Well we’re about to go under 110k so this is not going as planned into a Q4 ‘bull market’

See you in another 4 years I guess.

Ok so I'll rephrase it: they know how and where to fish for merits.

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Autor: LoyceV
Wątek oryginalny: How to lose your Bitcoins with CTRL-C CTRL-V

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Właśnie zobaczyłem kolejną ofiarę na Clipboard Hijacker Malware.

Jak to działa
1. wybierasz adres Bitcoin i naciskasz CTRL-C
2. Malware zmienia adres na adres należący do hakera/oszusta
3. naciskasz CTRL-V i tracisz wysłane pieniądze
Nawet jeśli sprawdzisz część wprowadzonego adresu Bitcoin, istnieje duża szansa, że kilka pierwszych znaków będzie takich samych i nadal nie zauważysz, że adres został zmieniony.

Jak temu zapobiec
1. Nie używaj Windowsa, ale jak oboje wiemy, tego też nie zmienisz.
2. Sprawdź cały adres po skopiowaniu/wklejeniu, a nie tylko pierwsze (lub ostatnie) znaki. Sprawdź też niektóre w środku. To dużo pracy, więc jest szansa, że tego też nie zrobisz.
3 Wymyśliłem coś innego: Nie kopiuj całego adresu Bitcoin, tylko jego część i ostatnie znaki wpisz ręcznie. Nawet jeśli malware zastąpi sam niekompletny adres Bitcoin, twój portfel nie zaakceptuje (nieprawidłowego) adresu, jeśli sam wpisałeś kilka dodatkowych znaków.
Następnie należy wykonać krok 2: sprawdzić adres!
4. Użyj funkcji kopiuj/wklej, aby sprawdzić część adresu. Załóżmy, że chcesz wysłać pieniądze na adres 1PjpEgknyKxQKXtMcYFDym8odkfohFGkui. Po skopiowaniu/wklejeniu wybierz „yKxQKXtMc” z wklejonego adresu, a następnie naciśnij CTRL-C. Następnie użyj CTRL-F, a następnie CTRL-V, aby sprawdzić, czy częściowy adres jest zgodny z oryginalnym źródłem adresu. Upewnij się, że źródło jest autentyczne: e-maile mogą być również sfałszowane!
5. dodaję tutaj sugestię o_e_l_e_o:

Bądź czujny
Sprawdź, sprawdź dwukrotnie i sprawdź trzykrotnie, zanim wyślesz pieniądze!


Proszę nie spamować
Powiedziałem proszę
Usunę nadmiar cytatów.

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That’s the best thing to do to be on the safer side, and even as that, for an exchange, I considered $5k escrow very small, as one person’s single transaction can exceed that limit. What happens if such an amount gets stuck?

No TRX USDT address was posted for such verification; I believe what the users verified was the signature, not the transaction, to show if the USDT was actually sent. Since the address used to sign in the signature is listed here, AB de Royse777 is taking full responsibility and confirming that the USDT was indeed received by him/her.

Autor: LoyceV
Original Thema: How to lose your Bitcoins with CTRL-C CTRL-V

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Ich habe gerade ein weiteres Opfer auf Clipboard Hijacker Malware gesehen.

Wie funktioniert es
1. Du wählst eine Bitcoin-Adresse und drückst CTRL-C.
2. Die Malware ändert die Adresse in eine Adresse, die dem Hacker/Betrüger gehört.
3. Du drückst CTRL-V und verlierst das Geld, welches du gesendet hast.
Selbst wenn du einen Teil der eingefügten Bitcoin-Adresse überprüfst, ist die Wahrscheinlichkeit groß, dass die ersten paar Zeichen gleich sind und du trotzdem nicht bemerkst, dass die Adresse geändert wurde.

Wie kann man das verhindern
1. Verwende kein Windows, aber wie wir beide wissen, wirst du das auch nicht ändern.
2. Kontrolliere die gesamte Adresse nach dem Kopieren/Einfügen und nicht nur die ersten (oder letzten) Zeichen. Prüfe auch einige in der Mitte. Das ist eine Menge Arbeit, also besteht die Möglichkeit, dass du auch das nicht machst.
3. Ich habe mir etwas anderes einfallen lassen: Kopiert nicht die gesamte Bitcoin-Adresse, sondern nur einen Teil davon, und gebt die letzten Zeichen manuell ein. Selbst wenn die Malware die unvollständige Bitcoin-Adresse selbst austauscht, wird deine Wallet die (ungültige) Adresse nicht akzeptieren, wenn du selbst noch ein paar Zeichen eingetippt hast.
Danach ist immer noch Schritt 2 erforderlich: Überprüfe die Adresse!
4. Verwende Kopieren/Einfügen, um einen Teil der Adresse zu überprüfen. Angenommen, du willst Geld an die Adresse 1PjpEgknyKxQKXtMcYFDym8odkfohFGkui senden. Nach dem Kopieren/Einfügen wählst du „yKxQKXtMc“ aus der eingefügten Adresse aus und drückst dann CTRL-C. Verwende dann CTRL-F gefolgt von CTRL-V, um zu sehen, ob die Teiladresse mit der ursprünglichen Quelle der Adresse übereinstimmt. Vergewisser dich, dass die Quelle authentisch ist: Auch E-Mails können gefälscht werden!
5. Ich füge hier den Vorschlag von o_e_l_e_o hinzu:

Bleibt wachsam
Prüft, prüft doppelt und dreifach, bevor ihr Geld sendet!


Bitte keinen Spam
Ich sagte bitte
Ich werde übermäßige Zitate entfernen.

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You're right, its too time consuming to bother reading something all the way through to make sure its "spam," its easier just to put someone on ignore. I just found some of this poster's posts to be exceedingly bad. Then I remembered this thread existed and it might be the best place to mention it.

I wonder what percentage of posts are made by people that know they probably wouldn't even read their own post.

As LoyceV said, there's no need and safety benefit to rush it. To play it safe, you should first sync the full blockchain (a pruned node won't make much sense in your case when you want your device to be offline once it has been synced). Your later offline Core node can resync your wallets in offline mode. To maintain safety your laptop must stay offline after the blockchain has been synced to tip (for you it doesn't matter if the synced chain tip is tomorrow or day after tomorrow or whenever the sync finishes in the next future days).

Let us know when your non-pruned Core node has been fully synced and you have put it offline permanently. Again: it must stay offline as long as there's any wallet file on it and it hasn't been securely wiped completely! This is to maintain the security of your wallets. No online exception allowed or your risk compromising your wallets. It's safer to be more paranoid than less paranoid or even reckless.

You didn't answer to my question if your syncing node on your other laptop is pruned or is not pruned. It's safe for you to answer this here.

BTG is $0.78 on Uphold, and $1.5436 (or 0.00001330 BTC) on HitBTC.   Like you mentioned, I am not sure if it is in other locations.  I am pretty sure that at one point I could have had sold my BTG for around 0.05 BTC...

Your accidental 80x never happened either, just like my "mistake" from a couple of years ago that caused a certain amount of bonus funzies based on my coincidentally being in the right place (a seemingly illiquid exchange) at the right time.


If you had not realized, bots are challenged when it comes to jokes.


If you had not noticed, in bitcoin, surprise price moves can happen to the upside or to the downside.


I am not suggesting that suicide is the right answer, yet sometimes the level of debt could be quite insurmountable, when folks are using leverage they get wiped out and then perhaps they even keep trying to bet it and they get wiped out several times... Guys here have probably gone through some version of loss and/or extreme loss, and maybe they could recognize if one or two other things would have had happened, they would have had been in even a worse situation.. so in that regard, sometimes there can be some paths forward.


In my very early years of bitcoin, there was one or two times, that I sold some bitcoin with the expectation of buying it back cheaper, and even though it should not be any kind of BIG deal, those were actually the most stressful times for me, so largely I stopped doing it.  I concluded that there is no reason to sell bitcoin with an expectation of buying back lower.

At the same time, there are folks who lean towards being able to sleep better in cash and others who sleep better in bitcoin.  Of course, there is a balance in regards to how much in bitcoin and how much in cash, and those who are newer to bitcoin might find it more challenging to get used to being able to sleep by having a certain amount of their value in bitcoin (and being able to "let it ride.").


Your description was better, though.


I think that various aspects of the degeneracy have been happening on the regular Binance, and not on BinanceUS.. even though they are connected, regular Binance has more products - and also over the years, there have been decent amounts of attacks on Binance - including that matters around the FTX fiascos were framed as if Binance had caused and/or contributed to those fiascos, and the story is far from clear in regards to the various overlaps. Many of us likely realize that since around the time of CZ's incarceration, there were agreements that would allow more US government (whether dark government of not) to place its tentacles within various aspects of the Binance apparatus .. so that Binance would not necessarily seem as much of a threat as some of the various decentralized exchanges that are currently in the space and suffered quite a bit in the October 10 crashening.

A couple of days ago Laura Shin interviewed a guy named Diogenes Casares, and he had a lot of decent insight regarding some of the craziness of the October 10 crashening.

You are all Bitcoiers. You are clever by definition!

It was not a joke or a puzzle, but a guess. I postulated that Jay's "0.63 BTC" number may have come about after doing some price data calculations involving e (in a direct, or indirect way), so that's why the value of 0.63. Any one involved in electronics and/or applied math would likely have come across this number, which usually appears as 0.632 (with 3 decimals).

Gemini's quick response:


Jay's recent comment on this suggests that I was wrong though, so my apologies for twisting your brains with my math conundrums.

i thought i had it figured.

them i did an actual check of my theory and.. well, uh no i dont get it either now lol

check digit sequences

I was just adding to the noise 
Perhaps there was no joke. It still eludes you and me both...

Copyleaks and GPTZero show that the content of the first post is 100% AI, while on the other hand ZeroGPT says exactly the opposite. Copyleaks does not detect AI for the second post, but marks the third as 100% AI. Based on these results, it can be concluded that this user is using AI.

Goodmoring,


I didnt understand how to load all the files at once can you show me through a video or image plz? Right now iam synchronising the bitcoin core wallet on my other laptop its taking one week.

or you mean there is other app where i can do that safely? If you dont want to explain i understand Thank you anyway

you casuals. 

I use phi = 1+ Sqrt 5/2 as the measurement tool for my lies about the quantities of my Bitcoin holdings.

It’s good that you’re testing different fee levels manually, experiments like these actually help others understand real-time mempool behavior instead of relying solely on fee estimators. But I think LoyceV’s point still stands: when the mempool is almost empty, even 0.22–0.25 sat/vbyte gets confirmed fairly quickly, so paying 0.8 or 0.9 might just be unnecessary overpayment.

Still, your observation about scaling over time is interesting. As adoption grows and block space becomes more competitive, these “low-fee periods” could become rare. That’s why consolidating small inputs now at around 0.22–0.31 sat/vbyte is a smart move, it prepares your wallet for future high-fee environments.

In the long run, tests like yours give us a practical sense of how dynamic fee markets adjust, especially during periods of low congestion. Thanks for sharing your data points, they add a lot of value for those optimizing transaction strategies.

Not crazy to say now is the right time to buy for long term targets, although bitcoin is expensive right now, but compared to how much it will be in the future, based on forecast and speculation borned out of long term experience, bitcoin will definitely be worth much more than what it is right now,  so buying bitcoub now Is never a bad idea and DCA application is the most needed tools for this regards.

I suspect you are indeed not expected to. I was just muddying the waters a bit, because precise quantities are unbecoming to such fine gentlemen.

Neither do I 

All except some, I seem to recall.


This should be interesting if e ~ [-0.01, -0.005]. If on the contrary, e = exp(1) (positive), then it's the same old boring 0.63 we've been reading about from way back.

just testing downwards

.9 passed
.8 is next

i almost never spend btc it will take time to scale down to

.1 sats

I partly agree with what you say, that is, what the OP needs to do is get well informed before buying bitcoin, just as he would have to do before making any financial investment in general. So, with that information, you should be able to decide for yourself whether to invest the lump sum or do DCA, how you are going to buy it, and how you are going to store it, among other things.

What strikes me is the first sentence. The OP says he is going to hold for the very long term. So, none of us have a crystal ball that shows us the future, but those of us who have bitcoin do so because we firmly believe that in the future, in the very long term, the price will be at least higher than it is now, if not much higher.

Therefore, for someone who wants to HODL for the very long term, I don't think it's crazy to say that now is a good time to buy.

I've never had the problem described by the OP and some other members. Considering that I've been using Tor for a long time, I can say that it's definitely a browser that everyone should use, especially those who care about protecting what little privacy we still have left.

For those who say that Tor is slow and that they have problems logging in because of captcha, I can say that this is not true if you have a fairly good internet speed, and as for captcha, you simply need to use the option in the login window and save your login link without captcha.

Regarding RAM consumption, my personal experience is that with two browsers at the same time, AV+firewall and some other security software, my RAM consumption is around 35%. By the way, a long time ago we discussed RAM and you advised me to add more than the 8 GB I had at the time. I've had 20 GB for a while now and the difference is definitely noticeable.

I always have difficulties when I have to decide which parts of the texts should be kept and which others shouldn't. As a translator who owes respect to the original work I try to keep it intact to all reasonable limits, but in cases like these, I am also in favour of removing the parts that only fit in the original post and that could even lead to confusion.

Well, not the best example because nobody wants spam in any of his/her threads, but even here I would recommend deleting that part.

লেখক: LoyceV
অরিজিনাল টপিক: How to lose your Bitcoins with CTRL-C CTRL-V

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আজকে আমি আরো একজনকে ক্লিপবোর্ড হাইজ্যাকিং ম্যালওয়ারের দ্বারা  ভুক্তভোগী হতে দেখলাম।

এটি কিভাবে কাজ করে
১. যখন আপনি একটি বিটকয়েন এড্রেস সিলেক্ট করেন, এবং CTRL-C প্রেস করে কপি করেন।
২. তখন ম্যালওয়ারটি আপনার ঐ কপি করা এড্রেসটির সাথে হ্যাকার/স্ক্যামারের এড্রেস রিপ্লেস করে দেয়।
৩. এভাবে আপনি আপনার এড্রেস মনে করে CTRL-V চেপে ফান্ড সেন্ড করেন, কিন্তু প্রকৃতপক্ষে সেটা অন্য কোনো এড্রেসে চলে যায়, মাঝখান দিয়ে আপনি ফান্ড হারায় ফেলেন।
এমনকি আপনি যদি পেস্ট করা এড্রেসটির সামনের কিছু অংশ চেকও করেন, সেখানেও দেখবেন আপনার আর হ্যাকারের এড্রেসের কিছু অংশে হুবুহু মিল রয়েছে, এভাবে আপনি টেরও পাবেননা যে আপনার এড্রেসটি চেন্জ হয়ে গেছে।

এটি যেভাবে প্রতিরোধ করবেন
১. Windows এর ব্যবহার ছেড়ে দিন, বাট আপনি আমি দুজনেই জানি এটা আপনার পক্ষে সম্ভব না।
২. এড্রেস কপি/পেস্ট করার পর সম্পূর্নটা চেক করুন, শুধুমাত্র সামনের কয়েকটা ক্যারেকটার না (বা পেছনের গুলো)। মাঝখান থেকেও মিলিয়ে দেখুন। জানি এখানে অনেক খাটাখাটনি হবে, আর আপনারাও হয়তোবা এতোকিছু করতে যাবেননা।
৩. আমার মাথায় আরেকটা উপায় আসছে: সম্পূর্ন বিটকয়েন এড্রেস কপি করার দরকার নেই, কেবল একটি অংশ কপি করুন, এবং শেষের কয়েকটা অক্ষর হাতে ম্যানুয়ালি টাইপ করুন। এভাবে ম্যালওয়ারটি আপনার অসম্পূর্ণ এড্রেসটি এক্সচেঞ্জ করে ফেললেও, আপনার ওয়ালেট সেটি এক্সেপ্ট করবে না (ইনভ্যালিড), কারন এড্রেসের বাকি অংশ আপনি ম্যানুয়ালি টাইপ করেছেন।
এরপরেও আপনাকে ২ নাম্বার ধাপ ফলো করতে হবে: এড্রেস চেক করুন!
৪. কপি/পেস্টের মাধ্যমে আপনার এড্রেসের অংশবিশেষ ভেরিফাই করুন। ধরুন আপনি এই এড্রেসে 1PjpEgknyKxQKXtMcYFDym8odkfohFGkui ফান্ড পাঠাতে চান। কপি/পেস্ট করার পরে, এই অংশটি "yKxQKXtMc" সিলেক্ট করুন পেস্ট করা অংশ থেকে, তারপর CTRL-C তে চাপ দিন। এরপর CTRL-F চাপুন, এবং আবার CTRL-V দিয়ে দেখুন আপনার আংশিক এড্রেসটি সোর্স এড্রেসের সাথে মিলে কিনা। সোর্স যেনো অথেনটিক হয় এটা অবশ্যই নিশ্চিত করে নিবেন, অনেকসময় কিন্তু ইমেইও নকল হতে পারে!
৫. আমি o_e_l_e_o এর সাজেশন এখানে এড করে দিলাম:

সতর্ক থাকুন
এড্রেস চেক করে নিন, দুইবার দেখেন, দরকার হলে তিনবার চেক করে নিন, ফান্ড সেন্ড করার পূর্বে!

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অনুবাদ টি যাদের উদ্যোগে করা হয়েছে:

Weird you're the one who got blamed twice[1-2], when another user is the one who discover possible connection between 2 account.

[1] https://ninjastic.space/post/65911205
[2] https://ninjastic.space/post/65911179

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1. Off-topic/unhelpful since @mrnimbus only ask whether his script is worth/useful for other person and doesn't ask for advice.
2. Mentioning privacy implication when collecting pubkey is rather weird, when Bitcoin blockchain is publicly available for everyone.


For context, the goal is "Visualizing Bitcoin On-Chain Data". This suggestion isn't very helpful, since Bitcoin Core doesn't have address index or other index that can be used to obtain necessary data quickly for data visualization.


1. This thread initial posted on Development & Technical Discussion board. So those general suggestion aren't exactly helpful for those who visit this board.
2. 2FA feature usually available on web wallet, shared custodial wallet or custodial service, where it may pose more security risk or involve 3rd party which may not be desirable for one's security.

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User: [urlhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3718003]Liocen[/url]

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1. This post is unhelpful according to the one who asked question, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5561541.msg65893053#msg65893053.
2. Mentioning derivation path of legacy/P2PKH and nested segwit/P2SH-P2WPKH address when the one who asked question already mentioned all address is native segwit.
3. XPUB comparison doesn't make sense when his previous guidance is importing extended public key rather than BIP39 words/seed.


1. Bitcoin UTXO actually can be spend if the TX provide appropriate ScriptSig. It can be something else other than providing correct signature, such as providing multiple expected signature or creating the TX after certain block height.
2. OP_CHECKTEMPLATEVERIFY, OP_CAT and OP_TXHASH are just bunch of OPCODES. It's not part of covenant itself and have other potential usage.
3. Other issue with this thread already stated by other member on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5561784.msg65900263#msg65900263.

But for these cases, we don't need to create a rule. The forum rules end up considering this action as a penalty.

Look, whoever claims to be an alternative account for LoyceV ^{(LoyceV is our guinea pig)} will have the objective of doing something illegal.

So if you post links that lead to schemes - rule 6, 11.
If you plagiarize you will be penalized.
In addition, the real LoyceV will be able to take action against this imitation.

In the end, anyone who does this ends up suffering the consequences of their actions, because they will have broken many other rules.
No more rules are needed for this.

As for me, if I did something like that, I would put the blame on Gazeta's shoulders.
Because he taught me to translate like that. He is persistent as hell when it comes to translations. He would go sentence by sentence, word by word, even punctuation marks cannot miss his eyes.
I still remember when I missed some colon, semicolon or maybe added full stop twice and he identified it, and asked me to fix it. Basically he wants perfection, a absolute clone of OP's post. LoL

That is true, and someone can actually love the next person username and make account with either similar names but that doesn't mean such person is impersonating or trying to scam others with same username, and of course there are people who coincidentally has similar username and either there could be a slight change by numbers or special characters. However, I am also against anyone who purposely come openly to impersonate someone or claim to be a project owner while such person are not, there should be a penalty for such person so that others could learn from there and stop such acts.

You can't create a post without both titles and content of the post as it won't allow you to post it. Both are essential for it to allow it post, so the system is not configured that way as I have tried to make post without body of the message.
You can have the title but with just a word then the command would allow you to post.

Beside using some sort of AI, he is also shill for some unkown exchange called Cryptomus. He thinks that no one notices that because he is not shilling in every post, but its still pretty obvious.

Speaking of this shitty exchange, another Newbie showed up doing the same thing, but in a more obvious way

Lol yeah of course,I think we all asked ourselves if it was necessary -or not- to translate this small part of the text.
Personally, I found those words very revealing of the "mood" we can find in some of your threads, so I kept it. Sometimes I remove what’s unnecessary to translate; other times I find it fun to keep them.

It used to open in a new tab by default, but @LoyceV evangelized me on the art of "let the user decide".

Same tab = just click
New tab = middle mouse button OR ctrl + click
New window = shift + click

And I think I agree with him.

French translation done:

Comment perdre vos BTC avec CTRL-C CTRL-V

Auteur : LoyceV
Sujet original : How to lose your Bitcoins with CTRL-C CTRL-V

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Je viens de tomber sur une nouvelle victime d'un malware de détournement du presse-papiers (en anglais : "clipboard hijacker malware").

Comment ça marche
1. Vous sélectionnez une adresse Bitcoin et utilisez CTRL-C pour la copier.
2. Le malware modifie l'adresse pour une adresse appartenant au hacker/escroc.
3. Vous faites CTRL-V pour coller l'adresse et perdez donc les fonds que vous envoyez.
Même si vous vérifiez une partie de l'adresse Bitcoin copiée, il y a des chances que les premiers caractères soient les mêmes, et vous ne remarquerez toujours pas que l'adresse a été modifiée.

Comment éviter cela
1. N'utilisez pas Windows, mais nous savons tous les deux que vous n’allez pas changer d'OS.
2. Vérifiez l'adresse entière après avoir copié/collé, et pas seulement les premiers (ou derniers) caractères. Vérifiez aussi quelques caractères au milieu. C'est beaucoup de travail, donc il y a des chances que vous ne le fassiez pas non plus.
3. J'ai trouvé une autre solution : ne copiez pas l'intégralité de l'adresse Bitcoin, copiez seulement une partie et tapez manuellement les derniers caractères. Même si le malware échange l'adresse Bitcoin incomplète par la sienne, votre portefeuille n'acceptera pas l'adresse (invalide) si vous avez tapé quelques caractères supplémentaires vous-même. Vous devrez toujours suivre l'étape 2 après cela : vérifiez l'adresse !
4. Utilisez copier/coller pour vérifier votre adresse. Supposons que vous souhaitez envoyer des fonds à l'adresse 1PjpEgknyKxQKXtMcYFDym8odkfohFGkui. Après avoir copié/collé, selectionnez "yKxQKXtMc" à partir de l'adresse collée, ensuite faites CTRL-C. Ensuite, utilisez CTRL-F suivi par CTRL-V pour voir si l'adresse partielle correspond à la source originale de l'adresse. Aussi, assurez-vous que la source est authentique : les e-mails peuvent également être falsifiés !
5. Je vais ajouter la suggestion de o_e_l_e_o ici :

Restez vigilant
Vérifiez, revérifiez et vérifiez encore trois fois avant d'envoyer des fonds !


Pas de spam s'il vous plait.
J'ai dit s'il vous plait
Je supprimerai les citations execessives.

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IIRC, I wrote it already that OP could benefit to load all wallets with unique names in Bitcoin Core (needs maybe some preperation beforehand) and run a resync from blockchain for all loaded wallets in parallel. I'm pretty sure this is faster than dealing with every wallet one at a time.

But this optimization can be ignored if it's too complicated for newbies or less experienced users.

@Keerook: do you know if your Bitcoin Core node is pruned or has the full unpruned blockchain. The size of the default datadir for Bitcoin Core MacOS version ("~/Library/Application Support/Bitcoin/") should be in the ballpark of ~700GiB for a fully synced and unpruned Core node (don't have real numbers as I'm currently not near any of my full nodes).

As I can't fiddle with my nodes at the moment, I can't remember how to reliably query pruned or not status via command-line. (You can likely easily see it in the settings of your node in the GUI.)

This matters because a resync of a pruned node likely triggers a full re-download of the blockchain, depending from which blockheight the resync should start. If you have no clues, you'd likely start the resync from Genesis block on and then basically every pruned node would start the blockchain download from scratch like an IBD (initial blockchain download).

I work with my node mostly from the command-line and the last time I had to load a foreign or externally created wallet is quite long ago, so I'm not sure if loading a wallet from the GUI triggers automatically a resync from block 0.

And LoyceV is very correct to point out that with such values at stake, nobody should do this with "hot" wallets on an online system. You have to be sure that the system holding the wallets with private keys is safe and free of malware and it stays so. If you don't know if your device is safe, assume it's not safe. Setup a safe device offline and keep it offline. Then proceed as LoyceV already wrote. This of course needs sufficient storage for the full Bitcoin blockchain, likely on an external drive (SSD prefered).

If it was something specific you were doing (like trying to post something) PM Theymos your ray id from cloudflare and he might be able to work out what it was.


I'm surprised people don't wipe their cookies, cache and browsing history by default. I hop sites too often that it slows down my browser tremendously when I don't.

I understand this and it even came to my mind when I was creating this topic.

But we already have rule number 31 which is about impersonation via avatars.
According to rule number 31, if you use your real photo as your avatar, I download that image and use that as my own avatar, I will be banned.

This means that if I use my avatar to claim that I am LoyceV, I will be banned, but if I make a post and say "I am LoyceV", I won't be banned.
Note that I'm not saying my name is LoyceV. I am saying I am alt account of LoyceV.

Just make a text with size 1pt like this or use a dot with white color, or a space as LoyceV did.

You can't publish blank posts presumably because the underlying database field has a NOT NULL constraint.

Another thing is that it could lead to account bans of people who are parodying someone else's username. Last time I checked, there were at least 10 clones of theymos. (Though I am aware that some of those accounts had been used for phishing.) People should not be able to ban others just because they share a similar username.

I just found out about this. Maybe if I knew earlier about this then I would also try to use firefox. And maybe later I will try to install it and start using firefox. 

I use Brave on my phone. And chrome on my desktop. I forgot not to check it on brave. because I rarely open the forum through my phone nowadays. I cleaned my Chrome before, besides chace, cookies and all my browser history, even I also deleted some extensions that I haven't used for a long time. So I don't know which one actually made all this run smoothly again. Or it doesn't even have anything to do with what I did. But it looks like I'm going to change my browser on my desktop now.

But what is certain is that as of now everything is back to normal.

13%  from the top from less than 5 days ago.

A correction for ants.


I agree..

that shitcoin ethereum had gotten down to 0.03201 in bitcoin terms, and it's local top was around 0.04324 BTC in late August... So if it could get back down to 0.02 BTC or even lower, that would be even MOAR better.


Sure.  It is possible.  I would be surprised if we go below $80k, and I am willing to bet.

Anyone? Anyone?


We use bitstamp in these here parts.

So bitstamp did not go below $109,683 for this dip, at least not so far.


Welcome to dee cornz.

This is more than normal.

It is normal as fuck in dee cornz to shake the fuck out of the tree.. and surely some weak hands will get shaken too.


Hahahahahaha.

Reminds me of some folks.  I am not going to name names.


Playing hardball does not always work out well, for either side.


You would think so.

Some of the OG bitcoiners act like newbies.

As if this were the first time we have seen a 13% correction within a day or within a few days.

We have had correction that go 13% and then another 13% and then another 13% and we even have had plenty 25% to 30% or more within a bull market... so it's like some of our recent "stability" has caused some of the OGs to forget some of the nature of king daddy.


Some guys get worried when they buy on the dip, but then the price keeps dipping.

So we cannot always know how low it will dip or when the dip will be over.

A prolonged dip could merely be a short term correction, or it could end up meaning that we have entered into a bear market where the prices are ongoingly going down until a bottom is reached... unless bitcoin happens to be dead, then the bottom is never reached..

Accordingly, we could be entering into a bitcoin death spiral without realizing it.

Perhaps?  Perhaps?


you are under an allusion, and perhaps even delusion, if you are concluding that BTC is correlated to international markets merely because you saw some price movements that seemed to have had been the same for a period of time.  Don't get too comfy with such nonsense thoughts, otherwise you likely will be failing/refusing to appreciate what bitcoin is in reality.

Quality post if I have ever seen one.

😀🤣😂 some excellent points right there

No more "dump before the pump"?

I would hate for the cycle to be over so soon.

I don't buy it.

I will bet you that we get $127k or higher before the end of the year and if not the end of the year before the end of the 1st quarter 2026.

I am not going to lock myself into thinking that the top of the cycle has to happen within this calendar year.

You want to bet?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Also, I will bet you that we will not reach below $80k prior to December 2027  (and we can also use $300k as another way to close such bet before the end of 2027).


I got some at $120k, some at $115.5k, some at $112.2k, some at $108.5k and some at $105.1k..

The last two were an overshoot by that exchange, so then I was supposed to sell the $108.5k and the $105.1k ones at $109k and $112k respectively - however, the price was shooting up to $114k while I was trying to place the sell orders, so I just sold one of them at $114.27k and the other at $114.17k.. .. so now everything is back in order with the next buys at $108.5k-ish and the next sells at $116.5k-ish.. so really 3 orders filled, but two additional orders on one of the exchanges due to an overrun... perhaps a fat thumb?


You better not sell them, then.



Repeat your ongoing dumb.


 



Most pathetic is very subjective.

There are a lot of great things going on in bitcoin, and the 200-WMA is up from $16,126 on October 11, 2021 to $53,662 today.  That is a 3.33x appreciation in the bottom price, which seems quite amazing to this here cat... best investment that has been available for everyone and anyone, as long as such persons have a discretionary income and such person choose to invest rather than trade. 

Of course, having at least a 4-10 year investment timeline is helpful too, and the longer investment timelines have had the benefits of compounding value, especially if we go back even further in the cycles.

Yeah, of course, you are anxious to sell.. but that may well be upon you failing/refusing to take profits along the way and putting too much emphasis of certain tops that you would like to reach with a certain timeline. 

And, we already know that dee cornz is not exactly on a schedule, even though it sometimes might seem like it is on a schedule.


You know better than that.

We had a trump pump that went from $69k-ish to $109k-ish within about 2.5 months.  That was nearly a 60% price increase in a short period of time.

We also had pretty much a move from $27k in October 2023 to $109k in January 2025 - that is right around 4x..

but yeah, maybe we have to go back to the 200-WMA in order to help to calm "ourselves" the fuck down.

No?

You might deserve either a bat slapping, or the treatment from Airplane (the movie).
 

 Who cares?

Gold is a dying relic.

zoom out.

Gold has not done shit in the past 15 years,.. and yeah, maybe it is not fair to measure gold from its earlier 2011 top, and so sure gold is a bit of a go-to asset at the moment.. yet bitcoin is around 1,000x better than gold.. so it may take some time for the market to figure it out.


You sound over invested.


Bitcoin is going up forever, yet at the same time, we have to expect some leveling off..

And, we have to also expect quite a bit of manipulation.

Volatility is not going away, and sure volatility can go in either direction, and sure UP is not guaranteed.


Oh gawd.

 

You do deserve to sell some, even though you seem to have enough sense to not be selling too much at these prices, yet why hang onto so much bitcoin, anyhow.

You likely have plenty of profits.  You could probably sell 10% to 20% and not even be very phased, and you would get rid of some of your overinvestedness.
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Whether you save or you invest with whatever you sell is up to you.  You likely have plenty of bitcoin, so why be greedy, especially if it is upsetting you so much.

You are overinvested.


Sure.  I celebrate.

For the most part, many of us (perhaps royal?) have been having ongoing celebrations since late 2015.  2014 and 2015 were down and flat.. but by time we got to the end of 2015, the BTC price has been pretty much ongoingly  UP since then.

Sure there have been some pauses along the way, but pretty much ongoing up since late 2015 when BTC prices were around $250... now BTC spot prices are right around 449x higher than what they were in late 2015.

Might as well look at the 200-WMA, too.

The 200-WMA was about $240 on October 11, 2015, so right now it is $53,662.  So that is still  right around 223.6x.. So either way, ongoing ATHs seem to be a thing, and yeah, they are still worthy of some level of excitement when they are continuing to happen, and likely not going to stop, either, even though we might experience some pausenings along the way, too.


There is no need for any kind of better bull counter-case, since you are free to do whatever the fuck you want, including taking some off of the table if you were expecting more, then you might not get it.

But then again, many of us already know that there are gloomy periods while bitcoin is performing quite greatly.

I recall a lot of doomer and gloomers throughout 2017 even though BTC prices went up quite greatly in that year, and even the correction did not bring us down to the lows that a lot of folks ( took their profits).

Even though you are a bit whiny, I almost sent you an smerit for laying out the "this is not enough" whiner case,. which is neither new for you or for some of the other whiners who "expected more" from dee cornz... .. but then as I was typing my response, I thought?  Why reward the whiner?

wah, wah, wah.. give me my pacifier.  we have had a so far 13% correction from our top from 5 days ago.. the world is ending, the world is ending... and the top is in... . wah wah wah.   

At times, whining can be a bit contagious.

Seems a bit bearish, but sure, it could happen.

And, if you end up being wrong?  and there is more upside than what you are expecting, then is your bitcoin stash going to still be o.k. ?  meaning that you had not going to have regrets that you sold too much too soon.

And, golly gee whiz, I am nearly ready to propher a bet that you are not correct, especially the bottom.

Right now, I am willing to do a 50/50 bet that we will never see sub $80k ever again (meaning until the end of 2027).. and your bottom seems to be bringing us into the lower $70ks or the upper $60ks.. which seems problematic.

It also seems problematic to have so much of a down without first having a blow off top, and you are ONLY expecting a blow off top in the ballpark of $150k - perhaps with a bit of leeway to allow up to $200k, and imagine if we ONLY get a blow off top of $200k, how are you going to get below $80k or even below $100k with those kinds of whimpy blow off tops... You seem to be expecting blow-off tops for ants.. which there might be something wrong with your thinking if that's all you are perceiving to be likely from my lil precious. 

I understand that we have BIGGER players coming into the scenes and using financial tools to manipulate bitcoin, yet we also cannot be sure that their attempts to manipulate bitcoin might not come flying into their faces.. and then they are stuck trying to figure out which kinds of injustices to perpetuate regarding who will be getting bail outs and who not?  but that does not necessarily mean that we get down without up..


Historically, we have experienced 70% to 90% corrections in bitcoin, yet those level of corrections have tended to have some kind of a blow off top prior to the correction, and perhaps the 2021 blow off top might have had been the smallest with only around 16.5x, if we count from $4,200 in April 2019 to its November 2021 top at $69k.

I understand that even I pick somewhat random numbers as what I consider to be the base starting out price.

For this cycle, I am considering our starting off point to have had been around $27k in October 2023, and so if we use $27k as our starting out point, so far we have ONLY had right around a 4.7x price appreciation (up to our so far top of $126,272).   Personally, I can hardly imagine getting a 70% correction from that so far level of a blow off top, so in some sense, it seems to me that we are needing much more blow-off-toppedness in order to get some kind of a meaningful correction, yet $100k, and even $80k are stil potentially in jeopardy, so I am not really disagreeing with your thesis that sub-$100k becomes much less likely the further above $100k that we get, yet we have to get a whole hell of a lot more distance above $100k before it we can start to rule out the testing of $100k or even sub $100k.. and historically, we have had all kinds of corrections that have been 50% or greater.. so it is probably better that you don't start counting your chickens (from your eggs) too soon in regards to our being safe from going below $100k, until perhaps we get at least to $200k.

Sure, you might be correct.  Maybe we are getting enough of a price cushion above $100k and sub $100k will never be reached, again, yet it just seems way too presumptuous and premature to to be proposing that we are getting safer and safer from having $100k to be tested.

And think about it. 

we don't get to a point in which a 70% no longer touches $100k until we get to $333k, so you also seem to be being too presumptuous if you are saying that we are not going to have anymore 70% (or more) corrections until after we go above $333k.  Can you see how you are just overly wishing when you seem to be writing off sub $100k before the BTC prices at least get into the upper $200ks?

You still might end up being correct, and we never see sub $100k again and/or we don't have $100k tested, yet that seems to be to pie in the sky hopeful, even if I am ongoingly telling people to be preparing for up and not be waiting for down before they buy (and stack up on) BTC.


You seem to think that the solution is to sell in order that you have more money in case the price falls..

Yet if you are merely investing within your income then you just keep investing no matter what, whether the BTC price falls or not.

sure, you could hold back some of your buys, so that you are only buying with half of your income, so if the price goes down, you have some money saved up, yet you might end up saving up way more than you need, and then the price does not end up going down, and so you end up with too much fiat when you should have had been buying bitcoin all along.. which seems to be your issue already, if you had not been buying steady since early 2017, so you still have not figured out your mistake and you keep repeating it by failing/refusing to ongoingly, regularly, persistently, consistently and perhaps even aggressively buy (of course, within your already existing discretionary income, whatever that might be).  Another thing is trying to figure out ways to increase your discretionary income by increasing your income and/or by cutting your expenses, and maybe trying to reach an accumulation rate that is greater than 15% of your income. or some other kind of large number that is also reasonable.

This mostly happens to me when I try to click on my own profile, and last night I tried another user's profile and the same thing happened. I tried again and again, and the same thing happened again.

However, it seems this also has something to do with the browser I'm using. I use Chrome and sometimes Brave. This happened when I was using Chrome. However, after I cleared the cache, cookies, and everything, it hasn't happened again.

But maybe I'll let you know if this happens again.

However, if anyone else experiences the same thing, try clearing your browser. While I don't know what the connection is, it worked for me. The occasional slow loading of forum pages might also be resolved. I now find it smoother when opening this forum.

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Indonesian translations are available at the following link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5561227.0

well does this move force usa to fully back Ukraine?

last I looked we moved to 113k or was it 114k?

 Nope!  Even worse, they've moved to first principles - they're restricting export of the materials used to make the chips for bitcoin mining and urging India to do with same vis-a-vis re-exporting.  Tricky devils!

wat happen, china ban bitcoin?

Correct, now if only someone would tell me where is the party venue. 

I don't celebrate every small ATH change. Do you?

Prayers have already started for Upvember lol.

It doesn't work anymore, I doubt that it could. A small shake of course, but more than that no. They overused the tariff thing to manipulate markets, a few too many flip flop movements..

dead finally? nice!

sooner btc dies again the sooner it will come back again.

Clearly not dead, tick tock next block but to not even 2x from 2021 is weak.

I am very disappointed.

Confirmed.

Everyone, please leave in an orderly manner now.

Yeah but my silver and copper will go up up up

Trade war escalation with China. Tariffs BS again!

A post raving against China being bigly baad, especially with export controls on rare earths, and yuuge anti-China tariffs coming. Wait, I'm fetching a link...

It happened to be a very few times but not in the past few days and it happened while navigating the pages, not just when hitting the post so it can't be something related to some kind of word filter.

If it happens I will switch networks or even a simple refresh resolved it.

Well, it makes sense.
I was asking what OG people do in such a situation. I understand that I will have to make my own decision based on what I think. But opinions from others actually help me understand what I should avoid. I am not planning to sell all my Bitcoin at this moment since I hold a very tiny amount of Bitcoin. I just want to make sure I have some fiat to invest during the bear market, or at least when the market goes down.

I hope this cycle won't end before we reach 150K. So I am not afraid of bearish market at this moment.

Is it safe to let someone look at it via teamview for example or is there any other apps which can be safe?

Better: "Watchlist" and also "Show new replies to your posts."


I have also got that error a few times.
It happened when I was trying to make a long post and had to keep the page open for a long time.

Of course, not a few hours. I may be wrong, but I think keeping the page open for more than 30-40 minutes would be enough for getting that error.

The job of a moderator is not easy - I've been a moderator on other forums and I know what it's like.

However, the moderator should not look at posts individually, but rather at the entire context of the topic. Of course, there are posts that clearly need to be deleted or merged, but others are made in more detail, and the context of the entire topic must be analyzed to see if it makes sense or not.

It bothers me more to browse the forum and see posts/topics with just ".", than to find two posts in a row from the same author that make sense and are from different contexts.

I've already set an example on TalkImg. If the service goes down for maintenance at any point, I want to be free to report it here, regardless of who was the last person to post in the thread. If the service resumes after 3 or 4 hours, I want to be free to come here again to report, without waiting for someone to have posted something before (in fact, why post, if there is nothing to say?). In turn, I would also like this information to serve as a log for the entire community, to understand how long the service was down and when it started and came back. Merging this type of post will break this information. You might say "the forum isn't for that," but I ask: Why isn't it? Isn't it a forum-related service? Even if it weren't a forum-related service, if it's a service designed for the community and heavily supported by the forum, why can't it do this?

As far as i’m concerned, there’s no problem with increasing the number. Since many translators are active, i don’t think it will be an issue. Gazeta made a list showing who’s missing what, which is really a big job , thanks to him for that , it helps us find our way more easily and see who still needs which translations. All in all, i support your idea about raising number of translations ,Porf

Yeah on my 7 or 8 years of posting Difficulty

It has caused issues.

And since the difficulty estimate constantly changes every second I have run into a lot m of issues with it.

Not so much any m ore and the promotions and btc giveaways ended a few years back as mining became commercial vs home oriented.

I think the OP of a topic should never be subject to this type of situation.
If the content is not spam or clearly a forced bump, the OP should have the autonomy to post as many posts in a row as they deem appropriate, even in a period of less than 24 hours.

I think this rule is being looked at very literally, and not based on what it was created for. This rule was created to reduce spam, or to reduce errors from users who respond to others in different posts, instead of in a single post.

Now if at 8am it was important to pass on information about a service or something like that, and then at 2pm it becomes important again to pass on information, the OP wouldn't have to wait for someone to make a post between these two periods, nor would he have to delete the history (which can serve as a log) of what is happening.

Forcing a post in the middle of this period promotes spam more than the OP making 2 posts at different times, about different points.

If post A was merited and Post B is without a merit, then B should be merged to A and not the reverse. Does it even make sense? Is one post merged with another, or does it mean that when posts are merged, both A and B losses their original and then co-exists like Post C.

I don't know if you guys understand me. With what LoyceV discovered, it would be bad for merits given to a quality post be transferred or shared by a low quality post.

I was going to respond with my usual arsenal of "I've done nothing wrong, I don't need privacy" but while thinking about it last night that would be wrong.   My memory is getting poor as I age, and I have no idea if I ever sent somebody a password or code that they may still be using.    Probably better to err on the side of caution and not involve AI.

Is this really a frequent enough issue, that someone has an update to a post within less than 24h of his last post?

And if the last post hasn't received any merits than simply save the content, delete your last post and post a new one with your update appended, clearly marking what has been updated. Should work for the Watchlist, shouldn't it?


You can add some clear markings to help users to identify your new edit/update to the recent post. I do that sometimes, hmm... rarely, with like:

Added! Only three more translations left to reach the minimum threshold

Taking into account the many languages we are covering in AoBT we might think about raising the number of translations to tag topics as finished. What do you think?



Just for the fun of it


Totally. This way, now that you've done the hardest part of the job, you'll leverage that time and effort in more creative tasks like writing articles.



Exactly! that's what happened, I remember now. Ty

I am surprised it had not been noticed before. I suppose the merit system was not taken in to account when posts are merged. It defeats the object of giving merits to a post in the first place if the merits are with the receiver but others cannot see the merits associated with that post. This is something that should be discussed.

As a temporary solution to problem that requires further debate and until a permanent outcome via consensus is agreed, it might be worth considering to make it impossible for moderators to either delete or merged merited posts.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=3558380

If you scroll his merits received it shows you gave 12 to a deleted post

While in fact the post was merged.


It is misleading it makes it look like you do not have good judgement and give merits to posts so bad they get deleted.

Only 0.15% of bitcoin were seen in criminal actions in 2021 according to a research, that is worth a total of $14 billion that year. Stable coins like USDT have been seen in more criminal actions as bitcoin seen there reduced.

If not bitcoin is not existing, money laundering will still be if the same magnitude as it is today. The government only gets bigger to make unnecessary laws. When I studied more about money laundering, I know how the fiat is fucked.

ttr
I HODL mostly...but had a Trezor like 5 years ago or more.....it was empty and would not do the software upload and hung....I contacted Trezor...told them I had an

Alienware Laptop and they said 'high end' laptops of that type had an issue with too much voltage or some such with the usb ports (odd but specific error to high end laptops of the

time I remember he said ) I said where is the fix...he said it two few in number and was not often enough a bug to make a look into a fix so I should just use the Trezor

and re-do it all on a different laptop without the usb issue in that

it was empty. What if it was not empty was never addressed. I HODL anyway ..went back to paper wallets the next day ...hell btc dust is safer IMHO on PayPal or Coinbase

with that attitude...Trezor support aware of this but and not even gonna try to fix the bug? It was told not worth their time....maybe my view is extreme but was btc

dust so a non-issue. Actually, MAYBE by NOT having

a handy Trezor around kept me more in HODL mode anyway....as a habit these last 5 years on btc dust. Cumbersome paper wallets would be helpful in that regard.

Also I figure if Coinbase chokes on my btc dust the btc ecosystem has way more problems. I'll have all my time crying on such a backlash on the large stuff.

The dollar has been under pressure since tricky dick nixon

it is part of the plan of man.

Wow..What a story.
That said, buying a bunch of 30 year bonds in 1980-1981, getting a 17% interest for 30 years, then selling them in 2010 and buying bitcoin would have been one stupendous trade!

Regarding spot price it is not going to happen smoothly, even though it may well average out to be something like 25% or even greater for each of the next years for 10 more years or longer.

But, yeah, even if it goes up 10% per year, it is probably going to be going up better than most other investments and/or assets, even though we have to account for the debasement of the dollar and/or fiat, so we would like our investment to grow at least equal to, if not greater, than whatever the debasement rate of the dollar (and/or whatever fiat we are using as our counter-measurement).


There are still a lot of folks who have difficulties knowing how to calculate outside of their usual denominator (the dollar) in order to make sure that their measuring stick is reflective of real world purchasing power rather than getting distracted (and even deceived) by nominal values.

I was talking to a friend the other day, and I had not spoken with him for a while, yet I had been having a few conversations with him about bitcoin over the years, yet he kept failing to take any actions. ..

And at some point during our conversation, I come to realize that he no longer owned his house..since I had made a comment that at least he had owned his house for the past several years, and then he told me that about 5-ish years ago, he sold his house and he put all of the money in bonds so he could earn interest, and I kind of lost it, and I said, "holy fucking shit," you seem to really not understand what the fuck is going on. .and I felt bad about the whole situation, since he is in his mid-60s, and has hardly no fucking clue about how his money is going to continue to lose purchasing power, and he blamed the whole thing on his wife.. .hard working couple going into retirement and keeping so much of their value in cash or cash equivalents and scared as fuck, even though they are not poor, they are making their situation worse.

I have been thinking that maybe i need to speak with his wife, even though they are both a  kind of lost cause, and they are not dumb people... they are fairly well educated.. but they don't seem to really understand what causes debasement of the dollar.

There are still a lot of folks who have difficulties knowing how to calculate outside of their usual denominator (the dollar) in order to make sure that their measuring stick is reflective of real world purchasing power rather than getting distracted (and even deceived) by nominal values.

I was talking to a friend the other day, and I had not spoken with him for a while, yet I had been having a few conversations with him about bitcoin over the years, yet he kept failing to take any actions. ..

And at some point during our conversation, I come to realize that he no longer owned his house..since I had made a comment that at least he had owned his house for the past several years, and then he told me that about 5-ish years ago, he sold his house and he put all of the money in bonds so he could earn interest, and I kind of lost it, and I said, "holy fucking shit," you seem to really not understand what the fuck is going on. .and I felt bad about the whole situation, since he is in his mid-60s, and has hardly no fucking clue about how his money is going to continue to lose purchasing power, and he blamed the whole thing on his wife.. .hard working couple going into retirement and keeping so much of their value in cash or cash equivalents and scared as fuck, even though they are not poor, they are making their situation worse.

I have been thinking that maybe i need to speak with his wife, even though they are both a  kind of lost cause, and they are not dumb people... they are fairly well educated.. but they don't seem to really understand what causes debasement of the dollar.

Hey Porf!

I don’t know how we didn’t add that translation right away. I also saw that you left a merit, but it wasn’t listed in the "translated" section. No worries, what matters is that it’s added now

And, here’s the translation into Serbian as I promised yesterday: [SER] thread : How to lose your Bitcoins with CTRL-C CTRL-V by   LoyceV

Аутор: LoyceV
Oригинал тема: How to lose your Bitcoins with CTRL-C CTRL-V

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Управо сам видео још једну жртву малвера који мења адресе у клипборду.

Како функционише

1.Означиш Биткоин адресу и притиснеш CTRL-C.
2.Малвер промени адресу у ону која припада хакеру/преваранту.
3.Притиснеш CTRL-V и изгубиш средства која пошаљеш.
Чак и ако провериш део налепљене Биткоин адресе, велике су шансе да су први карактери исти, па нећеш приметити да је адреса промењена..

Како да се заштитиш

1. Не користи Windows, али обоје знамо да то нећеш урадити.
2.Провери целу адресу после копирања и налепљивања, а не само првих неколико (или последњих неколико) карактера. Провери и неке карактере у средини. То јесте напорно, па су велике шансе да ни то нећеш радити.
3.Смислио сам нешто друго: немој копирати целу Биткоин адресу, већ само део, а последњих неколико карактера унеси ручно. Чак и ако малвер замени непотпуну Биткоин адресу својом, твој новчаник неће прихватити (неважећу) адресу ако си ручно унео неколико карактера.
И даље мораш да пратииш корак 2 после овога: провери адресу!
4.Користи копирање/налепљивање да потврдиш део своје адресе. Рецимо да желиш да пошаљеш средства на адресу 1PjpEgknyKxQKXtMcYFDym8odkfohFGkui. Након што је копираш и налепиш, означи „yKxQKXtMc“ из налепљене адресе, затим притисни CTRL-C. Онда користи CTRL-F, па CTRL-V да видиш да ли се тај део адресе поклапа са оригиналним извором адресе. И обавезно се увери да је извор аутентичан: имејл може бити лажиран!
5.Додаћу предлог корисника o_e_l_e_o

Остани опрезан
Провери, провери поново и провери трећи пут пре него што пошаљеш средства!

Без спама, молим
Рекао сам молим
Уклонићу прекомерне цитате.

Got it now 

was thinking about CMs but they can just count  from block-to-block

And someone still want to dump bitcoin for fiat

Why wait until $150k?  That is ONLY around 18% higher than right now.  Does not seem like much of a difference in price in order to be excited about.

You selling all of your 0.00025943 corns?  or merely a fraction?

Are you selling in oder to buy back cheaper or merely to shave off some "profits?"


That is unrealistic and a fantasy.  Why not choose a less extreme example?


I agree with your characterization that all times are the best time to get into bitcoin, and so if we do not have any bitcoin, then we have to get started.

We cannot go back in time, and we can ONLY start accumulating BTC from today, yet we can still use history as our means to learn that it is best to get started as soon as possible rather than fucking around waiting, when that may well ONLY result in regrets.


Don't be a stranger, sirazimuth!!!!!!!     

Selling should be based on need, not price.

I'm planning to sell, not BUY! 

I've just added both translations katanic97. It's strange because I see that I merited the second long time ago but I didn't add it, maybe because it still was a work on project back then?




Thank you guys!! added too.

Sorry r_victory, you deserve it but this is "first come first served", and the merit for Adiljutt156 was the last one I had left, but I'm writing it down and the next will be for you

trezors and seeds are good.

Original: How to lose your Bitcoins with CTRL-C CTRL-V
Autor: LoyceV

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Acabei de ver outra vítima de malware sequestrador de área de transferência.

Como funciona

1. Você seleciona um endereço de Bitcoin e pressiona CTRL-C.
2. O malware altera o endereço para um endereço de propriedade do hacker/golpista.
3. Você pressiona CTRL-V e perde todos os fundos enviados.

Mesmo que você verifique parte do endereço de Bitcoin colado, é provável que os primeiros caracteres sejam os mesmos e você ainda não notará que o endereço foi alterado.

Como evitar isso

1. Não use Windows, mas nós dois sabemos que você não vai mudar isso.
2. Verifique o endereço inteiro após copiar/colar, e não apenas os primeiros (ou últimos) caracteres. Verifique também alguns no meio. Isso dá muito trabalho, então é provável que você também não faça isso.
3. Pensei em outra coisa: não copie o endereço Bitcoin inteiro, copie apenas uma parte e digite manualmente os últimos caracteres. Mesmo que o malware troque o endereço Bitcoin incompleto pelo seu próprio, sua carteira não aceitará o endereço (inválido) se você tiver digitado mais alguns caracteres.
Você ainda precisará seguir o Passo 2 depois disso: verificar o endereço!
4. Use copiar/colar para verificar parte do seu endereço. Suponha que você queira enviar fundos para o endereço 1PjpEgknyKxQKXtMcYFDym8odkfohFGkui. Após copiar/colar, selecione "yKxQKXtMc" no endereço colado e pressione CTRL-C. Em seguida, use CTRL-F seguido de CTRL-V para verificar se o endereço parcial corresponde à fonte original. E certifique-se de que a fonte seja autêntica: e-mails também podem ser falsificados!
5. Vou adicionar a sugestão de o_e_l_e_o aqui:

Fique atento

Verifique, verifique duas vezes e verifique três vezes antes de enviar fundos!

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I will only sell when I really need to because I learned a long time ago that being your own bank is a great advantage, not a disadvantage, as at least 95% of people in the world apparently think.

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It never occurred to me to use clouds, emails or similar things to store my backups - most of my coins are on air-gapped wallets with the seed/s and passphrase/s separated in different locations.

He should sell it all and see if he is the new mindrust. Or if he was smart

Frankly I would not sell any large amount/percentage of my coin right now.

He should definitely own some Bitcoin still because his activities and contribution in the forum suggest that he is still in the game. As for the Foxpup, it seems it is not only merit they are cycling but they also have a lot of Bitcoin to go round the privileged members.

Well, you are one of the OG, and I want to believe you still have a couple of Bitcoin.
Even if you didn't had, it wouldn't be hard for you to accumulate since you are one of the Foxpup gang member 
You know what I mean 

You surely have an advantage over folks who don't know about bitcoin, even if you seem to have had been making mistakes in the past and not recognizing the importance in accumulating bitcoin.

Perhaps you are able to correct your ways of thinking, and at some point start to think about bitcoin differently, since many of us likely recognize and appreciate that any and all people who have discretionary income can be advantaged by accumulating bitcoin in a focused way for perhaps one or two cycles or more, and surely the amount of discretionary income that a person has and also the amount that they are able to prioritize bitcoin investing and/or perhaps front load their investment, then they can get to a status where it becomes reasonable to spend their bitcoin.

Of course, I am not against spend and replace, and I also recognize that guys who earn income in bitcoin might be more forced to sell some of their bitcoin to cover their regular expenses, so calculations might be somewhat different for guys who are earning in bitcoin or maybe engaged in activities where they are spending and replacing bitcoin, yet at the same time, we seem to be in the midst of perhaps the largest peaceful wealth transfer known to mankind from the no coiners and low coiners and over to the coiners, so each of us who has coins or obtains coins are likely going to benefit more directly from such wealth transfer as contrasted to those who either do not have coins or are lackadaisical in regards to how many coins they choose to have (especially when they have way fewer coins than what they could have had).  In the end, its totally up to you to figure out how much importance you want to place on bitcoin accumulation to attempt to do it sooner rather than later.


Of course, you can do whatever you like, yet personally, I don't recommend selling any bitcoin until you reach overaccumulation status, even if you perceive the BTC price to be high.  If you have not been spending the past-ish years accumulating bitcoin, then you better get started.

You may or may not be able to get bitcoin cheaper than today's prices, and since you don't know it is best to be accumulating bitcoin through buying in a way that is persistent, consistent, regular, ongoing and perhaps even aggressive.. it can take 4-10 years or longer to really accumulate a decently good sized bitcoin stash..

Let's say that in the past 8-ish years, you had an income that had largely been between $30k and $50k per year, and you had largely been investing around $100 per week into bitcoin, so then you would have had invested right around $42k and you would have had accumulated right around 4.3 BTC.   If your goal was to be able to live off of your investment and to have right around an $80k per year income, you would still be in the process of building up your bitcoin to that goal.

From my perspective, right now 4.3 BTC  would merely be capable of generating a sustainable income of about $23k per year, it also seems to me that whether you continued to add to that stash or not, by 2028, if your BTC stash were to be anywhere between 4.3 and 5 BTC, you would be in a position to be able to sustainably (meaning forever and ever) generate an income of at least $80k per year.. .including with annual increases in your income of 7%.    I think that would be a good place to build towards, yet each person creates and builds towards his own goals.


We have not had a whole hell of a lot of blow off UP, yet our corrections have not been very great either.  Ever since about October 2023, we probably have only had 1 or 2 corrections that might have gotten into the mid-20% territory or greater, with the correction from $109k to $74k being right about 30%.   Other corrections have largely been in the 5% to 15% territory, and surely nothing to write home about if they cannot at least get to double digits (not that I am rooting for down).. I surely would prefer to keep grinding up, and I expect that at some point the amount of up is going to "be allowed" to run a bit more (not that bears really have a choice).

I bet what is going on is that the bearwhales are reading your posts, and they are purposefully slowing down our move to $150k, just to fuck with you, LFC... Since from reading your posts, they surely would know which OG bullwhale to fuck with... hahahahahaha.. wouldn't have had imagined that having right around 7x entry level fuck you status would have had put you at bullwhale status... by the way, it could be the case that you ONLY have around 5x entry-level fuck you status if you might have had been selling a wee bit more cornz along the way without saying anything... .. yet either way.. it is not a bad place to be...and yeah, no need to confirm or deny, since we have a decently wide range of variables that affect how we might choose to deal with our coins.


I think that it makes a pretty big difference if you are merely selling some bitcoin from time to time, and accounting for your having enough or more than enough so you are merely reallocating into other assets or just making sure that you are not overly weighted in bitcoin.  

It seems that part of the problem that Loyce is highlighting is that his goal in selling the coins was to buy them back at a lower price, which frequently I consider that to be the wrong mindset for anyone who is still early in his bitcoin journey and still building up his bitcoin stash, so  in those circumstances, his goal would be to continue to increase the bitcoin quantity.

One of the problems in our early years in bitcoin we might not be sure exactly what we are accumulating or even consider that bitcoin's value proposition is so great that if we are not in it at the right time or when it does a staircase step upwards, then we are in a worse position because we lost our focus on accumulating..

Another thing that selling does is that it puts us into a waiting mindset, and so we are waiting around for the BTC price to go down rather than ongoingly buying, so we end up with fewer coins both because we sold too much too early expecting to be able to buy them back, and also we compound our problem by failing/refusing to continue to buy because we have it in our head that the BTC price has to come back down sooner or later, yet there are times in bitcoin's history when it never comes back down again... so then by the time we figure out that the BTC price is not coming back down, it may well be 30% to 60% higher, and we are still having a dilemma about whether or not we should buy some more.  A lot of guys go through such issue in bitcoin, so it is likely not even a matter of smart or dumb, but just getting caught up in our own attempts to figure things out, when we likely would be better off just buying at any price for a decently long period of time before we start to think about prices and the extent to which our holdings are in profits or not.

Don't get me wrong, there still could be ways to ongoingly, consistently, persistently, regularly and even aggressively buy bitcoin while at the same time playing around with trying to buy more on dips or having systems of holding a certain amount of the buy authorized for dips that may or may not end up happening.


Frequently for newbies, it is way better to stop thinking about bitcoin as a trade but instead a lifetime investment, and so therefore just keep buying regularly for at least 4-10 years or longer... but hey, whatever.   You do you.


Ongoing buying helps that, especially for newbies... yet figuring out the amount to buy might well be another story.. $100 per week?  $10 per week? or some other amount that is reasonably within your budget and of course within your discretionary funds.


I think that right now, as I type this post, bitcoin's addressable market is close to $1 quadrillion in today's dollars (that is about a 500x), and of course, by the time bitcoin gets to $1 quadrillion in its market cap, the addressable market may well become $10 quadrillion (in real terms, rather than today's dollars) based on the ongoing debasement of the dollar.

In regards to addressable market, I am partially referring to some of the work of Jesse Meyers

https://www.onceinaspecies.com/p/bitcoins-full-potential-valuation

Coming from the context above, if I actually have nothing to say and yet I want to show it that I have nothing to say, rather than ignoring the thread. The best could be typing "I have nothing to say".

Publishing an empty post could be misinterpreted by people. It could mean that the Op of that thread is a no brainer. It could also mean that the poster of the empty post has ran out of ideas. It could as be percieved as mistake from the empty post publisher.

I wonder how people create a problem that does not exist, and then try solving the problem. Op, you tried in this one

This is my translation into Croatian [CRO] Topic: How to lose your Bitcoins with CTRL-C CTRL-V by: LoyceV
Tomorrow i will finish the translation into Serbian.
Porf, when you add the translation, also include this [CRO] i did this translation back on April 30th, but it wasn’t added - Topic: Everything you wanted to know about BTC options but were afraid to ask! by fillippone. I’ll start translating that topic into Serbian soon

Autor: LoyceV

Original tema: How to lose your Bitcoins with CTRL-C CTRL-V

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Upravo sam video jos jednu zrtvu malvera koji menja adrese u clipboard-u.

Kako funkcionise
1. Oznacis Bitcoin adresu i pritisneš CTRL-C.
2. Malver promeni adresu u onu koja pripada hakeru/prevarantu.
3. Pritisneš CTRL-V i izgubis sredstva koja pošaljes.
Cak i ako proveris deo paste-ovane Bitcoin adrese, velike su sanse da su prvi karakteri isti, pa neces primetiti da je adresa promenjena.

Kako da se zastitis
1. Ne koristi Windows, ali oboje znamo da to neces uraditi.
2. Proveri celu adresu posle kopiranja i paste-ovanja, a ne samo prvih nekoliko (ili poslednjih nekoliko) karaktera. Proveri i neke karaktere u sredini. To jeste naporno, pa su velike sanse da ni to neceš raditi.
3. Smislio sam nesto drugo: nemoj kopirati celu Bitcoin adresu, vec samo deo, a poslednjih nekoliko karaktera unesi ručno. Cak i ako malver zameni nepotpunu Bitcoin adresu svojom, tvoj novcanik nece prihvatiti (nevazecu) adresu ako si rucno uneo nekoliko karaktera.
I dalje moras da pratis korak 2 posle ovoga: proveri adresu!
4. Koristi kopiranje/paste-ovanje da potvrdis deo svoje adrese. Recimo da zelis da pošaljes sredstva na adresu 1PjpEgknyKxQKXtMcYFDym8odkfohFGkui. Nakon sto je kopiras i zalepis, oznaci „yKxQKXtMc“ iz paste-ovane adrese, zatim pritisni CTRL-C. Onda koristi CTRL-F, pa CTRL-V da vidis da li se taj deo adrese poklapa sa originalnim izvorom adrese. I obavezno se uveri da je izvor autentican: email moze biti laziran!
5. Dodacu predlog korisnika o_e_l_e_o

Ostani oprezan
Proveri, proveri ponovo i proveri treci put pre nego sto posaljes sredstva!


Bez spama, molim
Rekao sam molim
Uklonicu prekomerne citate.

  This reminds me of a statement that a person wearing a mask in a public place where everybody faces are opened
Would be more suspicious than one that them wearing nothing on their face.


Even centralized exchanges can also be used as a form of mixer.
I found it shocking that most popular mixers were centralized
And people had to trust them to keep their log private or unsaved.
Which usually from seized mixers they don't. Well I believe it could be a way the government are trying to reduce confidence in using mixers

This issue is mainly caused by the difference in derivation path
Although you said that “all addresses are native SegWit”, Mycelium and Electrum sometimes use different derivation paths.
The default path for native SegWit (bech32) in Electrum is:
But Mycelium in some versions (especially older or multi-account versions) can use any of the following paths:
m/44’/0’/0’ → legacy (1… address)
m/49’/0’/0’ → nested SegWit (3… address)
m/84’/0’/0’ → native SegWit (bc1… address)

Or a custom path if you have created multiple accounts. For example When you import a seed into Electrum, it only scans addresses on one path. So even though transactions from 2020 are visible, if new receive addresses from 2025 are created on a different path, Electrum will not scan them.
Possible solution to the problem:
By checking the derivation path in Mycelium:
Go to the “Accounts” section in Mycelium and tap on your active account.
If you go to “Account Info” or “Export” → “Show XPUB”, you will see the Extended Public Key (xpub/zpub).
Copy that zpub.
Create a new wallet with a custom derivation path in Electrum
Open Electrum → File → New/Restore
“Standard wallet” → “I already have a seed” → enter your seed → “Options” → check “BIP39 seed”
Then enter the Mycelium path in “Derivation path” (e.g. m/84’/0’/1’ etc., multiple attempts may be required)
After the wallet is created, check if the missing balance is visible.
XPUB comparison:
Go to Electrum’s “Wallet → Information” and check xpub/zpub, and match it with Mycelium’s.
If different → you are using the wrong derivation path.

You have decided to increase the gap limit, but it will only take effect if the derivation path is correct.

It will be less painful if you did this and still have some Bitcoin now, you won't feel much but will just see it as part of the process. Those sells are not entirely mistakes because buying and selling is what Bitcoin should do and those transactions makes the network stronger.

However, it would have been terribly bad if you sold those Bitcoin and don't have anyone now. The regrets would have been intense and renewed anytime Bitcoin creates a new ATH . There were times I also sold some of my Bitcoins for reasons I don't know but then it was part of the business and what is most important is never to run out of Bitcoin.

But this involves more than just operating an own Electrum server.

I have and use also my own Electrum server (Fulcrum) for multiple reasons.

• high priority: I don't want other Electrum servers to get to know all the addresses my SPV wallet currently uses.
  An Electrum style wallet has to ask the Electrum server to provide the history of all addresses currently in use in the wallet. It also has to subscribe for new transactions to every used address in the wallet. This is why an Electrum server can easily aggregate and attribute a bunch of address to a single wallet. It can't yet attribute these details to a certain person because of pseudo-anonymity of public addresses.
• high priority: I'm too lazy to change my IP address or Tor exit node when I change to another wallet. If I keep my IP address and use multiple Electrum wallets then a foreign Electrum server could aggregate those to possibly a single entity (though, not a strong conclusion, because multiple enities can be behind a single (NAT) IP address).
• medium priority: I can tweak parameters of my Electrum server myself to accomodate for queries when I try to do some blockchain forensics or am simply curious what happens on the blockchain. Hate to observe the responce "Error: address history too large..." or similar.
• low priority: I like to tinker and experience crypto technology myself (local Lightning node, local mempool.space and more local stuff).

As I said and LoyceV mentioned, to detach your identity from your public addresses involves a lot more care and privacy conciousness. E.g. if you want to create a new ("more private") wallet, you shouldn't consolidate and send all your coins in one transaction to your new wallet destination address. This would expose that all UTXOs were controlled by a single entity which very likely is also the owner of the destination address when there's only one transaction output and no change output.

It's not strong evidence for a single enitity but pretty strong heuristics.

When I encountered this particular problem the most was when I was using mycellium in my newbie days and you know how it feels when you discover some bitcoins are missing and you didn't spend any. Ever since then I just settled for Electrum standard seed since they save you the stress most of the time.

Most wallet prefer to settle for the first derivation path they find as they scan and sync so increasing the gap limit sometimes still will not help.

if we can meet up somewhere iam willing to pay the costs and reward you ofcouse think about it and let me know

You don't even have to have a physical card, it's enough to add a virtual card to your mobile wallet and have NFC turned on when you hold your smartphone to the POS device. I assume that the EURO stablecoin in question is some kind of competition with the digital euro that is increasingly being talked about as an effort by the EU to compete with large card companies such as Visa/Mastercard.

It has been several years since the ECB, under the leadership of Christine Lagarde, has taken a harsh stance towards stablecoins (especially US-based ones), and all that we have been reading about lately is clearly a sign that the ECB wants something that it can control.

Electrum will asked for the script type and the derivation path before you can proceed. LoyceV chose the right one which is also the default. That is the reason he saw some transactions history there.

Maybe some transactions there on Mycelium are P2TR but which Electrum does not yet support.

I thought this is a bug mycellium should have fixed a long time ago but trust me it is the reason why I stopped using mycellium. Two things could be the issue, one case is improper syncing where some coins go missing and second is derivation path problems.
First  ill suggest you import those keys to Electrum or blue wallet and see if you get all your coins and addresses loaded up because sometimes in the past when I tried it worked on the go.

You're right, I should've have focused on more precise wording. I know that scams are not moderated. If he reports he should emphasize the report that it's an unsolicited PM he has not asked for.

Understand that totally.

I must have overseen his location or didn't process it any further (it likely didn't pass my very-short-term memory boundary).

Add another his post with AI still appear

app.gptzero.me : 100%
undetectable.ai : 74%
Sapling.ai Fake :  100.0%
stealthwriter.ai : 100%

app.gptzero.me : 96%
undetectable.ai : 78%
Sapling.ai Fake :  100.0%
stealthwriter.ai : 100%

Fungibility isn't a state of mind when you can get "scammed" by buying tainted coins.


Hyperliquid just locking accounts and saying "tough luck" is a serious issue. It would be one thing to just send the funds back to the user and another thing to require further verification. But, it sounds like they just freeze funds and keep them essentially, which I would classify as a scam.

 It's not everyone that can find meaning in silence especially in a space like this, so it's important to speak and share your thoughts so that the next person can be able to understand better. If it were a physical space, I believe that not everyone is mandated to speak but those who know them better can understand.
For those of us who can't understand the mechanics of posting without saying a word would regard @LoyceV and @Ertil as wizards