আই গেস, দুই কারনেই মারা খাইছি। এজন্য আপাতত এসব থেকে নিজেকে দূ্রে রাখছি। সুযোগ বুঝে শর্ট ট্রেড মারার ট্রাই করি, হালকা কিছু লাভ করে বের হয়ে যাই। অতি লোভে তাতি নষ্ট!

পোস্টটি পড়লাম, কিছুটা বুঝলাম আবার বুঝলামননা। কাইন্ডলি যদি সময় থাকে তাহলে একটু ডিটেইলে বুঝায় দিতে পারবেন? আমার আবার ব্রেন দেরিতে কাজ করে!


দুই দিন আগেও মেইবি ফুল মেম্বার দেখছি এদের। এখন চোঁখ বন্ধ করে খুলি আর এক এক জন সিনিয়র, অনেকে অলমোস্ট হিরো হবার পথে। আর মেরিট এক্সচেঞ্জর কথা যদি বলি মাশাআল্লাহ ঘুরে ফিরে কমন গ্রুপের মধ্যেই চলমান। এরা WO, buy hold dip এমন থ্রেড থেকে মেরিট কালেক্ট করে আর প্রতিবেশির মাঝে বিরতন করে লল। আমি ৪-৫ দিন আগেও "ঠাডা দেবতা"রে এই বিষয়ে মেসেজ করছিলাম। পাত্তাই দিলোনা আমারে। এখন রেপুতে সবগুলোরে একটা একটা করে ধরবে, আর কান্দাইবে। লামাও!

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এই বিষয়টা নিয়ে কথা বলতেও আনইজি লাগে বাট আপনাদের কারোর কি চুলকারির সমস্যা হইছে করোনার টিকা দেয়ার পর? আমি কেন যে বালডা দিলাম। আমার এতোদিন কিছুই ছিলোনা। হঠাৎ করে এতো চুলকানি শুরু হইছে যে সারা শরীরে চুলকাইতে চুলকাইতে চামড়া মাংস উঠায় ফেলছি।

You have a point here. Trustpilot initially did collaborate with the 1x group scammers for a certain period but started going after them later on thanks to growing criticism of their support for such platforms.

This new site should list them all for the reasons that you specified, though they hopefully shouldn't go down Trustpilot's route thanks to financial incentives.

It's precisely due to the potential of winning 100x or 50,000x your bet that slot games are so attractive to gamblers and they run towards them. But most players lose and only a small number of them win. The casino games you mentioned and some others provide players with greater winning chances, but because they can't win as much they aren't as popular.

Yeah, we're working hard everyday to make BitWinz a great site to play on. We have plans to add more proprietary games and maybe in the future add slot providers. We'll see how things progress!

Thank you for your continuous feedback!

You think you are over smart? Casino has already given you sufficient reasons for banning. You want casino to post proof of your IP logs and access browsers publicly or send it to you via PM, lol. You can always check your IPs on your own. No reputed casino will do that.
Keep in mind I never ever ban anyone just based on hand history which is quite passive between you and your connected account at the final table yesterday. I never banned anyone of your account from the telegram group because even if there is a 0.0001% chance, I don't want you to deny that, may be a story like we all live in a same building, relative etc. 

I want you to read some other words which are on point,



Good luck with your new accounts (or already create accounts which are still to be surfaced)  .
 
   

I always play pair, where is my proof? I know they didn’t have any proof.

শুধু ক্যাম্পেইন না বিভিন্ন ইভেন্ট গুলো কেও এক্সপ্লোয়েট করা হচ্ছে। দেখে খুব খারাপ লাগলো প্রশ্ন যখন আসে টাকার  আমরা বাঙালিরাই  কোনো না কোনো কান্ড করে বসে থাকি। আমি পোকার কমিউনিটি তে ২/৩ মাস যাবত এক্টিভ। এক বাঙালি ভাই এর সাথে রেগুলার কথা হতো,  অনেক ভালো গেইম খেলতো সে। আজ দেখলাম ৩জন কে মাল্টিপল এবিউস এর জন্য ধরেছে আর কত বড় কো ইন্সিডেন্ট যে ৩জন ই বাঙালি🥲। যদিও পুরো ঘটনার সত্যি মিথ্যা প্রোপারলি জানি না, তবুও একিউজেশন তো বাঙালির উপরেই পরেছে৷  এইভাবে কয়দিন পর পর হাইলাইট হতে হতে এমন অবস্থা হয়েছে যে কেও কোনো অকাম করলেই সবার আগে মনে হয় বাঙালি নয় তো।

Honestly, I actually started with slot games because, for me, those were the easiest games to play when I was just beginning, and even without much knowledge,
if I got lucky, I could really win a large amount though that hasn't happened to me yet.

But now, my interest in playing slot games has lessened because I'm now hooked on sports betting. I feel more confident about having frequent chances to win.
Even if the winnings aren't huge, it's okay, at least there's a winning.

I wasn't expecting such good comments from so many people.
I can't thank you enough, whether I become a source or not, I'm very happy to be here, surrounded by good forum users, who are also good quality posters.
Again! Thank you all!



I've had the opportunity and the luck to be selected by great campaign managers like @Hhampuz and @icopress.
The reason I'm not wearing a signature right now, is because of some taxation stuff I need to sort out.
I'm not against signatures and I definitely need money, especially when we're talking about hard money like bitcoin.
This is strange though, because I'm also not in favour of signatures as well
Like everything, signatures have both positive and negative impact on the forum.
I became a member when signatures were already a thing, so I don't know how things used to be before the signatures.
To conclude, if a user loves bitcoin and loves the forum, signature can be irrelevant, or better say that it can only act as a bonus

Let's not discuss signatures here, I just wanted to explain myself clearly.

It's been long I showed interest in reputation :-D

I noticed him (Satofan44) from the red feedback he left on my trust page which interested me to check his sent feedback history. To my surprise it seems I am not alone but there are a lot of respected members are in his negative list. Upgrade00, BADecker, dkbit98, Shishir99, alani123, zasad@, Wind_FURY are some common name everyone knows. Here we have the whole list and his feedback.





One thing is sure that this user has good understanding with JG. Anyway, let me know your thoughts about the user. The feedback he left to users don't matter unless he has a change of being in the DT list though but my concern is what chances does he have to be in your Trust list if you have one (now or in the future)?

With a ~ or without a ~?

Definitely another account bought for its avatar. They know the Stake campaign has no standards and are hoping to get more than the price they paid for the account from participating in the campaign. The new owner immediately went for trust farming and was somewhat successful.

Let's say we're wrong: well, the account was still busted for cheating campaigns years back. Is this really the type of account you'd want to hire for your campaign, knowing full well it has a history of cheating? Only in the world of Stake would this be considered acceptable behavior.

To make things simpler I am tagging the account based its old feedback.

I did not make any connection between accounts going back a decade. If that is he case, it is something extraordinary. Blockchain evidence is one thing but many of the accounts that are tagged are noticed because of merit abuse and/or writing styles. It is relatively easy to spot prolific account farms based on the manner they write but asking the community to accept it is different matter altogether.

I read the post you referred to regarding the farmed account last night. It would be safe to conclude it was a farmed account by the way the post was constructed and also the rank of the author. There are many out there.

I suppose that could be a new tactic for the puppeteers and account farmers. Why would they want to add another account on a local board that already has been brought under a spotlight for having too many engaged in merit abuse and pizza competitions? They could pretend to be from other countries and try to rank up that way, for them at least it creates a different avenue for reaching their ultimate goal of joining campaigns.

I'd even speculate that some accounts from this farm are so knowledgeable about which local sections they can rank in by posting with Google Translate and pretending to be citizens of different countries. I've seen such accounts in the Italian section, and users have also complained about incorrect translations from the local German and Arabic sections. Wherever there are generous sources of merit, there are fake representatives of these locales. The Nigerian section also posts in English; is it really that hard to pretend to be Nigerian?
Look at this account. https://ninjastic.space/user/Jaksonhard

It also posts in Arabic,

claims to be Nigerian,

but also actively discusses cricket.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102095.msg65813083#msg65813083

And ironically, of course, it participates in a pizza contest.


There's no need to even mention why he actively writes in El Salvador threads.

I had no idea there was collusion between members from other countries, that would specifically be merit abuse you allude to. I will take a look to figure out connections and how deep they might be running.

If you have suspicions of at least ten accounts in a farm, it might be a good idea to keep an eye on them because if/when they make an error you can tag them and bring it to the Reputation board for others to tag them too.

With the price of Bitcoin extremely high, it makes it an attractive proposition for those wanting to acquire some therefore there will be increase in nefarious activity. As you stated, they might be getting better at learning to evade being caught but that does not mean they do not exist.

As for the Just Common account, he has ignored my request to post here in this thread and instead is posting elsewhere to continue trying to increase rank and hope to join a campaign.

What you have guessed is completely wrong. I have reviewed the screenshot carefully and then posted it here. I was doing some personal work from Nigeria by connecting to the VPN of the Indian server. And while searching on the BitcoinTalk forum with the VPN turned on, maybe Google is automatically showing the translation in Bengali, assuming that it is from that Indian server network.

Your accidental 80x never happened either, just like my "mistake" from a couple of years ago that caused a certain amount of bonus funzies based on my coincidentally being in the right place (a seemingly illiquid exchange) at the right time.


If you had not realized, bots are challenged when it comes to jokes.


If you had not noticed, in bitcoin, surprise price moves can happen to the upside or to the downside.


I am not suggesting that suicide is the right answer, yet sometimes the level of debt could be quite insurmountable, when folks are using leverage they get wiped out and then perhaps they even keep trying to bet it and they get wiped out several times... Guys here have probably gone through some version of loss and/or extreme loss, and maybe they could recognize if one or two other things would have had happened, they would have had been in even a worse situation.. so in that regard, sometimes there can be some paths forward.


In my very early years of bitcoin, there was one or two times, that I sold some bitcoin with the expectation of buying it back cheaper, and even though it should not be any kind of BIG deal, those were actually the most stressful times for me, so largely I stopped doing it.  I concluded that there is no reason to sell bitcoin with an expectation of buying back lower.

At the same time, there are folks who lean towards being able to sleep better in cash and others who sleep better in bitcoin.  Of course, there is a balance in regards to how much in bitcoin and how much in cash, and those who are newer to bitcoin might find it more challenging to get used to being able to sleep by having a certain amount of their value in bitcoin (and being able to "let it ride.").


Your description was better, though.


I think that various aspects of the degeneracy have been happening on the regular Binance, and not on BinanceUS.. even though they are connected, regular Binance has more products - and also over the years, there have been decent amounts of attacks on Binance - including that matters around the FTX fiascos were framed as if Binance had caused and/or contributed to those fiascos, and the story is far from clear in regards to the various overlaps. Many of us likely realize that since around the time of CZ's incarceration, there were agreements that would allow more US government (whether dark government of not) to place its tentacles within various aspects of the Binance apparatus .. so that Binance would not necessarily seem as much of a threat as some of the various decentralized exchanges that are currently in the space and suffered quite a bit in the October 10 crashening.

A couple of days ago Laura Shin interviewed a guy named Diogenes Casares, and he had a lot of decent insight regarding some of the craziness of the October 10 crashening.

Anyone who has control of vast amounts of crypto is going to be a target, even more so as the price creeps upwards and unless he did something particularly foolish with it - I wonder why he felt there was no reason to live. I know nothing about his circumstances or whether he was successful, but trading can be an extremely dangerous area so it's possible that he lost all his money. Anyone who can create a Binance account can call themselves a trader, so lets not act like it is some special skill to spend money on that activity, there will be very few people who are able to pull it off successfully and consistently. In this case there is no reason to think foul play was involved, unless someone can say that he had lots of crypto that has since disappeared.

It's a good read. I will stay off binance.us for the time being.

There were many in the last cycle. People tend to forget.


It is not gonna happen now maybe in a few years, they still have different ways of preventing this. Interest rates are coming down too. There is also a very good theory that this massive crash was an orchestrated attack btw.

https://www.cryptopolitan.com/hackers-used-binance-to-crash-crypto-market/


Don't play with dangerous tools and you will be fine.

খুব সম্ভবত আপনি স্কামারের নাম্বারটির কল যেহুতু ধরেছেন, তাই স্কামার কিংবা স্প্যাম নাম্বারের লিস্টে হইতো আপনার নাম্বারটিকেও এন্ডরয়েড সিস্টেম থেকে স্প্যাম নাম্বার হিসাবে লিস্ট করেছে। কেননা এন্ডরয়েড সিস্টেম একটি থার্ড পার্টি কিংবা নির্দিষ্ট ডাটাবেস ব্যাবহার করে, ব্যাবহারকারীকে স্প্যাম নাম্বার সম্পর্কে অবহিত করে থাকে।

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ওমন সবাই করছে এবং অনেকে গত ২ মাসের প্রোজেক্টগুলো থেকে ভালো এয়ারড্রপ পেয়েছে যেমনটা বললাম Perp dex narrative এর জন্য এবং ওমন প্রোজেক্টগুলো লিস্ট হওয়ার কারণে। যাইহোক ভালো প্রোজেক্ট লিস্ট হইলে এয়ারড্রপ ভালো পাবেন, নইলে ওমন একটা ভালো এয়ারড্রপের আশা করা যাবে নাহ।

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টেকনিক্যালি এমন অনেক পরিকল্পনা আমিও করি, কিন্তু প্রোজেক্ট কিংবা মার্কেট পরিকল্পনার বারটা বাজাই দেয়। যাইহোক আবারও শুভকামনা সকলের জন্য যারা Binance Alpha এর চেষ্টা করতেছেন।

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নাহ, launchpool তো আলাদা । Binance Alpha এর জনপ্রিয়তার পর ওমন এয়ারড্রপও কিছু দিয়েছে, আমি যদি ভুল নাহ হয়ে থাকি। যাইহোক আমি বিষয়টা দেখেই জানাবো পরবর্তীতে।

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আপনার পরিস্থিতি এবং ওনার পরিস্থিতিটা সম্পূর্ণ ভিন্ন। কারণ আপনি ক্র্যাক সফটওয়্যার ডাউনলোড করেছিলেন যেগুলোতে malware আগে থেকে থাকে এবং আপনি যখনে ওই ক্র্যাক সফটওয়্যার ইন্সটল করবেন। মেলওয়ারটা প্রথমে আপনার সিস্টেমের anti-malware কে বন্ধ করে আর আপনার সিস্টেম থেকে সব তথ্য নিয়ে নেয়।

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এটা পুরাতন খবর , কেননা এই ঘটনাটা মার্কেট ক্রাশের দিনে হয়েছে বলা যায় এবং আমি এটি আগের পোস্টেই আপনাদের সাথে শেয়ার করেছিলাম।

Some members or traders are not visiting the beginners and help sections, so I support the thread, but I respect other members' opinions if they think it should be locked.

On the discussion, if this is a suicide, I'm surprised that he would commit this terrible act based on the article


He should understand the market movement, as this is not something new, and the community has seen this before; it's not the end of the market, it will eventually recover. We should just be patient. I guess this needs a deep investigation, as there are other causes that lead to his action.

At the point he felt depressed and he was telling members of his family, they would have swinged into action to call him to order and give him some counsel and encouragement to calm him down, knowing fully well that his finances was affected due to the market crash. I think it was that tip off he told his family about him being depressed was how the police came to the conclusion that it was suicide the young man committed. He should have been familiar with the ups and downs of the market, the move he took was too extremely, he could still be alive and recover those money, hence there is life, there is hope.

আসলে ভাই কেউ সহজে আত্নহত্যা করতে চায় না, কিন্তু হয়তো এমন পরিস্থিতির শিকার হয় তখন তাদের আত্নহত্যা করা ছাড়া কোন উপায় থাকে না। আমরা জানি আত্নহত্যা মহাপাপ, যা আল্লাহ মাফ করবে না।

হয়তো তিনি এমন মুদ্রায় বিনিয়োগ করেছিলো যা বিশাল ডাম্পিং হয়েছিলো, যার কারনে কোন উপায় না পেয়ে নিজেকে শেষ করে দিয়েছে। তাই ক্রিপ্টো ঝুকিপূর্ণ সম্পদ, তাই এখানে হারানোর সামর্থ্যর চেয়ে বেশি অর্থ বিনিয়োগ করা উচিত নয়, হয়তো তিনি তার সম্পদের বড় একটা এমাউন্ট বিনিয়োগ করে ফেলেছিলেন। যাইহোক, তার এই কাজটা করা মোটেও করা উচিত হয় নাই, তিনি অবশ্যই বেচে থাকলে যা হারিয়েছিলো তার চেয়ে বেশি ইনকাম করতে পারতেন। আল্লাহ সবাইকে বোঝার তৌফিক দান করুক, বিষয়টি খুবই দুঃখজনক ছিলো।

যাইহোক, ভাই এই ধরনের নিউজ কিন্তু আমাদের দেশের জন্য খারাপ দিক, কারন আমাদের দেশে এমনেতে ক্রিপ্টো নিষিদ্ধ করে রাখা হয়েছে, তাই যদি তারা এই ধরনের নিউজ দেখতে পায় তাহলে আরও কয়েক ধাপ পিছিয়ে হাটা শুরু করবে।

I see that you've make your new thread instead. So... please lock the other one on top of marking it as resolved. The button to lock a thread is at the bottom left of that thread.

I'll look into the details of your situation and reach my contact later, I have to get ready for IRL. Please wait a little


That was other person, lol. I believe you're mistaken this one with this one.

Maybe he is actually from Nigeria and just chose Bangladesh serer on his VPN, therefore having Bengali on that screenshot. 

Joke aside, he is obviosuly a merit farmer, but not a very good one since he didn't manage to farm a lot of merit before being exposed.

I believe, for normal browsing TOR isn't the best choice. Because I do need my previous search history to search for relevant information when I visit the next time. But with TOR, I won't be able do achieve that. As you already know I use TOR, but for causal works, regular surfing I have been using Chrome, Mises, Firefox.

I would rather use an adblocker and be done with the sponsored ads.

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He probably knew that Nigerian local is one of the most active locals and it has tons of active users. So it would be the perfect ground to fish for merit!
Lastly whenever I'm seeing something like this, I can definitely tell that its an alt account.

Hey Shishir99, thank you so much for the positive comments! We've worked very hard on this project and look forward to growing our community 

We want to be unique and grow our own brand so we probably won't peruse buying the now defunct PrimeDice domain. 

Rain had some minor bugs but we are fixing those bugs and will re-enable it very soon! 

We aren't opposed to 3rd party slot providers but for now we need to grow a little. I think all 3rd party slot providers would laugh at us if we requested partnership with any of them. 

Have a great day!

P.S. If you want 15 tokens (1,500/sats) @admin in our chat and I will hook you up!

Well now as you said it, yes I do think so. Casino offered 75k locked under 100x wager requirement, if you think its them "offering what they had to offer", you either didn't read the thread or are stupid indeed. Please refrain from posting further useless comments.


In the cases before, the fines paid by casinos that were operating ilegally were used to reimburse the affected people. Additionally, if it helps even one more person to avoid dealing with this Im more than happy. Winna.com is now blocked and unreachable from any ISP provider in Lithuania, but it is just the first steps that we are taking.

When trying to deal in a friendly manner with Winna, I had offered them a 50/50 split. However, instead of friendly negotiations, I was asked to do a kyc and then threatened to sue if I go public, therefore we will have to do this the hard way and I will go for a full reimbursement+legal fees.


Sad to hear this, I do recommend not listening to people here and instead seeking legal help, as the amount is significant enough, and we do start to see a pattern with Winna here. I have personally received messages from other people in the same boat as well.

It doesn't even matter if the maintenance was real or not at the end, it is not an excuse to return my withdrawals back to balance. Cool off period doesn't make sense with 0 balance and pending withdrawals (that were already confirmed). And I'm not even sure how to react to you saying that them "operating illegally" (which was already confirmed) is non substantial or relevant - this alone has ground for a legal battle, and as history shows multiple casinos had to reimburse/pay fines because of just that - a quick google search will prove this if you don't believe my word.

As per once again being attacked on my gambling habits, I will repeat for the last time, my accusations do not include the money that was lost when withdrawals were cancelled by me, I do take responsibility for my actions.



Not sure what kind of "risk-free" gambling attempt do you see here, have you even read the accusation and proofs? Your comments make no sense at all, we are talking about multiple serious violations on casino side that have been proved, even them *partly* agreeing that they were at fault, and still I'm considered at blame for trying to gamble "risk-free"? Read my previous comments, I had no control over these declined withdrawals.

Perhaps some people can never get enough, no matter what.

I know that you don't completely agree with the idea of luck, yet as long as we are not dead (or perhaps if we have (or had) at least a 4 year investment horizon when we got started), we are so damned fortunate to have had come across bitcoin and come to the realization that it was a place in which we could put value, and yeah, we did not know for sure that it was going to go up, but we considered it as a potentially promising place.

There are so many folks who either don't hear about bitcoin or if they hear about it, they do not recognize and appreciate it as an opportunity, which continues to be true to this day.

Some of us who have been in bitcoin for a while start to believe that the bitcoin trade is obvious, even if it may well be obvious to some of us, since even if there were advantages in being aggressive in our investments, those folks who were moderate and/or even conservative in their bitcoin investment, were still able to profit quite extensively, as long as they stayed somewhat consistent in their buying of bitcoin and erroring on the side of buying and HODLing it.

Sure, there are some guys who have been in bitcoin more than 6 years and still have costs in the $30ks to $50ks, so they might ONLY have 2.5x to 4x profits in their bitcoin holdings, yet there are quite a few of us who have costs per BTC that are quite a bit below $30k, even below $10k per BTC - which surely should have had allowed us to offset the debasement of the dollar and various other fiat currencies.

I suppose some of us have figured out various ways to maintain cashflow in our lives so that we don't feel any urgency to be cashing out much if any of our BTC, and I don't have any problem if guys want to make somewhat radical upgrades to their lifestyle - yet at the same time, it is probably healthier to try to figure out ways to gradually upgrade your lifestyle rather than radically upgrading, even if you are able to radically upgrade.  Not everyone is going to agree with my viewpoint, that is for sure, and surely various aspects of a person's situation - even their age, might cause them to shoot for high aspirations that may well be contributing to extra stresses that may well not be necessary... but hey, to each their own.

Lucky I feel.. .


It is problematic to be playing with leverage, even though surely, there are guys, even in these here parts, who choose to use leverage of some sort or another in their ways of dealing with bitcoin... and sometimes even more leverage than they can handle financially and/or psychologically.. and therefore, small dips can sometimes end up with fairly high magnifying effects.

Historically, it seems that we had much more volatility and even emotions. I recall a lot of time that "stay calm" used to be quite a common theme in these here parts.




Hopefully.  You are still in a good place, even if it is taking you a long time to figure out that the key to bitcoin is to keep stacking until you reach some acceptable version of overaccumulation status.  There are surely a lot of guys who prematurely conclude that they have reached overaccumulation status based on concerns that the prices are continuing to go up... Yet, part of our recognition should still be that so many normies still don't know what the fuck bitcoin is, even though some of them think that they do based on their having had heard the word, "bitcoin."


You are reading me (my post) wrong.  I was merely trying to suggest that some guys can ONLY invest from their income since they either do not have anything saved (and/or they do not have liquid places in which they could draw upon to invest in bitcoin), so they can only invest from their income as their income comes in.. .. and they might not even be able to draw from their income in advance because they either have bad credit, no collateral and/or insufficient credibility in terms of their ongoing income continuing to come in (not that I consider borrowing against your future income to be a good idea, especially for people who are already with questionable credit worthiness or questionable future cashflow and/or back up ways to pay the loan in case the investment goes to zero or does not adequately perform). 


You are in the best position to judge any places in which you are able to increase your income and/or cut your expenses, and so surely it is good that you have figured out various ways to earn bitcoin and to transact with bitcoin, and so that puts you at a certain advantage over folks who still have not yet learn those kinds of aspects of bitcoin.

You likely have had a bit of a problematic mentality when it comes to bitcoin, in terms of your inclinations to spend it without replacing it, and sure, I understand if some of your income is coming from bitcoin, there may well be times in which your various basic expenses exceed your income, so you have to figure out from some places in which to draw from various resources that you have in order to cover the various basic expenses, which is part of the reason that guys will keep various back up funds so that they have cash cushions to cover their expenses when things are not going well or maybe even in times that they might have made some mistakes in their calculating of their income versus their expenses. 

No one can really tell you how to manage your funds and/or how much to emphasize accumulating bitcoin, since level of aggressiveness (or priorities) and/or levels of whimpiness are within your own choices including your putting some efforts in to identifying the value of bitcoin as an asset and/or as a vehicle to both present and future empowerment (empowerment with the potential of having of more options).


A so far 13% correction is hardly anything to pay attention to, and sure guys are in different phases of their bitcoin investment journey, and so you have to figure out where you are on the spectrum of accumulation, maintenance, liquidation or some combination of those and perhaps some priority to one or another depending.. and guys who are in their earliest years into bitcoin will be at various stages of accumulation, so as their bitcoin stash grows they may well find themselves to start to transition into some aspect of the next stage up, yet it still can take guys well over 10 years to get through their accumulation stage, especially if they are building their bitcoin ONLY from their income and they don't have other places in which they can reallocate into bitcoin or other ways to front load their bitcoin without engaging in unnecessary risks. 

Maybe I am a bit too conservative, sometimes, yet it seems to me that there are ways to invest that are mostly focused on building and not taking too many chances of a lot of things potentially going wrong and/or devolving into trading and/or gambling rather than investing.  There are a lot of guys who seem to mix up trading and investing, and sure there are ways in which trading/investing overlap, yet at the same time, some guys seem to wrongly conclude that with bitcoin they need to transition between buying and selling their bitcoin in order to hopefully build their bitcoin stash in a more rapid way... yet frequently trying to rush an investment (like bitcoin) might either contribute to opposite results or even hinder the building process in unnecessary ways.

It seems that you might need to just ongoingly focus on building your bitcoin, and if you sell any bitcoin that you have, then spend and replace them in a fairly short period of time, yet you likely have to rethink what targets you are trying to reach..  so for example, if your current income is $20k to $30k, yet you were shooting for something like a $40k per year income that could be completely supported by bitcoin, then from my point of view, right now you would need right around 7.455 BTC or more to reach that threshold of being able to perpetually draw $40k per year and with a 7% per year optional income increase.

Even if you currently do not have 7.455 BTC, and maybe you ONLY have 1.5 BTC (which it seems that you don't even have that much, even though you have been in registered on this forum since early 2017)... but let's say that you were to either have 1.5 BTC or able to accumulate that amount by 2031, then perhaps by 2031, 1.5 BTC would be enough to support a perpetual income of $40k per year with 7% annual increases.

Of course, projections of future prices are not guaranteed, yet it still can be helpful to have some ballpark ideas about where we are at (how did we get here should be more concrete) and where we think that we might be able to go. None of this is guaranteed.  We do our best based on our circumstances as they are and what we realistically might consider to be within our capabilities, and sometimes we will end up in a better situation than we had expected ourselves to be, which has been the case with quite a few folks who have been in bitcoin for a long time and who have stayed focused on accumulating and mostly holding their bitcoin.

besides the selective scams, it can get really ugly for both the users and the merchants.
if i remember correctly, there was a case in turkey where they arrested a bunch of people and the CEO of one of the biggest online payment platforms there for facilitating illegal gambling operations and payments.
i think they were using thousands of regular people accounts without their knowledge to move all the money around, it was a huge case.

you can't make this shit up, right as we are talking about it, it happened to someone (again).

It used to open in a new tab by default, but @LoyceV evangelized me on the art of "let the user decide".

Same tab = just click
New tab = middle mouse button OR ctrl + click
New window = shift + click

And I think I agree with him.