Yeah i just receive them, i was thinking of buying me a Ferrari but i fall short


I think maybe some highrollers and people who knows how to make the money go around in a casino wagering in diferent slots can made a good amount of tokens since they only counted the ammount you spend. Since i mostly bet on sportbook im not among that kind of users.

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About your bet arall..... what can i say what a bad luck you have in that first one. I also lose a bet by one selection. But today is a new day.

The odds might vary, they’ll be slightly higher for a (0) handicap, but I see what you mean. It seems not all casinos operate the same way, some offer a wider range of markets, and the odds for the exact same match and outcome can differ, though I rarely choose a casino based on the odds.

tagging potential players. More info here.

A lot of you still need to submit. I know what you're waiting for but do mind the deadlines.
Usually always a few people forget in the first few rounds after the break.

Consider this as last tag:



It's Round 1, we don't want to scare the new guys immediately

hi 👋 Airdrop info is here 👉 https://jackpotter.com/jpt-coin

Today is TGE on Uniswap v4, and tomorrow, 09/09/2026 at 11:00 UTC, the first Season Airdrop will take place. The amount will be distributed proportionally based on how much you've wagered on Jackpotter up until the end of today.

Thanks for pointing that out. The wording is a bit unclear. We’ll edit it to clearly state that, in the worst-case scenario, the user will receive their funds back

They were an active and very reliable platform when sujonali was their campaign manager. As far as I knew, he was working with them as well. It looks like the management team has changed along with the transition they had. I am not sure if sujonali still works with them. I don't see him in the forum anymore. Even if he does not handle the campaign management service anymore, he could still participate in the forum. But I don't remember seeing him around for a while now. I see another scam accusation thread was bumped today, but I did not check that thread yet. It is good to see that OP received an email from them confirming the issue was resolved. OP should change the thread title as another member suggested and lock the thread once he receive his withdrawal.

Had a nice freebet after a while but instead of using it wisely I got a bit impatient and put it on Celta Vigo who I thought must surely beat Getafe.

To be fair, they were down to 10 men and fell behind so actually won a point from sure defeat.

They say that such is life in gambling Good job @hosemary!!

Yep thats exactly what i am saying

Here its mentioned- https://jackpotter.com/jpt-coin

More details should be released tomorrow

Courtesy tag for those who love free bets

Courtesy tag for those who love free bets

Courtesy tag for those who love free bets

Blackjack.fun had its signature campaign that was run several times and totally run many weeks.
blackjack.fun account has good reputation till now, all trust feedbacks are green.

The account made a last post for announcement of rebranding to Rollhub.com and very last posts in that thread discussed mainly about the BJF token, nothing else about reputation of the casino.

About Rollhub, there is another accusation months ago.
Rollhub (ex Blackjack.fun) refusing to pay the full winnings. The answer from Rollhub Laura.

Yeah, I know Blackjack.fun has an announcement thread, but I was talking more about an announcement thread that has a "Rollhub" name on it. But then again, after looking at Blackjack.fun's thread, they did announce there about their rebranding.

Maybe give it a few more days. From what I've seen over the years, when a casino says something like "shortly" or something similar to that, it could still take a day or more.

I'm not going to comment on the rest of what you say, because you make valid observations.

However the narcissist label doesn't seem to fit here. There may be a word for it under psychological categorizations, but he doesn't fit that profile - at least not in any conversations I've seen or public postings here. You'll find the odd exceptions in almost any post history where people lash out. His first private response was in fact asking us to remove any positive trust from him and there was no ounce of a guilt trip to go with it. That doesn't show grandiose behavior, seeking validation, lack of empathy or a sense of entitlement which is the definition. It's also directly at odds with the concept of being a shy, polite and unremarkable person. In the first example you gave, you might call it manipulative behavior but in this volatile time people are going to get their emotions twisted which might lead to saying something like that when they're feeling hurt, but it's not like you could revoke a merit anyway. On your last point he's asking people not to post and not to avoid looking as you state. It indicates a perceived a waste of time trying to fight this any longer (whatever the reasons may be). Like I said, I agree with most of what you've said, but some of these jabs felt unnecessary.

Not gonna lie, the last few days didn't really go as planned. Hopefully we're putting all of this behind us now and are ready to kickstart the new season.
We're all still a bit bruised so we're not starting in fantastic spirits, BSFL will do its thing though so it will return to normal once the season starts.

Welcome to season 10 of BSFL!

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The questions for Round 1 are here!

The deadline is Tuesday September 8th, 17:00 GMT (forum time).

A lot of football but also some fake football, US open and F1.

Round 1- Scheduling

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Division 1 crowolf vs Saint-loup ralle14 vs icopress jayce vs Renato297 Jinetics1111 vs slaman29 ulven vs Trofo Rikafip vs Spack17 hosemary vs goodpunt darxiaomi vs cryptofrka el che vs vd309	Division 2 leea-1334 vs paco92x mv1986 vs arallmuus HomieAllDay vs Harkorede vivekdkhyani vs VashaUdacha777 strongkored vs Igebotz imarios vs MAAManda buwaytress vs slackovic chi20 vs Hhampuz LTU_btc vs notblox1	Division 3 Ozymandias_DZ vs Smartvirus B1g4udge vs LFC_Bitcoin Ochan_yazo_tochant vs Dittoup hakan2217 vs Kokee44 ajanwalker vs mitchr4 Koal-84 vs Heyshbosh EarnOnVictor vs Nheer General_Bitcoin vs entebah cygan vs russeras	Division 4 Asiska02 vs jeremypwr welovebit vs Rruchi man xLays vs pina_pino un_rank vs BABY SHOES ovcijisir vs Bitcoin Smith Ryu_Ar1 vs Zaguru12 Dump3er vs Daniel91 Bitcoin_Budha vs yassinmanai red4slash vs Da_Silva

A few things I want to address directly.

On the probability numbers: To be transparent, those weren't my calculations, I ran theymos's quoted data through an AI (Claude), giving it the full thread for context plus his specific numbers and asked for a breakdown. Anyone here is welcome to do the exact same thing with any AI agent and see if they get a materially different result. I'm not hiding the methodology.

On the 80% figure: You're right that 80% wouldn't be enough on its own to hang a judgment on. I don't know why theymos landed on that specific number, he has his own reasons and his own bar for what he's comfortable stating publicly. But for me the confidence percentage someone else quotes isn't what matters. What matters is the underlying data which I already laid out.

On what the data actually leaves us with: Given what CLS63 himself has said in this thread, there are only two logical possibilities:

1 - One person is running the farm, CLS63 included, or
2 - Multiple people are involved, but they're sharing the same device/connection

CLS63 has never once claimed that someone else uses his machine or connection. If that were true it would have been the single easiest thing to say to save himself and he hasn't said it. That leaves us with option 1.

On IP addresses, since this keeps getting misunderstood: An IP address is not a fingerprint of a person, it's a fingerprint of a device/connection. That's exactly why in a legal context, IP evidence alone is treated as circumstantial/supportive, not conclusive on its own. It proves where something happened not definitively who did it. In isolation, that would be a fair point.

But that's not where we are. The logs tie CLS63's own account activity to that IP. For the "it's just an IP, not proof of identity" argument to work here, someone else would need to be repeatedly using CLS63's own terminal as ILuckyGuyI and again, he's never claimed that. Without that claim, the "IP isn't identity" defense doesn't actually apply to his situation.

A second opinion: I ran this by two coworkers of mine, both security analysts. They independently reached the same conclusion. One made a joke that stuck with me, given that this specific subnet averages roughly 1 distinct user per address, CLS63 not being the other accounts is about as likely as El Bohemio winning the Copa Libertadores. Not literally impossible, Bohemio could in theory string together the run of a lifetime. But nobody serious would bet on it or treat it as a live possibility. If it helps translate the joke for people less into South American football, replace Bohemio with Rudes and Libertadores with the Champions League. Same idea, technically not zero, realistically not happening.

On the "he's a nice, shy guy in real life" point: I've spent years working incident response involving malicious actors and part of that job is understanding behavior not just logs. One consistent pattern I've seen at conferences with reformed blackhats, they are often shy, polite, completely unremarkable in person. That's not a defense, it's often how people get away with things for years. I'm not saying this proves anything, but "he's nice and shy in person" carries far less weight than people assume.

On the communication pattern: I've also paid attention to how CLS63 has responded throughout this, not just what he's said, and to me it reads as narcissistic manipulation, not just stress.
In the BSFL Telegram group, responding to hosemary mostly laying out facts and doubts, what he reacted to wasn't his argument, it was that he'd given theymos a merit for his findings, along the lines of "I agree with you but I didn't appreciate you giving theymos a merit". That's punishing someone for acknowledging evidence, not engaging with it.
He also asked whether he could still play in RTG if he resigned from BSFL. If you're innocent, you fight to clear your name where the accusation actually is, you don't quietly secure an exit elsewhere. And since Spack17's connection to him was never conclusively ruled out either way, it's fair to at least wonder whether "resigning from BSFL" is really a sacrifice, if there's already another team of his sitting in that competition we haven't identified.
At another point he said something like "if you guys love me, please don't post anymore in the reputation thread", asking people to stop looking, not offering more to look at. That's loyalty pressure, not confidence in the facts.
A few examples off the top of my head, there are more if people go through the group.

To cryptofrka and Trofo specifically: I don't blame either of you for any of this and I want that to be clear. These things happen and there's no way to know until you know, nobody here is going to hold that against you. What happens going forward, now that the facts have been presented, is what will actually show the real value of each member and the integrity of these contests moving forward. That's on all of us now, not on you for what you couldn't have seen coming.

I have nothing against the gambling community, quite the opposite, I genuinely appreciate the work that's gone into these contests over the years. This isn't personal and it isn't easy for me either. I've spent a good chunk of my Sunday writing this instead of spending that time with my kids, and honestly I hate that I've had to make that trade off over something like this. But someone who is genuinely wrongfully accused typically goes out of their way to prove it, digging up whatever evidence they can, proactively. What we've gotten instead has mostly been reactive, after the fact explanations each time a new piece of evidence surfaces and always asking for more proofs, while never offering anything upfront to actually clear his name. But at some point, the absence of any real defense becomes its own answer.

Update:
DT 1
     1. 203: HostFat (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (0) 311 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. 11425: gmaxwell (Trust: +13 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (19) 10471 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. 24140: qwk (Trust: +15 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (12) 2549 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. 33156: vapourminer (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 5767 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. 51173: mprep (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (20) 1768 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. 64507: philipma1957 (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (20) 11429 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. 65636: babo (Trust: +15 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 4798 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. 78147: Cyrus (Trust: +22 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (23) 2887 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. 84521: Welsh (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (23) 3668 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. 84866: ibminer (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (13) 2793 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. 85033: d5000 (Trust:  neutral) (DT1! (4) 10092 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. 97582: joker_josue (Trust: +8 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (9) 6918 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. 112493: Pmalek (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 8991 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. 123824: albon (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 2187 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. 137185: jeremypwr (Trust: +57 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (14) 6277 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. 140582: gbianchi (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 2622 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. 140584: EFS (Trust: +12 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 2187 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. 145841: Swordsoffreedom (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 234 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. 158444: hybridsole (Trust: +20 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 513 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. 164749: stompix (Trust:  neutral) (DT1! (14) 6807 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. 164822: hilariousandco (Trust: +26 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (37) 1952 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. 204821: Buchi-88 (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 2390 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. 216582: willi9974 (Trust: +49 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 2990 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. 252510: JayJuanGee (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (23) 13887 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. 257071: NeuroticFish (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 6272 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. 290195: achow101 (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 6817 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. 300014: DaveF (Trust: +34 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (18) 6977 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. 314792: examplens (Trust: +7 / =5 / -0) (DT1! (26) 3920 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. 317618: nutildah (Trust: +20 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (32) 10719 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. 350580: irfan_pak10 (Trust: +14 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (3) 747 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    31. 355846: yahoo62278 (Trust: +40 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (27) 4496 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    32. 364070: bitbollo (Trust: +17 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 4001 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    33. 369212: zazarb (Trust: +27 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 549 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    34. 379147: pooya87 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 11516 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    35. 379487: LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +32 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (24) 12159 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    36. 395806: o_solo_miner (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 540 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    37. 405464: mocacinno (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 4541 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    38. 405482: Real-Duke (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 2937 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    39. 407174: klarki (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 4714 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    40. 487418: The Sceptical Chymist (Trust: +30 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (32) 6372 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    41. 521899: SFR10 (Trust: +16 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 3158 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    42. 533583: Lucius (Trust:  neutral) (DT1! (2) 6740 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    43. 557798: TryNinja (Trust: +12 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (12) 10448 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    44. 754818: holydarkness (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 1415 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    45. 830967: tweetious (Trust: +33 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 459 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    46. 839568: AakZaki (Trust: +8 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (7) 2251 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    47. 889300: giammangiato (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1507 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    48. 901859: buwaytress (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 3962 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    49. 914465: crwth (Trust: +3 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (0) 1367 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    50. 932931: Ale88 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 3716 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    51. 949248: Kryptowerk (Trust: +49 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1329 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    52. 995810: hosemary (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 6998 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    53. 1016855: JollyGood (Trust: +18 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (22) 2037 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    54. 1045971: igebotz (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (12) 2345 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    55. 1051955: roycilik (Trust: +11 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (2) 1908 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    56. 1052091: CryptopreneurBrainboss (Trust: +18 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 5156 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    57. 1059082: hugeblack (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 4672 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    58. 1097370: KTChampions (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 2366 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    59. 1099980: Trofo (Trust: +32 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (14) 3704 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    60. 1137579: icopress (Trust: +88 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (40) 13353 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    61. 1190631: JeromeTash (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (6) 1489 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    62. 1247226: logfiles (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (13) 2391 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    63. 1269497: Bitcoin_Arena (Trust: +2 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (7) 2110 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    64. 1311641: tvplus006 (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (16) 2664 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    65. 1424178: mole0815 (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 3686 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    66. 1554927: bitmover (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 7688 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    67. 1582324: DdmrDdmr (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (22) 11378 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    68. 1634314: shahzadafzal (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 3518 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    69. 1724800: Lakai01 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 4325 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    70. 1825672: morvillz7z (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (14) 2216 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    71. 1827294: Husna QA (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 3528 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    72. 1836948: Bthd (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (4) 2626 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    73. 1852120: fillippone (Trust: +12 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (23) 21352 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    74. 1862043: cryptofrka (Trust: +19 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 3096 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    75. 1878246: abhiseshakana (Trust: +2 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (2) 2618 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    76. 1980983: The Cryptovator (Trust: +20 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (24) 2612 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    77. 1982152: lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +27 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (33) 5829 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    78. 2003859: DireWolfM14 (Trust: +20 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (20) 5820 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    79. 2344286: Little Mouse (Trust: +50 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (9) 3796 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    80. 2363935: YOSHIE (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (22) 1912 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    81. 2477002: inspace (Trust: +4 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (2) 1657 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    82. 2497429: jokers10 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 4186 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    83. 2519096: Awaklara (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 862 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    84. 2652924: geophphreigh (Trust: +33 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1146 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    85. 2654005: zasad@ (Trust: +3 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (8) 5760 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    86. 2658890: Rikafip (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (29) 8260 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    87. 2739424: NotATether (Trust: +8 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (9) 10190 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    88. 2739454: Stalker22 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 1648 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    89. 2744352: bullrun2024bro (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 5395 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    90. 2745549: decodx (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 982 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    91. 2775483: BlackHatCoiner (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 10071 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    92. 2776678: Charles-Tim (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 6506 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    93. 2796662: Lillominato89 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1298 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    94. 2836461: Free Market Capitalist (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (14) 3627 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    95. 3442614: YodasRedRocket (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 651 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    96. 3558380: Mia Chloe (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 2285 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)

DT 2
     1. 3: satoshi (Trust: +41 / =0 / -0) (8880 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. 4: sirius (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (935 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. 35: theymos (Trust: +32 / =0 / -0) (15040 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. 1268: nanotube (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. 2252: laanwj (Trust:  neutral) (50 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. 2676: casascius (Trust: +6 / =0 / -1) (193 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. 2759: midnightmagic (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (27 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. 2786: Pieter Wuille (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (203 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. 3380: Vladimir (Trust:  neutral) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. 3420: dooglus (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (335 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. 4171: Raize (Trust:  neutral) (24 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. 4528: Matt Corallo (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (15 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. 6347: Maged (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (17 Merit earned) (Custom Trust list) (BPIP)

Ordered by season 9

user Posts division cryptofrka 2352 Div 1 Trofo 2154 Div 1 Harkorede 2061 Div 1 slaman29 1027 Div 1 Slissy 750 Div 1 Rikafip 709 Div 1 mv1986 660 Div 1 ralle14 611 Div 1 darxiaomi 499 Div 1 cls63 447 Div 1 hosemary 229 Div 1 strongkored 227 Div 1 Renato297 226 Div 1 jayce 194 Div 1 ulven 80 Div 1 el che 77 Div 1 vd309 64 Div 1 Saint-loup 11 Div 1 arallmuus 1206 Div 2 buwaytress 1025 Div 2 Jinetics1111 988 Div 2 notblox1 986 Div 2 Igebotz 882 Div 2 paco92x 320 Div 2 LTU_btc 276 Div 2 goodpunt 262 Div 2 leea-1334 226 Div 2 MAAManda 142 Div 2 Hhampuz 117 Div 2 VashaUdacha777 113 Div 2 vivekdhyani1 78 Div 2 B1g4udge 39 Div 2 Spack17 36 Div 2 Ozymandias_DZ 15 Div 2 dittoup 12 Div 2 Da_Silva 0 Div 2 slackovic 1824 Div 3 un_rank 541 Div 3 Koal-84 327 Div 3 famososMuertos 313 Div 3 Kokee44 285 Div 3 chi20 231 Div 3 ILuckyGuyI 231 Div 3 LFC_Bitcoin 228 Div 3 cygan 184 Div 3 ajanwalker 156 Div 3 Smartvirus 143 Div 3 mitchr4 103 Div 3 hakan2217 71 Div 3 Ochan_yazo_tochant 33 Div 3 russeras 25 Div 3 HomieAllDay 21 Div 3 yassinmanai 2 Div 3 imarios 1 Div 3 jeremypwr 212 Div 4 ovcijisir 134 Div 4 General_Bitcoin 73 Div 4 Dump3er 71 Div 4 welovebit 65 Div 4 Bitcoin_Budha 48 Div 4 entebah 45 Div 4 Daniel91 40 Div 4 execijutiere 39 Div 4 Bitcoin Smith 37 Div 4 Nheer 30 Div 4 Heyshbosh 29 Div 4 BABY SHOES 22 Div 4 xLays 21 Div 4 pina_pino 12 Div 4 Note3 8 Div 4 EarnOnVictor 5 Div 4 knuckey 1 Div 4 ///////////////////////////////////////////////

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user Posts division cryptofrka 2352 Div 1 Trofo 2154 Div 1 Harkorede 2061 Div 1 slackovic 1824 Div 3 arallmuus 1206 Div 2 slaman29 1027 Div 1 buwaytress 1025 Div 2 Jinetics1111 988 Div 2 notblox1 986 Div 2 Igebotz 882 Div 2 Slissy 750 Div 1 Rikafip 709 Div 1 mv1986 660 Div 1 ralle14 611 Div 1 un_rank 541 Div 3 darxiaomi 499 Div 1 cls63 447 Div 1 Koal-84 327 Div 3 paco92x 320 Div 2 famososMuertos 313 Div 3 Kokee44 285 Div 3 LTU_btc 276 Div 2 goodpunt 262 Div 2 chi20 231 Div 3 ILuckyGuyI 231 Div 3 hosemary 229 Div 1 LFC_Bitcoin 228 Div 3 strongkored 227 Div 1 leea-1334 226 Div 2 Renato297 226 Div 1 jeremypwr 212 Div 4 jayce 194 Div 1 cygan 184 Div 3 ajanwalker 156 Div 3 Smartvirus 143 Div 3 MAAManda 142 Div 2 ovcijisir 134 Div 4 Hhampuz 117 Div 2 VashaUdacha777 113 Div 2 mitchr4 103 Div 3 ulven 80 Div 1 vivekdhyani1 78 Div 2 el che 77 Div 1 General_Bitcoin 73 Div 4 Dump3er 71 Div 4 hakan2217 71 Div 3 welovebit 65 Div 4 vd309 64 Div 1 Bitcoin_Budha 48 Div 4 entebah 45 Div 4 Daniel91 40 Div 4 execijutiere 39 Div 4 B1g4udge 39 Div 2 Bitcoin Smith 37 Div 4 Spack17 36 Div 2 Ochan_yazo_tochant 33 Div 3 Nheer 30 Div 4 Heyshbosh 29 Div 4 russeras 25 Div 3 BABY SHOES 22 Div 4 xLays 21 Div 4 HomieAllDay 21 Div 3 Ozymandias_DZ 15 Div 2 pina_pino 12 Div 4 dittoup 12 Div 2 Saint-loup 11 Div 1 Note3 8 Div 4 EarnOnVictor 5 Div 4 yassinmanai 2 Div 3 knuckey 1 Div 4 imarios 1 Div 3 Da_Silva 0 Div 2 ///////////////////////////////////////////////

This might read like a cliche, but this is one of the threads where I actually like to post. It's different for many reasons; it must even be one of those few threads where you start reading from where your last post was—at least I do—which is a very rare thing on this forum except for my beloved local board.

I'm going to make this post as community-driven as possible, and I don't mean the Bitcointalk community, no, I mean the BSFL, because I've read some things I never thought I'd see around these parts, let alone in this fantastic thread. So, taking advantage of the fact that the waters have calmed down, or at least seem to, I'm only interested in this specific niche topic.
I think many here, as always happens or simply because they do the right thing, say nothing—and I'm not just talking about the hot topic at hand, but about sharing ideas, differences... a post during the season BSFL.

Those tables up there came up because I wondered how many people are going to answer that poll; I suppose the quorum for the consultation didn't even reach half, but I don't care what it was, since the issue was fixed through other means.

Speaking of that, I couldn't care less if there was collusion in this league or not. The reason is very simple: I had trust and, better yet, entertainment. I like the whole business of the questions, the results, etc. I don't have to explain that to the BSFL community, but I do to the Bitcointalk community, which gives context to the idea for outsiders.

Now, you have to wonder what's up with those nicks that never participate. For example, there's Da Silva—now it shows, or at least the information coming from the sportbets group gets updated, but out of nowhere he suddenly wants to sell his spot. OK.

Just in case, here is a thread where him its mentioned:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5438071.msg64927912#msg64927912

What's going on with these accounts showing up out of nowhere, where nobody knows who they are within the community, and now this happens? I didn't care before, but now trust is broken, or at least starting to crack.

Why not purge the whole league and demand that all users belong to the community and have an active participation on the forum? For instance: yassinmanai, imarios... Look, mentioning them is not an accusation of anything, it's just based on participation numbers-post. (Let's suppose we tell them to go to hell, then they appear?   )

Then, with everything that has happened, one has to wonder about those head-to-head matches between these players where penalties were involved (I have no proof of anything here, nor am I saying that anything happened, but remember what they said about trust: it disappears, then you look back at past seasons.)

And what about users who modify their answers to favor or harm others, simply because they're communicating with each other? Well, that's not really an accusation; it's impossible to prove. And fortunately, we're sometimes competing for a couple of dollars, but other times it can be hundreds, and we see that the prizes can be in the thousands.

Someone might say, "Man, what a mess you're stirring up." No, don't put the blame on me; I didn't open that can of worms, nor was I the garbage sitting at the bottom of it. Those might sound like harsh words, but it's just an expression.

Da Silva wants to leave? OK, do your homework: open a Bitcointalk account and that's it. If he doesn't, he should leave the way he came in. As for the other three who are no longer here—and this isn't kicking a man while he's down—we should do the exact same thing that was done with Slissy.

I hope you take this suggestion, or more ideas, into account.
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Team CRO2, if I'm taking the trouble to write this, it's not to bother you more than you already are. I hope the community arrives with the same confidence as always when season 10 starts.

This deserves a tag so we can start the bidding wars

icopress - 5 mBTC - Div1
Nheer - 1 mBTC - Div3

Also, Da_Silva is interested in selling Division 1 club - meaning swapping it for Division 2 or Division 3 club. If any interest, please reach out to him directly @Da_silva20 (he does not have a BTT account).

First, nobody is forcing anyone to read long posts, nor can anyone stop a member from writing detailed posts if they choose to do so. Some of us prefer to be thorough in how we express our thoughts and to each their own. Respecting different perspectives is the foundation of good communication, healthy debate and reaching a fair resolution.

As for those saying they don't want this thread to become "political", that could have easily been avoided if Cro2 hadn't put this to a vote. The moment that post was made, it inherently became political. When the competition managers explicitly ask for the community's perspective, no one can be blamed for expressing a political stance. I hadn't posted anything regarding this subject until Cro2 brought it up in the thread and asked for input.

I agree with almost everything Hosemary said. We share the same outlook for one main reason, we base our decisions on hard facts rather than emotions or friendship. While trust and personal relationships do matter, they cannot be the only factors. We must evaluate the hard evidence presented in the reputation thread alongside CLS's side of the story.

I have spent a significant amount of my own time looking into this to help protect the gambling community and preserve the integrity of the game. That means doing what is right rather than giving someone a pass just because they are a friend. In situations like this, you cannot rely solely on emotion, you have to examine every single angle.

We all want CLS to be innocent, for this matter to be cleared up once and for all, for BSFL to stay clean and for those who rushed to blame us to realize they were wrong. But we have to handle this the right way. My effort in this matter isn't to try to make CLS look guilty, I am putting just as much effort into finding evidence that could exonerate him and prove his innocence. That's what anyone deserves. Whatever findings I gather, I pass along to Cro2 to decide. But even after all my research and analyzing everything provided, I'm still not convinced either way. As Cro2 knows, only theymos has the definitive logs and is the only one who can close this case once and for all.

Season 9 - Archival post

Division 1

•POS•	••Username••••	•PLD•	•W•	•D•	•L•	•SF•	•SA•	•SD•	•PTS•
1	vd309	17	9	4	4	69	61	8	31
2	Rikafip	17	9	3	5	70	58	12	30
3	cls63	17	10	0	7	72	62	10	30
4	cryptofrka	17	9	3	5	70	68	2	30
5	hosemary	17	8	5	4	71	62	9	29
6	jayce	17	8	4	5	61	60	1	28
7	ulven	17	8	3	6	71	65	6	27
8	Saint-loup	17	7	4	6	67	60	7	25
9	ralle14	17	7	4	6	58	63	-5	25
10	slaman29	17	8	0	9	69	66	3	24
11	darxiaomi	17	7	3	7	66	70	-4	24
12	Renato297	17	8	0	9	68	62	6	23
13	Trofo	17	6	5	6	70	66	4	23
14	el che	17	6	5	6	72	69	3	23
15	strongkored	17	6	3	8	57	64	-7	21
16	Harkorede	17	6	2	9	61	65	-4	20
17	mv1986	17	6	2	9	59	56	3	19
18	Slissy	17	0	0	17	0	51	-51	0

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Division 2

•POS•	••Username••••	•PLD•	•W•	•D•	•L•	•SF•	•SA•	•SD•	•PTS•
1	Jinetics1111	17	10	1	6	66	58	8	31
2	goodpunt	17	9	2	6	74	63	11	29
3	Spack17	17	9	2	6	63	61	2	29
4	Da_Silva	17	9	1	7	68	60	8	28
5	notblox1	17	9	1	7	70	69	1	28
6	MAAManda	17	8	1	8	67	67	0	25
7	VashaUdacha777	17	8	1	8	71	60	11	24
8	vivekdkhyani	17	6	6	5	66	61	5	24
9	arallmuus	17	7	3	7	67	63	4	24
10	LTU_btc	17	7	3	7	58	56	2	24
11	leea-1334	17	8	1	8	64	69	-5	24
12	Hhampuz	17	8	1	8	67	76	-9	24
13	paco92x	17	6	4	7	74	67	7	22
14	Igebotz	17	6	4	7	56	58	-2	22
15	buwaytress	17	7	1	9	60	67	-7	22
16	Ozymandias_DZ	17	6	3	8	64	70	-6	21
17	Dittoup	17	5	4	8	59	69	-10	19
18	B1g4udge	17	5	1	11	51	71	-20	14

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Division 3

•POS•	••Username••••	•PLD•	•W•	•D•	•L•	•SF•	•SA•	•SD•	•PTS•
1	HomieAllDay	17	11	4	2	67	52	15	37
2	imarios	17	10	4	3	71	59	12	34
3	chi20	17	10	3	4	68	57	11	33
4	slackovic	17	11	0	6	67	58	9	33
5	famososMuertos	17	10	1	6	66	57	9	31
6	LFC_Bitcoin	17	9	2	6	58	44	14	27
7	Ochan_yazo_tochant	17	8	2	7	67	62	5	26
8	Kokee44	17	8	2	7	58	54	4	25
9	mitchr4	17	7	4	6	59	59	0	24
10	Smartvirus	17	7	2	8	59	66	-7	23
11	Koal-84	17	7	1	9	52	52	0	22
12	ILuckyGuyI	17	6	4	7	64	68	-4	21
13	ajanwalker	17	5	3	9	61	69	-8	18
14	russeras	17	5	4	8	58	62	-4	17
15	cygan	17	4	5	8	57	64	-7	16
16	hakan2217	17	3	4	10	57	72	-15	13
17	un_rank	17	4	2	11	55	65	-10	12
18	yassinmanai	17	3	3	11	50	74	-24	10

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Division 4

•POS•	••Username••••	•PLD•	•W•	•D•	•L•	•SF•	•SA•	•SD•	•PTS•
1	Heyshbosh	17	10	2	5	74	51	23	32
2	entebah	17	10	2	5	69	56	13	32
3	General_Bitcoin	17	10	1	6	67	65	2	31
4	EarnOnVictor	17	9	3	5	68	58	10	30
5	Bitcoin Smith	17	9	2	6	64	53	11	29
6	Dump3er	17	9	3	5	66	51	15	28
7	ovcijisir	17	9	1	7	62	54	8	28
8	welovebit	17	9	1	7	64	62	2	28
9	Daniel91	17	8	3	6	65	62	3	27
10	pina_pino	17	9	1	7	53	54	-1	27
11	BABY SHOES	17	7	5	5	66	59	7	26
12	xLays	17	8	2	7	65	59	6	26
13	Nheer	17	8	3	6	59	54	5	26
14	jeremypwr	17	8	2	7	59	56	3	24
15	execijutiere	17	7	2	8	53	53	0	23
16	Bitcoin_Budha	17	4	3	10	63	74	-11	15
17	Note3	17	0	0	17	0	48	-48	0
18	knuckey	17	0	0	17	0	48	-48	0

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W - Games Won, L - Games Lost, D - Games Drawn
POS - League Position, SD - Score Difference, SF - Score For
SA - Score Against, PLD - Games Played, PTS - Points Earned


Spreadsheet with your answers can be found here.

We will keep track of all the questions here.

League:

Round 1 questions - deadline Mar 31st, 17:00 GMT (forum time) - CLOSED
Round 2 questions - deadline Apr 7th, 17:00 GMT (forum time) - CLOSED
Round 3 questions - deadline Apr 14th, 17:00 GMT (forum time) - CLOSED
Round 4 questions - deadline Apr 21st, 17:00 GMT (forum time) - CLOSED
Round 5 questions - deadline Apr 28th, 17:00 GMT (forum time) - CLOSED
Round 6 questions - deadline May 5th, 17:00 GMT (forum time) - CLOSED
Round 7 questions - deadline May 19th, 17:00 GMT (forum time) - CLOSED
Round 8 questions - deadline May 26th, 17:00 GMT (forum time) - CLOSED
Round 9 questions - deadline Jun 2nd, 17:00 GMT (forum time) - CLOSED
Round 10 questions - deadline Jun 9th, 17:00 GMT (forum time) - CLOSED
Round 11 questions - deadline Jun 16th, 17:00 GMT (forum time) - CLOSED
Round 12 questions - deadline Jun 30th, 17:00 GMT (forum time) - CLOSED
Round 13 questions - deadline Jul 14th, 17:00 GMT (forum time) - CLOSED
Round 14 questions - deadline Jul 21st, 17:00 GMT (forum time) - CLOSED
Round 15 questions - deadline Jul 28th, 17:00 GMT (forum time) - CLOSED
Round 16 questions - deadline Aug 4th, 17:00 GMT (forum time) - CLOSED
Round 17 questions - deadline Aug 18th, 17:00 GMT (forum time) - CLOSED


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Cup:

Cup Rounds 1&2 questions - deadline May 12th, 17:00 GMT (forum time) - CLOSED
Cup Round 3 questions - deadline Jun 23rd, 17:00 GMT (forum time) - CLOSED
Cup Round 4 questions - deadline Jun 26th, 17:00 GMT (forum time) - CLOSED
Cup quarterfinals questions - deadline Jul 9th, 18:00 GMT (forum time) - CLOSED
Cup semifinals questions - deadline Aug 11th, 17:00 GMT (forum time) - CLOSED
Cup finals/playoffs questions - deadline Aug 25th, 17:00 GMT (forum time) - OPEN

Full Cup draw can be seen here.

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League schedule:

Rounds 1-6 || Rounds 7-12 || Rounds 13-17

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Penalty points and VAR usage

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Rewards distribution

Fuck guys. I was going to add another long pile of dogshit but it doesn't change anything, doesn't help anyone, so instead, I'm going to say: thank you Trofo cryptofrka LFC_Bitcoin and whoever else who has voiced their outrage. To hosemary: I can't think of a more rigid (that's a compliment) user I respect more on this forum, but I think the voicing out has little to do with the decision, but with the way the decision is made, the manner with which dissenting opinion is handled, and the selectiveness of the process.

Whatever the outcome, I think it's best we return to what we can control: and that's reminding everyone why this fucking thread is the best reflection of the spirit of this forum. Respect for each, regardless of standing.

Looking forward to Sunday, so I can kick your beautiful asses to the ground, my gentle friends.

Did you see me saying anything about any other ban except for arallmuus case before this one? I would argue that I am not the one jumping in except in situations where I feel there has been injustice. Unfortunately, since I hate all things of this nature, I only get activated when I feel there is enormous chasm between my opinion and decision made.

I tried sharing evidence and data, at least parts that aren't sensitive. Unfortunately, my trust ratings and being 31st most recognized profile on forum means nothing to the people doing this. In their eyes I am paid by casino...case closed.


Every piece of data we analyzed inside BSFL shows that there was no cheating inside BSFL. Not saying there isn't some but we didn't found anything yet. Even if they are all connected. On the other hand we don't want multiple accounts inside BSFL but according to everything available to us we have a different opinion than the one that is prevalent in meta. Cls63 has a problem that he is too nice guy and doesn't want to throw others under the bus. I am not saying he is without the blame here, I am quite sure he knew about multi accounts before this happened which also carries part of the guilt but I am also quite sure he isn't the same person as the one controlling those multi accounts.

Even on our voting form it says something like, end decision will be ours we are just wanting to see how this community is seeing this situation. Wording is probably different but that is the gist. End decision will be ours, we will not hide behind voting results and say it is out of our hands. But unlike some, I am well aware I can get things wrong and in this case I wanted to know how the community feels. In the end we are doing this for gambling community and its opinion matters to me more than the opinion of meta guys that never stepped here or tried to play with us.

Don't know if you noticed but we are actually saying to all of you every week that mistakes are possible and inviting you all to double check whatever you want. Even going out of our way to preserve all possible data points to make it easier to double check everything. While usual MO on this forum is I am the big guy, I am infallible, screw you. We lost so many good people from BSFL because rules seem complicated at first, and 90% of text there is to hold us accountable and make whole thing transparent. There will be hard calls and screw ups in any endeavors, for me, the measure of any man or business is how he reacts at that points. And a lot of people fall short on that test here on bitcointalk.  

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everyone, sorry for a bit of rant. Double standards and injustice always gets the rise of me. I will try my best to not say anything more about this topic until our final decision. We have reached to some people to help us refute or strengthen some particularly important pieces of evidence and we will make our call after that. Now please let's steer conversation back towards what BSFL is all about and have fun.

Good catch, removed as well.

We've heard the excuse countless times, you are not walking away from this one. You have been caught, stop acting like a toddler and accept the consequences of your actions.

Writing from the mobile so sorry for not properly quoting you guys (@hosemary, @el che), I would lose half a day to structure this one properly. Also, these are my personal thoughts, not me acting as BSFL manager, not sure if even cryptofrka agrees with all of them.

Ipv6 evidence

This is the main piece of evidence and the reason why I actually felt compelled to act and why I thought this vote inside BSFL is a good idea. To feel the pulse of other participants and not act against them. But bear in mind, such evidence was never before shared publicly, why is this case so much more important than all other transgressions with much more serious crimes?

Defending yourself in accusation thread

I really hope either of you will not have to do it in that way one day. Those threads are witch hunts, and everything you write gets twisted and turned against you. This forum has always been full of righteous fuckers just waiting to twist the knife when someone is down. Main reason why I am staying clear of meta and unfortunately that means I am also on backfoot when stepping in the ring since I don't intimately know the currents and alliances that are ruling the meta.

Now add to that a fact that you are living in a country where inflation is so bad, government has to ban Bitcointalk and every other source of info regarding hard assets and you are actually working in public sector on a position where your personal transactions can get checked anytime and any buying/selling of cryptocurrency can get you fired? Would you feel comfortable defending yourself there? And someone asks you to explain tx from 5 years ago when all your crypto transactions ever have been made through a proxy? As we mentioned, we have more evidence then what has been publicly shared and I understand why all of it wasn't public.

You guys think, people are writing in those threads from alt accounts for no reason? For sure newbie with 3 posts has such strong opinions about forum politics.

Red tag weight

Both of you presume that red tags have from DT1 have same weight. I don't agree with this at all, while I can't change how the forum works I can surely think with my own head. Our sigban moderator got into his position recently and he gets paid for it. His own argument about not trusting any of the best posters in the gambling is that we are getting paid by casinos. How it isn't hypocrisy if he gets paid to ban the members? Also, that part is not public, maybe he is actually getting paid by the number of people banned? He stated cleaning gambling section without knowing what a paid pool is, even though he is participating in one. When I try to help and provide hard data I get hit with distrust. When he claims these guys cheated in 40 contest and I ask if he actually checked that and offer 5 years of BSFL data – I get called grossly incompetent without answering any of my questions?  Add to that what was happening with aralmuus case, and where all our inputs got ignored and verdict overturned only when his confidants told him he is wrong... I am actually more inclined to distrust him in my trust list (didn't do that yet) than to trust every decision of his blindly.

Now we are getting to the alfa and omega of the forum, person that hired him. Should we blindly trust everything from that part as well? I have great respect for him for some stuff but he isn't infallible. What about whole fiasco with spending I don't know how much money on the new forum? Where are the invoices? Where is the trail of money? That could be anything from outright scam to incompetence. Where is the money from Bitcoin Cash fork? Fuck, I am paying 0.1mBTC to BSFL escrow for some players and getting owned 6$ for months just to make sure BSFL books are balanced.

Not looking to reopen those discussions but just mentioning as way to show he can be wrong and maybe this last sigban mod appointment is wrong as well. For instance, if I got that job I wouldn't be capable of doing it anywhere except gambling and Croatian local. For me to even try cleaning other boards I would be checking with best profiles on those boards what actual problems were. Getting discarded like all of us were tells me enough about character. I gave benefit of the doubt since some other members I value told good stuff about him but now I am done with that.

And that is precisely why I felt this needed to be put to community vote. And by community, I mean community here, whose opinion I actually value. Not someone from the outside that you can't have honest conversation with, acting on who knows what meta currents. Should I really trust what such person says about someone before what I have seen with my own eyes over the years? For us it would be easiest to just drop all of them from BSFL, we get paid the same, have less work, get into the good books with meta guys, even cls asked us numerous times to drop him and just let it rest. But my gut is telling me it would actually be worse for this community, and this competition integrity.

Appreciate what you both wrote I just don’t like it that we are now talking about it here. Hate it when politics gets mixed with sports both here and in real life. Also didn’t want to write anything like this prior to vote to not influence the outcome. Wanted a genuine feedback from BSFL community. And to hear the voice from lowest to best profiles.

I've been following this closely since it started both here and outside the forum and I felt I needed to put my thoughts down.

First, I feel for cryptofrka and Trofo, you're in a difficult spot, having to make a call on a close friend and someone you've met in real life. I also feel for the rest of the BSFL field who are watching this play out and for CLS63 himself, if he turns out to be innocent and has had to go through all this publicly for nothing.

I want to be upfront that I have no personal relationship with CLS63. I've never spoken to him directly outside of competing against him in BSFL and other community contests. That distance means I don't carry any of the emotional weight this must carry for people who know him personally, for better or worse, it lets me look at this from a fairly detached angle.

I work in cybersecurity and I want to speak specifically to the IPv6 point, because it's the piece that carries the most weight and it's the one CLS63's defense hasn't actually convinced me.

IPv6 address space is enormous, roughly 3.4×10^38 possible addresses, compared to about 4.3 billion for IPv4. Unlike IPv4 where NAT and CGNAT routinely force thousands of unrelated users through a shared public address, IPv6 was specifically designed to give each device its own globally unique address. Most VPN providers reflect this: as pointed out in the related reputation thread with the Mullvad documentation, even on a shared VPN server, users are typically assigned distinct addresses from a pool specifically because the address space is so large that there's no technical need to share.

So for two accounts to show the same exact IPv6 address once on a VPN is already a low probability event. For it to happen repeatedly across multiple separate sessions, across multiple different accounts (not just two, but six), that's not a coincidence compounding linearly, it compounds multiplicatively each time. If we're conservative and say there's even a 1 in 1000 chance of two unrelated users landing on the same IPv6 exit address on a given VPN session (already generous, given the address space), then this happening on repeat occasions across six accounts pushes the odds of innocent coincidence into the realm of statistically negligible. And that's before you layer on the matching ISP shift patterns theymos mentioned, the wallet address overlaps and the near total non overlap in posting hours.

None of that is proof beyond argument on its own but it's the kind of evidence that shifts the burden of proof heavily onto the accused. And so far what's been offered in response hasn't held up, the VPN explanation doesn't account for IPv6 behavior.

I hope CLS63 is able to bring forward whatever evidence clears him and put this to rest, genuinely that's the best outcome for everyone. But if that evidence doesn't materialize or declining to engage with the specific technical points will be considered as a concession.

If it comes to that, I don't think this should be decided by a vote. I say this with respect for how hard this is for you Cro2, but guilt or rule breaking here is a factual question not a sentiment question. It's already being examined with real evidence and a direct statement from the forum admin. A community poll asking "how do people feel" risks substituting turnout and personal loyalty for the strength of the actual case and that's not a good basis for an integrity ruling.

I also don't think it makes sense for CLS63 to be allowed to continue in other pools if he's found to have run alts here. Hosemary made this point well: trust is a property of the person not something that resets per competition. If someone ran multiple accounts to gain an edge in one place, "but he didn't do it in my pool" doesn't resolve the integrity problem, it just narrows the frame to where it's convenient. As a player that logic doesn't reassure me. I have no way of knowing whether I'm at a disadvantage in any pool he's part of if the trust has already been broken once.

I know that sounds harsh and I don't say it happily. But this is a competition that for many of us matters because of its rules and integrity. If that erodes I'd lose interest quickly and I doubt I'm alone in that.

To be clear, if he proves his innocence with real evidence I'll be the first to say so and I'll gladly ship him a bottle of whiskey of his choosing as an apology for doubting him. And I know plenty of people will remain friends with him regardless of the outcome, that's a personal choice and it should be respected either way, it's separate from the question of competition integrity.

My take for what it's worth: any player who can't refute a credible multi accounting accusation shouldn't take part in forum run community competitions going forward or at minimum should face a lengthy suspension, similar to how doping cases are handled in professional sports. That doesn't mean he can't compete in private, informal pools run by people who are fine competing against him. That's everyone's own call to make.

That's my honest read after following this for the past several days. I know this isn't an easy decision for either of you and I don't envy the position you're in.

I dropped my vote already.
I had seen the thread some days back with just a few replies, returning now it is several pages long.

There has been a few cases where a reputable manager here left a tagged user on their campaign. Not sure if they did not agree with the intentions that lead to the tag or they did mot trust the judgement of the user that left it.
I believe there shohld be room for anyone to use their discretion some of the time to interpret the reference of the feedback.

- Jay -

So, fellas - we came to a conclusion regarding BSFL's bad boys.
(for all of you that missed the drama, the link is here)

As you know, we're pretty chill regarding participation. We have members that are redtagged, members that were permanently banned, even members without BTT accounts at all - remains from the SB's chat.
There is basically only one rule - don't be a dick and enroll multiple users in the same competition.

In short, the accounts that seem connected (and in some ways surely are connected) are CLS63 and ILuckyGuyI.
We saw a lot of unpublished stuff from CLS63 that makes us doubt the connection in a way that has been presented.

Basic BSFL exampleswe alone investigated: Season 4, IluckyGuy 1 failed submission, CLS63 0. Season 5: both 1, different rounds. Season 9: 1-0 for IluckyGuy again.

Ultimately what happens here will be our call but we'd like to gauge your feelings as well. BSFL is a community project for a very long time already and we want to see how the community breathes here. Don't portray this as a weakness to make the call, rather as a conversation with people playing. Your opinion matters here.

Let's hear what you guys have to say..and be quick about it, season 10 should start this weekend so we are giving you 24 hours for the vote.

The form is here. Thanks in advance

Noted and done, thanks