcoins) (scraped on Fri Jun 27 19:35:43 CEST 2025) in Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]:

Quote from: Shishir99 on Today at 12:00:10 PM
This is what I was talking about yesterday. Bangladesh cricket team is back in its original shape. They played unacceptable cricket in the first test, which does not match their standards. They came back to reality and showed us who they are! I expect the captain to come and say we "Learned" a lot of things from this series, which will help us in the coming days. They are on an educational tour, and I hope they learned something new.

Congratulations to Sri Lanka. They are winning the match with six more sessions in hand. I think they are going to win by an innings margin. I am curious if anyone placed a bet on Bangladesh.
Test format is always challenging for small teams in last few years; quality is dropping badly which is big concern for most countries but sadly nothing is happening for improvement which is creating more problems.

Bangladesh is now back on their lowest level without any problem, but recently Sri Lanka is also having too much drop into their quality especially their bowling is having not good depth against big teams. India is only country in Asia with good consistency all others losing their momentum.



20. Post 65526447 (unedited backup) (by Z_MBFM) (scraped on Fri Jun 27 18:16:13 CEST 2025) in বাংলাদেশ (Bangladesh):

Quote from: Crypto Library on Today at 10:15:21 AM
পুরাটাই ভুয়া খবর। এরা আসলে সাংবাদিক না, এরা সাংঘাতিক। হয়তো এরা গুগল ওয়ালেট আর গুগল পে-এর তফাৎ বুঝে না, অথবা ইচ্ছে করেই কিছু ভিউস কামানোর জন্য এই ধরনের নিউজ করে। বলদ সাংবাদিকের জানা উচিৎ যে গুগল ওয়ালেট বাংলাদেশে চালু হয়েছে। গুগল পে এখনো বাংলাদেশে চালু হয়নি যেটা জি-পে নামেই মূলত পরিচিত। প্লে স্টোরে গুগল পে সার্চ করে কোনো এপস পাবে না বাংলাদেশীরা। যদিও পায়, দেখাবে এটা বাংলাদেশের জন্য এভেইলেবল নয়।

এখন আমার প্রশ্ন হলো আপনি নিজেও কি জানেন না যে গুগল পে আর গুগল ওয়ালেট এক না? আর নিউজ পোষ্ট করার আগে নিজে ইন্সটল করার চেষ্টা করে দেখতেন যে আসলেই বাংলাদেশে গুগল পে চলে আসলো কি না। মাঝে মাঝে নিজেও ভেরিফাই করা উচিৎ। নইলে নিজেকে নিজে বোকা প্রমান করবেন।
আপনি কিছুটা ভুল বুঝতেছেন ভাই যেটা Google pay নামে সরাসরি অ্যাপস আছে সেটা মূলত তিনটা দেশের জন্য USA, Singapore আর India. এই অ্যাপসের আওতায় যারা আছে তারা তাদের একাউন্ট থেকে ইন্টারন্যাশনাল পেমেন্ট করতে পারবে মানে তাদের আলাদাভাবে পাসপোর্ট দিয়ে কার্ড এন্ডোরসমেন্ট করতে হয় না তারা সরাসরি ইন্টারন্যাশনাল যেকোনো পেমেন্ট করতে পারে। কিন্তু বাংলাদেশসহ অন্যান্য বাকি দেশগুলো Google Wallet নামের অ্যাপটা ব্যবহার করে। Google Wallet এ যে ব্যাংক কার্ড গুলো এড করবেন এখানে আপনি শুধুমাত্র পাবেন এটাই যে আপনার কোন কার্ড ক্যারি করতে হবে না। গুগল ওয়ালেট এ কার্ড অ্যাড করা থাকলে NFC টেকনোলজিতে আপনার মোবাইল ফোন পস মেশিনের সাথে টাচ করে পেমেন্ট করে দিতে পারবেন যেকোনো শপিংমলে বা যেখানে পঁচ মেশিনে পেমেন্ট নেয়। আর বাংলাদেশে বর্তমানে শুধুমাত্র সিটি ব্যাংক এই সার্ভিসের আওতায় আছে।

এটা হল আসল Google Pay অ্যাপস। আর এটা শুধুমাত্র ব্যবহার করতে পারে এই তিন দেশ আর নিজে স্পষ্টভাবেই বলা আছে যারা অন্য দেশ থেকে গুগল পে সার্ভিস ব্যবহার করবে তারা যেন গুগল ওয়ালেট ডাউনলোড করে।
আমি এটা আসলে জানতামই না যদি কিছুদিন আগে ইউটিউব প্রেমিয়াম এর সাবস্ক্রিপশন কিনতে না যেতাম একটু প্রিমিয়াম সাবস্টেশন কিনতে গিয়ে আমি Redotpay ইউজ করেছি এবং সেই সাথে প্রথমে G-pay ডাউনলোড দিয়েছিলাম যেমনটি আপনি বলেছেন ঠিক তেমনি ফেস করে Google wallet ডাউনলোড করি।
এবং তারপর সেখানে এড করে সহজেই এটি প্রিমিয়াম কিনতে সক্ষম হয়েছি।
কিন্তু গতকালকে আমি U-ber এ পেমেন্ট করতে গিয়ে আন্সাক্সেসফুল হয়েছি। এটা হতে পারে শুধুমাত্র Redotpay এর কারণেই কারণ google-wallet তাদের যাত্রা সিটি ব্যাংকের মাধ্যমে শুরু করেছে।
আর পঁচ মেশিনের কথাটা যেটি বললেন আমার ফোন NFC সাপোর্টেড  আমি চ্যাট জিপিটিকে জিজ্ঞাসা দেখলাম Redotpay দিয়ে NFC পেমেন্ট করা যাবে কিন্তু বাংলাদেশে কি Redotpay দিয়ে সেটা সম্ভব হবে? নাকি শুধুমাত্র সিটি ব্যাংকের দ্বারাই?
NFC টেকনোলজি প্রত্যেকটা ব্যাংকের ফিজিক্যাল কার্ড এর মধ্যে থাকে। আর যদি আপনার মোবাইল ফোনে NFC টেকনোলজি থাকে তাহলে আপনি এটি ব্যবহার করতে পারবেন সমস্যা হবে না। Redotpay ব্যবহার করা আমি ছেড়ে দিছি। আপনার কার্ডে যদি ব্যালেন্স না থাকে কিন্তু যদি কোন প্লাটফর্মে অটো সাবস্ক্রাইব অন থাকে এবং সেখান থেকে যদি আপনার কার্ড থেকে টাকা কাটার চেষ্টা করে তাইলে প্রত্যেকটা ফেইল ট্রানজেকশনের জন্য ১ ডলার কাটে। আমার কার্ডের ব্যালেন্স হয়ে আছে এখন -২৬$ আমি যখন অ্যাপস আনইন্সটল করে দিছি তখন ব্যালেন্স ছিল -৭$। আর আমি গত দুইদিন আগে অ্যাপস ডাউনলোড করে আবার লগইন করছিলাম Gemini এর VO3 এর স্টুডেন্ট ফ্রি ট্রায়াল নেয়ার জন্যে। Gimini VO3 ১৫ মাসের জন্য প্রিমিয়াম ফ্রি ট্রায়াল দিতাছে স্টুডেন্টদের জন্য। আমি ভাবছিলাম কার্ডটা এড করে ফ্রি ট্রায়াল নিব তারপরে কাজ শেষ। কিন্তু কার্ড বারবার ডিক্লাইন করে দিতেছে আবার প্রত্যেকটা ফেল ট্রানজেকশনের জন্য -১$ করে বাড়তেছে। এই হচ্ছে এখন Redotpay এর অবস্থা। আমি এটা ব্যবহার করা বাদ দিয়ে দিছি। ব্যাংকের কার্ড পাসপোর্ট দিয়ে অ্যান্ড্রোজমেন্ট করে সেটা ব্যবহার করি।



21. Post 65525715 (unedited backup) (by Popkon6) (scraped on Fri Jun 27 14:17:13 CEST 2025) in Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]:

Quote from: Shishir99 on Today at 12:00:10 PM

Congratulations to Sri Lanka. They are winning the match with six more sessions in hand. I think they are going to win by an innings margin. I am curious if anyone placed a bet on Bangladesh.

Bangladesh team performed well in the first match, this was an unknown performance for Bangladesh team, suddenly Bangladesh team performed well, everyone was scared like a new moon. Bangladesh team does not have a reliable batsman, they perform the same in T20 matches as they do in Test matches and they give such performances to Bangladesh team fans in ODI matches.
Bangladesh team, which has been involved in three sessions with the same squad, has created a new talent, Bangladesh team performed badly in the first innings in this match and in the second innings they have not yet been able to meet the target of one innings of Sri Lanka team, on the way to being all out. Bangladesh team should not participate in Test matches with such weak batsmen, it is only losing money of gamblers who have bet on Bangladesh team.



22. Post 65525374 (unedited backup) (by Crypto Library) (scraped on Fri Jun 27 12:15:25 CEST 2025) in বাংলাদেশ (Bangladesh):

Quote from: Z_MBFM on June 26, 2025, 07:21:20 PM
পুরাটাই ভুয়া খবর। এরা আসলে সাংবাদিক না, এরা সাংঘাতিক। হয়তো এরা গুগল ওয়ালেট আর গুগল পে-এর তফাৎ বুঝে না, অথবা ইচ্ছে করেই কিছু ভিউস কামানোর জন্য এই ধরনের নিউজ করে। বলদ সাংবাদিকের জানা উচিৎ যে গুগল ওয়ালেট বাংলাদেশে চালু হয়েছে। গুগল পে এখনো বাংলাদেশে চালু হয়নি যেটা জি-পে নামেই মূলত পরিচিত। প্লে স্টোরে গুগল পে সার্চ করে কোনো এপস পাবে না বাংলাদেশীরা। যদিও পায়, দেখাবে এটা বাংলাদেশের জন্য এভেইলেবল নয়।

এখন আমার প্রশ্ন হলো আপনি নিজেও কি জানেন না যে গুগল পে আর গুগল ওয়ালেট এক না? আর নিউজ পোষ্ট করার আগে নিজে ইন্সটল করার চেষ্টা করে দেখতেন যে আসলেই বাংলাদেশে গুগল পে চলে আসলো কি না। মাঝে মাঝে নিজেও ভেরিফাই করা উচিৎ। নইলে নিজেকে নিজে বোকা প্রমান করবেন।
আপনি কিছুটা ভুল বুঝতেছেন ভাই যেটা Google pay নামে সরাসরি অ্যাপস আছে সেটা মূলত তিনটা দেশের জন্য USA, Singapore আর India. এই অ্যাপসের আওতায় যারা আছে তারা তাদের একাউন্ট থেকে ইন্টারন্যাশনাল পেমেন্ট করতে পারবে মানে তাদের আলাদাভাবে পাসপোর্ট দিয়ে কার্ড এন্ডোরসমেন্ট করতে হয় না তারা সরাসরি ইন্টারন্যাশনাল যেকোনো পেমেন্ট করতে পারে। কিন্তু বাংলাদেশসহ অন্যান্য বাকি দেশগুলো Google Wallet নামের অ্যাপটা ব্যবহার করে। Google Wallet এ যে ব্যাংক কার্ড গুলো এড করবেন এখানে আপনি শুধুমাত্র পাবেন এটাই যে আপনার কোন কার্ড ক্যারি করতে হবে না। গুগল ওয়ালেট এ কার্ড অ্যাড করা থাকলে NFC টেকনোলজিতে আপনার মোবাইল ফোন পস মেশিনের সাথে টাচ করে পেমেন্ট করে দিতে পারবেন যেকোনো শপিংমলে বা যেখানে পঁচ মেশিনে পেমেন্ট নেয়। আর বাংলাদেশে বর্তমানে শুধুমাত্র সিটি ব্যাংক এই সার্ভিসের আওতায় আছে।

এটা হল আসল Google Pay অ্যাপস। আর এটা শুধুমাত্র ব্যবহার করতে পারে এই তিন দেশ আর নিজে স্পষ্টভাবেই বলা আছে যারা অন্য দেশ থেকে গুগল পে সার্ভিস ব্যবহার করবে তারা যেন গুগল ওয়ালেট ডাউনলোড করে।
আমি এটা আসলে জানতামই না যদি কিছুদিন আগে ইউটিউব প্রেমিয়াম এর সাবস্ক্রিপশন কিনতে না যেতাম একটু প্রিমিয়াম সাবস্টেশন কিনতে গিয়ে আমি Redotpay ইউজ করেছি এবং সেই সাথে প্রথমে G-pay ডাউনলোড দিয়েছিলাম যেমনটি আপনি বলেছেন ঠিক তেমনি ফেস করে Google wallet ডাউনলোড করি।
এবং তারপর সেখানে এড করে সহজেই এটি প্রিমিয়াম কিনতে সক্ষম হয়েছি।
কিন্তু গতকালকে আমি U-ber এ পেমেন্ট করতে গিয়ে আন্সাক্সেসফুল হয়েছি। এটা হতে পারে শুধুমাত্র Redotpay এর কারণেই কারণ google-wallet তাদের যাত্রা সিটি ব্যাংকের মাধ্যমে শুরু করেছে।
আর পঁচ মেশিনের কথাটা যেটি বললেন আমার ফোন NFC সাপোর্টেড  আমি চ্যাট জিপিটিকে জিজ্ঞাসা দেখলাম Redotpay দিয়ে NFC পেমেন্ট করা যাবে কিন্তু বাংলাদেশে কি Redotpay দিয়ে সেটা সম্ভব হবে? নাকি শুধুমাত্র সিটি ব্যাংকের দ্বারাই?

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ট্রান্সলেশনে আমি অনেক বেশি সময় দিয়েছি এবং সেখান থেকে অনেক মেরিট পেয়েছি। লোকাল থ্রেড এ আমি অনেক সময় দিয়েছি। প্রায় প্রতি মাসেই টপ পোস্টার এ ১ নাম্বার থেকেছি লম্বা সময় ধরে। কিন্তু আমাদের লোকাল থ্রেড এর চোখে পড়ার মতো কোনো উন্নতি হচ্ছে না। এখন অন্যান্য কাজে একটু ব্যাস্ত হয়ে আছি। তবে লোকাল থ্রেড এ সব সময় চোখ থাকেই আমার।

ধন্যবাদ যারা অভিনন্দন জানিয়েছেন। আর সবাইকে ধন্যবাদ একটা রেংক আপ কে কেন্দ্র করে পুরো থ্রেড এ বন্যা বসিয়ে দেয়ার ট্রেন্ড ত্যাগ করার জন্য। এসব দেখে দেখে একদম বিরক্ত হয়ে গিয়েছিলাম।
লেট অভিনন্দন ভাই,  বাসা থেকে ঢাকা এর মধ্যে দৌড়াদৌড়ি তে আছি তাই বাংলা বোর্ড আসা হয়নি আর আপনার একাউন্ট যে লেজেন্ডারি হয়ে গিয়েছে এটাও দেখা হয়নি.
যাইহোক সকল এচিভমেন্ট তো আগেই নিয়ে ফেলছেন সেগুলার তো কোন ট্রিট পাই নাই এটার ট্রিট আশা করি পেয়ে যাব টেলিগ্রামে আইসা ট্রিটটা দিয়া যাইয়েন।



23. Post 65524520 (unedited backup) (by Shamm) (scraped on Fri Jun 27 03:36:13 CEST 2025) in Start a new beginning after a long sleep in the forum.:

Quote from: Shishir99 on June 26, 2025, 05:16:58 PM
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It's okay, mate. No worries. We're all good here. No hurt feelings. See you around!.



24. Post 65524374 (unedited backup) (by LDL) (scraped on Fri Jun 27 01:43:43 CEST 2025) in বাংলাদেশ (Bangladesh):

Quote from: Shishir99 on Today at 05:49:54 PM

পুরাটাই ভুয়া খবর। এরা আসলে সাংবাদিক না, এরা সাংঘাতিক। হয়তো এরা গুগল ওয়ালেট আর গুগল পে-এর তফাৎ বুঝে না, অথবা ইচ্ছে করেই কিছু ভিউস কামানোর জন্য এই ধরনের নিউজ করে। বলদ সাংবাদিকের জানা উচিৎ যে গুগল ওয়ালেট বাংলাদেশে চালু হয়েছে। গুগল পে এখনো বাংলাদেশে চালু হয়নি যেটা জি-পে নামেই মূলত পরিচিত। প্লে স্টোরে গুগল পে সার্চ করে কোনো এপস পাবে না বাংলাদেশীরা। যদিও পায়, দেখাবে এটা বাংলাদেশের জন্য এভেইলেবল নয়।

এখন আমার প্রশ্ন হলো আপনি নিজেও কি জানেন না যে গুগল পে আর গুগল ওয়ালেট এক না? আর নিউজ পোষ্ট করার আগে নিজে ইন্সটল করার চেষ্টা করে দেখতেন যে আসলেই বাংলাদেশে গুগল পে চলে আসলো কি না। মাঝে মাঝে নিজেও ভেরিফাই করা উচিৎ। নইলে নিজেকে নিজে বোকা প্রমান করবেন।
আপনি খারাপ কথা বলেন নাই, বাংলাদেশের প্রত্যেকটা সাংবাদিক কোন বিষয় বুঝুক বা না বুঝুক সংবাদ করতেই হবে, শিরোনামে এমন কিছু লিখে দিল যার গুষ্টি সহ সম্পূর্ণ বানোয়াট বা মিথ্যা। বাংলাদেশ মূলত প্রযুক্তিগত দিক থেকে সাংবাদিকরা সম্পূর্ণ অজ্ঞ যার কারণে বিটকয়েন নিয়ে মাঝেমধ্যে বাংলাদেশী সংবাদপত্র গুলোর শিরোনাম দেখলে হাসতে হাসতে পেট ব্যথা হয়ে যায়। হয়তো সেই রকম একটি সংবাদ কোন সাংবাদিক তুলে ধরেছে যেখানে গুগল পে এর কথা উল্লেখ করেছে।

না আবার দেখলাম দেশে প্রত্যেকটি পত্রিকায় একই শিরোনাম উল্লেখ করেছেন যেখানে বলেছে google pay কিভাবে ব্যবহার করা হবে তার সম্পূর্ণ ডিটেইল বর্ণনা করে দিয়েছেন। এবং দেখলাম বর্ণাঢ্য অনুষ্ঠানের মাধ্যমে গুগল পে চালু করেছে। দেখি কয়েকদিন পর এর বাস্তবায়ন হয় কিনা।



25. Post 65523534 (unedited backup) (by Z_MBFM) (scraped on Thu Jun 26 21:21:25 CEST 2025) in বাংলাদেশ (Bangladesh):

Quote from: Shishir99 on Today at 05:49:54 PM

পুরাটাই ভুয়া খবর। এরা আসলে সাংবাদিক না, এরা সাংঘাতিক। হয়তো এরা গুগল ওয়ালেট আর গুগল পে-এর তফাৎ বুঝে না, অথবা ইচ্ছে করেই কিছু ভিউস কামানোর জন্য এই ধরনের নিউজ করে। বলদ সাংবাদিকের জানা উচিৎ যে গুগল ওয়ালেট বাংলাদেশে চালু হয়েছে। গুগল পে এখনো বাংলাদেশে চালু হয়নি যেটা জি-পে নামেই মূলত পরিচিত। প্লে স্টোরে গুগল পে সার্চ করে কোনো এপস পাবে না বাংলাদেশীরা। যদিও পায়, দেখাবে এটা বাংলাদেশের জন্য এভেইলেবল নয়।

এখন আমার প্রশ্ন হলো আপনি নিজেও কি জানেন না যে গুগল পে আর গুগল ওয়ালেট এক না? আর নিউজ পোষ্ট করার আগে নিজে ইন্সটল করার চেষ্টা করে দেখতেন যে আসলেই বাংলাদেশে গুগল পে চলে আসলো কি না। মাঝে মাঝে নিজেও ভেরিফাই করা উচিৎ। নইলে নিজেকে নিজে বোকা প্রমান করবেন।
আপনি কিছুটা ভুল বুঝতেছেন ভাই যেটা Google pay নামে সরাসরি অ্যাপস আছে সেটা মূলত তিনটা দেশের জন্য USA, Singapore আর India. এই অ্যাপসের আওতায় যারা আছে তারা তাদের একাউন্ট থেকে ইন্টারন্যাশনাল পেমেন্ট করতে পারবে মানে তাদের আলাদাভাবে পাসপোর্ট দিয়ে কার্ড এন্ডোরসমেন্ট করতে হয় না তারা সরাসরি ইন্টারন্যাশনাল যেকোনো পেমেন্ট করতে পারে। কিন্তু বাংলাদেশসহ অন্যান্য বাকি দেশগুলো Google Wallet নামের অ্যাপটা ব্যবহার করে। Google Wallet এ যে ব্যাংক কার্ড গুলো এড করবেন এখানে আপনি শুধুমাত্র পাবেন এটাই যে আপনার কোন কার্ড ক্যারি করতে হবে না। গুগল ওয়ালেট এ কার্ড অ্যাড করা থাকলে NFC টেকনোলজিতে আপনার মোবাইল ফোন পস মেশিনের সাথে টাচ করে পেমেন্ট করে দিতে পারবেন যেকোনো শপিংমলে বা যেখানে পঁচ মেশিনে পেমেন্ট নেয়। আর বাংলাদেশে বর্তমানে শুধুমাত্র সিটি ব্যাংক এই সার্ভিসের আওতায় আছে।

এটা হল আসল Google Pay অ্যাপস। আর এটা শুধুমাত্র ব্যবহার করতে পারে এই তিন দেশ আর নিজে স্পষ্টভাবেই বলা আছে যারা অন্য দেশ থেকে গুগল পে সার্ভিস ব্যবহার করবে তারা যেন গুগল ওয়ালেট ডাউনলোড করে।


আমার সিটি ব্যাংকের মাস্টার কার্ড আছে আমি এটা পরীক্ষার জন্য অ্যাড করলাম, আমার এই কার্ড অ্যান্ড্রোজমেন্ট করা নেই তাই এটা দিয়ে ডলারে কোন পেমেন্ট হবে না শুধুমাত্র বাংলাদেশের টাকায় পেমেন্ট করা যাবে আপাতত যে পর্যন্ত আমি পাসপোর্ট দিয়ে এনোসমেন্ট না করব। তো আমি আমার কার্ড এড করে দেখলাম গুগল এটাকে ভেরিফাই করতে পারতেছে। আমার আরো অন্য ব্যাংকের ভিসা কার্ড আছে কিন্তু গুগল ওয়ালেটের সেগুলো এড করা যাচ্ছে না। এখানে সার্ভিস পাবে শুধুমাত্র সিটি ব্যাংকের ভিসা এবং মাস্টার কার্ড যাদের আছে তারা। পরবর্তীতে নতুন আরো ব্যাংক যুক্ত করা হবে ধীরে ধীরে।

এই হলো সিটি ব্যাংকের অফিসিয়াল আর্টিকেল তারা সেখানে ইন্সট্রাকশন ভিডিও দিয়ে রাখছে কিভাবে Google Wallet সেটাপকরবেন- https://www.citybankplc.com/google-pay



26. Post 65521202 (unedited backup) (by rabbit_year) (scraped on Thu Jun 26 07:04:37 CEST 2025) in Freewallet.org suspended my account with $23k:

Quote from: Shishir99 on June 25, 2025, 09:44:10 AM
I signed up many years ago so the reviews that are coming out now didn't appear much back then 😭

I also thought I did my due diligence by depositing and withdrawing small amounts of coins before storing all my cryptocurrency in one wallet. It comes from everywhere including Binance, mining pools etc it's all there

More people need to report their rebranded FRWT app to the app stores

I think I saw people even complain to the law enforcement about their scam, but it didn't work. They are still operating their scam business, and unfortunately, people who do not check fall for their scams. It's because people mostly search with the keyword Free wallet and they appear on the first page. I assume you found their wallet same way.

The community cannot do much except be sorry for your loss. There are hundreds of complaints against these scammers. I wish all those victims would get together and fight against these scammers. It seems they are from Estonia.

Thanks for sympathizing, this post is to raise awareness, get suggestions and also so people researching Freewallet.org can find more info about their scam. It is very unfortunate that I didn't get any of this info years ago. I hope these scammers pay for their crimes. U



27. Post 65521157 (unedited backup) (by Shamm) (scraped on Thu Jun 26 06:21:19 CEST 2025) in Start a new beginning after a long sleep in the forum.:

Quote from: Shishir99 on June 25, 2025, 10:15:18 AM
Now she disappeared again.
Shamm applied in a few campaigns with a few earned merits in the last 120 days because she just came back, and obviously, she won't have many earned merits in the last 120 days; she wasn't considered by any campaign manager, and she became inactive again. It seems the forum is all about money. I know I probably wouldn't be this much active without the signature campaign. But it is worth investing some time and earning some merits first before you apply for a campaign. Just giving up and coming back a few days later won't help. Just be more active and invest your time so can earn some merits.

Can I ask you a question?
Did you know what are you talking?
Try to scroll down my history post and see what is the exact date when my last application of campaigns.
Sorry for not being active every day here, cause I found some work in my place that inclined my profession. This forum is one of the best way back before when I was active til now.
I didn't make a post in a past month but still I can see the updates cause I'll acces the forum if I have my vacant.



28. Post 65521020 (unedited backup) (by Biodom) (scraped on Thu Jun 26 03:44:13 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:

Quote from: JayJuanGee on June 25, 2025, 11:48:52 PM
$107,000 is an acceptable recovery entry.

Oh gosh? 

I hope guys are not trying to play bitcoin in those kinds of ways.  That would be an inferior approach to bitcoin and likely to result in inferior outcomes.

Even though I have noticed that when it comes to bitcoin, there have been and continue to be quite a few folks averse to making money... and I hate to say that it is easy, even though a reasonable default play for making money in bitcoinlandia over the past 4-10 years and even longer has largely been to error on the side of ongoing BTC accumulation through buying and/or HODL.. and surely if anyone in bitcoin must sell any of dee cornz, don't sell too many since such bitcoiners should be erroring on the side of accumulating through buying and if no more money, then merely HODLing.

At the same time, surely the longer that a guy had been accumulating the my lil precious and mostly not selling it, then either he is going to reach overaccumulation status through his ongoing buying or alternatively he will likely reach overaccumulation status with the mere passage of time, which likely (or should) end up causing his holdings to transition into overaccumulation status merely from his mostly erroring on the side of HODL and not selling too many too soon.

Not necessarily easy in all circumstances, yet still a kind of cheat code that feels a bit unfair to some of us who have gone through a cycle or two or more.

In other words.. don't be getting in and out..

Just be getting in and mostly staying in.

Though there are no guarantees, a continued erroring on the side of buying bitcoin without selling seems to continue to be the better of paths forward.. perhaps an ongoing cheat code.

This thread is getting a bit heated with religion talks.
I was talking about the war, and it is philipma1957 who came up with some stupid stats and brought religion.
To be fair, Bitcoin is like a religion, too.

EDIT: But better  Cheesy

A bitcoin religion likely requires some level of action. hint hint hint.. ongoing buying until reaching "enough."

[edited out]
More a cult or cultish. I mean I have faith and some claim to have seen bitcoin-jesus or have stigma like laser eyes.
But Santoshi White paper or the source code hardly are holly scripture.

Wait - you are right - it is a religion. I too crave tax exemption.

I never really tended to like the "bitcoin is religious" claims... there is something off about such claims, even though there is some faith coupled with reinforcing actions... and yeah.. magical internet money is kind of fun.



Above is the best I could find.

I did a quickie search, but I could not find an image of the magical internet of money guy blowing glitter into our faces.

all time low btc on exchanges, been reading that for months, but today again numerous times...

maybe this time is different?

maybe.

im ready to move some corn to exchanges once my magic price arrives. not till then lol

Whoooo...

magic....


I like it..

An aura of mysteriousness too.


I know that quite a few of us.. including yours truly are getting a bit anxious about this whole matter.. but feelings of anxiousness and/or that is not going to happen, is a kinds of pattern.. which is part of the amazingness for whatever does end up happening.

If I describe my various plans at various not reached price points.. normies tend to conclude that I am a looney.. and sure, maybe I even tentatively think that I might be a wee bit of a looney.. since I am not exactly counting on the various price points as if they have to happen, but I still have my tentative plan in place in the event that some of them, or all of them end up happening...

Having the "I told you so" in your back pocket is likely another practiced contingency plan.

Don't want to necessarily play the "I told you so" card prior to it being warranted.

Reminds me of my July 2022 relative who was rebutting my assertions that $19k-ish was surely not a bad place to be accumulating bitcoin, and he told me that it also could be the top, and I could not really deny the possibility that "it could have had been the top" - even though we subsequently found out how that "could be the top" ended up playing out.. .around 5.5x greater prices (spot value) since then... and yeah the 200-WMA barely doubled in that same 3-ish years timeline... either way.. a bit more than 2x for 200-WMA or right around 5.5x for spot price (so far).. The "I told you so," is still there. and he seems to remain skeptical and partially a doubter based on likely pride  and/or refusal to reverse his own previous assessments including how strongly he had been bad mouthing bitcoin behind the scenes in and around those times and various other historical repetitions of getting in and out and continuing to want to not be wrong.. .. ego or what?

I have pretty high doubts that we will get within less than 25% of the 200-WMA in 2025, and right now the 200-WMA is nearly $49k and it is moving up by around $40-ish per day ($35 to $55 per day)... so by the time that BTC prices go down (if they did), the 200-WMA would continue to go up, which almost makes it possible to assert that sub $70k will never be reached again... or at least it is 50/50 bettable... and I would take that bet, if you are interested for 50/50.
Dear JJG, if you remember my reply from Mar 01, 2025. I said, in gambling winner is the one who knows when to stop.

I think that my parents raised me badly. 

Luckily we have ceasefire in conflict b/w Iran and Israel, Oil is down and Bitcoin is going up once again.

Fair enough - even though we can never know for sure if the UP is sustainable and enduring or not, we still likely can recognize that there is a certain amount of value in terms of identifying momentum - including the defining of what might be bettable and even the assigned odds might change based on perceptions of momentum.

Regarding 2026.  Sure it is possible (but not a given) that the BTC price will touch upon or even go below the 200-WMA, yet it seems quite likely that we are going to be starting 2026 with a 200-WMA that is right around a minimum of $70k and we will be ending 2026 with likely a 200-WMA of right around $95k.. .. .. So sure  right now it still seems quite possible that we coudl be visiting or revising sub $100k prices, unless we are lucky enough to experience some kinds of upcoming BTC price runs that can drag the 200-WMA to higher levels.

There's gotta be some potential bettables in there.
To be very honest JJG I don't do much tech analysis about Bitcoin, I just buy and hodl but not indefinitely.

I don't change my strategies in any meaningful way based on any short-term expectations that I have, and surely it is easy to get things wrong based on expectations in regards to short-term, which I consider myself frequently getting things wrong in regards to various short-term expectations, even though it can be difficult to stop considering how reassessments of recent happenings might contribute towards some kind of plausible theory where the BTC price might be going in the short-term.. and surely the longer term BTC HODLers likely already have mostly fueled up their BTC supply, as compared with the more recent entrants who are in the process of building up their BTC holdings. .and even though some of the newer entrants might be com plaining or concerned that they are late, as compared with the longer term entrants, there still are plenty of no coiners and low coiners out there who either have not gotten started or are barely getting started in their bitcoin journey..

Even yourself, WatChe, many of us might starting to refer to guys like you as OGs, since you have more than a whole bitcoin cycle under your belt... 5.5 years surely is not a bad place to be, even though some guys get distracted into shitcoins or even trading bitcoin, and they might even be from parts of the world where their own governments are working against their abilities to get into bitcoin without hostilities.. or they might have needs to avoid hostilities, which you may have mentioned something like that previously, too.

So far this strategy has given me a lot as I installed Solar System last year and now I don't pay electricity bill, I bought new car this year and all that's possible because of Bitcoin. Enjoy the Bitcoin profit as much as you can.

Oh yeah.. now I remember.  You are taking profits.. so it is likely going to be harder to call you an O.G in the future, and I can recall all kinds of guys through the years referring to so many of the toys that they bought with their bitcoin "profits," and there is almost no fucking way that they are even going to be able to get back a fraction of the coins that they spent for heir short-to-medium term pleasures (and improvements to their quality of life).

Of course, no one can make decisions for you in regards to the trade offs between present consumption and delayed gratification... and surely, I consider that there is a lot of power in a couple of cycles of mostly accumulating and mostly selling small amounts of corn.. and sure opinions can vary and guys are responsible for their own choices, since each of us has to live with the consequences of our choices, that's for sure.

Surely I have my own variety of costs per coin, even though I am thinking of converting from $1k per coin up to a higher number, but surely I can recall some portions of bitcoin that I had accumulated (bought) for something like $60 in mid-2015 (so I got something like 0.24 BTC), and then in early 2021, I had made some purchase for an item that was around $9k, and so I ended up spending 0.15 of those BTC.. and so I still had around 0.09 BTC left in that address (wallet).. so then over the last few years I spent several times from that wallet and/or address with transactions of $30 to $200, and currently, without having had added any more value, I still have more than 0.05 BTC in that wallet... so there can surely be some value in regards to not getting overly anxious to spend your bitcoin, even if there might b some reasons to spend some of that BTC from time to time.

[edited out]
I can get on board with that.  I'm actually shocked at the lack of interest in Bitcoin I'm still seeing.  For a second there some people got interested when we were headed up to $100K for the first time, but the correction down to $80K chased them all away in short order.  I'm at a loss at this point.  I don't even try to orange pill my acquaintances anymore.  I just make sure to make a passing comment so they can't yell at me later for not telling them to buy Bitcoin.  I'll tell them now, but only once.  If they miss out, it is no longer on me.

Some acquaintances get absolutely angry.. as if they are being sold something... so it can sometimes be aggravating to even throw in the zingers from time to time that are meant to incentivize them to get started in bitcoin rather than antagonize them against it...


And for sure, if you (Ognasty) are even close to as annoying in real life as you are on the forum, then I can definitely see how some normies (acquaintances of real world OgNasty) might want to do the exact opposite of whatever you might be suggesting them to do, even if you might have suggested a thing that is for their own good. 

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Now you seem to be saying "up before down," so why say it?  Why make proclamations that are opposite?  Maybe you are wanting to say both, but still neither is convincing except to say that we could have a break out in either direction, and maybe up has odds that are slightly greater than down, since we are in a bull market.

Your part about our bullmarket dragging out into mid-2026 seems to completely ignore LFC's tried and true conceptualization of a 2025 bull market that is mostly wrapping up in either 3rd quarter or at latest 4th quarter of 2025.

Personally, I have no problem acknowledging that cycles still exist and mostly fall within their historical 4 year timeframes, while at the same time retaining enough statistical variance (or is it "probability variance"?) that they do not need to fall exactly within historical 4-year timeframes in order to still be largely continuing to follow such 4-year patterns that involve human behavior and no real abilities to mathematically pin down exactly when the over-exuberance might end up occurring that results in buy support no longer being strong enough to be able to prevent the BTC price from gravitating downwardly.

By the way, BALIK, I hate to send you an smerit for saying nearly exactly the opposite from your earlier post, but I couldn't help myself... even though I remain a bit bothered by the seeming inconsistencies..... perhaps since you seem to be proclaiming consistency as one of your values within at least one of the posts.. ..  but then, again, what else is new around these here parts?? ??   Guys, including but not necessarily limited to, yours truly, sometimes are "all over the place"...   It is not like forum threads like this one need to rise to the level of scholarly prestige (analysis), especially since frequently there are a lot of things going on that may well affect BTC price dynamics that touch on a lot of areas of life.. including that at any given time, all of the ducks seem to be lined up to go in one direction, and then the opposite ends up happening..   Cry Cry
Haha, fair call JayJuanGee. It is true I might have sounded like I was conjuring both "up before down" and "down before up" vibes. But that is kind of the game, isn't it? It is rare to see Bitcoin cycle play out clean.

It still seems possible to say that the BTC price could go either way without internally contradicting yourself. Don't you think?

What I am leaning into is that macro indication, accumulation, longterm hodlers, low latency, all are suggesting we are not in the blowoff top zone so far. I totally get LFC's Q3-Q4 2025 argument. Just saying there is always room for divergence, could stretch, could snap.

Sure.

We could have a base case scenario that we expect to be the most likely of any scenarios while at the same time realizing that the peak could come  at a different time than expected or that the top could end up overshooting or undershooting, yet we still might consider our base case as the most likely while accounting for possible alternative scenarios.  Emphasis of the base case (even if it might end up being wrong) is not internally inconsistent.

And consistency? I really aim for it, but hey, we are all surfers in this chaos. Wink

I have made similar claims about each of us being walking bags of inconsistencies.. So I will acknowledge that a lack of consistency to be a shared weakness that likely exists within an overwhelming majority of normies, which reminds the Ralph Waldo Emerson assertion that "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds," which likely means that any of us can end up going too far with our expectations for consistency in places that such consistencies might rarely exist.

You still might deserve a bat slappening for the intensity of your simultaneously arguing of both sides....   Tongue Tongue Tongue    but hey.. whatever...  let's let bygones be.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

all time low btc on exchanges, been reading that for months, but today again numerous times...
maybe this time is different?
maybe.
im ready to move some corn to exchanges once my magic price arrives. not till then lol
I know, people don't really like to talk about the 'pie in the sky' numbers like $21 mil/btc in 21 years (by 2046), which was provided by M. Saylor (Bitcoin Prague speech that i linked yesterday).
That said, there was a funny factoid there...at $21 mil/btc, someone is a billionaire with 48 btc.
That said, MS also proposed to "save" $50K into bitcoin yearly, which is not affordable for an average dude, so he may not really understand the common folk well.

Even though some of his ideas can be inspirational, he does seem a bit out of touch within terms of some normal numbers, and also there sometimes are needs for moderation of the use of debt, even though he is likely directionally correct that debt can be used towards your advantage when you are able to identify places to put the money that are likely to outperform the cost of the debt..

I heard the opposite (to trying to become a billionaire) point of view on The Prof G (Galloway) podcast.
He said that he refused to strife to become a billionaire, even though there was a path.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=736vqEuvNq0

Once he hit his 'number', which from the other numbers he discussed probably was in the vicinity of $100mil (maybe $50-200 mil), he either spends the surplus yearly or gives to charity.

Some guys know when they have enough.

I know a guy who bought 20 bitcoin in 2015, and to this day, he continues to proclaim that 20 is enough.

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

..... Think about how awesome it is that they hate Trump so much you know they are panic selling every single one of these dips.  ....
So do you have any proof for that statement you just pulled out of your arse?   ...didn't think so.

I hate to side with OgNasty, since he can be a bit irritating, yet we likely should acknowledge that there likely is some truth that some folks just strive to do the opposite of Trump, and surely Trump inspires that kind of behavior, which sometimes can end up working to the disadvantage of the folks who get triggered merely by Trump.. .. If I was not already in bitcoin prior to Trump and I could not see through his seemingly grifting side agendas, I might well get distracted into thinking that bitcoin is the same as crypto and it is not a good thing.

We also have some similar bullshit with the convoluting of stable coins and hopefully not too many people lose sight of their need to accumulate and hold bitcoin.. not those various versions of the dollar that are losing value at the same rate as the dollar.

...with each Trump win ...
"In recent months, 96% of his administration’s federal district court rulings have gone against him."

For sure Trump and his various appointees tend to be vindictive petty and purposefully attempting to undermine a large variety of legal institutions, which surely is irritating for a lot of folks who have built lives around various institutions and even legal principles and precedent. some of the tactics of Trump and his folk are surely sickening, even when they might come up with some various possible arguable legitimate reasons for their various kinds of hate and simultaneous power grabs..and maybe even diversions..

you lost some quotation marks along the way   Roll Eyes
re myself, your numbers are just from a theoretical example, nothing that corresponds to reality.
you also can say that it was 0.63 btc or, perhaps, 0.42 btc (if the idea is to make it divisible by 21)  Grin



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Quote from: Paashaas on Today at 10:34:31 AM
$107,000 is an acceptable recovery entry.

Oh gosh? 

I hope guys are not trying to play bitcoin in those kinds of ways.  That would be an inferior approach to bitcoin and likely to result in inferior outcomes.

Even though I have noticed that when it comes to bitcoin, there have been and continue to be quite a few folks averse to making money... and I hate to say that it is easy, even though a reasonable default play for making money in bitcoinlandia over the past 4-10 years and even longer has largely been to error on the side of ongoing BTC accumulation through buying and/or HODL.. and surely if anyone in bitcoin must sell any of dee cornz, don't sell too many since such bitcoiners should be erroring on the side of accumulating through buying and if no more money, then merely HODLing.

At the same time, surely the longer that a guy had been accumulating the my lil precious and mostly not selling it, then either he is going to reach overaccumulation status through his ongoing buying or alternatively he will likely reach overaccumulation status with the mere passage of time, which likely (or should) end up causing his holdings to transition into overaccumulation status merely from his mostly erroring on the side of HODL and not selling too many too soon.

Not necessarily easy in all circumstances, yet still a kind of cheat code that feels a bit unfair to some of us who have gone through a cycle or two or more.

In other words.. don't be getting in and out..

Just be getting in and mostly staying in.

Though there are no guarantees, a continued erroring on the side of buying bitcoin without selling seems to continue to be the better of paths forward.. perhaps an ongoing cheat code.

Quote from: OutOfMemory on Today at 11:08:52 AM
This thread is getting a bit heated with religion talks.
I was talking about the war, and it is philipma1957 who came up with some stupid stats and brought religion.
To be fair, Bitcoin is like a religion, too.

EDIT: But better  Cheesy

A bitcoin religion likely requires some level of action. hint hint hint.. ongoing buying until reaching "enough."

Quote from: SaintFlow on Today at 01:15:45 PM
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More a cult or cultish. I mean I have faith and some claim to have seen bitcoin-jesus or have stigma like laser eyes.
But Santoshi White paper or the source code hardly are holly scripture.

Wait - you are right - it is a religion. I too crave tax exemption.

I never really tended to like the "bitcoin is religious" claims... there is something off about such claims, even though there is some faith coupled with reinforcing actions... and yeah.. magical internet money is kind of fun.



Above is the best I could find.

I did a quickie search, but I could not find an image of the magical internet of money guy blowing glitter into our faces.

Quote from: vapourminer on Today at 04:28:58 PM
all time low btc on exchanges, been reading that for months, but today again numerous times...

maybe this time is different?

maybe.

im ready to move some corn to exchanges once my magic price arrives. not till then lol

Whoooo...

magic....


I like it..

An aura of mysteriousness too.


I know that quite a few of us.. including yours truly are getting a bit anxious about this whole matter.. but feelings of anxiousness and/or that is not going to happen, is a kinds of pattern.. which is part of the amazingness for whatever does end up happening.

If I describe my various plans at various not reached price points.. normies tend to conclude that I am a looney.. and sure, maybe I even tentatively think that I might be a wee bit of a looney.. since I am not exactly counting on the various price points as if they have to happen, but I still have my tentative plan in place in the event that some of them, or all of them end up happening...

Having the "I told you so" in your back pocket is likely another practiced contingency plan.

Don't want to necessarily play the "I told you so" card prior to it being warranted.

Reminds me of my July 2022 relative who was rebutting my assertions that $19k-ish was surely not a bad place to be accumulating bitcoin, and he told me that it also could be the top, and I could not really deny the possibility that "it could have had been the top" - even though we subsequently found out how that "could be the top" ended up playing out.. .around 5.5x greater prices (spot value) since then... and yeah the 200-WMA barely doubled in that same 3-ish years timeline... either way.. a bit more than 2x for 200-WMA or right around 5.5x for spot price (so far).. The "I told you so," is still there. and he seems to remain skeptical and partially a doubter based on likely pride  and/or refusal to reverse his own previous assessments including how strongly he had been bad mouthing bitcoin behind the scenes in and around those times and various other historical repetitions of getting in and out and continuing to want to not be wrong.. .. ego or what?

Quote from: WatChe on Today at 05:20:54 PM
I have pretty high doubts that we will get within less than 25% of the 200-WMA in 2025, and right now the 200-WMA is nearly $49k and it is moving up by around $40-ish per day ($35 to $55 per day)... so by the time that BTC prices go down (if they did), the 200-WMA would continue to go up, which almost makes it possible to assert that sub $70k will never be reached again... or at least it is 50/50 bettable... and I would take that bet, if you are interested for 50/50.
Dear JJG, if you remember my reply from Mar 01, 2025. I said, in gambling winner is the one who knows when to stop.

I think that my parents raised me badly. 

Quote from: WatChe on Today at 05:20:54 PM
Luckily we have ceasefire in conflict b/w Iran and Israel, Oil is down and Bitcoin is going up once again.

Fair enough - even though we can never know for sure if the UP is sustainable and enduring or not, we still likely can recognize that there is a certain amount of value in terms of identifying momentum - including the defining of what might be bettable and even the assigned odds might change based on perceptions of momentum.

Quote from: WatChe on Today at 05:20:54 PM
Regarding 2026.  Sure it is possible (but not a given) that the BTC price will touch upon or even go below the 200-WMA, yet it seems quite likely that we are going to be starting 2026 with a 200-WMA that is right around a minimum of $70k and we will be ending 2026 with likely a 200-WMA of right around $95k.. .. .. So sure  right now it still seems quite possible that we coudl be visiting or revising sub $100k prices, unless we are lucky enough to experience some kinds of upcoming BTC price runs that can drag the 200-WMA to higher levels.

There's gotta be some potential bettables in there.
To be very honest JJG I don't do much tech analysis about Bitcoin, I just buy and hodl but not indefinitely.

I don't change my strategies in any meaningful way based on any short-term expectations that I have, and surely it is easy to get things wrong based on expectations in regards to short-term, which I consider myself frequently getting things wrong in regards to various short-term expectations, even though it can be difficult to stop considering how reassessments of recent happenings might contribute towards some kind of plausible theory where the BTC price might be going in the short-term.. and surely the longer term BTC HODLers likely already have mostly fueled up their BTC supply, as compared with the more recent entrants who are in the process of building up their BTC holdings. .and even though some of the newer entrants might be com plaining or concerned that they are late, as compared with the longer term entrants, there still are plenty of no coiners and low coiners out there who either have not gotten started or are barely getting started in their bitcoin journey..

Even yourself, WatChe, many of us might starting to refer to guys like you as OGs, since you have more than a whole bitcoin cycle under your belt... 5.5 years surely is not a bad place to be, even though some guys get distracted into shitcoins or even trading bitcoin, and they might even be from parts of the world where their own governments are working against their abilities to get into bitcoin without hostilities.. or they might have needs to avoid hostilities, which you may have mentioned something like that previously, too.

Quote from: WatChe on Today at 05:20:54 PM
So far this strategy has given me a lot as I installed Solar System last year and now I don't pay electricity bill, I bought new car this year and all that's possible because of Bitcoin. Enjoy the Bitcoin profit as much as you can.

Oh yeah.. now I remember.  You are taking profits.. so it is likely going to be harder to call you an O.G in the future, and I can recall all kinds of guys through the years referring to so many of the toys that they bought with their bitcoin "profits," and there is almost no fucking way that they are even going to be able to get back a fraction of the coins that they spent for heir short-to-medium term pleasures (and improvements to their quality of life).

Of course, no one can make decisions for you in regards to the trade offs between present consumption and delayed gratification... and surely, I consider that there is a lot of power in a couple of cycles of mostly accumulating and mostly selling small amounts of corn.. and sure opinions can vary and guys are responsible for their own choices, since each of us has to live with the consequences of our choices, that's for sure.

Surely I have my own variety of costs per coin, even though I am thinking of converting from $1k per coin up to a higher number, but surely I can recall some portions of bitcoin that I had accumulated (bought) for something like $60 in mid-2015 (so I got something like 0.24 BTC), and then in early 2021, I had made some purchase for an item that was around $9k, and so I ended up spending 0.15 of those BTC.. and so I still had around 0.09 BTC left in that address (wallet).. so then over the last few years I spent several times from that wallet and/or address with transactions of $30 to $200, and currently, without having had added any more value, I still have more than 0.05 BTC in that wallet... so there can surely be some value in regards to not getting overly anxious to spend your bitcoin, even if there might b some reasons to spend some of that BTC from time to time.

Quote from: OgNasty on Today at 06:27:36 PM
[edited out]
I can get on board with that.  I'm actually shocked at the lack of interest in Bitcoin I'm still seeing.  For a second there some people got interested when we were headed up to $100K for the first time, but the correction down to $80K chased them all away in short order.  I'm at a loss at this point.  I don't even try to orange pill my acquaintances anymore.  I just make sure to make a passing comment so they can't yell at me later for not telling them to buy Bitcoin.  I'll tell them now, but only once.  If they miss out, it is no longer on me.

Some acquaintances get absolutely angry.. as if they are being sold something... so it can sometimes be aggravating to even throw in the zingers from time to time that are meant to incentivize them to get started in bitcoin rather than antagonize them against it...


And for sure, if you (Ognasty) are even close to as annoying in real life as you are on the forum, then I can definitely see how some normies (acquaintances of real world OgNasty) might want to do the exact opposite of whatever you might be suggesting them to do, even if you might have suggested a thing that is for their own good. 

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Now you seem to be saying "up before down," so why say it?  Why make proclamations that are opposite?  Maybe you are wanting to say both, but still neither is convincing except to say that we could have a break out in either direction, and maybe up has odds that are slightly greater than down, since we are in a bull market.

Your part about our bullmarket dragging out into mid-2026 seems to completely ignore LFC's tried and true conceptualization of a 2025 bull market that is mostly wrapping up in either 3rd quarter or at latest 4th quarter of 2025.

Personally, I have no problem acknowledging that cycles still exist and mostly fall within their historical 4 year timeframes, while at the same time retaining enough statistical variance (or is it "probability variance"?) that they do not need to fall exactly within historical 4-year timeframes in order to still be largely continuing to follow such 4-year patterns that involve human behavior and no real abilities to mathematically pin down exactly when the over-exuberance might end up occurring that results in buy support no longer being strong enough to be able to prevent the BTC price from gravitating downwardly.

By the way, BALIK, I hate to send you an smerit for saying nearly exactly the opposite from your earlier post, but I couldn't help myself... even though I remain a bit bothered by the seeming inconsistencies..... perhaps since you seem to be proclaiming consistency as one of your values within at least one of the posts.. ..  but then, again, what else is new around these here parts?? ??   Guys, including but not necessarily limited to, yours truly, sometimes are "all over the place"...   It is not like forum threads like this one need to rise to the level of scholarly prestige (analysis), especially since frequently there are a lot of things going on that may well affect BTC price dynamics that touch on a lot of areas of life.. including that at any given time, all of the ducks seem to be lined up to go in one direction, and then the opposite ends up happening..   Cry Cry
Haha, fair call JayJuanGee. It is true I might have sounded like I was conjuring both "up before down" and "down before up" vibes. But that is kind of the game, isn't it? It is rare to see Bitcoin cycle play out clean.

It still seems possible to say that the BTC price could go either way without internally contradicting yourself. Don't you think?

What I am leaning into is that macro indication, accumulation, longterm hodlers, low latency, all are suggesting we are not in the blowoff top zone so far. I totally get LFC's Q3-Q4 2025 argument. Just saying there is always room for divergence, could stretch, could snap.

Sure.

We could have a base case scenario that we expect to be the most likely of any scenarios while at the same time realizing that the peak could come  at a different time than expected or that the top could end up overshooting or undershooting, yet we still might consider our base case as the most likely while accounting for possible alternative scenarios.  Emphasis of the base case (even if it might end up being wrong) is not internally inconsistent.

And consistency? I really aim for it, but hey, we are all surfers in this chaos. Wink

I have made similar claims about each of us being walking bags of inconsistencies.. So I will acknowledge that a lack of consistency to be a shared weakness that likely exists within an overwhelming majority of normies, which reminds the Ralph Waldo Emerson assertion that "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds," which likely means that any of us can end up going too far with our expectations for consistency in places that such consistencies might rarely exist.

You still might deserve a bat slappening for the intensity of your simultaneously arguing of both sides....   Tongue Tongue Tongue    but hey.. whatever...  let's let bygones be.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

all time low btc on exchanges, been reading that for months, but today again numerous times...
maybe this time is different?
maybe.
im ready to move some corn to exchanges once my magic price arrives. not till then lol
I know, people don't really like to talk about the 'pie in the sky' numbers like $21 mil/btc in 21 years (by 2046), which was provided by M. Saylor (Bitcoin Prague speech that i linked yesterday).
That said, there was a funny factoid there...at $21 mil/btc, someone is a billionaire with 48 btc.
That said, MS also proposed to "save" $50K into bitcoin yearly, which is not affordable for an average dude, so he may not really understand the common folk well.

Even though some of his ideas can be inspirational, he does seem a bit out of touch within terms of some normal numbers, and also there sometimes are needs for moderation of the use of debt, even though he is likely directionally correct that debt can be used towards your advantage when you are able to identify places to put the money that are likely to outperform the cost of the debt..

I heard the opposite (to trying to become a billionaire) point of view on The Prof G (Galloway) podcast.
He said that he refused to strife to become a billionaire, even though there was a path.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=736vqEuvNq0

Once he hit his 'number', which from the other numbers he discussed probably was in the vicinity of $100mil (maybe $50-200 mil), he either spends the surplus yearly or gives to charity.

Some guys know when they have enough.

I know a guy who bought 20 bitcoin in 2015, and to this day, he continues to proclaim that 20 is enough.

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

..... Think about how awesome it is that they hate Trump so much you know they are panic selling every single one of these dips.  ....
So do you have any proof for that statement you just pulled out of your arse?   ...didn't think so.

I hate to side with OgNasty, since he can be a bit irritating, yet we likely should acknowledge that there likely is some truth that some folks just strive to do the opposite of Trump, and surely Trump inspires that kind of behavior, which sometimes can end up working to the disadvantage of the folks who get triggered merely by Trump.. .. If I was not already in bitcoin prior to Trump and I could not see through his seemingly grifting side agendas, I might well get distracted into thinking that bitcoin is the same as crypto and it is not a good thing.

We also have some similar bullshit with the convoluting of stable coins and hopefully not too many people lose sight of their need to accumulate and hold bitcoin.. not those various versions of the dollar that are losing value at the same rate as the dollar.

...with each Trump win ...
"In recent months, 96% of his administration’s federal district court rulings have gone against him."

For sure Trump and his various appointees tend to be vindictive petty and purposefully attempting to undermine a large variety of legal institutions, which surely is irritating for a lot of folks who have built lives around various institutions and even legal principles and precedent. some of the tactics of Trump and his folk are surely sickening, even when they might come up with some various possible arguable legitimate reasons for their various kinds of hate and simultaneous power grabs..and maybe even diversions..



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Quote from: bangjoe on Today at 02:26:38 PM
This thread is getting a bit heated with religion talks.

I was talking about the war, and it is philipma1957 who came up with some stupid stats and brought religion.


To be fair, Bitcoin is like a religion, too.

EDIT: But better  Cheesy

OK, well, that's enough, let's get back to the main road, Bitcoin is slowly creeping up, let's just laugh at the people who are skeptical of Bitcoin.

Don't let Saylor party and laugh alone with his Bitcoin.

I'm looking at a $120k Apparition right now. Smiley

I can get on board with that.  I'm actually shocked at the lack of interest in Bitcoin I'm still seeing.  For a second there some people got interested when we were headed up to $100K for the first time, but the correction down to $80K chased them all away in short order.  I'm at a loss at this point.  I don't even try to orange pill my acquaintances anymore.  I just make sure to make a passing comment so they can't yell at me later for not telling them to buy Bitcoin.  I'll tell them now, but only once.  If they miss out, it is no longer on me.



31. Post 65519315 (unedited backup) (by xhomerx10) (scraped on Wed Jun 25 16:43:55 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:

Quote from: bangjoe on Today at 02:26:38 PM
This thread is getting a bit heated with religion talks.

I was talking about the war, and it is philipma1957 who came up with some stupid stats and brought religion.


To be fair, Bitcoin is like a religion, too.

EDIT: But better  Cheesy

OK, well, that's enough, let's get back to the main road, Bitcoin is slowly creeping up, let's just laugh at the people who are skeptical of Bitcoin.

Don't let Saylor party and laugh alone with his Bitcoin.

I'm looking at a $120k Apparition right now. Smiley

 $120k shouldn't be considered an apparition; it's a given.  Maybe $1M could be considered an apparition at this stage though.



32. Post 65519265 (unedited backup) (by bangjoe) (scraped on Wed Jun 25 16:26:43 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:

Quote from: OutOfMemory on Today at 11:08:52 AM
This thread is getting a bit heated with religion talks.

I was talking about the war, and it is philipma1957 who came up with some stupid stats and brought religion.


To be fair, Bitcoin is like a religion, too.

EDIT: But better  Cheesy

OK, well, that's enough, let's get back to the main road, Bitcoin is slowly creeping up, let's just laugh at the people who are skeptical of Bitcoin.

Don't let Saylor party and laugh alone with his Bitcoin.

I'm looking at a $120k Apparition right now. Smiley



33. Post 65519223 (unedited backup) (by Rikafip) (scraped on Wed Jun 25 16:11:37 CEST 2025) in Brief monthly overview of the local board activity:

The time has come for another brief monthly overview of the local boards activity, this time for May 2025. All charts and table are made using data from @DdmrDdmr Merit Dashboard and @TryNinja Ninjastic.space.

Communities marked with * (Pakistan, Bangladesh) unfortunately still don't have their own local boards.



Post activity per local board during May 2025

During the last month, 12794 posts were written across 18 local boards which is an increase compared to April's numbers (12356). Russian local board remained at the top, but Nigerian  is coming closer month after month and its just a matter of time before they overtake them.




Active members per local board during May 2025

During May, 1241 members wrote at least 1 post in one of the local board which is a slight increase compared to month before (1236 during May), which is not a surprise given the increase in the amont of posts as well. In this chart Russian still has big advantage over the others, but we will see how that develops.




Local board members per amount of posts during May 2025

When it comes to the members who wrote only 1 post, Romanian is the leader with 63%, while in the same time Pilipinas has only 9% of such members.

In the 2-9 posts bracket leader is the French local board with 55%, while on the other side Polish local has only 20% of the members who wrote between 2-9 posts.

And regarding the 10+ posts bracket, Croatian local is the leader with 55% and at the bottom its Romanian local with only 13% of the members who wrote 10+ posts.




Merit shared per local board during May 2025

During the above mentioned period 7479 merit was sent acorss local boards that are part of this overview, which makes it a huge increase compared to April's numbers (5873). German local board is back at the top after poor Aoril's performance, narrowly beating Nigerian local while Russian local dropped to for them unusually low 3rd spot.

Majority of the local boards shared more merit than in April, with Nigerian local sticking out (904-1663). At the same time, Indonesian has a big decrease (from 619 down to 304).




Merit/Post ratio per local board during May 2025

During May , the average merit per post ratio for local board was 0.58, meaning a big increase compared to April (0.48).

Romanian board is kinda messing up this chart once again, this time with even higher merit/post ratio than last month (just to add that this is not too unusual for less active boards)  followed far behind by German local board, while at the same time Pilipinas remiend the dead last wityh only 0.1 merit per post.

Given the recently appointed merit sources in many local boards, I expect this chart to looks much different in the next overview.




Merit senders and receivers per local board during May 2025

During May, 503 members sent while 620 received merit in once of the local boards, which is (an expected) increase compared to April (519 senders/579 receivers). Despite being 2nd on merit amount chart, Nigerian local dominates this chart, leaving all others far behind, and you can say that Indonesian also performed well consdiering their amount of merit sent.




Percentage of merited posts across local boards during May 2025

Considering their crazy high merit per post ratio, no surprise to see Romanian board once again at the top with 52% of merited post, while far more active Nigerian, German and Italian are behind at around 30% mark.




Merit per transaction across local boards during May 2025

Last but not the least, chart that shows meriting habits of local boards. Here we have Greek local board sticking due fact that they only had 2 merit transaction during may, causing this unrealistically high merit per transaction value, while Romanian (another less active local board) also had unrealistically high number.




The most active members per local board during May 2025

And in the end, list of the most active local boards members. This time two members from Russian local board were the most active ones; klarki with 175 and jokers10 with 169 posts while joker_josue  from Portuguese local board was 3rd with 152 posts written in his local druing last month. Keep it up guys!
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Russian |German |Turkish |Italian |Portuguese |Spanish |
_________________|_________________|_________________|_________________|_________________|_________________|
1. klarki [175] |1. MaxMueller [113] |1. yenerbatmaz [94] |1. babo [89] |1. joker_josue [152] |1. famososMuertos [56] |
2. jokers10 [169] |2. Lakai01 [99] |2. mandown [87] |2. Ale88 [72] |2. bitmover [91] |2. Don Pedro Dinero [46] |
3. Julien_Olynpic [133] |3. cygan [80] |3. blomen [77] |3. giorgione [60] |3. TryNinja [77] |3. Hispo [41] |
4. zasad@ [94] |4. Soonandwaite [79] |4. execijutiere [61] |4. fillippone [55] |4. Forsyth Jones [59] |4. sausalitox [31] |
5. xandry [88] |5. Real-Duke [75] |5. Mustang Shelby [60] |5. xenomorfo [49] |5. tg88 [55] |5. Porfirii [29] |
6. Alex077 [85] |6. Unknown01 [59] |6. ajanwalker [56] |6. Plutosky [44] |6. Pumared [50] |6. darbitmobilerecovery [23] |
7. safar1980 [74] |7. Koal-84 [52] |7. RaltcoinsB [57] |7. Lillominato89 [38] |7. r_victory [33] |7. seoincorporation [21] |
8. Numeral [58] |8. Buchi-88 [51] |8. RaltcoinsB [57] |8. gbianchi [34] |8. mikel_012 [32] |8. d5000 [19] |
9. mak013 [57] |9. MinoRaiola [48] |9. ajanwalker [56] |9. bastisisca [31] |9. non fungible anxiety [32] |9. Drawesome [15] |
10. eisen33 [53] |10. willi9974 [47] |10. Hvdv [52] |10. bitbollo [26] |10. Mindyspace [31] |10. darxiaomi [14] |


Indonesian|French|Pilipinas|Croatian|Nigerian|Arabic
_________________|_________________|_________________|_________________|_________________|_________________|
1. Chikito [90]|1. Becassine [21]|1. Peanutswar [41]|1. katanic97 [63]|1. Charles-Tim [60]|1. Kavelj22 [30]
2. punk.zink [44]|2. patrickus [20]|2. gunhell16 [34]|2. btcltcdigger [45]|2. Joy- maker [43]|2. khaled0111 [27]
3. Husna QA [42]|3. Danydee [19]|3. cryptoaddictchie [33]|3. Rikafip [38]|3. Africolo [41]|3. yhiaali3 [25]
4. mu_enrico [34]|4. Saint-loup [8]|4. Mr. Magkaisa [30]|4. Pmalek [30]|4. Sonia_123 [35]|4. satoshyat.team [19]
5. MAAManda [31]|5. G.Seed [6]|5. GreatArkansas [25]|5. Trofo [30]|5. Tonimez [34]|5. GxSTxV [16]
6. Luzin [29]|6. tuxo [6]|6. PX-Z [24]|6. dkbit98 [27]|6. Josefjix [33]|6. OmegaStarScream [8]
7. joniboini [25]|7. Halab [4]|7. serjent05 [24]|7. slackovic [27]|7. Mate2237 [32]|7. Privatus [8]
8. len01 [25]|8. coupable [4]|8. Fredomago [22]|8. cryptofrka [25]|8. CryptoHeadlineNews [30]|8. albon [4]
9. armanda90 [23]|9. Angroid [2]|9. bhadz [22]|9. examplens [24]|9. POPOLUV [28]|9. Ochan_yazo_tochant [3]
10. Rashlyowl [22]|10. GrosWesh [2]|10. blockman [22]|10. ovcijisir [23]|10. Princess Leah [28]|10. hugeblack [3]


Polish |Indian |Greek |Romanian |Pakistan* |Bengali* |
_________________|_________________|_________________|_________________|_________________|_________________|
1. cygan [27]|1. IIrik11 [26]|1. condoras [19]|1. GazetaBitcoin [14]|1. qurbanshah02 [39]|1. DYING_S0UL [22] |
2. pawel7777 [4]|2. JSRAW [25]|2. Ultegra134 [14]|2. NeuroticFish [4]|2. JunaidAzizi [35]|2. Nothingtodo [19] |
3. bitbartek [1]|3. Bitcoin Smith [14]|3. coctailnuts [6]|3. UsdtBucuresti [2]|3. GbitG [25]|3. Bd officer [18] |
4. shual1982als [1]|4. TheUltraElite [8]|4. apogio [4]|4. IonCreanga [1]|4. Cheema02 [22]|4. Shishir99 [16] |
5. stwenhao [1]|5. M47AK16 [5]|5. BitcoinsGreece [3]|5. amsterdamlucian [1]|5. MusaPk [22]|5. Crypto Library [12] |
|6. henry1111 [4]|6. changlee [2]|6. ethanhunt2023 [1]|6. Rustam Meraj [22]|6. HelliumZ [12] |
|7. libert19 [4]|7. Dimitris [1]|7. jedaite [1]|7. ZAINmalik75 [22]|7. LDL [12] |
|8. GazetaBitcoin [3]|8. RnBMC.official [1]|8. shinotabu28u [1]|8. Publictalk792 [16]|8. Bluedrem [11] |
|9. Mastercon [2]|9. alani123 [1]| |9. UmerIdrees [15]|9. Mahiyammahi [11] |
|10. Orange89 [2]|10. mastercryptogr [1]| |10. Compromise me [14] |10. Hossain Risfa [9]|



34. Post 65519051 (unedited backup) (by SaintFlow) (scraped on Wed Jun 25 15:15:49 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:

Quote from: OutOfMemory on Today at 11:08:52 AM
This thread is getting a bit heated with religion talks.

I was talking about the war, and it is philipma1957 who came up with some stupid stats and brought religion.


To be fair, Bitcoin is like a religion, too.

EDIT: But better  Cheesy

More a cult or cultish. I mean I have faith and some claim to have seen bitcoin-jesus or have stigma like laser eyes.

But Santoshi White paper or the source code hardly are holly scripture.

Wait - you are right - it is a religion. I too crave tax exemption.



35. Post 65518673 (unedited backup) (by OutOfMemory) (scraped on Wed Jun 25 13:08:55 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:

Quote from: Shishir99 on Today at 09:28:46 AM
This thread is getting a bit heated with religion talks. 

I was talking about the war, and it is philipma1957 who came up with some stupid stats and brought religion.


To be fair, Bitcoin is like a religion, too.



36. Post 65516218 (unedited backup) (by Wind_FURY) (scraped on Tue Jun 24 17:19:07 CEST 2025) in Betnomi | Project status:

Quote from: Shishir99 on June 23, 2025, 01:55:44 PM
What's a little peculiar about the situation is the "scammers" started another service that's the same with the previous service, and the people behind the current service didn't try to hide the fact that they were connected to the previous service.

  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Why?

 🤔

I don't know. Probably they thought no one would notice. Also, they changed the thread title and added SOLVED. So, people from this forum might think there is no problem if they come up with new casinos. They build a reputation by solving all the issues, or maybe something else. I don't know why they did not try to hide the connection.

They are still operating two casinos with the same casino script. They made a few changes, like different colors, and that's all. Once a scammer, always a scammer. Just ignore them.


Playing Devil's Advocate, and giving them the benefit of the doubt, they probably tried to make everything right for their users, and so that they could start their new service with no problems and a clean image. But they probably didn't expected how hard it would be for making things right for their users?

  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Because why try to do things right if it's not actually trying to do right?



37. Post 65515950 (unedited backup) (by philipma1957) (scraped on Tue Jun 24 15:51:49 CEST 2025) in Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion:

Quote from: Shishir99 on Today at 06:25:07 AM
While the war was escalating between Iran and Israel, all the media started focusing on this war, and they barely covered the news from Gaza. I saw some Israeli people saying that Iran is launching missiles at civilians and killing innocent civilians. I was surprised that they learned some new words, such as "Innocent" and "Civilians". Meanwhile, they were killing civilians in Gaza.

FYI: No organizations can send aid there without approval by IDF. The people on Gaza are hungry and when they gather for aids and desperately look for food, IDF come in action and kill them.

Israeli troops have killed at least 70 Palestinians and wounded hundreds as they sought aid in Gaza on Tuesday, firing at them with tank shells, machine guns and drones. Those casualties are among the 89 Palestinians killed in attacks across the besieged enclave since dawn.

Israeli soldiers fired at the desperate crowds of aid seekers on Tuesday morning as they gathered along the main eastern road in the southern city of Khan Younis. It was the latest in a sustained wave of carnage since the Israel- and United States-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) launched operations to distribute food in the territory three weeks ago.

At least 43 people have been killed in various Israeli attacks since dawn as the military relentlessly pounds the besieged enclave, medical sources say, with the overall Palestinian death toll in the war surpassing a staggering 56,000.

Those killed on Monday include at least 20 aid seekers who lost their lives while desperately trying to access food for their families at distribution centres run by the controversial United States- and Israel-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF), which the United Nations has condemned for its “weaponisation” of aid.

The war between Iran and Israel came to an END. But what would happen to these people in Gaza?

Just 12 minutes ago

Israeli attack kills at least 24 Palestinians seeking food aid in Gaza
At least 24 Palestinians desperately seeking food aid amid widespread hunger in Gaza have been killed in an Israeli attack in the besieged territory’s central area, according to Al Jazeera’s fact-checking unit Sanad.

According to the report, the victims were killed while waiting for food at Salah al-Din Street just south of Wadi Gaza in the centre of the Strip.

Footage obtained by Sanad showed the bodies of the victims piling up at Gaza’s Nasser Medical Complex and Al Awda Hospital in Gaza.

Israeli attacks on Palestinians near aid centres have killed more than 400 people and wounded about 1,000 since the Israeli and US-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation began aid distribution on May 27.

Because to the leaders it is a game of math.

1300 killed in oct attack

jews 20-30 million

muslims 1.8 billion

between 60 to 90 to 1 advantage Muslims

So  Muslim attack planner for Oct thinks
If I kill 1300 jews and they fail to kill  78,000 to 117,000 muslims eventually we will drive them out as they run out of people.

Jewish leaders do the math we need to whack 78,000 to 117,000 of them maybe even 120,000 for good measure.

So we are up to about 56,000 killed for revenge thus in the eyes of the jews they have not killed enough and in the eyes of the Muslim attackers we are still winning.


The world media fails everyone because they do not point out the math I am pointing out.


Now does this mean I side with either group no .

What it does mean is this is what the leaders of the groups think.

And people simply ignore the math above.

It is sad to see all this death.